DRAMA at UNITY

[sumkidzdad]

About the drama in the UNITY review thread that was pulled (and for good reason), alot of things were said and should be addressed.Obviously there were problems and people are upset over things that happened last night at STUDIO 7. S7 supports the EDM scene and does a good job,these events are not easy to put on. My hat goes off to them ! MOTOR security works for MOTOR, and so does Travis. Our security is run by Brian (owner) and he does a hella good job ! Travis books events and also does a danm good job. We have also had problems with cars getting broke into etc. at raves. We also patrol the area around MOTOR and shine lights into vehicles and have run off people who don't belong hanging around,prowling etc. I don't know what went on last night, if one of our security team is doing some illegal shit at S7 we would like to see the video that some one is supposed to have shot? Personally I think everyone is getting all worked up over things best handled another way and not on a party review thread.I hate to sound like Dr.Laura,but...". now go do the right thing ! "
Joe MOTOR

P.S. Please don't leave stuff in your cars or at least lock them in your trunk. Raves are becoming targets for thieves more and more lately.

[Outer limits]

Apparently I'm not the only one concerned with this.Other people are busting out their cameras next time the security is less than legal according to the flood of pms I have gotten.Just about everyone has a video camera on their cellphone these days.Just as I do.

Everything they do is now watched.Tell them this for me..From what I have heard from close friends staff themselves at studio 7 are great and I don't disagree there.Only with security trying to be above the law do I have problems.

Joe I have nothing against you but trying to stand up for illegal behavior on behalf of the security team just makes you look bad.Maybe the guy was a rookie or maybe his wife divorced him the night before.I don't care, its still not alright to search someones car for parking a quarter mile away on public streets especially when they had no probable cause.

sorry for ruining anthonys thread.I like him as a musician but as my time was not all smiles and fun lollipops I had to address exactly what happened there.As a musician,as a partykid and as a promoter.

I would like to see you receive the same treatment and just let them do that.Im sure within minutes you will be claiming your rank and status just to get away from it.Most people can't do that.

[oneandoneisone]

Yeah sorry that other thread got out of control. Here are the issues we need to talk about:

Security was too aggressive. They treated everyone as if they were breaking the law, when that was clearly not the case. We pulled up to the party, parked, and all of us got out of the car. Security walks up, starts shinning lights in our car/faces, and asking us what we're doing out here. We were putting out jackets in the car and getting ready to go in. The security guy walks up to our open door and shines a light in, starts asking whats in our water bottles (which was water!). He has no right to search our car without probable cause and acted offended when we knew our rights. We were not on S7 property and did not provoke them in any way. I can understand if we waited a long time in our car or if we acted shady, but we didn't. We are all older kids, well respected in the rave scene and know better than to do these things anymore.

I absolutely love S7 and hope to throw a party there myself. They support our music and I love them for that. I understand that they need to protect party goers and themselves and I appreciate that. I like to feel safe at a party and I feel that is securities job.

I felt threatened from the moment we got out of our car at this show and kept hearing stories about things going on all night that were out of the ordinary. We have been going to parties at S7 since they started supporting EDM. I personally have never had a problem before. But when we left our car had been messed with and our door lock was broken. It was clear that someone had attempted to break into our car. We didn't have any valuables inside and its' not even a nice car. We were only inside for a couple of hours and the parking lot only had security in it when we left. After having a confrontation with security, being fairly close to the parking lot, and having this done makes me suspect that they are not acting properly.

I don't want to make a big deal out of this, I just think that there is a more tactful way to catch people drinking/doing illegal things in their cars and enforcing the rules of the party. ie. why didn't they spend more time inside trying to bust kids selling drugs? Within a half an hour of being inside I could point out five people selling drugs, just from standing back and observing it.

p.s. I really enjoyed this party and I am not one to bitch about parties.

[sumkidzdad]

Be assured i do not stick up for illegal behavior ! Just wanted to say that if someone was out of line and that someone also is on our (MOTOR)security team,we would like to know. So who are we talking about? We at MOTOR do not take this lightly ! Security is very important and we are willing to fire and hire accordingly ! I would like to clear some things ip for the record,security works for Brian. If your at one of our shows talk to him,he is there managing his people,if some one is out of line tell him, tell me ,we are both always there for the duration of our shows. I only got into this because it was said that one of Brian's people was involved and it was implied that the complaints were bogus, that it was Travis's friends making shit up and I know that is not the case (the bogus part).And what is this about a gun???
Joe MOTOR

[oneandoneisone]

I only know the security lead as Bones, is that Brian? I should have approached security about the issue, and will do so next time. I am not friends with Travis and would not start something just to talk shit...
I have no reason to do something like that ... Other than what personally happened to me and my friends, I can not speak about the other complaints. If you can pm me I would be happy to give you a description of the security person we had a problem with...

