Does spinning house mean I don't have a "right" to spin DnB?

[R33koh]

Now, usually I don't post these kinds of things, but I feel it's a glaring issue that I thought I would get a consensus on.

First, a bit of a background explanation: in 1995 I was accidentally purchased a little album called "Timeless" from an artist named "Goldie". That accident spurred my love of electronica, leading me to discover the scene. My next purchase was "New Forms" by Roni Size in '97, my sophomore year in high school. I fell in love with drum'n'bass and continued through the hits by people like GrooveRider, Dillinja (pre-Valve), Doc Scott, 4 Hero, etc etc.

In 1999, I discovered Bad Boy Bill, and heard Glaude for the first time and that marked a shift in my musical focuses and pushed me to be a bit more eclectic. Soon, in 2001, I had picked up turntables and followed my passion for both DnB and House. When people hear the name "Reekoh" they identify it with house music the majority of the time (or so I was told when I asked around for this post), but I never lost my passion for jungle and have been attending dnb gigs for as long as I can remember. I support the locals, and I show up to the War Room (and the Baltic Room before it) with fair regularity. I even drive down to Portland to catch dnb artists that don't make it up.... on weekdays during a work week....

However, when I registered on seattlednb.com and posted my first dnb mix, I was immediately flamed for being a House dj "trying to step in to a scene I would never understand". I was sent PMs that included physical threats and verbal harassment.

My favorite recurring insult is "House Fag".

I don't understand, so please help me to. This leads me to believe that even though I've been an avid DnB lover for 12 years, because I became known for spinning house, I don't have the "right" to spin drum and bass?

It's crossed the line between racial even, with moderators of this board having been forwarded messages from these people claiming to be "true junglists" illicitly targeting my race/nationality and combining it with these "House Fag" names. Because of this I have a hard time associating with, or making friends with people within the drum and bass scene, as I believe them to have a racist population amongst them. I don't want this to be the case, considering how passionate I am about the music, yet this is what I've been shown.

I'm prepared to even post the copies of the messages with the people's names attached if needed, but I guess my main question is:

Is this how it is? Is this is what being a "junglist" is about? do people within the scene hate genres like these guys would have me believe? I guess I'm hoping for well-respected members within the dnb community to post and refute this, but I'm not getting my hopes up. It makes me reluctant to post any new drum and bass mixes......

Discuss your thoughts?

[.-=PSYLON=-.]

Don't hate the playas. Play the hatahz.


Snobby elitism killed my love of the scene, but not my love of the music. If people fail to see that, fuck em.

[burnt]

dude, I really wouldn't worry about that kid.

[R33koh]

Originally posted by burnt
dude, I really wouldn't worry about that kid.

he's not the only one. he's maybe the 5th one.... maybe more if i can find the messages across all three boards

[xshank667x]

People have the right to play whatever genre they want. What I've personally seen is people going from one genre to another, is that they generally are use to playing the other genre and cant get the new one down. Thus pissing people off when they try to play it out. But, bottomline, people can play what they want.

But...

House is still for fags Geno ;)

[IrisSilverMoon]

talk to aaron simpson about this...hahaha.

to this day he still gets shit. for some reason the DnB peolpe can be soooooooo protective and closed off. Not everyone mind, but fuck...its kind of wierd.

[xshank667x]

Yeah I was just about to say...Aaron...I remember when he first started playin DnB...christ the bitching from people...

[Kosmicdog]

Jed is Jed Black on Jungle days and electrokid the rest of the time.

maybe try something like that *shrug*

[Homatek]

I play DnB, Jungle, Downtempo, Breaks, Techno annnndddd House...

uh oh...what does that make me.

maybe I will change my name to ELECTRONIC JUNKIE

[Soular]

Ha, what she said.(edit, this part was meant for iris) I don't understand when people freak out about that. Nobody messed with Justin (Nitsuj) when he played techno (that I know of).

Here is the 'real' issue: The dnb scene doesn't have enough shows to carry the amount of DJs there are. So when someone crosses over, people get scared that that DJ is going to take their DJ slot, a night that they could have played instead of this 'guy that is just trying to do what's cool with no love for the music'. These people obviously don't know you, or your history with the music.

So what I say:

Fuck em.

[R33koh]

Originally posted by Soular
So what I say:

Fuck em.

Thank you, i was waiting for somebody i respect on that side of the scene to post :) :) :)

[Phi11iraver666]

That to even think that you dont have "the right" would suggest that your subconscious is telling you that your afraid of what other people think. If you love DNB that much that drop it like its hot or else youll just wonder what if. And if anyone says that they dont like it well tuff shit on them. I spun hard trance at whistlers party when i usually spin nrg and herd to the grape vine that some people didnt like it. Its not what i normally play but i had to keep it uplifting ya know, but im rambling! Just spin it man! :)

[dislocatedlogic]

Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
talk to aaron simpson about this...hahaha.

to this day he still gets shit. for some reason the DnB peolpe can be soooooooo protective and closed off. Not everyone mind, but fuck...its kind of wierd.

He was telling me about that a while back...
I think a lot of the DnB crowd feels they have to prove something to the rest of the scene. Like when you're in middle school and to prove you're cool, you have to say how stupid someone is when in reality, you know you're the dumbest kid in the class.

[DjBear_PDX]

Can half the kids talking shit to you even match a beat, let alone play well?

[X-Perience]

Although DNB is wonderful music, a lot of people who like it can be dicks, because a lot of people don't just like the music, they LIVE for the music...

I'm sorry but I spin UK Hardcore and DnB, and if junglists have a problem with that, they can fuck off. Because i'm not going to stop spinning either one.

Spin whatever the hell you want bro, as long as it sounds good!

[R33koh]

Originally posted by DjBear_PDX
Can half the kids talking shit to you even match a beat, let alone play well?

I dont know ask "State of Mind" and "dubfunkk424" two cases of people I've never met or know anything about.

[Headphones Dude]

I don't care mosts Junglists hate on kandi kids. I understand why they do it. They're more into it for the music, and not some colored kandi and pacifiers and cuddle puddles. They are some of the most devoted dancers, dj's and producers I've ever met. Unfortunately, their attitude is what causes some problems with the people they hate on. Now, it seems like they needed new targets, so they all just decided House music sucks and it's time to shut it down or something, Long live DnB.....WTF???? Without House, we'd probably have no drum n bass. I personally see no reason why a dj can't spin more than one genre. I once knew a girl I won't name, but she wasn't having a good time because her favorite dj was spinning breaks, and she was pissed off because she wanted to hear drum n bass. I felt and I still do now, that it doesn't fucking matter. You either support that dj or you don't. I may want my favorite dj to spin my favorite song, but if he or she doesn't, does that mean I'll want to get mad and go home? Fuck no. I'll just have to enjoy their set and try to keep a open mind for what they're feeling for that paticular set.

The way I see it, the more styles a dj can play, the more gigs they can be booked for. But I guess jaded junglists are some sort of Noah's ark, and they only have enough room on their boat for 1 style of dj. Multi-genre dj's must be a big no no....I say fuck em'......

[DjBear_PDX]

Originally posted by Reekoh
I dont know ask "State of Mind" and "dubfunkk424" two cases of people I've never met or know anything about.


I guess my point was that it seems most of the hating comes from the kids who are either shitty DJ's or just plain old douchebags. Usually the shitty DJ's are worried they won't get booked anymore if DJ's that don't suck invade the talent pool. This seems to be with any genre of music though.

[B_tech]

I learned a long time ago to not give a shit what people say and to fuck the naysayers.

Do whatchalike and don't worry about what others think.

[Homatek]

All the junglists I know are not jaded really ......except myself a little and I like all genres of music.
I will disagree that people into DnB are more about the music because a lot of people into house live for the music and still dance their asses off.
I know break beat headz and core headz that live for that one genre, but they still seem to go out and support other styles of music. Even if its just to support a friend.

Maybe its different down here, but some of the house kids we have here are more jaded then the DnB heads. I must admit for some years now I will be seen out listening to Dnb more then any other genre, but only because not only is the music good, but everyone is so friendly here. I don't think anyone gives a shit if you play more the one genre...or if they do ..who cares??? Then they are just being dipshits.

I honestly don't see why anyone would care what you play...most people I know don't only spin one genre and even a liot of Dnb headz down here are now playing dubstep.
Being a Dj and playing music is for yourself just as much as it is for other people and the great thing about spinning multi-genres....you get to meet more people with the same passions as you!

[HexRei]

this deserves the biggest sad face in TEH UNIVERSE!!!!

[skloot]

Originally posted by breakbaby
All the junglists I know are not jaded really ......except myself a little and I like all genres of music.
I will disagree that people into DnB are more about the music because a lot of people into house live for the music and still dance their asses off.
I know break beat headz and core headz that live for that one genre, but they still seem to go out and support other styles of music. Even if its just to support a friend.

Maybe its different down here, but some of the house kids we have here are more jaded then the DnB heads. I must admit for some years now I will be seen out listening to Dnb more then any other genre, but only because not only is the music good, but everyone is so friendly here. I don't think anyone gives a shit if you play more the one genre...or if they do ..who cares??? Then they are just being dipshits.

I honestly don't see why anyone would care what you play...most people I know don't only spin one genre and even a liot of Dnb headz down here are now playing dubstep.
Being a Dj and playing music is for yourself just as much as it is for other people and the great thing about spinning multi-genres....you get to meet more people with the same passions as you!

This.

I come from a similar background as you, Reekoh - I fell thoroughly in love with DnB around that period (grand stuff) and started branching out into more untz-untz four-on-the-floor stuff later. I'm more involved with the DnB side of things than anything else really, and, in person at least, I find little snobbery / elitism / thugishness. There's douchenozzles everywhere (especially on the intarnets!), fuck em. Don't take these couple wankers as representative of anything. FLAME THEM A NEW TRACHEOTOMY!!
Though: it's true that I'm in PDX and I've heard that things are a little mellower here.

[B_tech]

Originally posted by breakbaby
All the junglists I know are not jaded really ......except myself a little and I like all genres of music.
Most the jungle/dnb DJs that I meet who have that elietist attitude or an attitude in general are n00bs. You'll NEVER hear that shit from the older guys... mainly because most of them played house @ one time or breaks & house.

It's not being jaded that's the problem.. being jaded comes with being old and disliking the changes you see.

What is the issue is people who are vocal about what they don't like and do so in a disrespectful manner. I don't like a lot of shit, but I don't belittle other DJs that like/play that music. Respect is defo lacking in the younger crowd these days. OOPS! I think i'm jaded. ;)

[R33koh]

Originally posted by HexRei
this deserves the biggest sad face in TEH UNIVERSE!!!!

:( <------ sad face :p

[skloot]

http://skloot.net/misc/saaad.gif

better?

[Pooka]

Reekoh, you're letting a couple bad apples ruin the whole barrel. The MAJORITY of people are just going be happy that someone is there to play good tunes. Don't forget that the dancers come and go, and yes some of you have stated that DnB dancers are in it for life, but they should then be wise enough to know that DJ's come and go, tastes fluctuate and hopefully they realize that yes, as a listener you listen to a track over and over, but DJ's study those tracks and generally after a month it's time to move on to something new and that track is not listened to for a couple years. So change is inevitable, it should be supported and anyone that knows you, knows that you have the talent to spin whatever the hell you want.

[Palmer]

Originally posted by Reekoh
I dont know ask "State of Mind" and "dubfunkk424" two cases of people I've never met or know anything about.

Heres some info from "dubbfunk424"'s profile:

"MUSIC: jungle and jungle i like deep house and funky house well alotta funky shit speed garage gabber yay"


I see that they like more than one style of music, that isnt possible.

[IrisSilverMoon]

i'm curious to see this thread.

If only most of them knew i used to play trance and UK hardhouse!!!

oh noes!

I like trancey DnB though so it probably wouldn't be very surprising.

[HexRei]

Originally posted by Kranman
http://skloot.net/misc/saaad.gif

better?

bigger plz david.

[JungulSouljah]

I am a JUNGULIST. I don't hate Househeadz. I hate psuedo-junglists who just because they've listened to Commercial DnB for 6 months, think they're Junglists. 7+ years ago House Ruled this land. Know you're roots.
Even if I made fun of everyone for it. :p

[quickster]

Reekoh! you are a poser little bitch! how dare you play house and dnb....one or the other genre jumper! fucker! j/k

[djthebandit]

Originally posted by Reekoh


Is this how it is? Is this is what being a "junglist" is about? do people within the scene hate genres like these guys would have me believe? I guess I'm hoping for well-respected members within the dnb community to post and refute this, but I'm not getting my hopes up. It makes me reluctant to post any new drum and bass mixes......

Discuss your thoughts?

Bujaskallakaklaaaa if you can say that you are half way there! Also, you need a black hoodie. Buy some camo too! And just listen to DnB all the time. Its easy, a caveman can do it.

