Drug rehab, does it work?

[djsence]

does rehab work?

Share yur experiences please.

Also do you think tax payers should be footing the bill or should it be funded privatly?

[xshank667x]

I think that if someone doesnt have the strength and will power to over come their addictions, than they deserve to have their addiction.

Yes that pretty fucked up...but that's my opinion.

[No_Spin]

Originally posted by djsence
does rehab work?


depeneds on the facility, the addict, and your definition of "work"

[No_Spin]

and i have no problem with taxes going towards it. but place for it than others

[travail420]

Rehab? Rehab's for quiters.

[dislocatedlogic]

Originally posted by No_Spin
depeneds on... the addict and your definition of "work"

These are spot on.

[djsence]

Originally posted by No_Spin
and i have no problem with taxes going towards it.

well it seems to me the ones that use tax payer funded rehab are the ones atht are getting busted by the police. They were out looking for their next score and not seeking to fix their addiction. So the majority just fall back into the same routine they were in before the rehab. so basically the money just gets wasted.

however those who seek out help for their addiction and pay for thier own rehab are more then likely to stick with being clean IMO

[djed]

when you have an excessivly addictive personality you will likely displace your addiction from one to the next, but hey whatever works to make life more enjoyable !

ive noticed as well that recovering addicts are prime targets for kooky churches, cults, and scientologists

[Mulder]

People that whine about their addictions need to eat a cock.

[flumP]

it isnt really a question of does rehab work. the real question is DOES PRISON WORK?

[IrisSilverMoon]

Rehab can be pretty beneficial as long as someone is commited to quitting their addiction. If you have a big blowout right before you enter or spend the whole time contemplating doing drugs when you get out, you probably aren't ready and you've wasted either your money or someone elses.

I would rather have my tax money go to rehab than the war on drugs. At least rehab is somewhat effective.

[TappingAss]

I need rehab for my TV watching addiction.

[xshank667x]

I think Lance needs to go to Rehab...

He's been smoking alot of pole lately

:p

[***DRUKORE***]

as someone who has gone to rehab, I can only speak for myself....

it helped me a lot. it got me to say a lot of stuff out loud that I needed to be more honest about and to say in front of people who were on the same road. there is something really liberating about speaking your mind to strangers who can understand you instantly, your excuses, your reasoning, your logic.....

but some people it isn't doesn't work for. I just believe that if you wanna quit, you will. and you'll find any means necessary to quit, no matter how bad the addiction. I've beaten 3 addictions in my life. I'm no different than anyone else. I have the same amount of will power as the next guy.

I just CHOSE to use it. if you choose to quit, and to have rehab work for you, it will work.

if you don't wanna quit, and you don't care about rehab, you won't quit. simple as that. and you don't even need rehab to get to that point. all the power in the world comes from within, which means you control it all. because the only thing you have control over is yourself.

[Mulder]

All the power in the world is in my pants.

[meeotch]

Originally posted by Mulder
All the power in the world is in my pants.

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You mean your teacup

[xshank667x]

bwahahaha

[pretylc]

Originally posted by djsence


however those who seek out help for their addiction and pay for thier own rehab are more then likely to stick with being clean IMO

I think so too because they're footing the bill AND it seems that those that seek out help are really serious about it versus the druggie who is forced into rehab because they got caught.

However with celebrities in rehab these days, it seems like a vacation fad. That is sad considering there are people that really do need help and it most certainly is not a fad for them.

[dislocatedlogic]

Originally posted by pretylc
I think so too because they're footing the bill AND it seems that those that seek out help are really serious about it versus the druggie who is forced into rehab because they got caught.

However with celebrities in rehab these days, it seems like a vacation fad. That is sad considering there are people that really do need help and it most certainly is not a fad for them.

That's why I agree with ending the "War On Drugs" and using those millions and millions of dollars to help fund rehabilitation programs. What's the point of forcing people to go to rehab? That doesn't magically make their drug resources disappear, nor does it even enlighten them to the fact they have a problem. Hell, most of the time, they develop an aversion to cops.

As for the celebrity issue... It's a lifestyle of constant business and image. If your use is discovered and made public, you have to try to save face by admitting your "lifetime of hurt and misunderstanding" and go into rehab for a couple of weeks. Most of the time, this means taking some time off to visit a spa-- er, rehab clinic.

[Jizosh]

There's false logic in your question to begin with.

Rehab isn't a magic bean that's going to make you in control if your life. You need to be willing to work harder than you've probably ever worked in your life to turn your shit around. And it's true you don't need a rehab facility to do that, but it can be a great foundation on which to build your recovery.

