Watch out everyone Spun has begun to pump out those professional djs!

[djsence]

I am a profesional DJ www.myspace.com/koolaidninja who uses Serato Scratch for all my gigs. I also went to school at Spun DJ Academy in Portland. If you have serato scratch or just want to learn it call me up or email me I am flexible and affordable. I am also into trades. Basicly I just want to meet with some people who would like to learn more about DJing and using MP3s to do so, and maybe people who have something else to offer.

You need nothing to start.

CALL ME TODAY! Sean ~ 971 998 5436




http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/msg/578183390.html

[Shauk]

ah jesus.

:(

he's one of those kids that would fall falt on his face if the laptop crashed huh?

l2realvinylb4virtualvinyl

[Cethe]

LMAO

[Freshmaker]

Hehe...ugh.

Good thing he's not looking to play out, just meet and trade 'stuff'. :D

[Charlie Deep]

http://www.nwtekno.org/vb/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=30235

He's on this board. I sent him a PM about this thread.

[Gobo]

honestly, I don't think you a true dj unless you know how to use vinyl.
Just my opinion though....

[Elroy]

Uh-oh... this kid looks like he might be interested in HAVING FUN... better tell him to get off this board.

[Effendi]

Originally posted by Gobo
honestly, I don't think you a true dj unless you know how to use vinyl.
Just my opinion though....
Werd!!

And a damn fine opinion it is, any monkey can push a button lets see you stroke the vinyl!!

[swank]

Originally posted by Gobo
honestly, I don't think you a true dj unless you know how to use vinyl.
Just my opinion though....

last time i checked, serato used vinyl.

[Elroy]

I've been tearin' shit up on vinyl since last decade but I'd still rather listen to somebody who keeps it moving with good tunes.

Sorry, it isn't the olympics - it's partying.

[Shauk]

Elroy, I don't think anyone would debate that, it's just that some people pick up these programs and don't know how to use regular vinyl, so if something goes wrong, they aren't keeping the party moving.

Doesn't have to be the olympics.

[fuerve]

I haven't spun a record in years but I recently put together an mp3 kit and I'm having fun with it. I did it because I want to hear the mixes that I want to hear. I suppose I could play out if it ever came to that, but eh. Maybe a chill room or a house party or whatever.

It's fun, though, and I'm definitely having fun with it. I don't care too much about the 'DJ' moniker.

[Elroy]

Originally posted by Shauk
Elroy, I don't think anyone would debate that, it's just that some people pick up these programs and don't know how to use regular vinyl, so if something goes wrong, they aren't keeping the party moving.

Doesn't have to be the olympics.

I am really not sure about that... people are really obnoxious when they've learned how to do something difficult and then somebody comes along and can do it in an hour or two.

I say - oh fucking well.

[Gobo]

Originally posted by swank
last time i checked, serato used vinyl.

Still isnt the same...

[masturfader]

Originally posted by Gobo
honestly, I don't think you a true dj unless you know how to use vinyl.
Just my opinion though....


So Jazzy Jeff, A-track, Faust and shortee are not true Dj's? Please. Now pay attention. With your comment in mind. I do feel there is a miniscule loss of sonic quality when opting for digital files as oppose to their analog counterparts. Saying that, only an audiophile or person with extremely good hearing are gonna know the difference between a dj rocking serato or vinyl. To be honest a turntablist on serato might be able to blow away a tradition dj by simply being able to out perfom/ mix by using lots que points and going crazy using snippits of tracks faster than a dj could take a record off and get a new one on.


I am also a bit biased on this subject as I am a serato user who made the switch from vinyl, but there are those jams out there that are diamonds in the rough and if I can find a pressing I'll snatch it up because there ain't nothing like a true wave form for my collection...

[Shauk]

Originally posted by masturfader
So Jazzy Jeff, A-track, Faust and shortee are not true Dj's? Please. Now pay attention. With your comment in mind. I do feel there is a miniscule loss of sonic quality when opting for digital files as oppose to their analog counterparts. Saying that, only an audiophile or person with extremely good hearing are gonna know the difference between a dj rocking serato or vinyl. To be honest a turntablist on serato might be able to blow away a tradition dj by simply being able to out perfom/ mix by using lots que points and going crazy using snippits of tracks faster than a dj could take a record off and get a new one on.


I am also a bit biased on this subject as I am a serato user who made the switch from vinyl, but there are those jams out there that are diamonds in the rough and if I can find a pressing I'll snatch it up because there ain't nothing like a true wave form for my collection...

he said "know how" to use

not just use.

[Elroy]

Just read the 'affordable' line... kinda weak... really thinks people will pay for his 'services?'

[Shauk]

Originally posted by Elroy
Just read the 'affordable' line... kinda weak... really thinks people will pay for his 'services?'

you'd be surprised what people pay for.

Personally, I wouldn't do it. All it takes is one shady mofo from CL to come in, see your set-up and plan on how to steal it all from you within the next month.

I hear there is a problem with people getting their decks stolen as it is so inviting strangers to your address is just a big "HEY LOOK WHERE THESE THINGS ARE" sign.

[Gobo]

Originally posted by Shauk
I hear there is a problem with people getting their decks stolen as it is so inviting strangers to your address is just a big "HEY LOOK WHERE THESE THINGS ARE" sign.

There is a reason why I stopped having people over at my house
for house parties...
People started taking things out of my house....
I hate thieves....

[Effendi]

Originally posted by Gobo
There is a reason why I stopped having people over at my house
for house parties...
People started taking things out of my house....
I hate thieves....

Quoted for truth....

I have had major ragers for MANY years until last year.....

Someone stole my laptop and that was the final straw.

I still have a few friends over...a VERY few friends,

It's just not worth it anymore, I have given...given...given for years just to have some fools jack me.

The sad part is that it's my loss as well.

[Gobo]

Originally posted by Effendi
Quoted for truth....

I have had major ragers for MANY years until last year.....

Someone stole my laptop and that was the final straw.

I still have a few friends over...a VERY few friends,

It's just not worth it anymore, I have given...given...given for years just to have some fools jack me.

The sad part is that it's my loss as well.

Same way here...
Ive had several digital cameras walk out of my house, a cell phone,
my wallet....

[Elroy]

Nobody has ever jacked me.

[Effendi]

They stole a one gig card out of my camera sitting on my counter.

It's the goddamn speedfreaks, they have no respect and care for no one but themselves.

I wouldn't even have had them in my house EVER, except it was two of my friends birthdays and they wanted to have THEIR friends come play at my house. I reluctantly allowed people come that I didn't know and got jacked.

It jaded me so bad, I'm done with all of it.

No more house parties, no more SIDW.

I just don't need it anymore.

[Elroy]

What's SIDW?

[Gobo]

Originally posted by Elroy
What's SIDW?

stompin in da woods

klubstompers

[Elroy]

Oh yeah. I knew that.

What got stolen from there?

[Effendi]

Stompin in da woods has always been a Klubstompers collaboration and is the property of Nate Nikula (DJ Detonate)

My choice to remove myself from the operation is solely my choice and has no bearing on the continuance of the show.

It has always been alot of fun and it is likely that Nate will continue to put it together. But I will no longer be a part of it.

That is all!!

[djowns]

Spun's put out a lot of great DJ's, and helped a lot of people learn what they are doing. They've put out a few DJ's who not only have been booked by your crew Lance, but one of your crew members actually attended spun Academy!

[Gobo]

Originally posted by djowns
Spun's put out a lot of great DJ's, and helped a lot of people learn what they are doing. They've put out a few DJ's who not only have been booked by your crew Lance, but one of your crew members actually attended spun Academy!


They are doing pretty good but I think they need to improve on a few things...

[eric n]

Originally posted by Gobo
Still isnt the same...

actually it is. if not better. have you used Serato on a good laptop? and I always bring a packed crate of real wax too "just in case"...

Originally posted by masturfader
So Jazzy Jeff, A-track, Faust and shortee are not true Dj's? Please. Now pay attention. With your comment in mind. I do feel there is a miniscule loss of sonic quality when opting for digital files as oppose to their analog counterparts. Saying that, only an audiophile or person with extremely good hearing are gonna know the difference between a dj rocking serato or vinyl. To be honest a turntablist on serato might be able to blow away a tradition dj by simply being able to out perfom/ mix by using lots que points and going crazy using snippits of tracks faster than a dj could take a record off and get a new one on.