;)

[FREEEZZ]

google crazy mean baby! I urge you to make your own.

http://a190.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/55/l_8921479adf78148ddcd72c9473c3f62d.jpg

[travail420]

G, who the hell on this earth has the right to tell you who you are but you? I've spun hard trance for years until YOU sold me a crate of house records, I've loved the shit ever since. Point being, PLAY WHAT YOU LOVE! And you can tell them dirty lil haters to come on down to the southend and see how it's done. *raises fist in the air*

Travail

[R33koh]

Originally posted by travail420
G, who the hell on this earth has the right to tell you who you are but you? I've spun hard trance for years until YOU sold me a crate of house records, I've loved the shit ever since. Point being, PLAY WHAT YOU LOVE! And you can tell them dirty lil haters to come on down to the southend and see how it's done. *raises fist in the air*

Travail

:D I hope the idiots that think like that see all these messages!

[tr0llaccount]

it takes a true poser to be that concerned with what someone else plays. they're just copying an image they've seen portrayed online.

[R33koh]

Originally posted by muzak
it takes a true poser to be that concerned with what someone else plays. they're just copying an image they've seen portrayed online.

when i get multiple physical threats, I take that seriously. Especially considering I've never had that happen in my entire existence before

[James Capricorn]

I too, go both ways.

[tr0llaccount]

Originally posted by Reekoh
when i get multiple physical threats, I take that seriously. Especially considering I've never had that happen in my entire existence before

i can understand that. a swift kick to his nuts will resolve the issue in short order.

[IrisSilverMoon]

post up the link!

i couldn't find it.

[R33koh]

Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
post up the link!

i couldn't find it.

link to what?

[sickboy]

Don't sweat it, House > DnB anyway. How many DnB dj's are in the top 100?

[littlelimelight]

Drum and Bass FTW!!!!

Geno: Keep working hard, pushing for what you want, and all should fall into place....Love ya!

Edited to say: You do spin wonderful house, and I don't want you to give that up completely either.

[djsence]

why would you care what people think about what you like to play anyway?


*shrugs*

[IrisSilverMoon]

Originally posted by Reekoh
link to what?

sorry i thought it was in the thread.

actually kind of funny how they weren't willing to say anything right out on the board (i can pretty much garuntee that wouldn't have gone over well)

to my knowledge neither of those guys plays DnB out at any events.

[Soular]

Originally posted by sickboy
Don't sweat it, House > DnB anyway. How many DnB dj's are in the top 100?
Aaaah, don't even go there. That's a whole nutha thread that's been done a million times.

Edit: Reekoh, where is your mix posted?

[R33koh]

Originally posted by Soular
Aaaah, don't even go there. That's a whole nutha thread that's been done a million times.

Edit: Reekoh, where is your mix posted?

Yeah Ill agree there, regardless if there are "Top 100" dj's both are awesome genres.

I can repost it, but it's a couple years old now

there's an old one @ www.reekoh.com it was done live so i think its a little rough

Originally posted by djsence
why would you care what people think about what you like to play anyway?


*shrugs*

read the part where I mentioned there were physical threats involved.

[djsence]

Originally posted by Reekoh
read the part where I mentioned there were physical threats involved. .

so call the police if you are concerned. I don't see how creating a rant/drama thread about it is gonna help anything. It may just add more fuel to the fire.

[R33koh]

Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
to my knowledge neither of those guys plays DnB out at any events.

Agreed, I'm waiting for either to hop on and say something now that it's public, but theyve both been on and havent seen them in here

[Roddimus]

haha, i can sort of relate in an opposite way.
i recently played a house/techno set at a party which had a lot of jungle fans who were familiar with me as a dnb DJ. i recieved a lot of flak from a few people after my set, some guys with genuine dissapointment in their eyes, whining "i thought you were HARD man." i just flipped them off and said "not hard, FUNKY. i never claimed to be a pseudo-revolutionary whiteboy gangster from the suburbs."
seattlednb.com has a lot of pious weirdos floating around. it's one thing when people criticise a genre-straddling DJ for their lack of creativity or insight into dnb's nuances, but unfortunately some people try to make it personal instead of professional.
where's the thread where you got bashed? i'm not finding it.

[R33koh]

Originally posted by djsence
so call the police if you are concerned. I don't see how creating a rant/drama thread about it is gonna help anything. It may just add more fuel to the fire.

rant/drama thread? This is about asking people that I respect in the scene if this is common. If you don't like it, don't read :)

[R33koh]

Originally posted by Roddimus
where's the thread where you got bashed? i'm not finding it.

it's been removed, I can forward some of the pms from here and there though

[electrokid]

Originally posted by Kosmicdog
Jed is Jed Black on Jungle days and electrokid the rest of the time.

maybe try something like that *shrug*

i think one of the reasons i didn't get shit about playing dnb is because i secretly bought it to play for myself and friends about a year after i started spinning breaks, which was about 8 years ago. plus, its all broken beats anyway.

maybe dnb kids get so butt hurt over "other" djs playing "their" music because they are defending their subculture. honestly, i've felt the same way about some house djs playing breakbeats. something just doesn't seem right to me about a house dj playing out with a limited catalog of breaks they've occasionally pulled from the top shelf of the record store. i would never go so far as to call them names or publicly chastise them. it does generate conversation amongst breaksheads though.

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by electrokid


maybe dnb kids get so butt hurt over "other" djs playing "their" music because they are defending their subculture. honestly, i've felt the same way about some house djs playing breakbeats. something just doesn't seem right to me about a house dj playing out with a limited catalog of breaks they've occasionally pulled from the top shelf of the record store..

It's not "their" music it's everyone's music. I have seen so many international dj's that play other types of music....Hell I just listened to a breakbeat track by Nosia. When Pendulum was here in the NW, he switched from playing DnB and thew on some Acid HOUSE! WTF!

Reekoh's been listening to dnb/jungle since he was 12 years old, when his mom accidently bought him a Goldie album. He knows ALOT about Drum and Bass especially UK drum and bass. Just because someone plays house doesn't mean that's all they know and you shouldn't assume such things until you ask them yourself.

[b-eazyy]

you should just start playing dub-step, duh!

[burnt]

Originally posted by djsence
so call the police if you are concerned. I don't see how creating a rant/drama thread about it is gonna help anything. It may just add more fuel to the fire.

sometimes self policing is better than real policing.

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by burnt
sometimes self policing is better than real policing.

yeah, beside the po-po would probably arrest Geno instead. :eek:

[corbettfields]

Originally posted by Headphones Dude
I I understand why they do it. They're more into it for the music,.

i think if they were into for "the music" theyd appreciate tons of different music....and djs, musicians etc etc

i think the ones saying nasty shit are just posers

[bsweet]

Reading this thread just confirms for me why I generally don't really like self-proclaimed "junglists" and their "scene". I have loved d& b and jungle music for at least 10 years, was a steady attendee of tuesday night d & b for a good while but never felt much love or openess from the regulars. There is too much competition and focus on being "hard".

I love d & b; it resonates with my groove button sooo much but most of the die hard folks are just stuck in their narrow minded little clique. Its not "their" music. Its for everyone.

I love to dance to most anything. Maybe that doesn't make me a true "junglist". I'd rather dance around people who are happy and accepting however.

[R33koh]

Originally posted by bsweet
I love d & b; it resonates with my groove button sooo much but most of the die hard folks are just stuck in their narrow minded little clique.


YES! Ive noticed this too, it's infinitely harder to make friends in the D&B scene than it is ANYwhere else! Why is that you think? You mentioned close-mindedness..... i think youre on to something

[IrisSilverMoon]

Originally posted by Reekoh
YES! Ive noticed this too, it's infinitely harder to make friends in the D&B scene than it is ANYwhere else! Why is that you think? You mentioned close-mindedness..... i think youre on to something

I actually don't think that's true.

I've had this discussion with a couple people and i never had any problem getting into the DnB scene (granted I got introduced by Sothis and am a girl) but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that its a pretty tight knit group of people who arent always good at socialising and getting to welcome the new people in. I don't think they are necessarily blocking people out I just think they are bad at being forward about getting to know people. And ofcourse there are a few bad eggs in every scene that are assholes, possibley the DnB ones are more vocal?

However, they can be pretty close minded about other genres. some of the people of SDnB just recently had a discussion about drop in attendance at events and getting new people in. Perhaps next time such a meeting happens we should post it up here so people from all scenes can have a chance to give input?

anyway...forward the PM's! i am Iris on SDnB if its easier to do it that way.

[soulfire]

Spin what you want, when you want.

I say people who insult you are either jealous that they can't spin both, or just being close minded assholes. I know when I spin, I will want to spin ALL genres, whether it be house, dnb, trance, breaks, jungle, hardcore, even happy hardcore, and if anyone says anything about it, they can eat shit!

Some people in the dnb scene are jaded about so many things, and to try to kick it with some is a bitch because they are negative and all about drama, and notice I said SOME, not ALL. They atke the rough things that happen to them in life and use it as negativity instead of driving it towards becoming a better person. I have had tons of bad shit happen to me, my life has been in the fucking toilet many times, and I use it as a tool to be better. I always think, things could be worse, they could be like it was when I hit rock bottom, and I feel happier, more positive about my current path. Some people think of the b.s. and get more pissed off, and they treat others like shit instead of encouraging people and becoming a better person themselves. I've had to be homeless, doesn't mean I'm going to be all about street survival and shit, I've picked up from that and want to make life more wholesome for myself and those I love. I am way more successful now, especially since I've plucked the things out of my life that were bringing me down. I even direct the negative things into creative endeavors, like poetry and song. Right now I'm remodeling a house, learning things about building and making money and traveling at the same time. It's incredible!

It really matters who you're talking to, though. Anyone can be negative, even a house head, but usually people who listen to a more light hearted music are more of light hearted people! And people that listen to everything, well they tend to be more open minded and welcoming to others, like me for example. Of course, I can understand why people can be closed off, I have trusted people way too quickly and had parts of my life obliverated because of it. I have lost a lot because I have tried to believe in the best of people only to find the worst, but it hasn't made me less friendly, just more cautious. I try not to allow the point where someone has the opportunity to take advantage of me.

I think it's awesome when people are open minded enough to like more than one genre! Way to go for you, buddy!

[Cethe]

geno, didn't i tell you already....listen to what humpty said

"do what cha like"

[bsweet]

Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
I actually don't think that's true.

I've had this discussion with a couple people and i never had any problem getting into the DnB scene (granted I got introduced by Sothis and am a girl)

Hmmm...I am a girl too, and while I have made a few friends while out and about at d & b nights they are not neccesarily part of the "inner crew". I have always felt a competitive, not-so-friendly attitude from a good portion of folks, male and female.

I just want to dance, and for some people it somehow instills this "battle" mentality. Bleh...why can't we all just dance together and be happy and smile. (Not enough smiling happens at d & b shows)

[xshank667x]

l33t. :rolleyes:

[DJ Nikon]

hate to say it, but its the PacNW scenery here

too many scensters claiming to hate others who dont fit into their model of what a househead, trancewhore, candykid, or jungalist is because of what they spin more publically OR how they dress.

I still luv ya Geno and I dig you're dnb as well as house (altho, I do mostly hate house...too slow. 2/4 beat? blech) ;)

I get comments all the time myself from all over about how I dont LOOK DRUM AND BASS, so I must not spin good music.
Or I look more punk rocker then a happycore enthusiast.

So I feel ya on the racism part, not because of nationality...but because I dont pretend to be gangster and mad at everyone OR I dont wear enough glitter. It's always been a setback to me being taken seriously. At least you can tell who are full of themselves and who takes this whole issue for what it is....

.....MUSIC. It's just music. :)

[xshank667x]

Exactly...

IT'S JUST FUCKING MUSIC PEOPLE!!!

NOT THE 3RD RIECH

[quickster]

That is a dumb question Geno. Of course you have a right. Just know your music if you are gonna play it. its not the dnb scene, its the dnb heads that are protective of their music, alot of them have worked hard and supported and expect the peeps that are playing out to have the same about of support and love that they do, this is why peeps dog on other djs for jumping to other genres besides dnb. Brandon wants to be proven that you know your shit. He also likes to get really stoned and talk shit, its kinda funny sometimes but not when its about one of my friends....hes a hothead, dont worry bout it.

and yes adam, it is just music, maybe to you....you arent a dj....a good dj studies his music, a respected dj will talk about music with you, about new tracks, about other random shit etc...you are right.....but if i just up and started to play techno and automatically got booked cuz i was quicker dont you think some of those techno djs that have been tryin to come up might get mad? maybe some....*shrugs* i dunno i really dont care either, but i do know why all this anger n hatin goes on, its retarded...

[xshank667x]

Wow...Winter comes to mind with that last paragraph dude LOL.

Anyways, I do know my shit though, with the genres that I like. I can talk quite a bit when it comes to those genres.

[burnt]

I'm just gonna toss this one out there and see if anybody bites, but...