[spazmunkee]

rehab only works if you want it to, hell i did a year and seven months of rehab befor i turned 16, (and before i tryed drugs too)

and what do you know i still smoke pot.

coincidence? i think not. rehab isnt fun, they break you down mentally till you hit your breaking point, then they feed you their info.

it works if you (jerk) work it.

[~Bliss~]

Yeah, I agree with a lot of what is being said. I have a few friends who have gone in for both reasons. The people who chose to go almost all of them are clean now. There are a few who let themselves be talked into "no man, weed isn't bad for you!" and ended up starting the cycle over again. I think if you are a drug addict it's kind of in your blood and you will ALWAYS struggle with it. No need to give yourself a chance to slip back in.
And then I've known 3 people who were forced into rehab. And when they got out they were right back at it.

I just recently quit smoking cigs. I guess the best analogy I can come up with is that you just can't quit anything until you, yourself, truly wants to do it.

Have you guys ever watched that show Intervention on A&E? It's crazy, but actually kind of sheds light on the people who are addicts. They don't want to pain their family and hurt themselves, they just don't know how to quit or how to WANT to quit. Its a pretty crazy show.

[Hukt On Wax]

it all comes down to weather or not the person wants to get clean..all the rehab in the world won't do shit unless the user wants to get clean on their own decision...


trust me... and thats all i gotta say about that

[The_waterMAN]

I did a little bit of rehab my senior year in school.... I thought the group=therapy format that I did it in was ridiculous. They put about fifteen of us in one room and we all knew we had in one thing in common.... you people can draw your own conclusions of what that entailed.

[***DRUKORE***]

Originally posted by Hukt On Wax
it all comes down to weather or not the person wants to get clean..all the rehab in the world won't do shit unless the user wants to get clean on their own decision...


trust me... and thats all i gotta say about that

agreed.

it's funny when I talk to people who wanna quit and they use every excuse in the world not to (I used to use them all also lol)......my first thing to say to them is
"you get high because you choose to....."
"you get drunk because you choose to..."
in which they will state that it's life that's doing it to them.
my reponse, which I love....
"So then how come I don't get high to cope with life?"

That usually shuts them up pretty quick. It's all choice. It's the only thing you have control over. I stopped a heavy alcohol problem, a drug addiction and smoking cigs for 12 years cold turkey out of choice. I just got fed up withthe results of the choices I was making.

[Tronic]

One other thing to keep in mind for someone that goes to rehab for whatever reason, drugs / gambling / sex / etc. is that they need to make adjustments to their social life following rehab in order to affect positive change properly.

Too often you can have people with good intentions of getting clean, but then they fall right back in with the same friends they had before rehab, and most often those friends will still be users or dealers or both. Not the kind of support or environment you want to be in when you are trying to stay clean yourself.

And I think someone else noted that there are people that do tend to have more of an 'addictive personality' than most. Unfortunately, the possibility of a transferred addiction with those people is very high, so they need to be especially conscious of their social network and recreational choices in order not to simply repeat their addictive pattern with another substance / activity what have you.

[IrisSilverMoon]

Originally posted by ~Bliss~

Have you guys ever watched that show Intervention on A&E? It's crazy, but actually kind of sheds light on the people who are addicts. They don't want to pain their family and hurt themselves, they just don't know how to quit or how to WANT to quit. Its a pretty crazy show.

I haven't actually seen that show yet, but one of the counselors at SMH was NOT impressed with the show, she thought the whole thing was *really* triggering and inappropriate.

[djed]

Originally posted by Tronic
One other thing to keep in mind for someone that goes to rehab for whatever reason, drugs / gambling / sex / etc. is that they need to make adjustments to their social life following rehab in order to affect positive change properly.

Too often you can have people with good intentions of getting clean, but then they fall right back in with the same friends they had before rehab, and most often those friends will still be users or dealers or both. Not the kind of support or environment you want to be in when you are trying to stay clean yourself.

And I think someone else noted that there are people that do tend to have more of an 'addictive personality' than most. Unfortunately, the possibility of a transferred addiction with those people is very high, so they need to be especially conscious of their social network and recreational choices in order not to simply repeat their addictive pattern with another substance / activity what have you.

I think you know my friend Thad....enough said.

[Hukt On Wax]

the only thing i want to know with all the advent "non-drug users" on the board how many of them drink?

[~Bliss~]

Hukt On Wax the only thing i want to know with all the advent "non-drug users" on the board how many of them drink?

I think there is a difference between junkies and social drinkers. But yes, alcoholism is a type of addiction too. To settle your question.

[Mulder]

I switched from doing drugs to jerking off to amputee women.

