Democrat voter fraud and ACORN

[djsence]

If the Democrats pull this off and win the presidential election, the Republican "noise machine" will not simply give up and devote themselves to charity. They will need to undermine and delegitimize President Obama as much and as loudly as possible, non-stop, for the entirety of his term. Early predecessors of this strategy include claims that John Kennedy stole the 1960 election with Chicago Mayor Richard Daley's corrupt machine and reminding everyone that Bill Clinton didn't win a majority of the vote in 1992. But the 2008 version will be even nastier and so much more toxic! Thanks, then, to Roger Stone, old-school GOP Political Operative, for giving us a sneak preview of the complaints you'll be hearing until 2012:

Democratic voter fraud will be greater this year than in any Presidential election since Mayor Richard Daley stuffed the Chicago ballot boxes for JFK in 1960 while Lyndon Johnson had hundreds of thousands of Texas absentee ballots burned before they could be counted.

ACORN, a left-wing activist group that supports Obama, is literally dragging homeless people, people from drug rehab centers, soup kitchens and women in domestic abuse shelters to the polling places for early voting. In Ohio any warm body can register and vote on the same day-an open invitation for voter fraud.

Yes, Voter Registration Drives are indicative of massive fraud! Homeless people may be humans but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to vote. Some of them might be immigrants or something!

The conservative obsession with ACORN obsession has already crossed from the wingnuttier right-wing sites to the slightly less wingnutty right-wing sites and soon it'll be part of the almost-legitimate conversation. With FBI raids of ACORN offices already underway, the very name of the occasionally shady low-income housing community organization will soon become shorthand for the voter fraud that stole the election for Obama.

While Democrats complain of Diebold and voter suppression, Republicans have their terrifying visions of poor black homeless junkies dragged to polling places in exchange for needles. Republican state legislatures have been passing or trying to pass Voter ID laws for years now.

But their campaigns are barely concealed rehashes of the Poll Tax. There's no epidemic of voter fraud, and, as Slate pointed out in 2006, where there is voter fraud it's the kind that isn't stopped by asking everyone to have a birth certificate and drivers' license.

Regardless! It's an easy line for people shocked, shocked that 51% of the country likes Barack Obama. And so, just as for four tedious years liberals bitched about how Bush stole the election just because he lost the popular vote, conservatives have already pre-approved their anti-Obama argument. And more power to them! Because it worked so fucking well for us in 2004, right?

http://gawker.com/5061135/your-grievance-for-the-next-four-years-voter-fraud




Tons of other articles involving voter fraud and ACORN:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&um=1&tab=wn&nolr=1&q=acorn+voter+fraud

[Andromeda.]

Originally posted by djsence
nd so, just as for four tedious years liberals bitched about how Bush stole the election just because he lost the popular vote,

it was so, so much more than that. actually.

[Kohei]

It doesn't shock me that both sides are doing everything in their power to win...that is why my personal view of the government is that although they are tied down through corporate interests, it seems to me like their constant backstabbing and fighting negates any sort of theory about them being a unified body working in concert towards nefarious New World Order goals.

[fuerve]

Originally posted by Kohei
It doesn't shock me that both sides are doing everything in their power to win...that is why my personal view of the government is that although they are tied down through corporate interests, it seems to me like their constant backstabbing and fighting negates any sort of theory about them being a unified body working in concert towards nefarious New World Order goals.

Yeah but every time they pull a stunt like this and get away with it, even though the government loses in the way that you described, the corps and special interests win in proportion to the loss of individual liberty.

Having said that, I wonder if it's legal to auction a vote on Ebay. Like, set up an auction with a million dollar reserve for my vote for some candidate or other. That would go against everything I stand for in society but it would sure pay a lot of bills.

[Nukegrrrl]

Originally posted by djsence
IACORN, a left-wing activist group that supports Obama, is literally dragging homeless people... They are "literally dragging" people to the polls?

LITERALLY!?!

I find that hard to believe.

[djsence]

I don't

I can't view youtube but what is this link to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFPVKHMO4KM&feature=related

[djsteel]

I do.

Open voting is on November 4th? They must have a long way to literally drag these homeless people...

edited to add:
That video is great! "Leave Britney alone!" on meth!