I'll bet you a nickel that attitudes like the ones sending Geno those PMs are part of the reason why somebody awesome like Gein will come to town representing something awesome like Therapy Sessions, playing on an awesome sound system like the HAS system...... and only a hundred or so kids were willing to stand in line to pay and participate.

those "heads" might think they're being protective Chris, but the sad irony is they're killing the development and maturity of the very thing they're trying to protect and develop respect for.

there were a lot of other factors in play that prevented the Therapy Sessions from succeeding, but its just as true that when the same scenester hater assholes were the only people posting myspace bulletins for Therapy Sessions.... a lot of potential attendees saw that and thought to themselves "looks like it could be fun, but except it looks like its just gonna be nobody but the same bunch of assholes partying there..."

and from what I read in the review, it was mostly just those "dedicated protector" assholes in attendance.

they might think they're being "protective" but if you've seen the movie Carrie, you know that being overprotective - with negative energy and words - produces nothing but a bad result both for the protector and the protectee.

the road to hell is paved with good intentions. anyway, some food for thought.

[quickster]

I totally agree with you Eric. It sucks too. Its a huge reason why dnb djs dont get booked up in Seattle at all age parties, because they dont want people like Brandon at their shows giving their shows a bad vibe with the elitest aditude.

[littlelimelight]

Yeah, there aren't too many drum and bass all ages parties...except USC 10, and that's more than just drum and bass.

[quickster]

ya know geno, i actually cant really tell you why other then the fact that you are with 1001, brandon hates jesse witha passion. look at poecaine, he plays breaks, he doesnt know dnb very well but nobody clowns on him, not even brandon. i cant really sit here and analyze more why brandon would dislike you other then to hate on somebody in 1001 that he doesnt know, he knows me and burnt so theres not an issue *shrugs* i think he just might get a kick out the drama dude.

[Car2n]

i'm PMing you Geno!

Just do your thing and don't worry about others.

[b-eazyy]

Originally posted by quickster
look at poecaine, he plays breaks, he doesnt know dnb very well and everybody clowns on him, cause thats what bears do.

J/K we all love PoCAINE ;) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa

[travail420]

Originally posted by quickster
I totally agree with you Eric. It sucks too. Its a huge reason why dnb djs dont get booked up in Seattle at all age parties, because they dont want people like Brandon at their shows giving their shows a bad vibe with the elitest aditude.
Hey if things go as planned this summer your going to start seeing more 16+ dnb shows in Seattle. And Geno your more than welcome to rock it. I can't believe that someone would threaten you with bodily harm for spinning dnb. I just spun dnb last week at a friends house for the first time and amazed a room full of dnb fans and a couple dnb dj's. I got some of the," Oh the trance and house dj thinks he can spin dnb" looks from a few people until I funkin ripped it the hell up. I've never been interested in spinning dnb until now. I challenge anyone to threaten me with bodily harm because I want to be a better and more versitile dj.

[R33koh]

oh travail :D you make me smile dude.

i was expecting a much more negative tone and a flaming war, but instead am VERY pleasantly pleased with this discussion......

you guys are making em more inspired to put out a dnb mix finally after a couple years.....

I'm hoping people who act this way catch this thread somehow....

[Lowkey]

damn, that is unbelievable... anyone true to the music would push for growth, accept and even encourage new faces to pursue thier intrests in hopes of expanding whatever it is weve got here...

when i walked into seattle dnb, i was a complete noob, had only been listening to DnB for about 2 months.. and my knowledge was nil to none.. i didnt know liquid from wobble to be brutely honest..

ive since devoted the last two plus years to the music, started dabling in producing, mixing and basically just absorbing all that i could. Had I been recieved with any negative vibes, (due to my obvious lack of knowledge) i would have walked right back out.. there was the occasional prick who like to poke fun, but the rest were genuinley accpeting and offered some polite 'schooling'' regarding random Drum and Bass paticulars and in some cases went out of there way at shows to introduce themselves and made me feel welcome .. i learned alot from these kats..

I for one, would be interested as to what promoters, DJ's or whoever was making physical theats, as i will stop supporting any of thier efforts from this point on, wether you decide to post all that info here is up to you, and im not saying you should... but i would like to know who the dumb fucks are because i dont want to be associated with em.. or support thier shows... fuck em, they dirt yo..

i know you got skills brutha, but house aint my bag.. but i was lucky enough to catch you spinnin DnB at Dots house party last year.. and would like to see more of it..


know you got support holmes... we aint all fuckwads..

-Kelcey

[R33koh]

Originally posted by Lowkey
know you got support holmes... we aint all fuckwads..

-Kelcey

thank you, I responded with names

[IrisSilverMoon]

i still think a lot of the kids are just social retards (no offense of course). loud shows make it hard to meet people, I personally don't just go up and talk to people, i'm shy. I need to see you a few times, have you say hi or strike up an extended convo at least once before i'll be saying hi to you again. Has nothing to do with DnB, its just how i operate.

[JungleJunkie]

Originally posted by Lowkey
damn, that is unbelievable... anyone true to the music would push for growth, accept and even encourage new faces to pursue thier intrests in hopes of expanding whatever it is weve got here...

Exactly!! I think thats bullshit you got threats. This is just my opinion but alot of people hate junglists and talk mad shit on us. Iv seen it here Iv seen it all over. So I could see why people wouldnt be accepting of you but thats BULLSHIT! Music is music. Spin what you want. Put your style into it. Shit I here way to many people trying to sound like everyone else. It shouldnt be about bitching about how everything sucks now. It should be about taking it to the next level.

[Texel]

Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
i still think a lot of the kids are just social retards (no offense of course). loud shows make it hard to meet people, I personally don't just go up and talk to people, i'm shy. I need to see you a few times, have you say hi or strike up an extended convo at least once before i'll be saying hi to you again. Has nothing to do with DnB, its just how i operate.

hit the nail on the head, especially with the loud music part. i mean, i'll chat people up when i'm outside, but especially someplace like war room it's hard enough to yell in my friends' ears, let alone meet new people.

i'll take a bit of issue though with the whole dnb reputation of people being "competitive" or trying to be "hard." i think maybe that's a side effect of the music itself, to be honest. most people around here in the dnb scene are super nice and down to earth, if a bit socially awkward some of the time (i'm as guilty of this as anyone else).

just realize you don't have anything to prove to anyone, and anybody who would go so far as to clown you via PM is a complete fucking loser.

[Car2n]

any other posts Aaron? :D

[quickster]

Originally posted by AaronS


everyone is trying so hard not to be a "poser" - that it ironically puts them in a position where they are fake anyways.

It cracks me up. But sometimes small scenes become like that, because of the personal ownership and DIY attitude involved in the scene.

I could not have said it better myself. :)

[Homatek]

Originally posted by JungulSouljah
I am a JUNGULIST. I don't hate Househeadz. I hate psuedo-junglists who just because they've listened to Commercial DnB for 6 months, think they're Junglists. 7+ years ago House Ruled this land. Know you're roots.
Even if I made fun of everyone for it. :p

Amen

[Texel]

christ, can a scene as small globally as dnb really afford to split hairs between people who listened to "commercial dnb" for 6 months and those who are "true junglists?" you have no idea how fucking ridiculous you sound. what, pray tell, is commercial dnb anyway?

[R33koh]

Originally posted by Texel
christ, can a scene as small globally as dnb really afford to split hairs between people who listened to "commercial dnb" for 6 months and those who are "true junglists?" you have no idea how fucking ridiculous you sound. what, pray tell, is commercial dnb anyway?

everytime I hear about how junglists hate on ravers I laugh. junglists ARE a form of raver, in a sense.

I never understood the words "commercial drum and bass" as, in my mind, there is no possible damn way ANYthing dnb could ever be commercial. Maybe in about 50 years if the top 20 albums in the entire world were ALL drum and bass, only then might i be inclined to call it "Commercial".

[burnt]

its actually very very commercial in London, or so I understand.

like the Jammin 95.5 or C89.5 hip hop heads in the US are annoying and top 40, kids in London are like that with jungle.

or so I have heard.

I never been.

its the best explanation for Clipz blowing up like he has though.

[IrisSilverMoon]

who the fuck cares where the DnB is heard?

I FINALLY got really interested in DnB after listening to Pendulum-Hold your Color. That's pretty commercial, if it hadn't been for that I might not have gone out to an event, I probably wouldnt' have looked for any similar styles and I probably wouldn't be a regular in that scene at the moment. the more commercial aspect of it may be what brings new people in.

For instance, i totally love trance and then finding out that there's actually a lot of trance influenced DnB out there? I love that stuff. SInce then i've expanded a lot more so its introduced me to other styles of DnB.

you could ultimately say the same thing about someone who loved house. DnB influenced house they may say? Hell yes! And you've got someone off and searching for something similar and checking out events.

[Homatek]

If you know your Dnb and if you know how huge it is in the UK then you know that there is YES such a thing as commericial DnB!
Eric is right...ithey have DnB radio stations and all that.
DnB is huge right now.
It cycles though....House was big, then Breaks, Then DnB...it will continue to cycle.

Jungul Souljah is right on when he says know your roots. Learn about the music before posting something like. ....whats commercial DnB?
Just as there is commercial house, trance, breaks...all that.
There is underground music and then there are times when you turn on the radio and hear oakenfold on 94.7...you dig?
I tend to steer towards whatever makes my body move. My musical tastes are for myself...I don't give a shit what people think.
I bet you some of these so called "junglists" only play jungle because "its cool to"..so fuck em!

Oh and back to the first post...like everyone else says....FUCK EM..why would you care what assholes think anyways??

[Furious Styles]

Originally posted by AaronS
ps - sometimes the dnb community reminds me of the punk community.

everyone is trying so hard not to be a "poser" - that it ironically puts them in a position where they are fake anyways.

It cracks me up. But sometimes small scenes become like that, because of the personal ownership and DIY attitude involved in the scene.

Nonetheless - just keep on truckin and "do what ya do" brotha =)

Golden Words of Truth man!!!

Geno, people will always talk shit. It's human nature. The threats, yeah fuck that. Out of line.

But really though... you just gotta step up and do ya thing. I get shit all the time. No physical threats but I hear the shit that is said. It's worse even for me cuz I'm a hip hop / top40 dj most of the time so I must not have any "true passion" and be a "fucking sellout chump". When in reality, I've been seeking out and collecting house and drum and bass for fifteen years. And ALWAYS working underground tracks into my nights at my "commercial" residencies. Force feeding the masses if you will.

But some of the same people who've hated on me behind my back have then come up after actually seeing me throw down and been like "wow... didn't know you could play like that".

And that's where you get the last laugh.

FUCK TEH HATERZ MANG!!!

[IrisSilverMoon]

Originally posted by breakbaby
I

Jungul Souljah is right on when he says know your roots. Learn about the music before posting something like. ....whats commercial DnB?



OH my fucking god...Did you really just say that in response to Texel?

From Quadrant?

Signed to Renegade Hardware, Citrus, Syndrome and Sudden Def?

Perhaps you should learn more about the music.

[Homatek]

Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
OH my fucking god...Did you really just say that in response to Texel?

From Quadrant?

Signed to Renegade Hardware, Citrus, Syndrome and Sudden Def?

Perhaps you should learn more about the music.

This makes me laugh. Yupp.... know nothing!
Maybe before sticking up for dude signed to a major label you shuold read into the rest of my post to get the just of what I was saying,

And if signed to a major label then he should know there is commercial electronic music in all genres.

Ps...I don't give a shit if someone is signed or not...they are a human being not a god...so I treat them as such! Wa y to try and stick up and be cool though!:rolleyes:

[Homatek]

Originally posted by AaronS
When i listen to music - i dont think about nor care about whether or not it is "commercial".

All i think about is whether or not i like it, and whether or not it moves me.

Anyone who is concerned about whether or not it is commercial, is only wrapped up in their own image, and how they are being perceived - rather than the music itself.

RIght on I am was implying that there really is commercial EDM though, but also said:

I tend to steer towards whatever makes my body move. My musical tastes are for myself...I don't give a shit what people think.

[burnt]

Originally posted by AaronS
When i listen to music - i dont think about nor care about whether or not it is "commercial".

All i think about is whether or not i like it, and whether or not it moves me.

Anyone who is concerned about whether or not it is commercial, is only wrapped up in their own image, and how they are being perceived - rather than the music itself.

quoted - for - fucking - truth.

Iris, I didn't mean to come across like "well, there *IS* commercial DnB and I'm too good for that..." - I like the commercial shit too. I think I said earlier that I'll even listen to Clipz. begrudgingly. but its better than P!NK thats for sure.

but naw - hell, I downloaded fucking Coldplay the other day and added it to my iTunes. I forwarded that track Lazy Eye to people because I was like this is cool, check it out.

I love me some good poppy commercial bullshit, as long as the songwriting is creative and pleasant.