I am also a bit biased on this subject as I am a serato user who made the switch from vinyl, but there are those jams out there that are diamonds in the rough and if I can find a pressing I'll snatch it up because there ain't nothing like a true wave form for my collection...

AMEN BROTHA!

[Gobo]

Originally posted by eric n
actually it is. if not better. have you used Serato on a good laptop?

Using a laptop is still using a laptop. ;)
Only reason I would ever learn to use cdjs or serato is
to play tracks you can't find on vinyl.

[Elroy]

Or don't have enough money... or don't want to lug them around... or you produced them yourself and they don't exist on vinyl...

List goes on...

[speedjay]

limiting yourself to just vinyl in this day and age is kinda silly. i understand the purist attitude, but your just going to get left behind eventually as the technology moves forward.

[Gobo]

Originally posted by speedjay
limiting yourself to just vinyl in this day and age is kinda silly. i understand the purist attitude, but your just going to get left behind eventually as the technology moves forward.

Yeah eventually... Thats why Ive already started playin around
with cdjs.... its just the in thing to do now days...
Not because I want to....

[Headquarters]

Does anybody use Final Scratch? I know a bunch of people have been using Serato, but i remember FS seeming like it was the new thing about what 5 years ago? My friend bought it back then and the thing is pretty buggy. Maybe I just answered my own question.

One of the best pair of DJ's i've ever seen used Serato and a laptop. caps & jones tore shit down with mp3's

[Gobo]

Originally posted by Headquarters
Does anybody use Final Scratch? I know a bunch of people have been using Serato, but i remember FS seeming like it was the new thing about what 5 years ago? My friend bought it back then and the thing is pretty buggy. Maybe I just answered my own question.

One of the best pair of DJ's i've ever seen used Serato and a laptop. caps & jones tore shit down with mp3's

I think Ive seen brian use it in seattle...
dont see him play out much anymore...

[swank]

Originally posted by Gobo
Yeah eventually... Thats why Ive already started playin around
with cdjs.... its just the in thing to do now days...
Not because I want to....

cdjs are so 1998 :p

serato is more flexible (queue points, on-the-fly double copying, on-the-fly radio edits, looping, quick queue of tracks, fast location of tracks, and a nearly limitless crate size), has on par, if not better audio quality than vinyl, lower price, faster turn around from production completion to playing out.

i guess you are right. it isnt the same. i have more flexibility and at a lower price point than staying with straight vinyl.

[swank]

Originally posted by Headquarters
Does anybody use Final Scratch? I know a bunch of people have been using Serato, but i remember FS seeming like it was the new thing about what 5 years ago? My friend bought it back then and the thing is pretty buggy. Maybe I just answered my own question.

One of the best pair of DJ's i've ever seen used Serato and a laptop. caps & jones tore shit down with mp3's

charlie b plays on FS. FS has made some strong leaps recently with new releases of traktor, but it still is no where as user friendly or flexible as serato. the positive is that it is much cheaper than the rane box.

[Hukt On Wax]

i wanna go to the spun academy..... :(

[Joe_Nasty]

this kid sounds like a toolbag.

I have nothing against Spun Academy. I'm actually quite jealous that Brandon has found a way to take what he loves and make a living at it. Good for him. And it opens up an avenue for people that might not otherwise take it up so I guess that is good.

At the same time, this kid calling himself a professional dj makes me want to put my dick in his ear. I've djed or will dj 10 times this month, 9 paid, and still don't call myself a professional. And I'm not sure I'd want to be either, if it meant turning something I love to do into work.

Until you pay your rent djing, you're not a professional. You're a kid with some "bangin electro house" mp3s and some neon t-shirts trying to ride the nu-rave wave to your twenty minutes of disco glory.

bleh.

[Gobo]

Originally posted by Joe_Nasty
this kid sounds like a toolbag.

I have nothing against Spun Academy. I'm actually quite jealous that Brandon has found a way to take what he loves and make a living at it. Good for him. And it opens up an avenue for people that might not otherwise take it up so I guess that is good.

At the same time, this kid calling himself a professional dj makes me want to put my dick in his ear. I've djed or will dj 10 times this month, 9 paid, and still don't call myself a professional. And I'm not sure I'd want to be either, if it meant turning something I love to do into work.

Until you pay your rent djing, you're not a professional. You're a kid with some "bangin electro house" mp3s and some neon t-shirts trying to ride the nu-rave wave to your twenty minutes of disco glory.

bleh.

good way of putting it.
I have never once called myself a professional and Ive been playing
shows since 99/2000

[A D I D A S]

I have no issues with people stealing popular MP3's, however it makes me sad that so many DJs are now switching to stealing /copying music rather than buying them / vinyl since a lot of the music is produced by artists who don't make that much money, and the loss of vinyl sales really hurts them.

Or is there something I am missing here?

[djowns]

Hah, RJ dude... quit begging to get told how it is. While my grievances with you are minimal, you're a MISERABLE dj dude.

[eric n]

Originally posted by Gobo
Using a laptop is still using a laptop. ;)
Only reason I would ever learn to use cdjs or serato is
to play tracks you can't find on vinyl.

with the newest version of Serato, you can play without ever even touching the laptop. it's all in the records, you can use the inside of the records to scroll thru crates and use the thicker grooves for instant needle drop cue points. I agree that watching djs who spend more time touching the computer than the decks can be wack. but Serato in its' newest forms has nearly infinite possibilities. you can even use midi and video now if you want.

as for the Final Scratch question, the original was way buggy, I had it before serato and it pissed me off every time I used it. I have heard the newer version(s) are better, but Rane keeps updating Serato for free so that's the smart money. ;)

[eric n]

Originally posted by A D I D A S
I have no issues with people stealing popular MP3's, however it makes me sad that so many DJs are now switching to stealing /copying music rather than buying them / vinyl since a lot of the music is produced by artists who don't make that much money, and the loss of vinyl sales really hurts them.

Or is there something I am missing here?

I buy everything I can find legitimately on pay sites so the artists' still get theirs. For "dance music." For hip hop and top 40 I pay monthly dues to a couple of different mp3 pools that get the tracks straight from the labels, so again, the artist is (in theory) getting paid. And my ass is covered if the RIAA or ASCAP comes down on somewhere that I am playing out lol. Never seen it happen but I have heard the horror stories, you can be fined thousands of dollars per track if they really want to stick ya.

But there are a LOT of people who get all their shit free and that is not very nice. People work hard to make the tracks we play out! If people keep taking without giving the talent pool will shrink, it costs money to put out records especially. But even if you only release to mp3 it still sucks to put all that love into it just to have everyone pass it around like a joint... without 5 on it...

[Elroy]

Originally posted by Gobo
good way of putting it.
I have never once called myself a professional and Ive been playing
shows since 99/2000

I don't really think what you call yourself has much bearing on your abilities. It's difficult not to sound like an idiot in an industry full of unskilled, non-talented idiots giving you a bad name.

I understand why somebody would want to call themselves professional... I've been getting paid to DJ for about a decade, but that doesn't necessarily mean I am better than somebody else... especially at teaching.

[djsence]

Originally posted by Shauk


Personally, I wouldn't do it. All it takes is one shady mofo from CL to come in, see your set-up and plan on how to steal it all from you within the next month.
.


Very good point.

[djsence]

Originally posted by djowns
Spun's put out a lot of great DJ's, and helped a lot of people learn what they are doing. They've put out a few DJ's who not only have been booked by your crew Lance, but one of your crew members actually attended spun Academy!

wonderful. What's your point?

[djsence]

Originally posted by masturfader
. To be honest a turntablist on serato might be able to blow away a tradition dj by simply being able to out perfom/ mix by using lots que points and going crazy using snippits of tracks faster than a dj could take a record off and get a new one on.




actually most professional turntablists have custon made redcords pressed. They usually have loops, a ton of vocal samples and a couple remixes of certain versus of songs. Thus eliminating the need to change records as often.

[djsence]

Originally posted by Gobo
Ive been playing
shows since 99/2000

WTF??

no way. I totally call BS on this one.

I wanna see proof o back up that statment.

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by masturfader
So Jazzy Jeff, A-track, Faust and shortee are not true Dj's? Please. Now pay attention. With your comment in mind. I do feel there is a miniscule loss of sonic quality when opting for digital files as oppose to their analog counterparts. Saying that, only an audiophile or person with extremely good hearing are gonna know the difference between a dj rocking serato or vinyl. To be honest a turntablist on serato might be able to blow away a tradition dj by simply being able to out perfom/ mix by using lots que points and going crazy using snippits of tracks faster than a dj could take a record off and get a new one on.