It's worked so far.

[IrisSilverMoon]

Originally posted by ~Bliss~
I think there is a difference between junkies and social drinkers. But yes, alcoholism is a type of addiction too. To settle your question.

i think the question was more of, with all these people adamantly claiming NOT to do drugs, how many of them use the drug alcohol?

kind of hypocritical don't you think? I mean, alcohol is a drug, it shouldn't be played down at all, it has some pretty nasty long term/short term effects.

[More Wise]

i went to rehab when i was 16 and when they release you they point you towards 12 step programs. just about all of them do this because the 12 step programs aa and na are the largest communities of recovering afflictions. it has little or nothing to do with their actual success. no matter what you do only about 5% stop for good. if you believe in a higher power, or go see a psychiatrist, or become a hermit. the most you can hope for is 5%.

after partying for years after words -like i said i would all throughout rehab- i was clean and sober for 3 years not even pot. i scored what i thought was a great job out of town, with a lot of potential and needed a place to stay, that place required me to be clean and sober, not just sober when i was home or come home fucked up and sleep it off. i suppose i could've gotten fucked up and returned a couple days later, but it made it much simpler to remain sober.

i was able to improve my life significantly and cut off those that did not support my best interests. i gained a lot of clarity during that time. who my friends really were etc.

after about 2 months sober my father was diagnosed with lung cancer which was difficult to say the least, i was able to find solitude and genuine support amongst the people i had met in the 12 step programs.

today, i drink and enjoy my time while inebriated, i spend my time responsibly and smoke pot occasionally. when i say occasionally i mean every couple of months ill smoke some with family members or close friends. where as before i would smoke pot all day every day and drink only for the effects it gave me. i no longer partake in the numerous psychedelics i used to, mostly because i found them to no longer be as much fun or as exciting as they used to be and when i was still using them, after i didn't want to anymore i was simply using them to escape the realities of life. not to mention the judicial risk just possessing such substances. you can go to prison for a very long time for having very small amounts if you don't narc on someone. some of my friends are still in prison today. sorry, but i enjoy my rectum cutting turds correctly. i thought i would never get caught and i didn't. i cannot say the same for others. and yes people really do get ass raped in prison its not just in the movies and often times it doesn't matter who you know.

so, rehab works if you want it to and i think its a viable alternative to being at the whim of genuine sociopaths as a resolution. i think rehab should be the first step in resolving criminal activities resulting from addiction, however i think harsh punishment is necessary for those that do not take it seriously as an alternative -those that use it rather than utilize it-.

my reasoning is quite simple and follows my own experience, drug dealers are not by and large honorable people, some are and most aren't, if they were honest, they would have honest jobs like the rest of us.

so in conclusion, if you want to stop and don't know how, or need a real break from the life and circle of people you've put yourself in give it a shot, at the very least you'll be able to take a good look at your life and what you want from it.

it is your life after all and not theirs right?

ps i left alot out, but if you would like to know more or want some connections to good people and or programs feel free to pm me, ill be completely honest with you and will not sugar coat a thing. when it comes to life and death matters like addiction i am always very very real.

-more wise.

[*LyNnZ*]

OK so rehab is all about how you make it and if you work the programs and want to actually be sober..
rehab doesnt make you sober
rehab makes you learn and be fucking drug smart and gets you away from drugs if you chose and really want to be clean you will..
The first time i went in for 54 days and another outdoor rehab for 75 afterwards i was sober fpr like 4 maybe 5 monthes then i went back to raves another 2 1/2 years later im back in rehab for 30 days lol so rehab isnt like some appliance that just works for you.. you have to work it and want to change...
or at least thats what i think.

[taya50]

rehab only works if you're at the point where you can quit on your own. Rehab just gives you a path

[quickster]

Why would I ever admit that I was powerless over a drug? Or powerless over anything? No.....rehab is just for weak minded quitters.

[Tronic]

I think that most NA and AA programs are bullshit as they try to push some Jesus shit on you while you are there.

I went with a friend to his first AA meeting to be his support, and after one meeting he decided to never go back, and I supported that decision as the meeting was pretty much a big waste of time.

On a little side note / rant....I HATE what this fucking administration has done by pushing more social services and money at religious organizations. All these people do is hold you hostage to your needs in order to cram their bullshit down your throat.

"Oh, hey homeless dude, are you hungry? If you come listen to my story about my imaginary friend, then I might give you a sandwich and some pamphlets to go hand out to your buddies"

:rolleyes:

[xshank667x]

If you smoke Jesus' pole, you wont want to smoke rocks anymore.