I was just saying - well, "technically" DnB is commercial in one corner of the globe.

certainly not in Portland, Oregon though. Or Seattle.

hell, for what its worth, hardcore is fucking huge in Europe. not so huge over here. dude, even black/death metal is commercial in some parts of the globe. I was just trying to point out that technically/literally, it is actually very very commercial in one section of the globe. not that its a good or bad thing.

fuck, I type and type and say like a whole lot of words, and I review my stuff, and I still convey the wrong thing sometimes. oh well. I got your back too Geno.

me, Iris, Aaron Simpson, Shawna, Chris... we all got your back. and thats the important thing. looks like you got yourself a damn posse. =)

[Homatek]

^^^^^^^

Very well said Eric and supposedly I have an ego now??:eek:

Oh Nw Tekno...how I love thee!

[quickster]

Originally posted by Soular
Ha, what she said.(edit, this part was meant for iris) I don't understand when people freak out about that. Nobody messed with Justin (Nitsuj) when he played techno (that I know of).

Here is the 'real' issue: The dnb scene doesn't have enough shows to carry the amount of DJs there are. So when someone crosses over, people get scared that that DJ is going to take their DJ slot, a night that they could have played instead of this 'guy that is just trying to do what's cool with no love for the music'. These people obviously don't know you, or your history with the music.

So what I say:

Fuck em. Brandon isnt a dj guys, just an FYI....he is hating because he doesn;t know Reekoh, and because he is in 1001. End of story, I'll shoot him the link so he will explin.

[quickster]

Originally posted by B_tech
I learned a long time ago to not give a shit what people say and to fuck the naysayers.

Do whatchalike and don't worry about what others think. QFT.....best piece of advice ever......

[Rewind]

Texel was just trying to, I think, represent alot of our point of views that; sure there IS commercial dnb, but compared to most genres, saying, "wtf is commercial dnb," makes sense in a way.

If you dont get why, then you're probably not as big into dnb as he/I/some of us are. But no big deal


@Reekoh

http://www.seattlednb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10669

Bro dont let it get to you. Anyone responding that way to you, isn't worth the time of day, or you getting upset. Most crews now regularly book cross genre DJs, Sir Kutz, Frankie Dubs, the list goes on just no need to say them all. Check the upcoming onset, Bodyrock@heavens, etc flyers.

Here's what you do, you play what you want. You give demos of dnb, to the right people from wherever you're trying to play, or hell all of em. If its good, you'll get booked. I"ll go out on a limb and guarantee anyone hitting you up has no pull at all in seattle bookings that you'd want a part of.

The rest like people said, are the lower talent, cusp djs, worried about losing their bi monthly opening slot at a weekly.

DnB is alot more open minded these days, and it really sucks the minority are doing things like this, that hurt the general majority that want to open our minds.


J

[Lowkey]

Originally posted by burnt
me, Iris, Aaron Simpson, Shawna, Chris... we all got your back. and thats the important thing. looks like you got yourself a damn posse. =)


'we dont walk around like criminals or flex like big gorillas...'

haha posse up

[Homatek]

Originally posted by Rewind
Texel was just trying to, I think, represent alot of our point of views that; sure there IS commercial dnb, but compared to most genres, saying, "wtf is commercial dnb," makes sense in a way.


I think I may have just seen that written and taken it out of context then.
As my post was taken out of context.
Meh...watcha gonna do!
:cool:

[IrisSilverMoon]

Originally posted by Rewind
Texel was just trying to, I think, represent alot of our point of views that; sure there IS commercial dnb, but compared to most genres, saying, "wtf is commercial dnb," makes sense in a way.

If you dont get why, then you're probably not as big into dnb as he/I/some of us are. But no big deal





pwnd!

and Burnt, my response wasn't actually to you, but to JungulSouljah and his notion that there is something wrong with the new person that probably hasn't learned much about DnB yet.

[quickster]

Originally posted by djsence
why would you care what people think about what you like to play anyway?


*shrugs* QFT.....you see a pattern there?

[quickster]

Originally posted by djsence
so call the police if you are concerned. I don't see how creating a rant/drama thread about it is gonna help anything. It may just add more fuel to the fire. QFT.....hes a bully, get over it...he doesn;t represent the whole pdxdnb community reeekoh, so please dont let it ruin it for you....

[JungulSouljah]

Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
pwnd!

and Burnt, my response wasn't actually to you, but to JungulSouljah and his notion that there is something wrong with the new person that probably hasn't learned much about DnB yet.

I shall clarify. I don't hate 'noobs' who listen to "more mainstream DnB". I hate the ones that talk smack about other genres because they believe they are some form of aficionados. We were all noobs at one point. I encourage more ppl outside of the scene to sample ALL flavas of rave. Just don't bring ignorance along with you to appear superior or to try to fit in.

[quickster]

Originally posted by electrokid
i think one of the reasons i didn't get shit about playing dnb is because i secretly bought it to play for myself and friends about a year after i started spinning breaks, which was about 8 years ago. plus, its all broken beats anyway.

maybe dnb kids get so butt hurt over "other" djs playing "their" music because they are defending their subculture. honestly, i've felt the same way about some house djs playing breakbeats. something just doesn't seem right to me about a house dj playing out with a limited catalog of breaks they've occasionally pulled from the top shelf of the record store. i would never go so far as to call them names or publicly chastise them. it does generate conversation amongst breaksheads though. I can agree with this too.....cuz i think the same things.....you just cant fuck with jed's breaks.....just like you cant fuck with noah d's dnb in portland....

anybofy can grab the latest dnb record of of ram or hostpital....shit i could do that.....but i like to DIG.....i like to play dnb tracks taht nobvody else has that are quality as well, it takes time, and studying your music.....its call "DJ Just-ADD-WATER"

[Texel]

Originally posted by Rewind
Texel was just trying to, I think, represent alot of our point of views that; sure there IS commercial dnb, but compared to most genres, saying, "wtf is commercial dnb," makes sense in a way.

If you dont get why, then you're probably not as big into dnb as he/I/some of us are. But no big deal


@Reekoh

http://www.seattlednb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10669

Bro dont let it get to you. Anyone responding that way to you, isn't worth the time of day, or you getting upset. Most crews now regularly book cross genre DJs, Sir Kutz, Frankie Dubs, the list goes on just no need to say them all. Check the upcoming onset, Bodyrock@heavens, etc flyers.

Here's what you do, you play what you want. You give demos of dnb, to the right people from wherever you're trying to play, or hell all of em. If its good, you'll get booked. I"ll go out on a limb and guarantee anyone hitting you up has no pull at all in seattle bookings that you'd want a part of.

The rest like people said, are the lower talent, cusp djs, worried about losing their bi monthly opening slot at a weekly.

DnB is alot more open minded these days, and it really sucks the minority are doing things like this, that hurt the general majority that want to open our minds.


J

well put, justin, on all counts. yes, i'm trying to impart that "commercial" dnb is anything but, especially with regard to album sales. even a phenomenally successful act like pendulum hasn't broken the 100,000 mark, which is par for the course for even the most paltry of emo bands.

nothing with dnb has ever broken through on anything close to the scale that most genres use to define commercial success, and it shows- even though the uk is the largest audience for dnb doesn't mean it's nearly as successful as, say, radiohead. or even muse. (i'd mention coldplay but that'd be in descending order of artistic merit, not commercial success).

at any rate, people in the dnb scene sometimes talk a tough game and act like what they say/do actually matters at the end of the day, but in reality it just doesn't. it might make people feel better to have some nebulous idea of a uk scene somewhere out there where they pipe dnb out into the streets from every pub, but it just doesn't exist; not here, not anywhere. it's a small scene, and the moment we realize that and start acting like it (ie. not attempting to ostricize people due to lack of knowledge of "history") the better.

[burnt]

Originally posted by Texel
(i'd mention coldplay but that'd be in descending order of artistic merit, not commercial success).

you just made me a saaaaaa-a-a-a-a-a-adddd, panda....


:(

[Homatek]

Originally posted by JungulSouljah
I shall clarify. I don't hate 'noobs' who listen to "more mainstream DnB". I hate the ones that talk smack about other genres because they believe they are some form of aficionados. We were all noobs at one point

See I understood what you were saying because this tends to happen....however...like I have said for some reason we are blessed in PDX to have a very inviting DnB community (Besides a select few.) and most of the noobies don't turn into junglists overnight. You don't have to be a "junglist" to love the music...when I think of Junglist I think of people that llive and breathe that one genre...such as Chris!:D

I may listen to or know more about one certain genre, but I live and breathe all music. Seriously if I hated on ppl for liking mainstream music then me and my sister and I would not get along.
;)

All right time to move on

[quickster]

Originally posted by Texel
christ, can a scene as small globally as dnb really afford to split hairs between people who listened to "commercial dnb" for 6 months and those who are "true junglists?" you have no idea how fucking ridiculous you sound. what, pray tell, is commercial dnb anyway? Quadrant is a prime example of commercial dnb....eff that noise, its (scottish accent) CREP!!!!

;)

[quickster]

Originally posted by breakbaby
You don't have to be a "junglist" to love the music...when I think of Junglist I think of people that llive and breathe that one genre...such as Chris!:D

Thanks Shawna....I love rum n ass, i have loved it god......like 11 years now????.....and people have came and went, I was there at the raves in that empty room in 98 when dnb got the shaft everytime while househeads and techno heads got the main room EVERYTIME! I know whos in it for the long run and who is tryin to get a piece of the "glamour". I could care less about it all anymore....what makes me smile is when I see a full club of peeps bangin their heads and others shakin the butts cuz they love that music I have put so much love into....again....brandin is like 22 yrs old, a little hotheaded a little scenster and a definate hater of jesse aka dj owns...oh not to mention a bully if you feed into it....seriously i know how things work, I am a dnb nerd......i dont think its cool to like dnb or be REALLY into it, i dont walk into house nights all smug and sneer at peeps cuz i know that dnb is better.....errr wait yeh i do, but i definatly welcome anybody who wants to learn about this music that i love with open arms and i have alot to teach somebody....brandon from spun academy should let me teach a class on dnb and its culture cuz the hating parts????arent a huge part of it....

[Texel]

Originally posted by quickster
Quadrant is a prime example of commercial dnb....eff that noise, its (scottish accent) CREP!!!!

;)

yeah, when they started playing manipulated living on kube 93 i realized they'd really sold out

:cool:

[travail420]

You know, I came into the dnb scene as a complete unknow when we started booking dnb shows once a month at Vito's. I've never experienced anyone hate when we branched out from just trance to representing house, breaks and dnb also. Are there really people so into rep'in their favorite edm? What's next, turning into edm gangs? Kandy Kidz vs Junglist's vs House headz vs trance whores? How completely worthless.

[quickster]

Travail....you have to understand though that there are dnb club nights cuz people like me? dont care to hear anything but that, thats why when they started incorporating stuff like dubstep into dnb club nights, a large handful of peeps got vocal about it.....the reason being is that I've been around....I've been given the choice to like other styles of edm but i dont like them except techno and breaks, i dont study them but I like them about as much as those kids that go to dnb shows and dont take it serious....im definatly no techno or breakbeat enthusiast! Keep the dnb nights and stages....dnb...please....

[Homatek]

Originally posted by quickster
Thanks Shawna....I love rum n ass, i have loved it god......like 11 years now????.....

You are a prime exaple of someone who pretty much listens to Dnb only, but does not hate on anyone.

So I didn't want to mention names, but is Brandon the one talking the smack?
Hmmm I like him, but ya know..sometimes people just don't know when to chill out.

[JungulSouljah]

EDM is like Ice Cream. Theres a FLAVOR for everyone. ;)

[burnt]

I'm glad this thread didn't go from someone complaining about getting shit on by drum & bass scenesters to people sticking up for him and articulating why drum & bass is diverse and accepting to , um, drum & bass scenesters arguing the little details of drum & bass and shitting on each other.

that would have been ironic and funny, but also a pain in the ass. glad to see that didn't happen. hehe..

[Soggy]

Originally posted by Reekoh
Now, usually I don't post these kinds of things, but I feel it's a glaring issue.
When I registered on seattlednb.com and posted my first dnb mix, I was immediately flamed for being a House dj "trying to step in to a scene I would never understand". I was sent PMs that included physical threats and verbal harassment.
This leads me to believe that even though I've been an avid DnB lover for 12 years, because I became known for spinning house, I don't have the "right" to spin drum and bass? It's crossed the line between racial even, with moderators of this board having been forwarded messages from these people claiming to be "true junglists" illicitly targeting my race/nationality and combining it with these "House Fag" names. ...do people within the scene hate genres like these guys would have me believe? It makes me reluctant to post any new drum and bass mixes... This very issue iz a big problem within the D&B community here. I have certainly seen some of the elitist attitude & I know there iz a solid core of people try'n to change that. Itz BS & itz hurting the D&B scene (& other scenez az well). I'm sorry that happened to you especially after you put all your hardwork & passion into a mix. To have anyone flame in the totally offensive way they did iz unacceptable... BTW, you do know that Donald used to spin D&B primarily waaaaay back in the day? ...and my gurl iz a House DJ & I'm a total Basshead. Seemz you are in really good company with a love for both House & D&B. :D ...I want to get ahold of your mix like really bad now! Post it again on Seattlednb with the title "STOP THE PLAYA HATE'N" :D PEACE! Sog-Dog

[Texel]

I actually think its still up there...if you do a serach for reekoh's posts you should find it pretty quick.

the Live dnb at aristocrats?

fuck, leigh forgot to sign out...uh...this is IrisSilverMoon

[burnt]

sassy...


