Perhaps a change of tune would do us well

[mbc]

Concept: People conjured euphoria in order to sell merchandice for the "year 2000 (Y2K)," an unreasonable foundation for a common date. The "2000" celebration was playing with our familiarity of base ten numbers. I enjoyed the music on the "Millenium Eve" disk by Paul Oakenfold. I celebrated the "New Year" and even considered, foolishly, of turning off the circut breaker in the house we celebrated in as a practical joke. The emotions that we experienced were unreasonable. I am not the first to think this, but perhaps a shift towards reason would be better for electronic music. A Spring Equinox compilation would be a superior product compared to a January 1st compilation. There are many things that are problematic that we may work to solve. Perhaps focusing oncommunity rather than the individual would be benificial for music.

End of first post.

Second post:
Topic: Drugs
Question: If I do not demand drugs, who will?
Reason for this question: I work on nightcrew and there was a group that seemed to be playing with crack. I am unsure if they were crack users or if they were trying to test others around to determine if one was a crack user. I do not want to do crack, who will? I do not want people to consume such substances, not when they are made from chemicals that are advised to not be consumed. I may have consumed crack when a group offered me "pot" in the form of a blunt. My emotions were amplified beyond their increased levels; an increased level of emotion probably due to the increase of endorfins from repetitive excercises in Cross Country and Track. Also, we were* guarded against threats such as contaminated water, famine, illnesses and injuries because there were many people around that supported us, so we were more energetic than prior commoners. By what means may we facilitate a transition back to more acceptable substances?

* Edit: previously I wrote "were not," but we were guarded.

Developing concept: Our defences against nature become more effective as we encounter difficulties with toxins. Many people experiment with chemicals that are advised not to be taken. Rather than high-stimulus concoctions, perhaps we should build our defenses against nature.

Methodology in question

Mushrooms, marijuana, cocoa leaves and such:
mode: small portions
addiction: moderate
method: increase amounts slowly to a tolerable amount and then back to homeostasis. Avoid excessive amounts.
mood: cooperate with people, communal. Be cautious of concentrated gatherings, and helpful to those who do take part in them (I do not know Woodstock well, but such events are what I perceive as a large gathering).
medium: cooking (cautious about overheating hemp oil, the effects are negligable and it has the smell that some enjoy), baking, putting a leaf inside the mouth.
Record progress in a journal for greater consistancy.

Are there other suggestions for the second topic?

Additional topic for your pleasure:
Dichotomous (Philosophy of Plato): One can be wise or ignorant, bold or cowardly, moderate or immoderate. Knowledge comes from another realm. One can draw a triangle, but it is not the blueprint for the triangle. One can deduce the drawing to be a "triange" but it is not "the triangle."

Trichotomous (The philosophy of Aristotle): One must find the "golden mean." One must find moderation in the three categories; one can be too wise or too ignorant, too bold or too cowardly, too moderate or too immoderate.

Perfect: Words, symbols that we use that denote concepts have not generated perfect. Perhaps we need to get back to our human principles and increase one of our guides: perfectability. May we be cautious of our imperfections, and work towards survival.
Another influential student of Plato's was Euclid. His book the Elements was the second most sold book behind the bible up until the 18th century I believe. He was a mathematical encyclopediest, contributing to our comprehension of Geometry.

These three are human. There is no need to overemphasize a person.

DURMAK ADAMAKILLI (I am trying to say: "Be well" in Turkish)

mbc

[+XxTerminusxX+]

::Cracks knuckles::

This will officially be the first time I have cracked open a ref book to answer a web forum... Can't wait to get home!

[Tertyl]

who/what/when/why...and then there was how. 4 w's and a h.

i've read your post through about 3 times now and i'm still not sure what it is that you are trying to postulate.

are you speaking on society?
or
your reality?

just
what
is
it
all
about?

music?drugs?perception?

too many questions...

first off, there is always a song for every mood. who's mood? my moods differ from yours so my choice isn't your choice. you say potato and i say potahto. don't worry, this will tie in down belo----\/

drugs is drugs. escapism at it's finest. do drugs, watch tv, read a book, talk to a wall, walk your dog, ride your bike, go to the gym. it's really all the same thing when we break it down, something to occupy the current now. distraction. LOOKATTHESHINNYOBJECT. the most fun i had last second was watching the hand move to the next second. Edward Lorenz said life is changed by the flap of a seagulls wings. how many seconds does it take for that change? see now we've moved from drugs to chaos theory. kinda funny how you were just distracted, eh ;) ?

there is a way to cut out the middleman (drugs) to reach a place blissful harmony. i don't think it is anything you or i could come up with because this would require a huge change or shift the pardigm of human thought. Star Trek has it right. So did Robert Nesta. we are of one world, one people, yet we still cannot all get along. someone is always positioning for control over you or me. but then we need those rules in place to provide order. chaos rule would amount to nothing. so the order, this rigidness required for rules and regulations, how are we all going to be able to find a way that we can all agree???