[djsence]

"The ACORN/Obama Voter Registration ‘Thug Thizzle’
Click to view image Wednesday, October 08, 2008
By Michelle Malkin

Systemic corruption of our election process continues. Barack Obama and his old friends at ACORN and Project Vote are leading the way. This radical revolution is taking place in your backyard. And as I’ve reported before, this voter-fraud racket is on your dime.

On Monday, the two liberal groups announced the wrap-up of a 21-state voter registration drive targeting low-income people and minorities in battleground states including Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Florida, New Mexico and Wisconsin.

What’s wrong with that? For starters, these two groups are militant partisan outfits purporting to engage in nonpartisan civic activity. And their campaign comes amid an avalanche of fresh voter-fraud allegations involving ACORN in many of those same key states.

On Tuesday, Nevada state officials raided ACORN’s Las Vegas office after election authorities accused the group of submitting multiple voter registrations with fake and duplicate names.

ACORN, which receives 40 percent of its revenues from American taxpayers to pursue an aggressive welfare-state agenda, has already helped register over 1.27 million people nationwide. The rest of their funding comes from left-wing heavyweights like billionaire George Soros and the Democracy Alliance.

Project Vote, a 501©(3) organization, was founded by left-wing lawyer Sandy Newman to register voters in welfare offices and unemployment lines with the explicit goal of turning back the Reagan revolution.

The two groups are inextricably linked—and at their nexus is Barack Obama.

In 1992, Newman hired Obama to lead Project Vote efforts in Illinois. The Illinois drive’s motto: “It’s a Power Thing.”

As previously noted in this column (“The ACORN Obama Knows,” June 25, 2008), Obama also trained ACORN members in Chicago. In turn, ACORN volunteers worked on his Illinois campaigns and ACORN’s PAC endorsed his primary bid with full backing and muscle.

Despite his adamant denials of any association with the group (his Fight the Smears website now claims “Barack Obama never organized with ACORN”), Obama’s political DNA is encoded with the ACORN agenda.

The Obama campaign’s “Vote for Change” registration drive, running parallel to ACORN/Project Vote, is an all-out scramble to scrape up every last unregistered voter sympathetic to Obama’s big-government vision. “Our volume,” Obama campaign manager David Plouffe bragged of the voter-registration program, “will be enormous.”

Quantity over quality. It’s the ACORN way.

In addition to the Las Vegas raid, fraud allegations keep piling up:

-- Lake County, Ind., election officials this month rejected a large portion of the 5,000 registration forms ACORN turned in after conducting registration drives in the area all summer. Some vote canvassers had pulled names and addresses from telephone books and forged signatures. According to local reports, “large numbers of voter registration forms bore signatures all in the same apparent handwriting style” and “apparently the organization’s canvassers broke rules to meet ACORN-set voter registration quotas to get paid.” The fake registrants included dead people and underage kids.

On a conference call yesterday, GOP officials noted that up to 11,000 voter applications were no good—tying up election officials and jeopardizing the voting rights of untold victims whose identities may have been stolen.

-- month, Milwaukee, Wis., officials discovered at least seven felons employed as voter registration workers for ACORN and another affiliated group. They also uncovered a raft of problematic voter registration cards. The state GOP accused ACORN of attempting to enroll dead, imprisoned or imaginary people to voter rolls. Fraud has plagued ACORN’s Milwaukee chapter since the last election cycle."

[DjBear_PDX]

It's nice to see the Republicans are this concerned about Barrack becoming president.

[seattle science]

These guys are True American Patriots.

[djsence]

1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS
'ACORN PAID ME IN CASH & CIGS'

By JEANE MacINTOSH Post Correspondent
PAWNS IN 'FRAUD': Freddie Johnson, yesterday in Cleveland, and Lateala Goins told of filling out voter registrations multiple times in the ACORN scandal revealed by The Post yesterday.
Last updated: 9:10 am
October 10, 2008
Posted: 4:00 am
October 10, 2008

CLEVELAND - A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, in apparent violation of Ohio laws.

"Sometimes, they come up and bribe me with a cigarette, or they'll give me a dollar to sign up," said Freddie Johnson, 19, who filled out 72 separate voter-registration cards over an 18-month period at the behest of the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

"The ACORN people are everywhere, looking to sign people up. I tell them I am already registered. The girl said, 'You are?' I say, 'Yup,' and then they say, 'Can you just sign up again?' " he said.