I am also a bit biased on this subject as I am a serato user who made the switch from vinyl, but there are those jams out there that are diamonds in the rough and if I can find a pressing I'll snatch it up because there ain't nothing like a true wave form for my collection...

He said you're not a real dj unless you know how to use vinyl. Those djs obviously know how to use vinyl. So your point really doesn't make any sense...

[SoulKid]

Originally posted by Gobo
honestly, I don't think you a true dj unless you know how to use vinyl.
Just my opinion though....

Werd.

Originally posted by masturfader
So Jazzy Jeff, A-track, Faust and shortee are not true Dj's? Please.


The DJs you mentioned did start out on vinyl though NOT on Serato....

[SoulKid]

Originally posted by Effendi
Werd!!

And a damn fine opinion it is, any monkey can push a button lets see you stroke the vinyl!!


QFT!!! Great line Scott!

[tr0llaccount]

maybe i have no ide wtf i'm talking about, but i'm pretty sure you have to know how to use VINYL+SOFTWARE to be able to use serato.

[Cethe]

LOL @ this thread.

[djsence]

Originally posted by RichardVaughn
\

i think he might be sayin STOP BEING A FUCKING HATER ALREADY jesus dude all your condescending comments do not makes you look cool they make you look LAME



naw i dont think that is what he was saying at all. Maybe you should check the perscription on your glasses again.



-Spun's put out a lot of great DJ's, and helped a lot of people learn what they are doing

yes they have helped many shows in many ways. I can't knock em for being there for people. Oh wait I wasn't! As for the great dj thing, that is debateable. I mean they have had some great djs in their workshops but I believe the majority of them were great djs before Spun was around.


-They've put out a few DJ's who not only have been booked by your crew Lance

not sure who he was refering to. =(


-one of your crew members actually attended spun Academy!

cool!! education is great, and Spun does have some good teachers running through there (Solovox) Hahah even I have thought about attending a computer production class but then I realized I can get more one on one time by asking one of the many people I personallly know for help....and it only cost me a six pack!


;)

[Cethe]

AHHH c'mon lance, don't be mean to the poor kids. :(

[djsence]

I'm not being mean. I just LOL'd so I had to share with my NWTEKNO fam!

[djsteel]

I may be out of line with this post...But this thread is the classic Crab theory...

....Everytime a crab almost climbs out of the bin, all the other crabs grab onto it and pull it back down.

So what if he is promoting himself?
So what if he is making things happen for himself?

I know a number of dj's on this board that have been playing for over 8 years, and still pay dirty clubs for $25 a pop.

There are other DJ's which DJ for weddings and corporate events for $600-$1000 bux a pop....But the dirty club djs always say "You're not a real DJ'
...But nobody has defined what that even means :!!:!!!!

Just from the material in this thread, I think that it is safe to say that a lot of people are on dangerous ground.

When you see a DJ marketing themselves in the *same* way that you could be...why do you feel it is necessary to trash-talk their styles, skills, tools, etc, when you could be doing it yourself and being successful?

Why is this an inherent trait with DJ's? There is no Seniority among DJ's. He is not stepping on your toes. He is marketing himself and looking for venues to express himself.

It doesn't matter how long you have been djing. It doesn't matter how good you are at DJing. The bottom line is that it is a learned skill, and some people can learn in 3 weeks what it takes other people to learn in 3 years.

What makes a good DJ is how they market themselves. You can argue around it all you want...but it is marketing.

[Cethe]

"merchandising...where all the money from the movie is made"

[DJ Nikon]

part of it definetly is all about how one markets themselves
but there is a lot more to it then just that
for me personally, its all about track selection (but thats obviously a given too with deejays)

my main deal is, if they just stand there and do nothing
or just play music like its a chore
or dont jump around and get the crowd involved

then whats the point?
most laptop/cdj dj's I've seen just kinda stand there and dont really do anything
well, if you jump around while playing vinyl, there is a chance the needle will skip and jump as well....much more risky
so why cant someone using a laptop to DJ jump around and get all wild up on stage?

am I missing something here?
I'm not saying all these digital artists do this, and I haven't been out a huge amount in the last year or two. But from what I have seen, its all the same really.
Ron D Core said it best:
"Watching a laptop DJ is like watching a dog take a crap"

And what ADIDAS was saying...
yea there are a ton of people who buy the music legit, but there are a TON of dj's that just download illegally and use that shit with their FS/Serato setups. All I ask if wtf...why....those DJ's should not be booked. I am not pointing fingers or naming names, but there are a bunch in the PacNW that do this that I know of for a fact.
I can agree that if I absolutely needed a specific track and knew it would be easier to grab online then to purchase legally real quick before running out the door for an event, I can justify its use. But after that, would have to purchase it.

Take my own DJing for example. I am marketed myself a little bit, but not nearly as hard as I'm sure I should have in the past. Because of this, I have been DJing since 98/99 but has anyone seen my name on a flyer? :) Nope. I have been paid $800 to DJ for 4 hours at a wedding once and got paid $200 to DJ an 8th grader's graduation party for 4 or 5 hours. I've had several other random odd jobs that have paid, but only twice have I ever actually spun out at an event. I dont believe its because of the lack of skills or tracks, but moreso because I have not had the time to record demos or hand them out to crowds. Technically the only person I have to blame, is myself for the lack of bookings. Well, that and living in eastern washington now doesnt help trying to hit the streets and promote my mixes.

(Side note, although I talk with major producers that push vinyl themselves. They dont really see a lot of kick back from sales, although merchandising and releasing more records will help bring in the cash. It's getting booked where the money really is it seems)

[Gobo]

Originally posted by djowns
Hah, RJ dude... quit begging to get told how it is. While my grievances with you are minimal, you're a MISERABLE dj dude.

Have you heard any thing Ive done in the past 2-3 years...
No don't think so.

[B_tech]

If you have serato scratch or just want to learn it call me up or email me I am flexible and affordable. I am also into trades. Basicly I just want to meet with some people who would like to learn more about DJing and using MP3s to do so, and maybe people who have something else to offer.

Wait... so he's offering to teach people, but 'basically want to learn more about DJing'?

Newsflash... you're not a DJ unless you... wait for it.. GET BOOKED TO DJ.


TOO MANY DJS.... NOT ENOUGH TALENT.

[Gobo]

Originally posted by SoulKid
quote:Originally posted by Gobo
honestly, I don't think you a true dj unless you know how to use vinyl.
Just my opinion though....
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Werd.
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quote:Originally posted by masturfader
So Jazzy Jeff, A-track, Faust and shortee are not true Dj's? Please.
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The DJs you mentioned did start out on vinyl though NOT on Serato....

I think he said it best.

[Spun DJ Academy]

I had no idea this ad was posted. It will be handled shortly.

Sense: Thanks for letting me know about this, but an email or PM would have been better. You REALLY need a hobby.

[Gobo]

Originally posted by Spun DJ Academy
I had no idea this ad was posted. It will be handled shortly.

Sense: Thanks for letting me know about this, but an email or PM would have been better. You REALLY need a hobby.

Whats so bad about this thread?
It is a discussion that should be talked about.. ;)

[Spun DJ Academy]

Originally posted by Gobo
Whats so bad about this thread?
It is a discussion that should be talked about.. ;)

The thread is fine... except for the negative subject line.

The ad is not good for anyone, but Sean is still learning the ins and outs of the music industrty.

[Kohei]

The method of discovery is very different than meandering on itunes (and forces you to consider older music)...mono under 250hz, not much above 12khz...better bass representation...more stereo imaging retained before hitting that flat sounding mp3 compression...Even on a club rig you can definitely tell when an mp3 DJ slips in a record, or a Serato guy gets off and an all vinyl guy gets on. Weaker lows, shriller highs.

The practical person in me says I play music, not a medium. But somehow I keep on buying records and keep the mp3s for previewing and self-education. Vinyl has resale value, satisfies a developed Pavlovian consumer need (I've finally obtained this, ahhhhhh...), sounds better if properly cared for, and is still attached to the experience of record hunting.

I was thinking the other day how so many old records never made the transition onto tape or CD. So many songs damned to be never heard again because of age and medium. A sampler's dream, but simultaneously a dying artform.

But music is obviously evolving...Monolake layering different loops in Ableton and it seems like more people than ever are playing "live" now. Can't say no to exclusively Serato DJs, but it is my personal preference to discover music in all the possible ways open to me...that means through friends, through the internet, through shops and weird mediums.