[sumkidzdad]

Brian is NOT Bones! Brian had nothing to do with security at STUDIO 7 sat. night, nor did MOTOR in any way! We were not even at the show. Brian and I have nothing to do with any other clubs security, ever. What I am tring to say is-if you are at MOTOR and have any of those types of problems, talk to us and we will take care of it.
Joe MOTOR

P.S. I just found out who worked there and also worked at MOTOR.

[BobbyRitalin]

Bones works for the security at S7. Instead of not doing anything about what happened to you, you should have talked to a manager. instead of yelling and getting stupid (not saying you did that, understand that alot of people at raves are over dramatized dramamachines) You should just talk to who is in charge. Tony is also a lead there (the austrailian) and though the leads seem a little rough around the edges, don't worry about that. Just tell them what happened to you and they will take care of it.

Believe me, it's as easy as that. I know those guys and they will work to help you, they aren't only there to be gustapo, they want you to be safe and stay out of a hospital, jail, morgue, newspaper etc etc.

if you have a problem with an employee at a store, who do you talk to? the manager.

S7 is no different.

[Outer limits]

It was not bones himself that night that did that.I am working on finding out who.

Sorry joe.I read the post wrong and thought you both contracted the same security.Its quite obvious from the replies that im not the only one having a problem with security trying to act out of line.Ignore me entirely if you like and go back and read what I counted to be 5 other people who said this was a problem.Studio 7 needs to give them a bit of training outside of the world of kicking peoples asses and about what they are legally allowed to do.

Bobby threatening to fight someone for trying to assert their rights is not really what security does to make people feel safe. Security at a party needs to be invisible or even better social to those who are not causing problems.I have been to many parties since entering this scene about 8 years ago.That was the first time this happened and I really do hope it is the last. I always have stories of how I had better conversations with security than the partykids.Oddly enough it was at the skate barn another of anthonys parties so I know it wasn't him.(im actually pretty sure if he walked up he would have said something to him)

Its hard to walk up to a security guard and say "I took too much" or "I injured myself" when they cannot appear to be friendly and seem to make big deals out of nothing.

[Cethe]

This is odd to me....

no club security has the right to search your car. no rent a cop security has the right to search your car.

only an officer of the law with probable cause can search your car.

IMO, if any clubs security were 'forcing' their way into my car, i would call the police & press charges.

[Outer limits]

Originally posted by Cethe
This is odd to me....

no club security has the right to search your car. no rent a cop security has the right to search your car.

only an officer of the law with probable cause can search your car.

IMO, if any clubs security were 'forcing' their way into my car, i would call the police & press charges.

This comes from a promoter has I have actually had a personal discussion about what is legal and not at a party.I have seen cethe keep people in line without violating rights many times.I am trying to make a difference here without turning the guy or the business in. If that is accomplished then I see no reason to get the law involved. Im being quite nice by not having that guy in handcuffs that night and waiting to see if someone can talk this over with him first.Additional training sounds necessary for the entire security crew though if other people were having problems with the other guards.

Drug dealers or thieves rarely discuss how firm security was .Its normal people who are out for a good time that do.

[oneandoneisone]

Originally posted by sumkidzdad
Brian is NOT Bones! Brian had nothing to do with security at STUDIO 7 sat. night, nor did MOTOR in any way! We were not even at the show. Brian and I have nothing to do with any other clubs security, ever. What I am tring to say is-if you are at MOTOR and have any of those types of problems, talk to us and we will take care of it.
Joe MOTOR

P.S. I just found out who worked there and also worked at MOTOR.

I misunderstood your post as well. I thought your security was shared. Anyways, I will go to the manager next time i have a problem. I do know my rights very well actually. I just wanted to get into the party and forget about the incident, like I said this is the first time it happened and I was willing to forget about it rather than trying to argue with some arrogant security asshole! We calmly stood up for ourselves and made the guy leave... it wasn't until after hearing about all of the other things that I began to wonder about their integrity.

Bobby- I have said several times that I respect their role in keeping ravers safe. It's all about tact and they should not overstep their bounds... ever!

[saigonborg]

I'm just trying to understand what happened a little better, did they actually try to force their way into your car and start going through your stuff or did they just shine flashlights and ask what was in there?

[oneandoneisone]

Originally posted by saigonborg
I'm just trying to understand what happened a little better, did they actually try to force their way into your car and start going through your stuff or did they just shine flashlights and ask what was in there?