[chronwaxjoseph]

Originally posted by Tronic
I think that most NA and AA programs are bullshit as they try to push some Jesus shit on you while you are there.

I went with a friend to his first AA meeting to be his support, and after one meeting he decided to never go back, and I supported that decision as the meeting was pretty much a big waste of time.

On a little side note / rant....I HATE what this fucking administration has done by pushing more social services and money at religious organizations. All these people do is hold you hostage to your needs in order to cram their bullshit down your throat.

"Oh, hey homeless dude, are you hungry? If you come listen to my story about my imaginary friend, then I might give you a sandwich and some pamphlets to go hand out to your buddies"

:rolleyes:


Wow, way to be narrow minded there bud.

As someone with a lot of experience in this matter let me enlighten everyone to the realities of the difference between AA/NA and rehab.

First of all, AA does not "push" Jesus bullshit on you, it's simply talks about "GOD", not once have I ever heard Jesus in a meeting. It's all relating to a higher power, whatever that may be for you.

Second, AA does work for a lot of people. I would hardly say that going to one meeting and judging people there constitutes knowing what the program is about. I've been there myself, and have seen many professional people that have alcohol/drug problems that are going on 20+ years of sobriety, so you can't say that it's bullshit can you?? I think the proper thing to say would be, it's not something that I feel would work for me. There is a lot of comfort in finding that there are people from all walks of life that have the same struggles that you do.

In comparing the difference between the two, I feel that rehab is more a place that people are forced into going to, which is not all bad and can be beneficial. I also believe that rehab is a great place to have a safe detox if you are a hard drug user and have no where else to do it.

In a nutshell, I'd say that rehab is a great beginning phase of recovery and AA or out-patient therapy would be a great follow-up. Things work differently for everyone, and as long as you keep your mind open, the possibilities are endless.

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by Tronic
I think that most NA and AA programs are bullshit as they try to push some Jesus shit on you while you are there.

I went with a friend to his first AA meeting to be his support, and after one meeting he decided to never go back, and I supported that decision as the meeting was pretty much a big waste of time.

On a little side note / rant....I HATE what this fucking administration has done by pushing more social services and money at religious organizations. All these people do is hold you hostage to your needs in order to cram their bullshit down your throat.

"Oh, hey homeless dude, are you hungry? If you come listen to my story about my imaginary friend, then I might give you a sandwich and some pamphlets to go hand out to your buddies"

:rolleyes:

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[*LyNnZ*]

Originally posted by quickster
Why would I ever admit that I was powerless over a drug? Or powerless over anything? No.....rehab is just for weak minded quitters.

thats sooo lame and wrong :mad:

you dont have to be weak minded if you want to actually stop doing drugs but your bhooked on them since you've been doing them for a long period of time.

[xshank667x]

I call bullshit.

I didnt have to go to rehab to overcome my addictions. I think that rehab is for people that are to fucking weak to quit themselves. Shit I was addicted for years, wasted all my money, but I fucking got over it MYSELF, with NO ONES HELP.

If someone is to weak to stop their addiction, then they deserve to have it and hit rock bottom.

[djed]

Originally posted by xshank667x
I call bullshit.

I didnt have to go to rehab to overcome my addictions. I think that rehab is for people that are to fucking weak to quit themselves. Shit I was addicted for years, wasted all my money, but I fucking got over it MYSELF, with NO ONES HELP.

If someone is to weak to stop their addiction, then they deserve to have it and hit rock bottom.

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[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by xshank667x
I call bullshit.

I didnt have to go to rehab to overcome my addictions. I think that rehab is for people that are to fucking weak to quit themselves. Shit I was addicted for years, wasted all my money, but I fucking got over it MYSELF, with NO ONES HELP.

If someone is to weak to stop their addiction, then they deserve to have it and hit rock bottom.

Dude. There are so many people with mental illnesses that are addicted to drugs....are you telling me that they can "DO IT" by themselves?

I really don't think so....

[*LyNnZ*]

^^ True

certain drugs especially opiates make your body used to that high and make you feel normal when you try to quit its extremely hard to..

your not a fucking loser or something because you want help on stopping drugs ..

you can say you were addicted to something but until you wake up straped down throwing up having the sweats and basically going crazy because your detoxing then tell me its bullshit

[xshank667x]

I have no sympathy for people that go thru withdrawls.

And dont try to talk as if you went thru the worst withdrawls every Lynzz. My withdrawls were pretty fucking hardcore. But this isnt a juvinile dick measuring contest to see who was the biggest addict. If you want that crown, then by all means, take it.