Once electronic music becomes a completely mp3 based scene I'll be forced to make the transition, but for now every time I have the choice I'll be buying the best sounding format.

[djsence]

Originally posted by Spun DJ Academy
The thread is fine... except for the negative subject line.

The ad is not good for anyone, but Sean is still learning the ins and outs of the music industrty.


The subject line is exactly what was offered.

People can learn Serato from a professional dj from Spun Academy.

and broski you guys are totally pumping out djs. That's one of your jobs!


anyway I totally LOL'd when I saw it and figured others would aswell. =) I hope you even lol'd a bit Brandon.

:cheers:

[Gobo]

Originally posted by djsence
The subject line is exactly what was offered.

People can learn Serato from a professional dj from Spun Academy.

and broski you guys are totally pumping out djs. That's one of your jobs!


anyway I totally LOL'd when I saw it and figured others would aswell. =) I hope you even lol'd a bit Brandon.

:cheers:

I think everyone got a laugh out of it....
That CL post is funny as hell...

[Spun DJ Academy]

Originally posted by djsence
I hope you even lol'd a bit Brandon.

:cheers:


I gasped and then smiled... ;)

[quickster]

Originally posted by Gobo
honestly, I don't think you a true dj unless you know how to use vinyl.
Just my opinion though.... you arent a true DJ unless you can play on any form of media, any equipment, and any style imo

[djowns]

Originally posted by djsence
wonderful. What's your point?


You can't really bag on an educational facility that's produced talent your crew uses, and even has invited to join your crew. That's a text book example of being Hipocritical.

You have those DJ's play your proffesional shows, in which large amoutns of people, promotions, and other definitively proffesional elements are organized. While you guys may feign humility by not calling what you do proffesional, moneys involved (often in multiple thousands of dollars), and a fair bit of DJ's in the rave circuit even go so far as to bitch about not getting paid (a major element of being a proffesional). Not to say your crew bitches (you guys are mostly great) but more to say that stop faking the funk. There are proffesional elements to what we do, and not regarding it and taking it seriously as a proffesionals, means we're not going to get proffesional results.

[djsence]

Originally posted by djowns
You can't really bag on an educational facility that's produced talent your crew uses, and even has invited to join your crew. That's a text book example of being Hipocritical.



Well I didn't realize I bagged on anyone in this thread.

and dude who are you talking about? i didn't know anyone in giganticore that went to Spun ( and if they did who really cares) .... and as far as i know we havn't book any dj from there either.

[djthebandit]

I think he is talking about misify, she played for Jason (semblance) a few times when he used to do the club night things. Other than that I wouldn't know either.

[djkoolaid]

First off... how funny is it that so many of you cared about a harmless craigslist posting.. if only this many people posted on our actual events in the Upcomming parties we'd be famous by now!

So here is my rebuttle:

The only real problem anyone had with this AD is the fact that I mentioned Spun Academy.... which i did attent, and actually painted the graffiti mural in the other room that i am sure at least a few of you have APPRECIATED!

Second... on the topic of vinyl vs. laptops.......

If you dont have Serato.. you are obviously going to be against it... because it is gonna make it is going to make your years and years of analog mixing seem wasted. Semi-true... on the other hand if you have it.... im sure you not complaining about missing carrying your hundreds of pounds of vinyl everywhere... (if your a "REAL" dj you have probly had to lug your vinyl on a few planes before... am I wrong?) We could argue about this subject forever.... so before I start talking about Film cammeras vs. analog cammeras I will just let it go.

I respect a GOOD vinyl DJ above a serato DJ anyday. Who wouldnt!!!

Third... the only reason I posted the AD was just to pay some fucking RENT!

So now that Ive got your attention.... COME TO ROTTURE on FRIDAY the 22nd of FEBUARY and actually hear me play. You wont be dissapointed. :P

www.myspace.com/neonknites
www.myspace.com/koolaidninja

[Elroy]

Wait, how did the kid get put on my ignore list? Seriously... I didn't even notice whichever little trick link it was that one of you haters posted.

For chrissake... what-the-fuck did he ever do to you?

I'll admit that if he's trying to get money off people that's a little silly, but who fucking cares - let him look silly.

You guys on the other hand look like pathetic, bitter haters.

Kool-aid... don't worry about these guys. This board has been like this since about two years after it started. Same haters, different names. If you are having fun in a scene, you don't need this board... it's purely entertainment.

[Spun DJ Academy]

Originally posted by quickster
you arent a true DJ unless you can play on any form of media, any equipment, and any style imo

We teach that a whether its a turntable spinning wax, a CDJ, or an MP3 player... they are all just instruments. We start EVERYONE on vinyl, but teach CDs, and many digital fomats.

I appreciate and respect Serato, but will always be a vinyl junkie!

Originally posted by djsence
Well I didn't realize I bagged on anyone in this thread.

and dude who are you talking about? i didn't know anyone in giganticore that went to Spun ( and if they did who really cares) .... and as far as i know we havn't book any dj from there either.

http://www.myspace.com/missdefy

[djsence]

Originally posted by Spun DJ Academy

http://www.myspace.com/missdefy

That chick is hella nice!:D

[djkoolaid]

Originally posted by Joe_Nasty
this kid sounds like a toolbag.

At the same time, this kid calling himself a professional dj makes me want to put my dick in his ear. I've djed or will dj 10 times this month, 9 paid, and still don't call myself a professional. And I'm not sure I'd want to be either, if it meant turning something I love to do into work.


When I say Professional I mean that one... I GET PAID TO DJ.... and two everything I do, I do with a professional quality. If you have been DJing for that long u probably should call yourself a professional.... I DO :P

(I will pretend to forget that you called me a "toolbag" cause dude.... you DONT know me.)

PS- ive been djing "proffesionally" for about 6months... and had 4 paying gigs last month. Might not be 10 yet, but im sure youve been DJing longer than me.

[djsence]

I wonder how many more people will show up to Roture because of this thread.


I know of atleast two.

[djkoolaid]

Originally posted by Spun DJ Academy
[B]We start EVERYONE on vinyl, but teach CDs, and many digital fomats.



Spun Academy taught me how to DJ on analog vinyl. I taught myself how to DJ using serato. And yes...can do both.

[Elroy]

Originally posted by djkoolaid
When I say Professional I mean that one... I GET PAID TO DJ.... and two everything I do, I do with a professional quality. If you have been DJing for that long u probably should call yourself a professional.... I DO :P

(I will pretend to forget that you called me a "toolbag" cause dude.... you DONT know me.)

PS- ive been djing "proffesionally" for about 6months... and had 4 paying gigs last month. Might not be 10 yet, but im sure youve been DJing longer than me.

One thing you can rest assured of on nwtekno:

Folks around here sure put a lot of weight on specific words for people who come across as such jack-asses.

(waits for an idiot to say 'oh, the irony' or to call me a hypocrite without giving an example of anything)

But yeah, point is... don't worry about this board. Anybody who is sitting on here and actually uses this as communication about anything relating to the scene besides posting up and comings is almost definitely an idiot.

Again, if you are partying and having fun, that is a lot more than most of these guys... which is why they act like this.

[djkoolaid]

Originally posted by djsteel
I may be out of line with this post...But this thread is the classic Crab theory...

....Everytime a crab almost climbs out of the bin, all the other crabs grab onto it and pull it back down.




Couldn't say it any better. Thanks DJ STEEL

I am young... 21 and have been DJing for just over 2 years.... about 6 months "professionally". I have a residency with the knites of neon @ BRANX and ROTTURE. I get paid. The very fact that all these people are commenting about my tiny little innocent CL posting goes to show you that DJ KOOLAID will be around for a long time. I think people are just feeling the heat. hahahahahaha


KOOLAID!!!!

[Spun DJ Academy]

84 REPLIES IN 24 HOURS!?!?!?

[djkoolaid]

Originally posted by Elroy
One thing you can rest assured of on nwtekno:

Folks around here sure put a lot of weight on specific words for people who come across as such jack-asses.

(waits for an idiot to say 'oh, the irony' or to call me a hypocrite without giving an example of anything)

But yeah, point is... don't worry about this board. Anybody who is sitting on here and actually uses this as communication about anything relating to the scene besides posting up and comings is almost definitely an idiot.

Again, if you are partying and having fun, that is a lot more than most of these guys... which is why they act like this.


I am beggening to see how one can get "sucked" into this site... one word GOSSIP :P

Thanks for your words of wisdom.