MATH!!! oh glorious math. not only can you tell me that 1+1=2, but you can show me how we (quote from CP Snow) come from an argumentative society. but regardless of what tongue you speak, a 1 is always a(n) one. you draw the triangle, but it's not a triangle-it's a circle. that would be the Dichotomy of our argument. but why argue? was it choice? and then enters the axiom of choice!

so then it all boils down to this...choice. what song to put on...

cee, it's a sircle.

[mbc]

There is additional discussion that may better life. The discussion is on a website called Philosophy Forums. The website address is http://forums.philosophyforums.com/ (are periods put after a website address?) (End of sentence) Click on the Philosophy of Language (underlined) Forum, and then click on the topic Definition of a Principle (Underlined or perhaps Italicized). Thank you for your replies.

Be well,

Matthew Curry

[corbettfields]

how many points is pretentious jibber jabber on a scarbble board?

[namagem]

wow

[U812A]

Originally posted by corbettfields
how many points is pretentious jibber jabber on a scarbble board?

Nil points. Cuz it's not one word. You could probably get a lot of points for "pretentious," though, if you hit some "triple word scores" and shit. I would certainly give whoever started this thread a lot of points for "pretentious"...

[Elroy]

It seems that the first topic is fairly unrelated to the second... please clarify the correlation.

Also, most of the writing doesn't make sense. Are you perhaps going through some sort of psychosis? I ask this out of genuine concern. It seems as though you are thinking to fast to bother to connect your thoughts completely... trust me, I know what it is like. I'll focus on the second because the first is mostly reasonable (though random).

Reason for this question: I work on nightcrew and there was a group that seemed to be playing with crack. I am unsure if they were crack users or if they were trying to test others around to determine if one was a crack user. I do not want to do crack, who will?

People who like an endorphine rush for a few minutes. Is this a legitimate question?

I do not want people to consume such substances, not when they are made from chemicals that are advised to not be consumed.

When you say that, who is doing the advising? Doctors? FYI, doctors don't advise taking any of that stuff. There are mushrooms that'll kill you in a half an hour... just because something grows in nature doesn't make it good for you.

I may have consumed crack when a group offered me "pot" in the form of a blunt. My emotions were amplified beyond their increased levels; an increased level of emotion probably due to the increase of endorfins from repetitive excercises in Cross Country and Track. Also, we were* guarded against threats such as contaminated water, famine, illnesses and injuries because there were many people around that supported us, so we were more energetic than prior commoners.

Are you saying you didn't enjoy crack because you are too healthy? Then in the second sentence (the one in bold) are you saying that people in general are more energetic these days because they have a tolerance to things that occur in 'nature?' I'm not really buying that -- people used to get a lot of excercise back in the day and were exposed to a lot less of the toxins that are in foods, air etc. today.

By what means may we facilitate a transition back to more acceptable substances?

That really depends on what you consider acceptable.

Developing concept: Our defences against nature become more effective as we encounter difficulties with toxins. Many people experiment with chemicals that are advised not to be taken. Rather than high-stimulus concoctions, perhaps we should build our defenses against nature.

Methodology in question

Mushrooms, marijuana, cocoa leaves and such:
mode: small portions
addiction: moderate
method: increase amounts slowly to a tolerable amount and then back to homeostasis. Avoid excessive amounts.
mood: cooperate with people, communal. Be cautious of concentrated gatherings, and helpful to those who do take part in them (I do not know Woodstock well, but such events are what I perceive as a large gathering).
medium: cooking (cautious about overheating hemp oil, the effects are negligable and it has the smell that some enjoy), baking, putting a leaf inside the mouth.
Record progress in a journal for greater consistancy.

So is the idea here that people should use 'natural' drugs and then see if it makes them healthier in some way? The only thing it is probably going to do is give them a tolerance to those drugs.