:D

[travail420]

Originally posted by quickster
Travail....you have to understand though that there are dnb club nights cuz people like me? dont care to hear anything but that, thats why when they started incorporating stuff like dubstep into dnb club nights, a large handful of peeps got vocal about it.....the reason being is that I've been around....I've been given the choice to like other styles of edm but i dont like them except techno and breaks, i dont study them but I like them about as much as those kids that go to dnb shows and dont take it serious....im definatly no techno or breakbeat enthusiast! Keep the dnb nights and stages....dnb...please....
It's hard for me to understand why people feel that they have to protect a scene. I love music. What if I decide to start spinning dnb? Does that open me up to persecution because I want to grow? Last week was a life changer. I spun dnb for the first time. Hanging out at a friends house who spins dnb with some of his peeps. I'm playing some progressive and he hands me a stack of dnb and says," do you think you can mix this?" and kinda laughs at me. I don't know what it was but it just clicked. I had all these cats trippin. Now I'm thinking about picking up some dnb records. So if I get booked to play is this the same welcome I'm going to get? Are the "REAL JUNGLIST'S" going to threaten me? I just don't get it. It reminds me of gangbanging in the late 80's and early 90's. Fighting over a scene like it's turf. And the funny part is muthafucka's don't even own this shit. Who can own a scene?

[burnt]

I bet if Donald Trump and Paris Hilton morphed into one super mutant like walking vagina with great hair that left a slime trail of money behind it, it would totally own a scene.

[travail420]

Originally posted by burnt
I bet if Donald Trump and Paris Hilton morphed into one super mutant like walking vagina with great hair that left a slime trail of money behind it, it would totally own a scene.
I think you could be right.

[k1e0x]

I hope you do, House and DnB happen to be my two favorite types of music.

[Soggy]

Originally posted by k1e0x
I hope you do, House and DnB happen to be my two favorite types of music. I do like D&B and House, but don't tell no one. I don't want that fact to ruin my street cred. Our secret?! :D

[Soggy]

Originally posted by Texel
I actually think its still up there...if you do a serach for reekoh's posts you should find it pretty quick.

the Live dnb at aristocrats?

fuck, leigh forgot to sign out...uh...this is IrisSilverMoon I will search for the mix then, Texel ...if that iz yer real name, I mean, Iris IF THAT IZ YER REAL NAME?!!! :P

[R33koh]

Originally posted by Texel
I actually think its still up there...if you do a serach for reekoh's posts you should find it pretty quick.

the Live dnb at aristocrats?

fuck, leigh forgot to sign out...uh...this is IrisSilverMoon
yes, should still be up.... try not to laugh tooooo hard it was my first dnb mix and it was live

[pjs]

Hey all. Philip/COMPLEX here. Geno I say go ahead and post all the messages WITH names. Shit like that is totally unexceptable and shouldn't be tolerated. Those people don't need to play out.

(Aaaaaand before I go any further... I don't wanna hear any shit about increasing the peace and stop spreading the hate around. If people wanna get their panties all bunched up due to the following soapbox stampede then get mad at me.)

Geno is the homie and a damn good dj

*now put on the earmuffs kids*

I didn't bother reading the 5 pages before hand but I, for one, am sicking fucking tired of A COUPLE of completely insecure douche/scum bags giving OUR (and I do repeat OUR) SEATTLE JUNGLE DRUM AND BASS COMMUNITY a bad rap.

Here's some deep thoughts these guys can let marinate up in their domes and if they wish to get back to me, PLEASE, do so, and do it in person :)

1) Maybe if you didn't fucking SUCK at mixing then you wouldn't be so afraid of other people getting in the mix.

2) More deejays = Mo money for the scene = Mo money for local producers/deejays/promoters etc. Suck on that you short-sighted fuckheads and then shut the fuck up.

3) Use of the term "house fag" is completely and udderly deplorable, especially in todays age/political climate, especially since I know some "house fags" that are undoubtably smarter, more talented, more fun and much much MUCH better looking than you. Way to go with the blanket disparagements to make your tiny cock seem bigger, jack ass.

4) How about you call Zacharia (who plays dubsstep) or Sir Kutz (who plays breaks or just about anyone else a "fag" who "likes" or "plays" different styles of music and see how quickly you get knocked the fuck out or (or more professionally) corrected as to how fucking unintelligent you are... by equating house music and being homosexual with "bad" or "evil" and/or being synonomously negative. Fucking grow up.

*earmuffs disengage*

Sorry guys. I'm just OVER it. this scene isnt for a couple people. its FOR EVERYONE. PERIOD.

Geno bring a demo down to ONSETand give it to one of the boys down there. You will more than likely be booked, that is, if the mix is tight.

BSP- THAT GOES FOR EVERYONE!!!!!

ONSET IS KNOWN AND ALWAYS WILL BE KNOWN FOR SUPPORTING LOCAL/NATIONAL UNDERGROUND DNB TALENT. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU PLAY OTHER GENRES TOO.(II guess some folks just got some extra love to go 'round... right round... like a record baby)

PS- if I happen to know the guys who were/are making the "house fag" comments (which I most likely do), the aforementioned comments still stand... because you guys should know better.

[Soggy]

Originally posted by Reekoh
yes, should still be up.... try not to laugh tooooo hard it was my first dnb mix and it was live Dude. Some assholez really did a number on yer confidence level. You are a tight DJ, dude! Besidez, how many DJz post LIVE mixez? Not many. Thatz a REAL Junglist. RESPEKT! Sog-Dog

[Soggy]

Originally posted by pjs
I don't wanna hear any shit about increasing the peace and stop spreading the hate around. Phil, Increase the Muthafuck'n PEACE & stop spread'n the Muthafuck'n hate around, yo! :D We're all in the same gang, REMEMBER! LOL!

[R33koh]

(This message was in response to my informing this stranger that I spoke to 8 people down in PDX in the dnb scene that had no idea who the guy was or answered that he was just a shit-starter)


dubbfunk424 wrote on 06-12-2007 09:23 AM:

who were the 8 people you talked to.... dj owns and others involved in 1001. you obviously talked to all the kids i dont associate with.

you are a piece of shit fagot. Now why dont you go suck some dick so you can get booked with that house shit

i dont care how much time you spend working out, or how much weight you can lift. your a fagot muscle head. muscles mean shit when it comes down to exchanging fists. you ever fight some one from south of boston?
you probably fight like a fagot too, i bet your the type that likes to grapple and hold and roll around on the ground like a pussy


you get people to book you.... say you will book them, and then you lie and avoid people... you lie about trade bookings and are scandalous.
YOU SPIN HOUSE..... and WANT TO BE known in DNB.. but never will.


i gotta find the racial ones, theyre buried in another long thread since i had erased them from my box without thinking.

[Texel]

Originally posted by Reekoh
(This message was in response to my informing this stranger that I spoke to 8 people down in PDX in the dnb scene that had no idea who the guy was or answered that he was just a shit-starter)



i gotta find the racial ones, theyre buried in another long thread since i had erased them from my box without thinking.

wow that's just deplorable. all introspection about the scene aside, that's just downright mean spirited and inexcusable. that guy should be banned from seattlednb for harassment.

[R33koh]

dubbfunk424 wrote on 05-31-2007 11:36 AM:
i cant wait for you to come to portland C-H-U-M-P!


there was a white guy a black guy and a puerto rican all on a cruise and the black guy was smoking a joint he smokes half of it and throws it in the ocean the puerto rican say why did you do that it was a perfectly good joint the black guy says where i come from there is alot of this here so then the puerto rican was drinking a bottle of wisky and he drinks half and throws the bottle in the ocean the white guy says why did you do that he said because where i come from there is alot of this there then the white guy picks up the pueto rican and throws him in the water the black guy say why did you do that the white guy says because where i come from there are alot of these there.

damn strait...


I fwd'd it to 2 mods and that's as far as it's gotten.

[Chris Lennox]

Originally posted by Reekoh
I dont know ask "State of Mind" and "dubfunkk424" two cases of people I've never met or know anything about.

See, and that's the thing...

I'm a drum and bass dj/producer, and I post predominately on sdnb.com. This is actually my first post on nwtekno.com. Hahaha.

It sucks what's happening in this situation, and I no way condone the actions of these individuls. But please don't let the actions (in this one scenario) define the entire drum and bass community.

I love other genres of music besides dnb as well. I just don't want judgement to be passed on those of us "junglists" who have respect for other genres/musicians. I'm very open all forms of electronic music and new upcoming dj's.

All in all, just don't hate all of us because of the actions of a few people who are ignorant and don't see the whole picture, the people who don't understand the full spectrum of our scene.

Big ups Reekoh!! Fuck the haters, keep playing records bro!

[IrisSilverMoon]

Originally posted by Reekoh
I fwd'd it to 2 mods and that's as far as it's gotten.

which moderators?

If someone's ignoring that then Kristin (kaybee) *needs* to know. I know she wouldn't put up with this kind of behavior.

[dubbfunk424]

its hard to write this all out at work....... cuz i only have internet at work.. and its WORK (trying not to loose my job)


ill say this. I have met Reekoh. and honestly this all stemmed and started from the USC10 post. Where people were requesting artists to play. I may be all about DNB, but i respect a Diverse line up.
Names were getting posted.. PVD.... then RITM... I was like WTF 2 Huge acts, how are they gonna afford some dnb. I made the comment "whats with the 2 huge audio visual trance acts." Then Reekoh here talked down to me.
I am not gona run around looking for the exact post.. But basically said something like, "are you a moron? RITM doesnt play trance!! the play Trance, progresive, breaks, and ambient"
I laughed. cuz.. what ever dude it is trance!
RITM i have seen alot (theyve beeen at parties i have attended, and you always skope out other rooms at massives) at least 10 times.. I dont care if they mix it up with various styles... it is one BIG TRANCE SHOW!!
So basically shit was talked on reekohs behalf towards me, which if you know me sets me off. i saw he was affiliated with 1001 and well i couldnt resist. i think at first i was even nice to reekoh... and said something along the lines of
"being a house dj that wants to play dnb, your not gonna get booked to much being affiliated with 1001" i probably was a bit more rude about it. then Reekoh here was just an asshole calling me trashy etc etc. so then it turned super personal. I let people get to me and i flip.

as for the "racist comment/joke" i didnt know it before i randomly saw it online on a friend of mine (whos puerto rican myspace comments) and i saw reekoh was so it fit the part.

the fact that you got this butthurt you needed to start a thread so people would stick up for you being a crossover dj and hate on me for not liking you is truley pathetic. handle your own shit.



as for people saying those who act LEET are noobs.. well go fuck yourself..
I have been stuck in the dnb and jungle scene since i was 15.... about summer of 1998. it started just going out to this weekly in providence to see dj venom.. well hardcore was eh ok.
but there was the jungle room in the back.... and from that discovery of that back room at 15.. i was stuck. gradually i started going out more and more... right about when i hit 17, i started going to alot more parties and shows.
Pretty much a min 5 nights a week.. attending 2 massive events a week usually with attendence of 2500+. was the scene that kiking back in mass/RI.. no no people... there was a decent scene back then... but you also had to travel.
and not a 2 and a half hour short ass ride to seattle... like 8 hour drives to philly on the drop of a hat because that is where they are having like all of swarm playing with tech itch b2b dylan and reid speed and 2 other dnb headliners...
or driving to the bronx right after you get out of school to see photek or one of the bad ass Breakbeatscience show they used to throw... (about a 4 hour drive, but affterschool there is mad traffic so its more like 6hours) i have been traveling around this country for dnb for like 7 years now.



(this part is just for random info on LEET type folk, people take there shit seriously)
Even though they were kind of a joke (at least in my eyes, even though i knew a bunch of em) Did you knmow there used to be raver gangs? B.T.S. (brooklyn terror squad) Kids were super leet bout there krew DNB and GABBER... Kids would smoke a shhit load of PCP at raves, stand in dark corners all shady like, looking for kids buying or selling drugs.
once they saw some activity, of any type of money substance exchange theyd swoop in, with a group of like 6+ kids check you into a wall or onto the floor and say "BTS, RUN YOUR SHIT!!" and they would ROB YOUR ASS RIGHT THERE... even with cops walking arond the party. i mean are you really gonna fuck with some thugs who are all kinds of dusted...
It was kinda funny shit, looking back at it.