Johnson used the same information on all of his registration cards, and officials say they usually catch and toss out duplicate registrations. But the practice sparks fear that some multiple registrants could provide different information and vote more than once by absentee ballot.

ACORN is under investigation in Ohio and at least eight other states - including Missouri, where the FBI said it's planning to look into potential voter fraud - for over-the-top efforts to get as many names as possible on the voter rolls regardless of whether a person is registered or eligible.

It's even under investigation in Bridgeport, Conn., for allegedly registering a 7-year-old girl to vote, according to the State Elections Enforcement Commission.

Meanwhile, a federal judge yesterday ordered Ohio's Secretary of State to verify the identity of newly registered voters by matching them with other government documents. The order was in response to a Republican lawsuit unrelated to the ACORN probe in Cuyahoga County, in which at least three people, including Johnson, have been subpoenaed.

Bribing citizens with gifts, property or anything of value is a fourth-degree felony in Ohio, punishable by up to 18 months in prison. And it's a fifth-degree felony - punishable by 12 months in jail - for a person to pay "compensation on a fee-per-registration" system when signing up someone to vote.

Johnson, who works at a cellphone kiosk in downtown Cleveland, said he was a sitting duck for the signature hunters, but was always happy to help them out in exchange for a smoke or a little scratch. He'd collected 10 to 20 cigarettes and anywhere from $10 to $15, he said.

The Cleveland voting probe, first reported by The Post yesterday, also focused on Lateala Goins, who said she put her name on multiple voter registrations. She guessed ACORN canvassers then put fake addresses on them. "You can tell them you're registered as many times as you want - they do not care," she said.

ACORN spokesman Kris Harsh said the group does not tolerate its workers paying people to sign the voter-registration cards.

ACORN's political wing has endorsed Barack Obama for president, but Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for the Obama campaign in Ohio, said ACORN has no role in its get-out-the-vote drive.

During the primary season, however, the Obama camp paid another group, Citizen Service Inc., $832,598 for various political services, according to Federal Elections Commission filings. That group and ACORN share the same board of directors.

In Wisconsin yesterday, John McCain blasted ACORN.

"No one should be corrupting the most precious right we have, that is the right to vote," he said.

It's a right Johnson will exercise. "Yeah, I've registered enough - I might as well vote."

[Daz]

Originally posted by Nukegrrrl
They are "literally dragging" people to the polls?

LITERALLY!?!

I find that hard to believe.

I live here, they really are literally dragging them.

Hobo drag-offs!

[budaho]

sounds to me like republicans found a good excuse to void hundreds of thousands of legitimate registrations. i bet the number of actual cases of fraudlent registration uncovered won't even come to a fraction of a percent of the votes republicans cancel in the name of it.

[DnBassics]

last i checked homeless people, women in shelters, and rehab patients had voting rights in this country. not sure how it's "registration fraud".

[seattle science]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/news/politics/1_voter__72_registrations_132965.htm

[Kohei]

Originally posted by seattle science
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/news/politics/1_voter__72_registrations_132965.htm

It's fuckin' hilarious to see what people do to try and compensate for the fact that Republicans continually purge huge numbers of valid votes from the rolls through bullshit means, disproportionately targeting poor neighborhoods of color.

[Boyd Main]

Originally posted by djsence
Yes, Voter Registration Drives are indicative of massive fraud! Homeless people may be humans but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to vote. Some of them might be immigrants or something!

You realise that this first article you posted is making fun of you, right?

[djsence]

Originally posted by Boyd Main
You realise that this first article you posted is making fun of you, right?

no.

I didn't see may name mentioned anywhere in the article.

[Boyd Main]

They are making fun of people who see this ACORN registration effort as some sort of OMG EVIL LEFT_WING CNOSPIRACY!!!!!1!!!

Read it again.

"...barely concealed rehashes of the Poll Tax. There's no epidemic of voter fraud..."
"...It's an easy line for people shocked, shocked that 51% of the country likes Barack Obama"
"Homeless people may be humans but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to vote"

It's fiercely sarcastic of the view that you seem to be espousing.

[djsence]

I don't think it is a left-wing thing I think voter fraud has and is happening on both sides. I would like to see an end to it no matrter what party is doing it. Personally I don't see that much difference between lefties and righties. they both believe in what their party tells them to while attempting to cut the other side down. When infact we would get a lot further if they worked together!