This drama is just iritating the crap out of me! We handled this calmly and cooly by not letting it blow up in the parking lot. We told the security guard that we knew our rights and if he wanted to be that close to our car (which he was trying to put his hands into the car) he could call the cops and they could bring a warrant down to search it. We could have gone to go to management, but it was very crowded and I wouldn't know who to talk to, to begin with. But we decided to forget about it and go inside. This got blown up after other people complained about problems they had with security that night.

Just an FYI for anyone going to parties: Security guards have no right to search your car, cops can if they come down with a warrant or have probable cause! Stand up for your rights! That's all I have to say about this!

[saigonborg]

It was just a question because some of the things posted weren't very clear and were a little confusing. If you don't want people to ask or talk about it then don't put it on the boards!

[oneandoneisone]

Originally posted by saigonborg
It was just a question because some of the things posted weren't very clear and were a little confusing. If you don't want people to ask or talk about it then don't put it on the boards!

Hey don't take me the wrong way... you're right they are a bit confusing because I was confused about what the hell Joe motor had to do with any of this. I didn't mean to bite your head off, I just don't like drama and have never dealt with this kind of bs. Its just that I"m an adult and I feel I deserve to be respected as such, even by security at a party.

[Outer limits]

Originally posted by saigonborg
I'm just trying to understand what happened a little better, did they actually try to force their way into your car and start going through your stuff or did they just shine flashlights and ask what was in there?

Holly is just upset because this incident not you.She is also trying to remain respectfull when the security wasn''t

They rifled through our things to answer your question and asked about a water bottle with brown stuff in it (which happened to be chew spit.)Completely uncalled for.

[clubmotor]

Joe was simply trying to clarify the confusion...from the end of the other thread...since it was deleted.

What the hell it had to do with him... is that someone said that this security guy also works at MOTOR. Which he may...there is some crossover in staffing. We are still confused as to exactly who the individual in question is.

I think someone should post said video footage!!!

The city doesn't like underage drinking (before the party...in the car.

Venues have to cover their asses.

Security guys are representatives of the venue.

Security guys can and will shine lights in cars to look for underage drinking.

Security cannot PHYSICALLY search your vehicle.

Security walks a fine line.

Many times these rants (at parties and on these threads) are unsubstantiated, overdramatized, and blown out of proportion.

So if you want to be taken seriously I suggest that you ....
POST THE VIDEO!!!

Brian MOTOR (the rocker lookin long haired, goateed guy.... not the rockabilly lookin' guy from S7)

[T~Lily]

The promoter should be dealing with the venue owner on this.....

I hope you help these kids out; it was your show.

::tigerlove::

[Nukegrrrl]

I've encountered a similar issue before near Studio 7 about a year and a half ago. I was with my cousin whom parked her car a couple blocks from Studio 7. I was setting up for an event there so I didn't see what happened first hand, but I guess one of my cousin's younger friends was putting on makeup in my cousin's car and security approached her and said he was going to search the car. The young friend freaked out and consented to a search of a car that wasn't hers. My cousin and I had sealed bottles of alcohol in a bag in the back of the car so we could celebrate at my home after we left the event. Although nobody in our immediate party had been drinking at the venue or in the car, the security guard proceeded to pour out all of our alcohol in the car that he could find. The guard wanted access to the trunk but the friend didn't have the keys. Thank god he didn't find my bottles of vodka tucked away in the trunk or I would have done a lot more than get pissy with the gentleman whom was in charge of managing S7 security at the time. I considered pressing charges and discussed the situation with my legal reps but because I wasn't there when my cousin's car was searched and my property was destroyed, I wasn't sure if my cousin was parked on Studio 7 property or not, I had a party to setup, I had diplomacy on behalf of people and an organization other than myself to consider, I just let it go. If there's ever a "next time" I will not be forgiving.

Excerpted from WA's Liquor Control Board's FAQ: (http://www.liq.wa.gov/enforcement/enforcementQA.asp)
Q: "Am I responsible for what happens in my parking lot, or other areas outside of my business within my control, or in the alley behind my business?"

F: "A liquor licensee is responsible for the licensed business and the area immediately around it. A licensee cannot allow any disorderly conduct in the licensed business or adjacent property which is owned or leased by the licensee."

The way I understand it is that Studio 7 owns and/or leases many of the adjacent parking areas around their venue. If they want to keep their liquor license they are legally bound to extend their rules to the parking lots they lease and have their security enforce the rules, but that responsibility ends where their property ends. oneandoneisone was correct in that if someone is parked on a public street or a lot that does not have a lease agreement with Studio 7, only the police can take care of business and search vehicles. Vehicles can only be searched with the owner's consent or a warrant issued/signed by a judge.