But reekoh...... all i have heard about you is some random shadey shit about trade bookings and you not following through with booking people... after they even paid you.


id like to add... im a bedroom dj. i always have some equipment problem. my shit isnt really up to par (i can admit that).. I dont run around saying i have skills, i dont call myslef a dj. But my heart, my soul, my world is DNB! I am a JUNGLIST till the DAY THAT I DIE!!! i like dubstep and can respect any other music as long as it is talented but DNB IS MY LIFE!!!
so what if your mom accedently got you a goldie record as a kid.. its kinda kool. but how does that entitle you to be dnb. someone in a n earlier post said it... kids who are into dnb make it there life thats why they are jaded and leetest about there sound.
dveote your life to the dnb and its culture for 7 plus years.

[IrisSilverMoon]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424


as for the "racist comment/joke" i didnt know it before i randomly saw it online on a friend of mine (whos puerto rican myspace comments) and i saw reekoh was so it fit the part.



OMG...how moronic, just because your friend thought it was funny and happened to be puerto rican you thought it would be good to share with someone who you were having a beef with?

in what effed up world did you think he would find that funny?

[Chris Lennox]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
its hard to write this all out at work....... cuz i only have internet at work.. and its WORK (trying not to loose my job)


ill say this. I have met Reekoh. and honestly this all stemmed and started from the USC10 post. Where people were requesting artists to play. I may be all about DNB, but i respect a Diverse line up.
Names were getting posted.. PVD.... then RITM... I was like WTF 2 Huge acts, how are they gonna afford some dnb. I made the comment "whats with the 2 huge audio visual trance acts." Then Reekoh here talked down to me.
I am not gona run around looking for the exact post.. But basically said something like, "are you a moron? RITM doesnt play trance!! the play Trance, progresive, breaks, and ambient"
I laughed. cuz.. what ever dude it is trance!
RITM i have seen alot (theyve beeen at parties i have attended, and you always skope out other rooms at massives) at least 10 times.. I dont care if they mix it up with various styles... it is one BIG TRANCE SHOW!!
So basically shit was talked on reekohs behalf towards me, which if you know me sets me off. i saw he was affiliated with 1001 and well i couldnt resist. i think at first i was even nice to reekoh... and said something along the lines of
"being a house dj that wants to play dnb, your not gonna get booked to much being affiliated with 1001" i probably was a bit more rude about it. then Reekoh here was just an asshole calling me trashy etc etc. so then it turned super personal. I let people get to me and i flip.

as for the "racist comment/joke" i didnt know it before i randomly saw it online on a friend of mine (whos puerto rican myspace comments) and i saw reekoh was so it fit the part.

the fact that you got this butthurt you needed to start a thread so people would stick up for you being a crossover dj and hate on me for not liking you is truley pathetic. handle your own shit.



as for people saying those who act LEET are noobs.. well go fuck yourself..
I have been stuck in the dnb and jungle scene since i was 15.... about summer of 1998. it started just going out to this weekly in providence to see dj venom.. well hardcore was eh ok.
but there was the jungle room in the back.... and from that discovery of that back room at 15.. i was stuck. gradually i started going out more and more... right about when i hit 17, i started going to alot more parties and shows.
Pretty much a min 5 nights a week.. attending 2 massive events a week usually with attendence of 2500+. was the scene that kiking back in mass/RI.. no no people... there was a decent scene back then... but you also had to travel.
and not a 2 and a half hour short ass ride to seattle... like 8 hour drives to philly on the drop of a hat because that is where they are having like all of swarm playing with tech itch b2b dylan and reid speed and 2 other dnb headliners...
or driving to the bronx right after you get out of school to see photek or one of the bad ass Breakbeatscience show they used to throw... (about a 4 hour drive, but affterschool there is mad traffic so its more like 6hours) i have been traveling around this country for dnb for like 7 years now.

Even though they were kind of a joke (at least in my eyes, even though i knew a bunch of em) Did you knmow there used to be raver gangs? B.T.S. (brooklyn terror squad) Kids were super leet bout there krew DNB and GABBER... Kids would smoke a shhit load of PCP at raves, stand in dark corners all shady like, looking for kids buying or selling drugs.
once they saw some activity, of any type of money substance exchange theyd swoop in, with a group of like 6+ kids check you into a wall or onto the floor and say "BTS, RUN YOUR SHIT!!" and they would ROB YOUR ASS RIGHT THERE... even with cops walking arond the party. i mean are you really gonna fuck with some thugs who are all kinds of dusted...
It was kinda funny shit, looking back at it.


But reekoh...... all i have heard about you is some random shadey shit about trade bookings and you not following through with booking people... after they even paid you.


id like to add... im a bedroom dj. i always have some equipment problem. my shit isnt really up to par (i can admit that).. I dont run around saying i have skills, i dont call myslef a dj. But my heart, my soul, my world is DNB! I am a JUNGLIST till the DAY THAT I DIE!!! i like dubstep and can respect any other music as long as it is talented but DNB IS MY LIFE!!!
so what if your mom accedently got you a goldie record as a kid.. its kinda kool. but how does that entitle you to be dnb. someone in a n earlier post said it... kids who are into dnb make it there life thats why they are jaded and leetest about there sound.
dveote your life to the dnb and its culture for 7 plus years.

Either way, the comments you've made are unacceptable and offensive. Saying music "faggot shit". What the fuck is that? What does music have to do with someone's sexuality? And why does it matter?

Let's practice some tolerance...

[R33koh]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
dveote your life to the dnb and its culture for 7 plus years.

See, this goes back to this weird consensus about me not having "the right" to spin dnb..... this also reinforces my belief that people like you hate on other genres.

Also "shady trade bookings" or whatever have never been brought to my attention. I've played down there 3 times. Ever.

And about the USC 10 thread thing? RITM?????? I Don't care for them, nor did I post anything about them, you might wanna double check to see who even posted anything about that

................

Besides those minor complaints, how does this justify your opinion that I "am not as dnb as you because I spun house?

[IrisSilverMoon]

Originally posted by Reekoh



Besides those minor complaints, how does this justify your opinion that I "am not as dnb as you because I spun house?

its because you aren't down with the BSE krew!!!!!

respekt!

LOL.

[Loki]

This thread makes me want to play house

[djsence]

Originally posted by Reekoh
rant/drama thread?

LOL

[R33koh]

Originally posted by djsence
LOL

glad you find it entertaining :) thing is, if you despise the thread so much, why bother posting in it?

[djsence]

who said I despised anything?

I just think it is funny you cry about people on the internet to people on the internet. I see it as a huge waste of time and energy, eventhough it is madd comical.

waaa someone is making fun of me and saying racial thing. I can't take it like a man so I will make a thread about it to get people on my side.


boo hoo

get over yourself!

[R33koh]

I won't stoop to responding to your negativity.

It's ok, I forgive you for missing the entire point of this thread.

[dubbfunk424]

Originally posted by Reekoh

Besides those minor complaints, how does this justify your opinion that I "am not as dnb as you because I spun house?

in a sense i never said you cant spin dnb or are not allowed to..... its kinda saying. look your a house dj. prolly a good respected house dj,
But being that, dont try to put yourself out there as DNB DJ, the trend in the NW is local love... I have noticed the kids just love locals
(im pretty sure its cuz the kiddys know locals more personally and look up to the locals... )
so being popular with the little kids its almost as if you want to whore out your skills for popularity. and that is what evil jaded jungle mother fuckers think. Do you know how to look at the situation from other peoples perspectives?
I dont think so....

[dubbfunk424]

Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
its because you aren't down with the BSE krew!!!!!

respekt!

LOL.

Shit reekoh wishes he could be down with BLACK SUN EMPIRE...
I think Everyone wishes they were... BSE is the shit!

[R33koh]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
in a sense i never said you cant spin dnb or are not allowed to..... its kinda saying. look your a house dj. prolly a good respected house dj,
But being that, dont try to put yourself out there as DNB DJ, the trend in the NW is local love... I have noticed the kids just love locals
(im pretty sure its cuz the kiddys know locals more personally and look up to the locals... )
so being popular with the little kids its almost as if you want to whore out your skills for popularity. and that is what evil jaded jungle mother fuckers think. Do you know how to look at the situation from other peoples perspectives?
I dont think so....

who said anything about "putting myself out there as a dnb dj?" i dont see myself as either a house dj or a dnb dj. I spin other people's records and some of my own produced tunes. I spin music. You, along with others of the dnb community, are the ones pigeon-holing people like me in to being "house djs".

but I see you're backtracking now

[dubbfunk424]

How often do you play house or a combination of house/breaks out?

and how often are you booked to play dnb?

[IrisSilverMoon]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
in a sense i never said you cant spin dnb or are not allowed to..... its kinda saying. look your a house dj. prolly a good respected house dj,
But being that, dont try to put yourself out there as DNB DJ, the trend in the NW is local love... I have noticed the kids just love locals
(im pretty sure its cuz the kiddys know locals more personally and look up to the locals... )
so being popular with the little kids its almost as if you want to whore out your skills for popularity. and that is what evil jaded jungle mother fuckers think. Do you know how to look at the situation from other peoples perspectives?
I dont think so....

YOU are the only person in the DnB community that is saying this. Phil has even told reekoh already that if he gets the onset guys a DnB demo that's well mixed they will book him. If you can prove yourself as a good DnB Dj, in addition to playing house, you can get booked. We aren't closed off like that.

no one even knows who the fuck you are.

[djsence]

Originally posted by Reekoh
I won't stoop to responding to your negativity.

It's ok, I forgive you for missing the entire point of this thread.

and I forgive you for being a cry baby.

[IrisSilverMoon]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
Shit reekoh wishes he could be down with BLACK SUN EMPIRE...
I think Everyone wishes they were... BSE is the shit!

BTS...my bad...:rolleyes:

[R33koh]

Originally posted by djsence
and I forgive you for being a cry baby.

:) thanks I have purpose now

[dubbfunk424]

Originally posted by Reekoh
who said anything about "putting myself out there as a dnb dj?" i dont see myself as either a house dj or a dnb dj. I spin other people's records and some of my own produced tunes. I spin music. You, along with others of the dnb community, are the ones pigeon-holing people like me in to being "house djs".

but I see you're backtracking now



Again..... Have you ever tried to view things in other people perspectives?

[R33koh]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
Again..... Have you ever tried to view things in other people perspectives?

what, from the "perspective" that I, as a person, am being judged for being a house dj? yes I totally see it from that "perspective".

regardless of your "perspective"

think that still excuses you for your racist comments?

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
Again..... Have you ever tried to view things in other people perspectives?

Again, using racial slurs to get your point across certainly isn't helping you and your perspective. How is anyone suppose to respect you and your opinion if you bring down to such a low level. Honestly, men are rediculous...

[dubbfunk424]

Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
YOU are the only person in the DnB community that is saying this. Phil has even told reekoh already that if he gets the onset guys a DnB demo that's well mixed they will book him. If you can prove yourself as a good DnB Dj, in addition to playing house, you can get booked. We aren't closed off like that.

no one even knows who the fuck you are.

NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH
pretty much if any one gives any krew who puts on a night a good mix well not even good, just decent mix with out a ton of trainwrecks. they will probably book you for some timeslot..


do i care if anyone on NWTEKNO knows who i am?


i like how lance gave forgiveness for being a cry baby.

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH
pretty much if any one gives any krew who puts on a night a good mix well not even good, just decent mix with out a ton of trainwrecks. they will probably book you for some timeslot..


Go get booked then, I'll come. I'll give you a honest and fair opinion of how you played too, oh, and I won't throw any racial comments at you.

[Texel]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
but how does that entitle you to be dnb. someone in a n earlier post said it... kids who are into dnb make it there life thats why they are jaded and leetest about there sound.
dveote your life to the dnb and its culture for 7 plus years.

wow are you for real? just because you paid hundreds of dollars in tolls to go to east coast parties with shitty soundsystems you're a 1337 junglist who thinks he has a right to talk down to anyone less versed in the scene than you are?

spare me. dnb needs as many fans as it can get, be it casual listeners or dedicated heads. you remember raver gangs. great congrats on being hardcore.

whenever i hear someone say they're a junglist til the day they die it makes me want to shoot myself. dnb is like being in an abusive relationship... the community at large has one of the worst cases of stockholm syndrome i've ever witnessed. quit trying to be hard. it's music ffs. try listening to some other shit once in awhile... if it weren't for creative infusion from other genres, dnb would've disappeared up its own ass long ago (oh wait...)

[dubbfunk424]

Originally posted by Reekoh
what, from the "perspective" that I, as a person, am being judged for being a house dj? yes I totally see it from that "perspective".

regardless of your "perspective"

think that still excuses you for your racist comments?

after you call me trashy, and a girl and numerous other things you had it coming... you can dish random shit out but you cant take it.

and the fact that you had to have a whole thread for people to defend you is pathetic dude.