[Elroy]

Trust me, if I didn't have anger issues of my own, hadn't been on here since last decade and currently owned a television.... I wouldn't have been on here since before I was old enough to drink.

The only worth of this board is playing army men with a bunch of people that may or may not matter to you in the slightest. However, I'd reckon that this is only really useful as a fun activity if you have pretty much zero connection to these people in your social/dj life anyway... like I have for years. If you actually know and CARE about anybody who reads this that is in the scene, don't post on here because that alone will damage your reputation. There are a few exceptions in my case (you know who you are), but overall everybody on this site can go fuck themselves.

But if you don't care, by all means be a crazy fuck like myself. haha

[djsence]

Originally posted by djkoolaid
I am beggening to see how one can get "sucked" into this site... one word GOSSIP :P

Thanks for your words of wisdom.

If you listen to one person on this site make sure it is NOT Elroy. The guy isn't all that bad and I am sure you guys could have some nice AIM chats in the near future but as far as taking board advice from him, PLEASE DON'T.

[Elroy]

Originally posted by djsence
If you listen to one person on this site make sure it is NOT Elroy. The guy isn't all that bad and I am sure you guys could have some nice AIM chats in the near future but as far as taking board advice from him, PLEASE DON'T.

Haha... coming from hillsboro's best dubstep dj.

Trust me, Lance, I've looked at his myspace and actually just requested him. He lives in my world, you live in nwtekno land... we speak different languages, only I'm bilingual. ;)

[djsence]

Originally posted by Elroy
Haha... coming from hillsboro's best dubstep dj.

Trust me, Lance, I've looked at his myspace and actually just requested him. He lives in my world, you live in nwtekno land... we speak different languages, only I'm bilingual. ;)

I'm moving to Aloha next week!

[Elroy]

Is that a joke because I don't get it.

[Spun DJ Academy]

Originally posted by djsence
I'm moving to Aloha next week!

On purpose?

[djsence]

Originally posted by Spun DJ Academy
On purpose?
yea

we had to stay in the "area" for a bit since it's close to my roomates work. after a while though we are gonna get out of the west side. It's killing me slooooowly!

[Elroy]

Oh okay... it is a real city.

[djowns]

Originally posted by djthebandit
I think he is talking about misify, she played for Jason (semblance) a few times when he used to do the club night things. Other than that I wouldn't know either.

The kid who drove all your gear up in a trailer with his super fancy Audi who has played a collection of your shows. SUPER tall, really nice, well mannered guy. Yeah, He's a Spun Academy graduate to my understanding. He got an opening slot at one of my shows via Brandon before he fully understood playing out live. I beleive I heard you guys mention he was a part of your crew now?

Missdefy as you mentioned also attended there. It's not a bad thing either. It's a great way for new DJ's to advance fast and have access to great gear they couldn't normally get ahold of.




Lance, whether you meant to or not, your post appears to bag on Spun, and while spun is surely not the glistening glory of rave-a-thon education, it's hypocritical to insult spun.

Now if your point was to make fun of a DJ for fancying himself proffesional, then refer to my prior post about bitching about getting paid.

[djsence]

Originally posted by djowns
The kid who drove all your gear up in a trailer with his super fancy Audi who has played a collection of your shows. SUPER tall, really nice, well mannered guy. Yeah, He's a Spun Academy graduate to my understanding. He got an opening slot at one of my shows via Brandon before he fully understood playing out live. I beleive I heard you guys mention he was a part of your crew now?
.

Darius ...whoa...... Dj muthafucking RADIUS !!!!!!!!!!!!!


hahah that guy was spinning at Panorama waaaaaay back in the day, pretty sure he didn't take any djing classes at Spun.

LOLOL he has been playing out for like 10 years plus, I am sure he fully understands how to play out live.



Fucking Darius rocks man!

[pretylc]

Darius is great! I wished I had been able to see him at Panorama before it closed down.

[N8Trak]

If I see one more person misspell this word, I'm going to start up a NWTekno College Fund.

Originally posted by Elroy
But yeah, point is... don't worry about this board. Anybody who is sitting on here and actually uses this as communication about anything relating to the scene besides posting up and comings is almost definitely an idiot.

Did I miss something?

[Elroy]

Originally posted by N8Trak
If I see one more person misspell this word, I'm going to start up a NWTekno College Fund.



Did I miss something?

Perhaps the part where you click on his profile and notice that he plays electro, disco, electro-house etc.

This board ain't the place for that stuff... there is a decent scene of this stuff in most cities without sites like these to support them. All they need is a few djs, word of mouth and myspace.

If you actually feel like you need to use this board to get people to come to a party... well, I kind of feel sorry for you. But there are people I'm cool with that do so. However, if you actually sit here and talk about 'professionalism' and crap all day long like it is going to change anything once the lights are flashing and people have a few drinks in them... well... I don't want anything to do with you.

Partying is about fun. I've learned to try and keep this board mostly the same... it isn't a place for serious talk, trust me.

[djthebandit]

Originally posted by djowns
The kid who drove all your gear up in a trailer with his super fancy Audi who has played a collection of your shows. SUPER tall, really nice, well mannered guy. Yeah, He's a Spun Academy graduate to my understanding. He got an opening slot at one of my shows via Brandon before he fully understood playing out live. I beleive I heard you guys mention he was a part of your crew now?


DJ Radius? Hm. I doubt he attended any Spun classes... he indeed has been playing for 10 years or so, he was the DJ at panorama's back in the day. Maybe he checked out a class, who knows... ...

I could care less.

[Joe_Nasty]

You know, the more I look at this thing the more it turns my stomach.

I apologize for adding to the negativity of this sad, sad place.

Hey koolaid I hope that you have a great success and become the biggest dj in Portland's thriving nu-rave scene, and the whole dj lesson business takes off for you too.

Lord knows your years of hard work and dedication to the craft has put you in a position where you should be getting paid to share your vast knowledge of djing/turntablism/electrohouse.

Shit. More negativity. Oops.

Seriously though. Best of luck.

[LubDubFamily]

There is one thing that is very clear to me at least.

The digital era killed the dj. In a time before the digital era new music was spread via the dj. It was dropped on mixtapes and during sets at various events. Since the evolution of file sharing and digital music most djs are doing far from breaking new music. Most djs in this time are hell bent on playing the latest greatest top ten in their genre or even playing the latest from some uberhip artist they hope we haven't heard about yet. As the digital age moves forward more and more djs have lost the ability to crate dig. We all (myself included) sidle up to some internet site and click the listen icon and download music directly into our craniums. Crate digging is an artform. It is about finding that one single hard to find track on vinyl. The laziness factor of downloading a rare track just leaves so much to be desired. The laziness factor in having all the pretty links lined up for our mouse-clicking happiness is pretty sad. I have to commend the brick and mortar stores that now offer listening and burning of MP3's in their stores. These buildings encourage us to come out of our little albino-never-see-the-sun worlds to engage with other humans on the basic level that most of us know, communication with the pretense of music. All these online depots for intravenous music encourage us to spend more time at home, more time plugged in, and then when the time is right we enter the club with our best smile and fake persona to live for a night. Even here we all sit talking via bits and bytes when I know Lance lives down the road and it would be much nicer to go get a cup of coffee and talk about all of this. It is so much easier on so many levels to keep to ourselves and prevent ourselves from human interaction. The digital era will not only kill the dj but rob all of us from life experience. I guess for many of the older djs it is not just about being shown up but about seeing people take the shortcuts. Shortcuts are good if we all get to the same place but as time and time again we will here "isn't it all about the journey?"

Take it, leave it. It is but one mans opinion.


And dammit Lance let's get out and have a cup of coffee.

You ask me how I became a madman. It happened thus: One day, long before many gods were born, I awoke from a deep sleep and found all my masks were stolen, -the seven masks I have fashioned and worn in seven lives,- I ran maskless throgh the the crowded streets shouting, "Thieves, thieves, the cursed thieves."
Men and women laughed at me and some ran into their houses in fear of me.
And when I reached the marketplace, a youth standing on a house-top cried, "He is a madman." I looked up to behold him; the sun kissed my own naked face and my soul was inflamed with love for the sun, and I wanted my masks no more. And as if in a trance I cried, "Blessed , blessed are the thieves who stole my masks."
Thus I became a madman.
And I have found both freedom and safety in my madness; the freedom of lonliness and the safety from being understood, for those who understand us enslave something in us.
But let me not be too proud of my safety. Even a thief in jail is safe from another thief.