If you repeatedly exposed people to diseases their entire lives instead of giving them anti-biotics, they might develope resistances to those... there are a few other examples of such things. However, there seems little likelyhood that experimentation with drugs will make you not want to use other 'non acceptable' chemicals.

How's this for a hypothesis:

Use no drugs, sleep good hours, eat good food, excercise regularly and find fun things to do that you enjoy completely sober. Then maybe you won't have much desire to smoke crack.

[mbc]

Concept: Inneffective Political systems have conjured emotions that have conditioned people to celebrate inadequate concepts. Achaic Capitalists as well have capitalized off of people celebrating the New Year on January 1st, many people were encouraged to celebrate the year "2000."
Question at hand: How may humans better their intellect, their power?
Recommendation: Because we may be hurting eachother with a lot of bad feelings by celebrating concepts like the New Year on January 1st, particularly "Millenium Eve," perhaps a change, facilitation, towards celebration of the New Year on the Spring Equinox would better our capacity to think. This may be beneficial to music as well.


Matthew Curry

[Elroy]

Yeah... I understood that part. It reaks of the mayain calendar cults... don't tell me you are into all of that crap.

Yes, it is good to acknowledge the spring and summer equinox -- they are things that occur in nature and not in an arbitrary system numeric created by humans.

However, acting as though acknowledging these things will somehow transform humanity into something greater and more magikal or something is a bit of a dellusion... it's where the cults get their power -- the same way that Evangelical churches got their power by telling people that Jesus was going to save them NYE Y2K.

Want proof -- just look at how fucked up and ridiculous the mayain cult people are... most of them can't even write cogent sentences.

[James Capricorn]

Elroy, you've been such a dick since your purple pet unicorn died.

J.C.
Red Galactic earth

[Elroy]

Oh c'mon... I'm not being a dick. You've seen me be a dick.

[James Capricorn]

I know. I just needed an excuse to use "Elroy" and "unicorn" in the same sentence.

[namagem]

wow

[mbc]

There was a young lady in a group of about five, two young ladies, and three young men and they said the word "crack." The capitalistic principle of supply and demand was so poignant, painfully sharp to the emotions, that it was either me or someone in the group that was going to demand crack, or that someone was going to be the object of pain (I haven't who has?). An amplified problem with drug experimentation may not be beneficial for people and life. Perhaps a rate of fluctuation, like a sine wave or consine wave with an acceptable frequency, one in which we may survive, would be better. My imperfect intent is to experiment rationally, with mushrooms, and perhaps coca leaves (I wrote cocoa leaves prior). This may help alleviate the pressure placed upon others and help transition away from synthetic products that may cause many harmful side-effects. Please do not experiment with the methodology that I am developing as if it as solution to many problems; the intent is not utopian, nor perfect. I would not like for us to have a festering drug problem that would cause us to be unproductive or be in a difficult-to-survive existence. May we continue to seek to better ourselves.

Matthew Curry

[DjBear_PDX]

It's awesome how you try to speak on the same level as everyone else and not attempt to be condescending in the least.

[mbc]

This is an edit of my usage of the word "concept." The word that better denotes what I am trying to write is principle. The notion of religion is a concept to me, religions exist, but they do not assist knowledge. Religion is an inefficient method of ruling people.

Statement from Herodotus (I believe).
If one has red hair and grey eyes, then their god(s) have red hair and grey eyes. If one is black, then their god(s) are black. If horses could carve, we would find that their god(s) look like horses.

Concept: 1556, from M.L. conceptum "draft, abstract," in L. "(a thing) conceived," from pp. of concipere "to take in" (see conceive). In some 16c. cases a refashioning of conceit (perhaps to avoid negative connotations); conception in the womb sense was c.1300.

Principle: c.1380, "fundamental truth or proposition," from Anglo-Norm. principle, from O.Fr. principe, from L. principium (pl. principia) "a beginning, first part," from princeps (see prince). Meaning "origin, source" is attested from 1413. Sense of "general rule of conduct" is from c.1532. Used absolutely for (good or moral) principle from 1653.

Source for origin and history of the words "concept" and "principle" are from:
http://www.etymonline.com/

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[OneHundredFifty]

Such a fascinating thread. Really.

[djsteel]

http://www.g-pop.net/images/brangelina.jpg

[equip]

I think people would be happier if they ate more cheese.