[littlelimelight]

oh yeah, this thread is so getting locked.

[dubbfunk424]

i never said i was in a raver gang... i was just remembering.......

and shitty sound? i think not... there used to be a shit load of DOPE sound sytems back east......

[djsence]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424


and the fact that you had to have a whole thread for people to defend you is pathetic dude.

Originally posted by Reekoh





hey guys that dubfunk guy finally responded to my thread HAHAHA go check it out


lol

[R33koh]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
after you call me trashy, and a girl and numerous other things you had it coming... you can dish random shit out but you cant take it.

and the fact that you had to have a whole thread for people to defend you is pathetic dude.

if you think the thread is about ME, you've got either a short attention span, a lack of english comprehension, or a walnut for a brain.

My post also encompassed the junglist scene's treatment of people like Aaron Simpson, or even in the reversed role, people like Roddimus.

and yes your myspace actually linked you to a Woman's profile from Rhode Island, hence me thinking you were a woman in real life......

I loved how the thread offered some great viewpoints on this subject until "djsence" and "dubfunk" came in to it :)

[dubbfunk424]

Originally posted by Texel
wow are you for real? just because you paid hundreds of dollars in tolls to go to east coast parties with shitty soundsystems you're a 1337 junglist who thinks he has a right to talk down to anyone less versed in the scene than you are?

spare me. dnb needs as many fans as it can get, be it casual listeners or dedicated heads. you remember raver gangs. great congrats on being hardcore.

whenever i hear someone say they're a junglist til the day they die it makes me want to shoot myself. dnb is like being in an abusive relationship... the community at large has one of the worst cases of stockholm syndrome i've ever witnessed. quit trying to be hard. it's music ffs. try listening to some other shit once in awhile... if it weren't for creative infusion from other genres, dnb would've disappeared up its own ass long ago (oh wait...)

i think i said earlier... i respect other music and genre s as long as its talented...

i cant help it if i have only been able to really listen to dnb for like 7 years( i listen to dubstep too)
sorry buddy, alot of other music just gives me a headache... or gets me really agitated...

[dubbfunk424]

Originally posted by Reekoh
i
I loved how the thread offered some great viewpoints on this subject until "djsence" and "dubfunk" came in to it :)

again... you cant look through others perspectives?
sure great view points from the people who back you up.

if this thread isnt closed maybe we can carry this out later...
I need to get back to work. i have a career.

[IrisSilverMoon]

you're profile says you work in "realistate"?

wtf?

hahahaha!!!!!!!

actually i've noticed so far most people have been pretty supportive of reekoh. TBH, i don't think you are doing much good to the DnB scene at all, i think it would be much better off without you.

[R33koh]

I don't see how the racist comments aren't even being addressed by this guy, kinda like he doesnt even think it was wrong.

This thread wasnt about being dramatic. I sincerely think this is a topic that doesnt get discussed enough but obviously exists enough for this thread to get almost 2,000 views.....

But apparently according to djsence and dubfunk, I brought it up because I'm whining :)

Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
actually i've noticed so far most people have been pretty supportive of reekoh.

and that is considering i know very little of the people posting on this thread in real life.... (and now hope to meet these very friendly, supportive people :) )

[Chris Lennox]

^^^ And I think you're handling this whole situation very well Reekoh...

[dubbfunk424]

yea i work in the comercial real estate industry. i search for and analyze new shopping centers for my company to buy. I lease retail space. and i help manage 35 shopping centers.

and i will be doing good for the dnb scene.. soon enough.. which involves bringing people into the scene.. ;)

[JungulSouljah]

Originally posted by dubbfuck424
and i will be doing good for the dnb scene.. soon enough.. which involves bringing people into the scene.. ;)

Not with this type of behavior.

[IrisSilverMoon]

but you couldn't actually spell "real estate" correctly in your profile?

alienating anyone that might want to come into the scene is NOT the way to go. Who are you planning to bring in?

the way I see it, say Reekoh gets booked to play Onset or something. he brings all his friends out to come see, they see how cool DnB is and start to get into it and go to events. Hopefully they are also going because they see we've been pretty friendly to them and are generally cool people.

see how it works?

if you come across representing like the scene is full of elitist assholes and that rest of us don't know what we are talking about. You're ultimately driving people away. They think, "well if that's what its really like, i don't want to go party with a bunch of snobs who dont like me because i'm not immersed in DnB"

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
again... you cant look through others perspectives?
sure great view points from the people who back you up.

if this thread isnt closed maybe we can carry this out later...
I need to get back to work. i have a career.

Have you ever taken into perspective that Reekoh is a very dark, sometimes people think he's arabian, in sea of white people. Yeah, there's quite a few drum and bass djs/producers who aren't white, but on the whole there's a hell of a lot of white people around...and he fucking sticks out like a sore thumb. Then you come around and make a racist comment to the one brown guy in the room, what did you think was going to happen??

Seriously, if you want to make it about race, I'll take it there. Because I seriously believe there's a lot of racist retards running all over the scene, the fact that people want to ignore it and call people "cry babies" only further proves my point.
This shit needs to be talked about, discussion brings about awareness in my opinion.

[dubbfunk424]

fact of the matter... you are so butthurt about everything..
you started a thread about it, posted my negative Personal messages to you, just so you can get support. quit being such a pussy!
Do i care if half the people posting in this thread i dont know, dont like me. No, because you etheir love me or hate me..

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
Do i care if half the people posting in this thread i dont know, dont like me. No, because you etheir love me or hate me..

Hey that's something Geno would say, and what do you know....You're both SCORPIOS! BWAHAHAHA!

[Nukegrrrl]

I haven't had time to read the whole thread, so I'm sorry if this has been said already. Too many dnb headz get caught up in protecting the image of the scene instead of just enjoying rocking out to dnb with each other.

The prejudices swing the other way, too. I know that Roddimus has played house and chill music at parties with a lot of dnb headz present, and then the headz get all irate and call him "soft" or whatever.

Don't let it get to ya, and/or use an alias when you release dnb mixes.

[dubbfunk424]

Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
but you couldn't actually spell "real estate" correctly in your profile?

alienating anyone that might want to come into the scene is NOT the way to go. Who are you planning to bring in?

the way I see it, say Reekoh gets booked to play Onset or something. he brings all his friends out to come see, they see how cool DnB is and start to get into it and go to events. Hopefully they are also going because they see we've been pretty friendly to them and are generally cool people.

see how it works?

if you come across representing like the scene is full of elitist assholes and that rest of us don't know what we are talking about. You're ultimately driving people away. They think, "well if that's what its really like, i don't want to go party with a bunch of snobs who dont like me because i'm not immersed in DnB"

I like NEVER EVER USE NWTEKNO, and could give 2 shits.. if its misspelled. i use this site to browse upcoming events.
does the way i spelled it on my "nwtekno profile" effect what i do for my company? NO! does it effect my pay? NO! doesit effect my commission? NO!
FUCK OFF!
What do you do for work?

[IrisSilverMoon]

tsk tsk...so touchy.

[tr0llaccount]

bvtog

[dubbfunk424]

im honestly not racist... in the slightest bit.. you may disagree...
but i really did see that posted on a friends myspace comments.. and was like whoa that kid who is pissing me off is puerto rican.. ill send that to him in a PM not thinking just feeding off my anger...

but ill say it again.. by making all my pm's to reekoh public, i will always think of him as a crybaby...

[burnt]

I blow leaves. I'm a leaf blower. *shrug*

its a living...

[DJ DAMIEN D]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424

What do you do for work?
I try to fit in with all the dnb and jungle peeps. My problem is that I can't act hard enough. I even went as far as tipping my cap to a 47 degree angle. The hat just fell off. Oh well.

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
im honestly not racist... in the slightest bit.. you may disagree...
but i really did see that posted on a friends myspace comments.. and was like whoa that kid who is pissing me off is puerto rican.. ill send that to him in a PM not thinking just feeding off my anger...

but ill say it again.. by making all my pm's to reekoh public, i will always think of him as a crybaby...

You used race to specifically piss one person off. You took his race and attacked him with it, HOW IS THAT NOT RACIST???

[JungulSouljah]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
I like NEVER EVER USE NWTEKNO, and could give 2 shits.. if its misspelled. i use this site to browse upcoming events.
does the way i spelled it on my "nwtekno profile" effect what i do for my company? NO! does it effect my pay? NO! doesit effect my commission? NO!
FUCK OFF!
What do you do for work?
I think you're trying to use the word AFFECT. :D

[dubbfunk424]

Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
tsk tsk...so touchy.

??? im waiting for your response? what do you do?

[IrisSilverMoon]

Well if you must know, i"m a housing case manager.

I help people who are going through different court systems find perminant or temporary housing.

[burnt]

Originally posted by DJ DAMIEN D
I try to fit in with all the dnb and jungle peeps. My problem is that I can't act hard enough. I even went as far as tipping my cap to a 47 degree angle. The hat just fell off. Oh well.

you have to scowl bro.

you think those kids with their hats on at 45 degree angles thuggin lookin hard are scowling just for show? no way, just the posers.

the true heads are actually flexing their eyebrow muscles like really really hard so they can keep their caps balanced like that.

this is also why all the true hardcore junglist heads quit drinking beer and started drinking fruity cocktail drinks. they need the straw.

[JungulSouljah]

lawl.:)

[JustJohn]

I started out spinning house......

then i started spinning Hip-Hop and Breaks

then I started mixing Dubstep

and then I finally got around too mixxing Jungle



Spin what you want.....House/Jungle/Breaks/Dub/Hip-Hop = THE SAME FUCKIN THING! All electronic dance music has a 4/4 Time sig the only differences are the beat structures and the sounds used during production

Peace

[DJ DAMIEN D]

Originally posted by burnt
you have to scowl bro.

you think those kids with their hats on at 45 degree angles thuggin lookin hard are scowling just for show? no way, just the posers.

the true heads are actually flexing their eyebrow muscles like really really hard so they can keep their caps balanced like that.

this is also why all the true hardcore junglist heads quit drinking beer and started drinking fruity cocktail drinks. they need the straw.
hahahaha

[DJ DAMIEN D]

Originally posted by JustJohn
[B}

Spin what you want.....House/Jungle/Breaks/Dub/Hip-Hop = THE SAME FUCKIN THING!

Peace [/B]
iT'S ALL TECHNO TO ME

[dubbfunk424]

Originally posted by littlelimelight
You used race to specifically piss one person off. You took his race and attacked him with it, HOW IS THAT NOT RACIST???


i hear racist shit all fucking day long... im jewish.. i hear people make jew comments all damn day.i dont get all but hurt...

again i didnt make the joke up or go around searching for something like that... saw it.. thought.. woa coincidence and didnt think.

[dubbfunk424]

Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
Well if you must know, i"m a housing case manager.

I help people who are going through different court systems find perminant or temporary housing.

well no doubt... good deal..

i also help out with this non-profit group that gives inner city potential risk kids mentors in the business world.

[travail420]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
well no doubt... good deal..

i also help out with this non-profit group that gives inner city potential risk kids mentors in the business world.
That's great, so act like a mentor.

[dubbfunk424]

and i used to help out with this other organization that helps special needs kids with out homes, get adopted by good families.. (that was just more helping organize fund raisers...

but im a really really good person, unless you just do what ever you can to get me pissed.... people seem to see i get pissed easy and then just keep pushing my buttons


all and all, i am jaded, i have been there and done that.. know what i like, know what i dont...

[dubbfunk424]

Originally posted by travail420
That's great, so act like a mentor.

like i said.. people realize they can get me pissed easily and go for it!

[R33koh]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
like i said.. people realize they can get me pissed easily and go for it!

still doesn't justify your racism

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
i hear racist shit all fucking day long... im jewish.. i hear people make jew comments all damn day.i dont get all but hurt...

again i didnt make the joke up or go around searching for something like that... saw it.. thought.. woa coincidence and didnt think.

yeah, I'm sure it was such a coincidence. :rolleyes:

Just because you happen to be jewish doesn't mean you can't be racist either...and just because you know people making racist comments doesn't make it alright for you to make them as well...that's absurd. You are just perpetuating racism in this country by ignoring the problem when it arises and using slurs when some just so happens to piss you off in the least bit.

[djsence]

Originally posted by Reekoh
if i can't laugh at my own inner-beaner what can i laugh at?

[R33koh]

yep i laugh at my cultural heritage at times in good spirit, but that's me making my own observations on my own culture, not a racial slur targeted at myself or anybody else

do you know the difference?

Oh that's right, your (again) posting, making some sort of attempt at making a point?

I fail to see what that is, and any other attempt at posting in this thread is accopmlishing for you, save for a momentary shot at temporary glory by insulting me? :)

[littlelimelight]

^^ Dude how long did it take you to find that?

Point is, if you take a racist comment/joke and say it out of hate and anger....There's going to be a backlash. PERIOD. Wouldn't you get mad if someone said a racist comment out of anger to you? Probably. and personally racism is something I studied a lot in college and I did my thesis on African American women in television. So it's something I talk about and something I'm passionate about. I will challenge you if you bring up in a negative light..it's just part of who I am I guess.