The Madman- Kahil Girbran

[Elroy]

Originally posted by LubDubFamily
There is one thing that is very clear to me at least.

The digital era killed the dj. In a time before the digital era new music was spread via the dj. It was dropped on mixtapes and during sets at various events. Since the evolution of file sharing and digital music most djs are doing far from breaking new music. Most djs in this time are hell bent on playing the latest greatest top ten in their genre or even playing the latest from some uberhip artist they hope we haven't heard about yet. As the digital age moves forward more and more djs have lost the ability to crate dig. We all (myself included) sidle up to some internet site and click the listen icon and download music directly into our craniums. Crate digging is an artform. It is about finding that one single hard to find track on vinyl. The laziness factor of downloading a rare track just leaves so much to be desired. The laziness factor in having all the pretty links lined up for our mouse-clicking happiness is pretty sad. I have to commend the brick and mortar stores that now offer listening and burning of MP3's in their stores. These buildings encourage us to come out of our little albino-never-see-the-sun worlds to engage with other humans on the basic level that most of us know, communication with the pretense of music. All these online depots for intravenous music encourage us to spend more time at home, more time plugged in, and then when the time is right we enter the club with our best smile and fake persona to live for a night. Even here we all sit talking via bits and bytes when I know Lance lives down the road and it would be much nicer to go get a cup of coffee and talk about all of this. It is so much easier on so many levels to keep to ourselves and prevent ourselves from human interaction. The digital era will not only kill the dj but rob all of us from life experience. I guess for many of the older djs it is not just about being shown up but about seeing people take the shortcuts. Shortcuts are good if we all get to the same place but as time and time again we will here "isn't it all about the journey?"

Take it, leave it. It is but one mans opinion.


And dammit Lance let's get out and have a cup of coffee.

Whoah... creep alert. Please never come within 30 feet of me.

[swank]

Originally posted by Spun DJ Academy
84 REPLIES IN 24 HOURS!?!?!?

If it was in Music discussion where it should be, it would have had 5.

:)

[Spun DJ Academy]

Day 2... Over 100 Replies

[Gobo]

Originally posted by Spun DJ Academy
Day 2... Over 100 Replies

Its the topic of the month!!!! :rolleyes:

[Elroy]

Dammit... I thought I had that for the past 19 months... he broke my streak!!!

[Gobo]

Originally posted by djkoolaid
When I say Professional I mean that one... I GET PAID TO DJ.... and two everything I do, I do with a professional quality.


PROFESSIONAL
Definition

A professional is a worker required to possess a large body of knowledge derived from extensive academic study (usually tertiary), with the training almost always formalized.

Professionals are at least to a degree self-regulating, in that they control the training and evaluation processes that admit new persons to the field, and in judging whether the work done by their members is up to standard. This differs from other kinds of work where regulation (if considered necessary) is imposed by the state, or where official quality standards are often lacking. Professions have some historical links to guilds in these regards.

Professionals usually have autonomy in the workplace—they are expected to utilize their independent judgement and professional ethics in carrying out their responsibilities.[4] This holds true even if they are employees instead of working on their own. Typically a professional provides a service (in exchange for payment or salary), in accordance with established protocols for licensing, ethics, procedures, standards of service and training / certification.

The above definitions were echoed by economist and sociologist Max Weber, who noted that professions are defined by the power to exclude and control admission to the profession, as well as by the development of a particular vocabulary specific to the occupation, and at least somewhat incomprehensible to outsiders.[citation needed]

Therefore it would be appropriate to state that a 'true' professional must be proficient in all criteria for the field of work they are practising professionally in. Criteria to include following categories: 1. Highest Academic Qualifications ie University College/Institute 2. Expert and Specialised Knowledge in field which one is practising Professionally 3 Excellent manual/practical & literary skills in relation to Profession working in 4 High Quality work in either/or: {egs}: creations, products, services, presentations, consultancy, primary/other research, administrative, marketing or other work endeavours 5 High Standard of Professional Ethics, Behaviour and Work Activities while carrying out one's Profession { as an employee, self-employed person, enterprise, business, company, or partnership/associate/colleague etc } ADDITIONAL WHERE APPROPRIATE: Reasonable amount of professional working experience in either/or of the above capacities in fields of work one has Professional Qualifications...

-----------------------------

[Elroy]

Funny, I got a looser definition:

pro·fes·sion·al /prəˈfɛʃənl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pruh-fesh-uh-nl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder.
2. of, pertaining to, or connected with a profession: professional studies.
3. appropriate to a profession: professional objectivity.
4. engaged in one of the learned professions: A lawyer is a professional person.
5. following as a business an occupation ordinarily engaged in as a pastime: a professional golfer.
6. making a business or constant practice of something not properly to be regarded as a business: “A salesman,” he said, “is a professional optimist.”
7. undertaken or engaged in as a means of livelihood or for gain: professional baseball.
8. of or for a professional person or his or her place of business or work: a professional apartment; professional equipment.
9. done by a professional; expert: professional car repairs.
–noun
10. a person who belongs to one of the professions, esp. one of the learned professions.
11. a person who earns a living in a sport or other occupation frequently engaged in by amateurs: a golf professional.
12. an expert player, as of golf or tennis, serving as a teacher, consultant, performer, or contestant; pro.
13. a person who is expert at his or her work: You can tell by her comments that this editor is a real professional.

[Gobo]

I used google and looked it up... :D

[dj*a0*]

this thread is funny...


AND MY OPINION!!!


AS A DJ YOU NEED TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH EVERYTHING THAT PLAYS FUCKING MUSIC!


thats all...



(Man, i haven't been on this board in ages and already right back into the hate comments... god bless nwtekno!)

[Gobo]

Originally posted by dj*a0*

(Man, i haven't been on this board in ages and already right back into the hate comments... god bless nwtekno!)

Gotta love the nwdrama boards.. :D

[Shauk]

i'm def not a professional then. I've never touched CDJ;s before

[SoulKid]

Originally posted by Spun DJ Academy
Day 2... Over 100 Replies

Yeah but have you seen the Views on this thread in the same timeframe??

1260 Views so far!!! Lots of people following on this thread even though most of them are not replying to it but heavily watched......

[Gobo]

Originally posted by Shauk
i'm def not a professional then. I've never touched CDJ;s before

I don't think a whole lot of djs in portland can say
they are professionals.
Very few...

[eric n]

Originally posted by Elroy
Dammit... I thought I had that for the past 19 months... he broke my streak!!!

Well, that's not hard to accomplish when you post a handful of threads in damn near every forum, every week. With "edgy" and "provoking" taglines designed to suck people into yet another argument about how everyone's a homophobe, or how anyone whose opinion differs from yours must be some kind of either idiot or closed-minded prude.

I generally try not to fuck with you because everyone else does and I don't know you. But come on.

[djsteel]

Gobo...I don't understand why you continue slinging the discouragement.

By the definition that you have displayed...it doesn't exclude him. And if you are trying to say "ive dj'd longer and Im not professional, therefore this guy must *not* be", I would really encourage you to step down for a minute and look at the big picture.

There are hundreds of different kinds of DJ's. The dj's on this board (yourself included) seem to pigeon-hole the "DJ" as somebody who writes a bio in 3rd person perspective, shows up on UV-Gloss flyers, and spins records for 60 minutes in a dirty location.

There are a huge amount of avenues for DJ's to take that it seems you would roll your eyes at; even though they a) make more money than you, b) are more successful than you, and c) have been DJ'ing for half the time as you.

There are a LOT more events such as online radio stations, live radio stations, Hold music soundtrack developers, Elevator music track developers, satellite radio playlist editors than the dirty club DJ that you prescribe makes a professional dj.

Your replies throughout this thread are discouraging and unneccessary, and don't in anyway disclude 'djkoolaid' from calling himself a professional dj.

....By the definitions provided, Spinning 60 minutes of records for 25 dollars in a dance club is no more of a DJ than the wedding DJ that plays for 4 hours and makes $700...or a person who uses Winamp to create their playlist for radio airtime.

[Gobo]

We all have our own opinion....

[eric n]

Originally posted by djsteel

....By the definitions provided, Spinning 60 minutes of records for 25 dollars in a dance club is no more of a DJ than the wedding DJ that plays for 4 hours and makes $700.

It IS also possible to do both and still respect yourself in the morning. ;)

One wedding will buy you Serato. Another will buy a laptop. Or 3 weddings will buy you CDJs. Means to an end, ya know?