[BobbyRitalin]

Bobby- I have said several times that I respect their role in keeping ravers safe. It's all about tact and they should not overstep their bounds... ever!

then maybe address that as well? you gotta understand, they deal with nice people, and straight up scumbags as well. sometimes after a long night of dealing with scumbags, you may have been the only legit person they had to deal with and was unable to seperate their mental clarity from the situations with the scumbags, they may be security, but they are people too.

next time you go to s7, we'll meet up before hand and we can meet with the lead of security and you can address these matters, trust me, you'll be surprised at the result.

Maybe no one has brought up tact before?

They don't read these boards, so if there is ever a problem and no one ever tells them, then how will they ever know?

[oneandoneisone]

I understand that it's a safety issue on the venue's side and that's fine. I like to feel protected at a party. I know they don't know the difference between a scumbag and a party kid... I'm sure we all look the same to them and that's fine. I just want them to obey the law... and I hate feeling like I've started this drama. I didn't intend on that at all. I certainly don't want to end up being singled out or made to feel like I did something wrong by bringing it up.

Trust me I don't want people being stupid in the parking lot because ravers/promoters, etc are already skating on thin ice with this city... I'd also like to add that I know what it's like to work security at a party.. .and trust me I get it.

I'd like to forget about this and move on... to hope for a better experience at the next party! :D

[NeoIce]

Originally posted by BobbyRitalin
then maybe address that as well? you gotta understand, they deal with nice people, and straight up scumbags as well. sometimes after a long night of dealing with scumbags, you may have been the only legit person they had to deal with and was unable to seperate their mental clarity from the situations with the scumbags, they may be security, but they are people too.

next time you go to s7, we'll meet up before hand and we can meet with the lead of security and you can address these matters, trust me, you'll be surprised at the result.

Maybe no one has brought up tact before?

They don't read these boards, so if there is ever a problem and no one ever tells them, then how will they ever know?

if you cant keep a calm head when dealing with tense situations, change fucking professions. all I've heard from everyone is a bunch of excuses. even if you had nothing to do with this, but you shouldnt be standing up for something that is CLEARLY legally wrong, morally objectionable and bad business practice.

[BobbyRitalin]

Originally posted by NeoIce
if you cant keep a calm head when dealing with tense situations, change fucking professions. all I've heard from everyone is a bunch of excuses. even if you had nothing to do with this, but you shouldnt be standing up for something that is CLEARLY legally wrong, morally objectionable and bad business practice.

I'm not standing up for it, just trying to see it from more than one side. i cannot be biased because i didn't experience it.

[hyperfunk]

when you rent a venue, generally you are locked into whatever they are used to. if they have a in-house security team that the general manager is comfortable with, you are stuck with them because the GM generally wont want to use new security. in this case, there was no choice in the matter on who's security we use.

there were a lot more people that showed up than any of us expected. it was pretty crazy, but from now on, we will figure out a way (aka an additional cost) to have more security on board, and to figure out a better line situation. or use a larger venue.



if we use studio 7 again in the future, i will take some steps with the General manager to ensure that there isnt a repeat of the security situation.

[Headphones Dude]

Perhaps hire additional security guards to guard the ones who are looking to break into people's cars?

And for the ravers concerned about their privacy in their vehicles, here's my advice. Take a cab. No seriously. They couldn't fuck with your vehicle if it's back at your place. Less likely to fuck with you as you approach S7. I know, it may not be the cheapest option, but with the price of gas the way it is now, maybe you won't notice.

[oneandoneisone]

Originally posted by hyperfunk
[B}
if we use studio 7 again in the future, i will take some steps with the General manager to ensure that there isnt a repeat of the security situation. [/B]

Anthony,
Thank you for addressing this issue. I certainly didn't mean to take away from your party by discussing the security drama. You put together a very nice party. From the turnout I saw I'm sure you had your hands full and you handled things well. Perhaps make someone available at the door to address these issues in the future, a member of your personal staff.

[hyperfunk]

Originally posted by hyperfunk

there were a lot more people that showed up than any of us expected. it was pretty crazy, but from now on, we will figure out a way (aka an additional cost) to have more security on board, and to figure out a better line situation. or use a larger venue.

[Andromeda.]

....so no one thought the contradictive irony of the title was just a little funnay?
:D

[Dj Conspiracy]

like some security was just hoping to liberate a raver from his stash. Not the first time this has happened but still bullshit.

[Hukt On Wax]

Originally posted by andromeda_68
....so no one thought the contradictive irony of the title was just a little funnay?
:D

i would but i get my shirts done at the cleaners :D

[Andromeda.]

lol