[djsteel]

Maybe Im missing something...But it doesn't matter how many times a person registers to vote. Unless they can verify an address and social security number, it doesn't matter how many times you register...You can still only vote once. (if you can verify yourself)

I can apply for the same job 1500 times. If somebody gave me money each time, that is even more benefit...but it doesn't mean Im going to get the postion with 1500 times the pay.

I think this is the assumption that sensationalists are banking on...that you'll think this homeless guy can vote 72 times because he registered 72 times...and they are literally 'being drug to the polls to vote' *eyeroll*

...When in fact, he still probably won't be able to vote unless he can verify an address, his social security and photo id.
...And he certainly won't be able to do this 72 times.


Only 30% of registered voters will vote anyways.

[burnt]

regardless, it isn't a "democrat" or "republican" issue.

its a "poor person who cheats" issue.

I get hit up all the time on the bus to sign petitions. sometimes I say "I already signed it" and they say "well could you sign it again??"

I think there's 2 reasons they say that.

1 - because they're cheaters and want that cash and don't give a fuck about the petition, they're just brokeass temps anyway.

2 - people fucking lie to signature gatherers all the time and say "I already signed it" because they view signature gatherers like spangers, so of course signature gatherers are going to come back with a follow up.

***
steel's right though. computers take care of it. one card per name per household. one household per name. computers take care of that shit. SQL can do some pretty cool shit yo!

republicans are making an issue out of a non-issue, by attacking ACORN, because they don't want more voters.

shit... I just saw John Stossel on ABC the other night urging young voters - 18-21 year olds - to just not vote. on account of, cuz they're ignorant.

[seattle science]

What I love is that when Tim Eyman tries to get initiatives passed around Seattle, the fact that the signature gatherers are paid is like this huge fraud scandal. Then when the actual voters are being paid it's like, wassa big deal?

ACORN rules.

[djsteel]

^^
Because people from Seattle will bitch about everything if they could...even themselves.

...and people from around here don't understand why the rest of the country views them as skinny coffee-drinking whiners...

[budaho]

Originally posted by seattle science
What I love is that when Tim Eyman tries to get initiatives passed around Seattle, the fact that the signature gatherers are paid is like this huge fraud scandal. Then when the actual voters are being paid it's like, wassa big deal?

ACORN rules.

whats wrong with paid signature gatherers?

[Nukegrrrl]

Originally posted by budaho
whats wrong with paid signature gatherers? It perverts the intent of the initiative process, which is that people who aren't in power can introduce laws and amendments. When paid signature gatherers come into play, people and special interest groups with enough $ can pretty much buy laws that suit themselves and not necessarily the people.

[seattle science]

Originally posted by Nukegrrrl
It perverts the intent of the initiative process, which is that people who aren't in power can introduce laws and amendments. When paid signature gatherers come into play, people and special interest groups with enough $ can pretty much buy laws that suit themselves and not necessarily the people.

Don't "the people" still have to sign their names on the initiatives? Does the responsibility not lay with them?

Also, do you think only volunteers should be able to work for political campaigns (like McCain's or Obama's campaign)?

[budaho]

here's a really interesting debate between one of the heads of acorn and the head of the republican organization that is suing them.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/15/acorn

[Cedwyn]

this cartoon says it all:

http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/jim-morin/image_media/750547.html

[burnt]

so lemme get this straight.

Alberto Gonzales and Karl Rove told a lot of US Attorneys to investigate ACORN or else they'd get fired, then the US Attorneys who said "but boss, there's just no fraud here, there's no real case", well they got fired, so Alberto Gonzales was accused of firing US Attorneys for political purposes, (and because he prevented those US Attorneys who actually *KEPT* their jobs from investigating mafia and drug kingpins, and instead focused them on pet issues), and so Alberto Gonzales went to the Senate and swore under oath "gosh I just don't remember a fuckin thing about the last year of my life, sorry guise...", and Karl Rove, well he just said "fuck you subpoena, I don't *WANNA* go to court because you judges are just out to get me"...

... and so ACORN is the bad guy here???!!!! because you know they registered a lot of poor black people who are probably a bunch of cheaters...

did I get that right?

[seattle science]

ACORN got in trouble in Washington state last year -- but it turns out it was just Karl Rove shenanigans? Dang. Sorry ACORN, you're great.