But then, you have to actually be ABLE to play different genres well, read ANY crowd, be spontaneous and creative, etc. Or else your first "soul-draining" / actual well-paying gig will be your last! Those who want to be so elitist about "what is a dj" tend to be the same who have never made much doing it...

and to be completely honest, while many of them suck horribly, I have had some weddings and corporate events that were WAY more fun and a MUCH more appreciative / less snooty crowd than what I get when I do play shitty venues for $25 lol.

[Charlie Deep]

Dear all:

Amateurs. All of you are amateurs.

Regards,
DJ Charlie Deep, MS, PhD
Associate Professor
Department of Disc Jockey Studies
DJ State University

P.S. If you're interested in booking me, I'm willing to accept two drink tickets and a Hot Pocket for compensation.

[djsteel]

Originally posted by Gobo
We all have our own opinion....
That's all you have to say? I guess that not only do you have the ability to trash talk people, but you have the uncanny ability to have the last word without ANYTHING behind it.



I guess it is true:
Those who want to be so elitist about "what is a dj" tend to be the same who have never made much doing it...


I have had some weddings and corporate events that were WAY more fun and a MUCH more appreciative / less snooty crowd
I am thankful that the DJ's on this board are so Ass-backwards about what a dj is, because it gives me the opportunity to work with artists like Huey Lewis and the News, Gaming/Car show expos, and meet the most hilarious intoxicated families in the world :D

[Joe_Nasty]

I've been waiting for you to chime in here Charlie. Thanks.

[djsence]

Originally posted by LubDubFamily



And dammit Lance let's get out and have a cup of coffee.


That would be fabolus. It has been far too long. I am pretty sure we are odering the UFC fight on the first. It will be our first day in out new place, maybe u can make it. I would love to hang with you more often That is for sure.

[Gobo]

A DJ's job is to combine all the elements necessary for their performance into one fluid package which can be easily swallowed by all listeners. For some DJs this includes talk and games, while for others it means spinning the latest and greatest to the hippest people in town.
All DJs, however, deserve respect for the job they do. This gets really tough among DJs themselves simply because you can't fit too many ego-inflated heads into one room without some of them bumping into each other (and believe me, the average DJ has an ego-inflated head... =). But in the end, we're all trying to accomplish the same thing -- providing entertainment.
Respect that.

[djsence]

Originally posted by Gobo
A DJ's job is to combine all the elements necessary for their performance into one fluid package which can be easily swallowed by all listeners. For some DJs this includes talk and games, while for others it means spinning the latest and greatest to the hippest people in town.
All DJs, however, deserve respect for the job they do. This gets really tough among DJs themselves simply because you can't fit too many ego-inflated heads into one room without some of them bumping into each other (and believe me, the average DJ has an ego-inflated head... =). But in the end, we're all trying to accomplish the same thing -- providing entertainment.
Respect that.

copied from

http://www.rapcoalition.org/what_is_a_dj.htm



So, What is a DJ?
Tough question. A DJ (disc jockey) takes many forms. The three most common forms is: Radio DJs, Mobile DJs, and Club DJs. All three share the common goal of providing an entertainment for a wide variety of people through various means, mostly however, through music.

A DJ's job is to combine all the elements necessary for their performance into one fluid package which can be easily swallowed by all of his or her's listeners. For some DJs this includes talk and games, while for others it means spinning the latest and greatest to the hippest people in town.

All DJs, however, deserve respect for the job they do. This gets really tough among DJs themselves simply because you can't fit too many ego-inflated heads into one room without some of them bumping into each other (and believe me, the average DJ has an ego-inflated head... =). But in the end, we're all trying to accomplish the same thing -- providing entertainment. Respect that.

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What are the Different Kind of DJs?
There are three major kinds of DJs: Mobile, Radio, and Club.

Mobile DJs are the most common. They generally work parties and special events (ie: weddings, birthdays, etc.) onsite. This sort of work usually entails entertaining a wide array of tastes and age groups, as well as a bit of MC'ing.

Radio DJs are the least common. Their task is to make sure there is never any dead air time by filling it with either their words, or music. Again, there is a certain mass appeal that needs to be worked on and being a Mr. Personality is important.

Club DJs can be found, but aren't nearly as prominent at mobile DJs. They have a very specific clientele (age group wise) and are expected to play the latest and greatest all the time. This sort of DJing often requires the most technical know-how on mixing since style and uniqueness are critical to establish a name for yourself and the club you work for.

[djthebandit]

DJing is overrated, don't get your knickers in a twist.

[Gobo]

I just posted it...
didnt say I typed it.. :P

[djsteel]

LOL

[Amberella]

Originally posted by Gobo
I just posted it...
didnt say I typed it.. :P

Don't worry RJ, there is no possible way people think you managed to write a coherent paragraph.

[vinyltap]

Personally when it comes to dj'ing, I prefer to keep it as non-profesional as possible. I don't want what I love to do to fall into the work catagory, it ruins it for me. In my life I have made (and spent) more money dj'ing than any of my many other money making avenues, but I still try to just keep it at a personal love level, rather than a job. I would rather play for a few friends at a house party than a rave.

And by some definitions on here, there's a wurlitzer just down the road that would qualify as a profesional dj. It's nice to make a little dough, but don't loose the love(the dancers can tell).

[Gobo]

Originally posted by Amberella
Don't worry RJ, there is no possible way people think you managed to write a coherent paragraph.

I am sure by now you can tell when
I type something myself and when I copy and paste. ;)

[djsteel]

My Daughter...Not professional:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTDT01qtF7Q

[quickster]

Professional DJ nuthin, there are Alpha DJs, Beta DJs and Omega DJs.

The Alpha DJ is the individual in the community to whom the others follow and defer. In some communities, the Alpha DJs and Producers are overrepresented in the marketing of a community if they are the only ones who are successful.

The Beta DJs is the contender, subservient to the Alpha DJ, but only after battling. The betas act as second-in-command and can either be dethroned Alpha DJs or future alphas if they persist in challenging the regnant alpha male.

Omega DJ (ω-DJ) is an antonym often used in a deprecating or self-deprecating manner to refer to DJs at the bottom of the social hierarchy. An omega DJ will be subservient to both the alpha and the beta DJs.

[Spun DJ Academy]

http://www.religioustattoos.net/Images/Alpha_Omega/alpha_omega_9.jpg

[SteverXL]

Originally posted by Charlie Deep
Dear all:

Amateurs. All of you are amateurs.

Regards,
DJ Charlie Deep, MS, PhD
Associate Professor
Department of Disc Jockey Studies
DJ State University

P.S. If you're interested in booking me, I'm willing to accept two drink tickets and a Hot Pocket for compensation. lol

[DJ Radius]

Originally posted by djsence
Darius ...whoa...... Dj muthafucking RADIUS !!!!!!!!!!!!!


hahah that guy was spinning at Panorama waaaaaay back in the day, pretty sure he didn't take any djing classes at Spun.

LOLOL he has been playing out for like 10 years plus, I am sure he fully understands how to play out live.



Fucking Darius rocks man!

Hey Lance & Linda, thanks for the props! Also to Owns for the kind words about my being a nice dude concerning the Festivus gear-dragging in my trailer. ;-)

But to clear the record for everyone, I went from spinning once in a while at house parties as a 29 year old late-bloom DJ in early 2001 straight to multi-hundred person 7-hour solo trance sets at Panorama in the 2002/3 until they closed in 2004. I've never taken any classes anywhere (no disrespect to Spun). My first time playing out for a large size crowd was being thrust on at 1:30am peak time at Panorama (those who can remember how packed that place was know that's quite a way to be thrown into the fire as a beginner). I was soon asked back to play more often, as playing music out live came quite naturally (I'm classically trained in piano and pipe organ, self-taught acoustic/electric guitar, and have been performing musically since a kid). So I know what it is to perform live and have for a long time. Not sure if I was being confused for someone else who didn't have those characteristics. Just wanted to make sure the right info about me was out there.

On this whole format-hating topic that seems to be floating around in this thread ... I learned to spin on vinyl/1200s but my music collection and format of playing has been CD (had a lot of music on CD back when I started to DJ, why rebuy it all on vinyl?). Does that make me more/equal/less of a DJ? I don't personally care what format a DJ spins, I'm borne of the dance floor so what moves me is what's coming out of the speakers -- if your music choice sucks, then the rest is irrelevant. When what I hear gets me dancing, then I'm a happy camper. A well mixed and track-selected CD playing at a party is more desireable to me than someone spinning live using the most authentic vinyl on 1200s but with crappy beatmatching and poor tracks.... you see what I'm saying -- it's the music, stupid!

p.s. And "stupid" is not directed at anyone -- it's just a saying, because I'm sure someone won't get it and think I'm talking to them.