[R33koh]

Originally posted by littlelimelight
^^ Dude how long did it take you to find that?


I know, i said that days, maybe weeks ago.

Maybe you should apply that same dedication in finding old posts by me to twist around and purposely misinterpret in to your DJ'ing/Mixing. :)

[littlelimelight]

^^Geno stop being mean.

[R33koh]

Originally posted by littlelimelight
^^Geno stop being mean.

I'm not implying anything other than that his focus should be better served elsewhere. Maybe I should have clarified

[b-eazyy]

KILL WHITEY!!!

[littlelimelight]

Yeah right meany pants. ;)

Everyone should put forth their best effort to get along. Life is too short. Don't get me wrong, people should be called out when they "fuck up" or say something stupid. But this scene is entirely too small to have so much hatred and lines drawn. People need to work together and not alienate.

[R33koh]

Originally posted by littlelimelight
Yeah right meany pants. ;)

Everyone should put forth their best effort to get along. Life is too short. Don't get me wrong, people should be called out when they "fuck up" or say something stupid. But this scene is entirely too small to have so much hatred and lines drawn. People need to work together and not alienate.

hence the purpose of this entire thread to begin with :D

[quickster]

http://www.roflcats.com/images/0054.jpg

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by b-eazyy
KILL WHITEY!!!

You're first. ;)

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by quickster
http://www.roflcats.com/images/0054.jpg

That cat SERIOUSLY scares the shit out of me. It gives me nightmares...

[R33koh]

cats are awesome

[meeotch]

Originally posted by quickster
http://www.roflcats.com/images/0054.jpg

Big ups on the cat. Sorry I don't have anything productive to say on the topic. I've been riveted to it though. I just have little experience with the dnb community. I stand on the side of the joy of personal musical espression, in whatever form feels right to you.

[djsence]

Originally posted by littlelimelight
^^ Dude how long did it take you to find that?


about 5 seconds

maybe less.


the search function is pretty easy to use:)

[dubbfunk424]

may i point out again... you cant handle your own problems and beefs... and had to make a public forum about it.

i can understand if you were being professional about the thread.. and wanted to truly discuss the crossover dj issue...

but this is obviously a "im butthurt, and i need support thread"
posting every little thing i said to you..
Grow up! this isnt High School

[R33koh]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
may i point out again... you cant handle your own problems and beefs... and had to make a public forum about it.

i can understand if you were being professional about the thread.. and wanted to truly discuss the crossover dj issue...

but this is obviously a "im butthurt, and i need support thread"
posting every little thing i said to you..
Grow up! this isnt High School

.....and that post right there just confirms to me, that you just don't get it......

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
may i point out again... you cant handle your own problems and beefs... and had to make a public forum about it.

i can understand if you were being professional about the thread.. and wanted to truly discuss the crossover dj issue...

but this is obviously a "im butthurt, and i need support thread"
posting every little thing i said to you..
Grow up! this isnt High School

Oh yeah, and saying a racist comment because someone made your undies twist is so mature! Dude, just stop, you are only making yourself look bad.

[burnt]

ham.

pants.

[Chris Lennox]

Originally posted by littlelimelight
That cat SERIOUSLY scares the shit out of me. It gives me nightmares...

http://lolcats.com/images/u/07/22/lolcatsdotcomd37hvin5fhctw8ia.jpg

This one won't...

[xshank667x]

http://www.roflcats.com/images/0222.jpg

[littlelimelight]

^^ I love that kitty picture.

[Jaywest]

quit being a pussy reekoh...

come out an talk in person! there are no dnb elitist ! that shit is made up for pussy's who cant communicate!

[pjs]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
may i point out again... you cant handle your own problems and beefs... and had to make a public forum about it.

i can understand if you were being professional about the thread.. and wanted to truly discuss the crossover dj issue...

but this is obviously a "im butthurt, and i need support thread"
posting every little thing i said to you..
Grow up! this isnt High School

Dude...

Everyone could seriously give a FUCK about how long you supposedly have been around, who you supposedly know, what fucking homeless kids shelter you used to work at, or if you are a "Boston Grappler" (LOL). So...

YOU AINT COOL

NO ONE IS AFRAID OF YOU

STFU

[Soggy]

Originally posted by quickster
http://www.roflcats.com/images/0054.jpg Oh SNAP!

[DJ_Lukki]

So I havent seen anything posted about what State of Mind (Mike) said to you, Geno. That is more important to me than a fight between someone in Seattle and another in Portland.

Mike is part of a group who throws small jungle parties at the loft on 1st ave, they have one coming up soon, too. Givin the tiny amount he has contributed in anyway to advancing dnb it would be a shame to hear about him acting like this again.

Sometimes when people know they really dont belong in or give anything back to a community they claim to be a part of they get threatened easily by change, because it has taken them so long to finally feel like they belong. Its a shame, but people that have no talent and are full of hate fear of being exposed as such.

I do expect all of you from Seattlednb to follow through with your comments, btw. Stop supporting assholes who arguably do more harm than good in Seattle.

[dubbfunk424]

Originally posted by pjs
Dude...

Everyone could seriously give a FUCK about how long you supposedly have been around, who you supposedly know, what fucking homeless kids shelter you used to work at, or if you are a "Boston Grappler" (LOL). So...

YOU AINT COOL

NO ONE IS AFRAID OF YOU

STFU

i never said anyone was afraid of me...
i never dissed onset.

this was a thread suposed to discuss crossover djs.. and its technically targeted at me and the beef i have with some one...

i never dropped names of people i know...

so i dont know what your all pissed for.. ?



How far away from the topic of crossover djs can we get...??

Like i said.... you all shoulda just made a thread calling me a shmuck.
this is ridiculous!

[burnt]

dude, why are you dissing onset?

[dubbfunk424]

i wasnt dissing onset, didnt diss onset, and wouldnt diss onset.
fuck off eric

[djsence]

LOL x 10

[burnt]

thats not what I heard.

I heard you were all, like, going... whatever..

[Soggy]

Originally posted by Texel
wow are you for real? just because you paid hundreds of dollars in tolls to go to east coast parties with shitty soundsystems you're a 1337 junglist who thinks he has a right to talk down to anyone less versed in the scene than you are?

spare me. dnb needs as many fans as it can get, be it casual listeners or dedicated heads. you remember raver gangs. great congrats on being hardcore.

whenever i hear someone say they're a junglist til the day they die it makes me want to shoot myself. dnb is like being in an abusive relationship... the community at large has one of the worst cases of stockholm syndrome i've ever witnessed. quit trying to be hard. it's music ffs. try listening to some other shit once in awhile... if it weren't for creative infusion from other genres, dnb would've disappeared up its own ass long ago (oh wait...) I'm so gangsta! ...Best Rekognize!

[burnt]

thats actually one of the more complex level 10 yoga moves. dissapearing your own head up your ass. you gotta be pretty zen to shove your head that far up your own ass. I'm still working on sucking my own dick and let me tell you the neck cramps are fucking MURDER!

don't hate on people with heads up their asses. thats all I'm sayin..

[dubbfunk424]

HERE IS THE TITLE OF THE THREAD
"Does spinning house mean I don't have a "right" to spin DnB?"

why does the drama that goes on between me and the topic starter have to be posted all on this thread?

if you want to discuss the issue of Does spinning house mean I don't have a "right" to spin DnB? Discuss away. im all for a discussion on it...
but not when its just putting my beef on the table for everyone to know, its not right. my beef is my beef.

DISCUSS your topic

[Soggy]

Originally posted by DJ_Lukki
So I havent seen anything posted about what State of Mind (Mike) said to you, Geno. That is more important to me than a fight between someone in Seattle and another in Portland.

Mike is part of a group who throws small jungle parties at the loft on 1st ave, they have one coming up soon, too. Givin the tiny amount he has contributed in anyway to advancing dnb it would be a shame to hear about him acting like this again.

Sometimes when people know they really dont belong in or give anything back to a community they claim to be a part of they get threatened easily by change, because it has taken them so long to finally feel like they belong. Its a shame, but people that have no talent and are full of hate fear of being exposed as such.

I do expect all of you from Seattlednb to follow through with your comments, btw. Stop supporting assholes who arguably do more harm than good in Seattle. I'll kick it with Mike or YOU for that matter anyday no matter whut y'allz say but if yer fuckin up I'll tell you how it iz then buy you a drink. Thatz how I roll!

[R33koh]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
HERE IS THE TITLE OF THE THREAD
"Does spinning house mean I don't have a "right" to spin DnB?"

why does the drama that goes on between me and the topic starter have to be posted all on this thread?

if you want to discuss the issue of Does spinning house mean I don't have a "right" to spin DnB? Discuss away. im all for a discussion on it...
but not when its just putting my beef on the table for everyone to know, its not right. my beef is my beef.

DISCUSS your topic

you brought up the fact tha tI didn't "belong" in dnb and on this very thread posted that you were more "dnb" than anybody on it.....

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by burnt
thats actually one of the more complex level 10 yoga moves. dissapearing your own head up your ass. you gotta be pretty zen to shove your head that far up your own ass. I'm still working on sucking my own dick and let me tell you the neck cramps are fucking MURDER!

don't hate on people with heads up their asses. thats all I'm sayin..

BWAHAHA! You're the best Burnt! You should tell that one to your son.

[Soggy]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
i never said anyone was afraid of me...
i never dissed onset.

this was a thread suposed to discuss crossover djs.. and its technically targeted at me and the beef i have with some one...

i never dropped names of people i know...

so i dont know what your all pissed for.. ?



How far away from the topic of crossover djs can we get...??

Like i said.... you all shoulda just made a thread calling me a shmuck.
this is ridiculous! Oh! NOW ITZ ON! ...SET...

[burnt]

http://www.kxmc.com/UserFiles/%7B24E2E918-AD71-42C9-913E-B97C73941FA1%7Dkx_ss_beef.jpg

http://www.mchenrycountyblog.com/uploaded_images/Bumper%20STicker-Beef%20It's%20what's%20for%20dinner-755473.jpg

http://www.illinoisbeef.com/images/E0116101/Whats-for-dinner.jpg

http://www.springvalleyfarms.com/beef.gif

http://www.filmguru.net/filmlog/uploaded_images/sam-725000.jpg

[b-eazyy]

KILL WHITEY

[Loki]

yum beef

[dubbfunk424]

my point is.. dnb=life to me.. i have devoted so much time and energy to it

reekoh... i never said you have no right to spin dnb...
if anything to be pissed about, be pissed about me dissing your affiliation.

this thread is your way to get the whole community to be against/attack me for dissing you..

and personally i figured you to be a bigger man than that.

[djsteel]

^^
You are an idiot. Get off of NWTekno. You don't belong.


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lol

[burnt]

what does 1001 have to do with it? we don't let dirty puerto ricans into our crew, especially from crappy ass seattle.

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by dubbfunk424
my point is.. dnb=life to me.. i have devoted so much time and energy to it

reekoh... i never said you have no right to spin dnb...
if anything to be pissed about, be pissed about me dissing your affiliation.

this thread is your way to get the whole community to be against/attack me for dissing you..

and personally i figured you to be a bigger man than that.

Dude, just stop. It's over, it's done with. Stop being a cock and do yourself and everyone else a favor, think before you speak and don't go spitting off racist comments because you got mad and ultimately because you hate Jesse Owns.

[burnt]

Originally posted by littlelimelight
Dude, just stop. It's over, it's done with. Stop being a cock and do yourself and everyone else a favor, think before you speak and don't go spitting off racist comments because you got mad and ultimately because you hate Jesse Owns.

its pretty much a fact that everyone who ever had a problem with our crew was just being racist. I think that was proven in some test lab up at OHSU.

[Amberella]

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[xshank667x]

Most people hate Jesse LOL

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by burnt
its pretty much a fact that everyone who ever had a problem with our crew was just being racist. I think that was proven in some test lab up at OHSU.

Yep, they don't like Puerto Ricans or American Eskimos....;)

[djsence]

Originally posted by burnt
its pretty much a fact that everyone who ever had a problem with our crew was just being racist. I think that was proven in some test lab up at OHSU.

ITS TRUE, HONKEY

http://www.altairtech.com/StoreImages/Dept1/Area4/LabResultsReport.gif

[burnt]

Originally posted by littlelimelight
Yep, they don't like Puerto Ricans or American Eskimos....;)

I'm not an American Eskimo, I'm actually a Norwegian Eskimo. thats why I've got shades of red in my beard.

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by burnt
I'm not an American Eskimo, I'm actually a Norwegian Eskimo. thats why I've got shades of red in my beard.

Hey I'm 1/4 norweigian too! but not the eskimo part...Did my people oppress your people? If so, I'm sorry about that. I'll buy you a beer for your troubles. :D