Yes people that have mental illnesses have more trouble than others, and I wasnt inclusing them in my statement, I should have mentioned that.

But for normal people like you and I, if you cant do it yourself, then stay being an addict. You're to weak.

If you dont want to go thru horrible fucking withdrawls the solution is simple DONT BECOME A FUCKING ADDICT!!!

Stupidity deserves no sympathy.

[djed]

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[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by xshank667x
I have no sympathy for people that go thru withdrawls.

And dont try to talk as if you went thru the worst withdrawls every Lynzz. My withdrawls were pretty fucking hardcore. But this isnt a juvinile dick measuring contest to see who was the biggest addict. If you want that crown, then by all means, take it.

Yes people that have mental illnesses have more trouble than others, and I wasnt inclusing them in my statement, I should have mentioned that.

But for normal people like you and I, if you cant do it yourself, then stay being an addict. You're to weak.

If you dont want to go thru horrible fucking withdrawls the solution is simple DONT BECOME A FUCKING ADDICT!!!

Stupidity deserves no sympathy.

OMG stop taking hater lessons from Geno....lol
(Sorry babe, I had to)

[*LyNnZ*]

I dont want sympathy im just saying withdrawls from opiates are a bitch

im not posting shit just to be like oh im more addicted or some lame ass shit like that.. GHEY

im just trying to say that a lot of people just cant stop themselves from being an addict,...
I can i just chose not to, is the biggest bullshit saying any addict will say to...

[xshank667x]

I'm not hatin'.

I'm being real.

[R33koh]

Originally posted by littlelimelight
OMG stop taking hater lessons from Geno....lol
(Sorry babe, I had to)

I object. Not a hater, just brutally honest

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by Reekoh
I object. Not a hater, just brutally honest

HATER IMHO. cranky puerto rican too.

[R33koh]

Originally posted by littlelimelight
HATER IMHO. cranky puerto rican too.

you must not know what a Hater is then

[littlelimelight]

Originally posted by Reekoh
you must not know what a Hater is then

Maybe..but I certainly know what a joke is....

[R33koh]

Originally posted by littlelimelight
Maybe..but I certainly know what a joke is....

what is this "joke"

[xshank667x]

A joke is a short story or series of words spoken or communicated with the intent of causing laughter or being found humorous by the listener. A practical joke differs from a verbal one in that the humor is mainly physical rather than verbal (e.g. blocking a door while the "victim" is still in the room).

In 1975 anthropologist Mary Douglas noted that "Joking is one mode of expression has yet to be interpreted in its total relation to other modes of expression";[1] scholar Seth Graham remarked that 30 years later that statement is still largely valid.[2]

Jokes are performed either in a staged situation, such as a comedy in front of an audience, or informally for the entertainment of participants and onlookers. The desired response is generally laughter, although loud groans are also a common response to some forms of jokes, such as puns and shaggy dog stories.

[djed]

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[IrisSilverMoon]

Originally posted by chronwaxjoseph
Wow, way to be narrow minded there bud.


First of all, AA does not "push" Jesus bullshit on you, it's simply talks about "GOD", not once have I ever heard Jesus in a meeting. It's all relating to a higher power, whatever that may be for you.



that's not necessarily true. Eeach meeting is different, some of them are pretty God or Jesus oriented, while others not so much. And it doesn't work for everyone, its just a personal opinion on whether or not it works for you. They really do push the whole "higher power" thing a lot which not everyone is necessarily cool with.

I think each case is different and what works for one person might not work for others. If someone can quit without help, that's fabulous, but if they can't do it on their, I wouldn't begrudge them a little extra help getting sober, whether it be from AA, rehab or somewhere else.

[chronwaxjoseph]

Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
that's not necessarily true. Eeach meeting is different, some of them are pretty God or Jesus oriented, while others not so much. And it doesn't work for everyone, its just a personal opinion on whether or not it works for you. They really do push the whole "higher power" thing a lot which not everyone is necessarily cool with.

I think each case is different and what works for one person might not work for others. If someone can quit without help, that's fabulous, but if they can't do it on their, I wouldn't begrudge them a little extra help getting sober, whether it be from AA, rehab or somewhere else.

Heh, I never said it worked for me, just simply relaying what I observed from going to a some meetings and what I got out of it. Your absoloutely right, each case is different, and they do use a higher power theme in there step program. The reason I stopped going is, because I don't do well in group a group therapy environment. I think I do much better with one on one counseling. Group therapy isn't getting to the root of why you're actually dong drugs to begin with, which is where I believe the real healing begins. <shrug>

[Mulder]

You fucking pussies.

If you're not smokin' rocks then you just ain't cool.