--Radius

[b-eazyy]

when you dj bastards start paying taxes on the money made from dj'ing and make a career out of it is when i will consider you a professional dj

[djsence]

YOU ARE NOT A PROFESSIONAL RAIF DJ UNTIL YOU GET PAYMENT IN THE FORM OF PILLZ AND P-TOTZ.

[quickster]

http://www.paulormerod.com/images/fail.jpg

[Elroy]

Originally posted by eric n
Well, that's not hard to accomplish when you post a handful of threads in damn near every forum, every week. With "edgy" and "provoking" taglines designed to suck people into yet another argument about how everyone's a homophobe, or how anyone whose opinion differs from yours must be some kind of either idiot or closed-minded prude.

I generally try not to fuck with you because everyone else does and I don't know you. But come on.

Wow... somebody woke up on the smart-guy side of the bed this morning.

It's called a joke... and btw, 'everybody else' = everybody I'd like to get rid of. Figure it out.... ain't that complicated.

[Andromeda.]

Originally posted by Joe_Nasty
At the same time, this kid calling himself a professional dj makes me want to put my dick in his ear.

lololoololololoolllololo!



I've djed or will dj 10 times this month, 9 paid, and still don't call myself a professional. And I'm not sure I'd want to be either, if it meant turning something I love to do into work.

Until you pay your rent djing, you're not a professional. You're a kid with some "bangin electro house" mp3s and some neon t-shirts trying to ride the nu-rave wave to your twenty minutes of disco glory.

bleh.

the funny thing is, i've noticed that MOST people who dj electronic music / hiphop WON'T call themselves professional, even though they have more talent in their earwax than any "professional" dj service *i've* ever heard.

i always wondered why trainwrecking all over someone's wedding made someone a pro...apparently it's about how much credit you have with "regular" society.

[eric n]

Originally posted by b-eazyy
when you dj bastards start paying taxes on the money made from dj'ing and make a career out of it is when i will consider you a professional dj

I do pay taxes on my work, I have to after I was audited and hit for $1200 in unpaid taxes from the previous year's shows two years ago. I could quit my day job and play more weeknights if I wanted to and make more. I have turned down the offers. There is no health plan or 401k in being a full-time club DJ, and I have kids to look out for. ;)

[Gobo]

Originally posted by b-eazyy
when you dj bastards start paying taxes on the money made from dj'ing and make a career out of it is when i will consider you a professional dj

Thats exactly what I was thinking....

[Kosmicdog]

Professional just means getting paid for something.

One time I was paid $5.00 to whip out my nuts and do a "chickenheart* at a bar. This does not make me a professional penis puppeteer though.

[Charlie Deep]

I'm a pro desk jockey.

[LubDubFamily]

Originally posted by eric n
There is no health plan or 401k in being a full-time club DJ, and I have kids to look out for. ;)

Isn't that the truth.

[djowns]

Originally posted by eric n
I do pay taxes on my work, I have to after I was audited and hit for $1200 in unpaid taxes from the previous year's shows two years ago. I could quit my day job and play more weeknights if I wanted to and make more. I have turned down the offers. There is no health plan or 401k in being a full-time club DJ, and I have kids to look out for. ;)


There is no health plan or 401k in a lot of small startup businesses either. They are still proffesions.

[N8Trak]

It's PROFESSION!!!!

Gawd, I swear sometimes..........

[meeotch]

prepheshunul

[eric n]

Originally posted by djowns
There is no health plan or 401k in a lot of small startup businesses either. They are still proffesions.

I'm not arguing with ya there Jesse! My point this whole time is that if you make money consistently spinning records, you ARE a professional. Just because a lot of cheesy mobile DJs cheapen and tarnish the terminology does not make it less so! And just because I choose to work a day job for stability, and DJ on the weekends (for money more often than not), doesn't make me any LESS a professional. It makes me responsible lol.

And whoever said getting paid does not make you "a professional", then what does? What's the difference between a professional baseball player and a rec league champion? MONEY.

:D

[b-eazyy]

TAXES

[eric n]

that too! :D

[SteverXL]

Originally posted by Joe_Nasty
You know, the more I look at this thing the more it turns my stomach.

I apologize for adding to the negativity of this sad, sad place.

Hey koolaid I hope that you have a great success and become the biggest dj in Portland's thriving nu-rave scene, and the whole dj lesson business takes off for you too.

Lord knows your years of hard work and dedication to the craft has put you in a position where you should be getting paid to share your vast knowledge of djing/turntablism/electrohouse.

Shit. More negativity. Oops.

Seriously though. Best of luck. nasty steppin..

[Charlie Deep]

In consideration of the ambiguity of the term “professional DJ”, I hereby promulgate this ruling, effective January 1, 2008:

1.) A “professional DJ” is an individual DJ who meets the following criteria:
a. The average number of gigs in each year of the two prior calendar years is no less than 80.
b. The average duration of each gig in section 1a is no less than two hours.
c. The average monetary compensation for each gig in section 1a is no less than $500.00.
d. Did not work more than 500 hours for a non-music-related employer in each year of the two prior calendar years.

2.) The amount specified in section 1c shall be increased with a cost of living adjustment on the first day of each calendar year. This annual adjustment shall be 5%, and the resulting amount shall be rounded to the nearest $25.

3.) Proceeds from the sales of illicit substances shall not be included in the amount specified in section 1c.

4.) DJs who do not meet all of the criteria outlined in sections 1 - 3 shall not use the term “professional DJ” in any of their promotional or marketing materials. Violators of this provision may be socially ostracized, labeled with unflattering terms (e.g., “chode” and "noob"), and precluded from attaining any "significant DJ gigs" until the violations are corrected.

5.) The term "significant DJ gig" in section 4 means a gig where more than ten people are dancing concurrently in the venue.

6.) The author of this ruling may make any modifications or amendments which he deems necessary or appropriate in order to allow this ruling to conform with prevailing social trends.

In witness whereof, I have executed this ruling on this 21st day of February, 2008.

Charlie Deep

[burnt]

Originally posted by Charlie Deep


3.) Proceeds from the sales of illicit substances shall not be included in the amount specified in section 1c.

what about if they make money from the sales of licit substances. like, say, energy drinks

[dj*a0*]

Originally posted by Gobo
I don't think a whole lot of djs in portland can say
they are professionals.
Very few...

pfffffffftttttt!


speak for yourself... LOL

peace.

[Mi'ka]

I DJ'd @ a friends model horse show this past Saturday for a bunch of middle age women in mom jeans and wal-mart t-shirts...does that count as "professional?" haha

Seriously...I did.

[theperfectcyn]

Originally posted by Gobo
There is a reason why I stopped having people over at my house
for house parties...
People started taking things out of my house....
I hate thieves....

corbettfields anyone??

[theperfectcyn]

Originally posted by b-eazyy
when you dj bastards start paying taxes on the money made from dj'ing and make a career out of it is when i will consider you a professional dj

qft

[Gobo]

So many people....
So many different opinions...

[B_tech]

Originally posted by djkoolaid
[B]Third... the only reason I posted the AD was just to pay some fucking RENT!


ehhhhh OK. I didn't get that from this part:

If you have serato scratch or just want to learn it call me up or email me I am flexible and affordable. I am also into trades. Basicly I just want to meet with some people who would like to learn more about DJing and using MP3s to do so, and maybe people who have something else to offer.

Best of luck to ya.

[Gobo]

It keeps going and going and going..... :rolleyes:

[Spun DJ Academy]

http://www.stopwaste.org/images/bunny.jpghttp://www.stopwaste.org/images/bunny.jpghttp://www.stopwaste.org/images/bunny.jpg

[djowns]

Originally posted by B_tech
ehhhhh OK. I didn't get that from this part:


Hey look... you're a still a douchebag!

[B_tech]

Originally posted by djowns
Hey look... you're a still a douchebag!
:)

[Gobo]

Originally posted by djowns
Hey look... you're a still a douchebag!

who isnt these days? ;)

[flipsta]

This thread has been highly entertaining....I thank you all.

:D

[B79TUTS]

Very enjoyable thread. A classic virtual pissing contest.