[burnt]

Originally posted by seattle science
ACORN got in trouble in Washington state last year -- but it turns out it was just Karl Rove shenanigans? Dang. Sorry ACORN, you're great.

well ss... maybe dude.

testimony from John McKay, Washington State US Attorney General
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/06/mckay-hastings/

FEINSTEIN: Mr. McKay, did any member of Congress, or their staff, contact you regarding decisions your office was making, whether to conduct an investigation?

McKAY: Yes.

FEINSTEIN: Were you ever contacted by a member of Congress or their staff about the status of the Washington gubernatorial election?

McKAY: Yes, senator.

FEINSTEIN: Who, or what, was the outcome of those contacts?

McKAY: Senator, at some weeks following the 2004 governor’s election in the state of Washington, I received a phone call from the chief of staff to Rep. Doc Hastings of Richland, Washington. The governor’s election had at that time been certified in favor of the Democratic candidate on a third recount by something around 200 votes out of millions cast.

I was told the purpose of the call was to inquire on behalf of the Congressman regarding the status of any federal investigation into the election. I advised Representative Hastings chief of staff of the publicly available information, and that was that the Seattle field office of the FBI and my then office of the US attorney for the western district of Washington was requesting anyone with information about voter fraud to immediately contact the bureau. When the chief of staff began to press me on any future actions by the United States on the election —

FEINSTEIN: Excuse me, who was the chief of staff that called?

McKAY: The chief of staff’s name, it is Ed Cassidy. I understand he’s no longer the chief of staff. When Mr. Cassidy called me on future action, I told him, I stopped him, I told him that I was sure he wasn’t asking me on behalf of his boss to reveal information about an ongoing investigation or to lobby me on one, because we both knew that would be improper. He agreed that it would be improper and ended the conversation in a most expeditious fashion.

I was concerned and dismayed by the call. I immediately summoned the first assistant United States attorney and the criminal chief for my office into my office, and I briefed them on the details of the call. We all agreed that I stopped Mr. Cassidy before he entered clearly inappropriate territory, and it was not necessary to take the matter any further.


Rove & Gonzales' connections to Doc Hastings and their over-reaching concern for Washington State voter fraud:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703140008
What we now know, the details dribbling out. That, in fact, the president, at some point in all of this, did talk to the attorney general, Gonzales, about complaints he was hearing, we're told Karl Rove was hearing, other White House aides, about some of these U.S. attorneys allegedly not performing well. And that some of those concerns and complaints were passed on from the White House to the attorney general, but they're insisting that the president did not direct this.

*****
or to dumb it down for you SS - who is best positioned to catch someone and tattle on someone for having their eyes open during dinnertime prayer? the kid with his eyes open during dinnertime prayer.

who is best positioned to catch voter registration fraud? the guy trying to illegally purge voter registrations, over-scrutinizing voter registrations, and noticing anomolies.

[seattle science]

Didn't ACORN admit and apologize for what happened in Washington?

[burnt]

I think so?

Karl Rove and Alberto Gonzales never admitted and apologized for distracting US Attorney McKay though. nor have they acknowledged their role in discovering ACORN's improprieties by trying to purge hundreds of thousands of valid, legal voters and noticing discrepancies that pointed back to ACORN.

[seattle science]

So wrong X is okay, but wrong Y is fine?

I believe it's possible for two wrongs to exist at the same time. And both remain wrong.

[Nukegrrrl]

Originally posted by seattle science
Also, do you think only volunteers should be able to work for political campaigns (like McCain's or Obama's campaign)? Do you mean paid staff or unpaid volunteers?

[burnt]

Originally posted by seattle science
So wrong X is okay, but wrong Y is fine?

I believe it's possible for two wrongs to exist at the same time. And both remain wrong.

my point was, ACORN employees who did wrong, got busted.

DOJ attorneys who fucked off their projects busting meth dealers so they could lean on ACORN employees still need to get busted.

White House staffers who called DOJ attorneys and said "hey, how about you fuck off those meth cases so you can focus on ACORN or else, you know, you're fired" still need to get busted.

White House executives who ordered staffers to make the calls to DOJ attorneys and then either said "gee whiz I just don't fucking remember" under oath, or - even better - said "you know what, I don't care if I got subponeaed, fuck it all, its just the law..." and skipped court... they still need to get busted.

GOP operatives who purged hundreds of thousands of voters from the record still need to get busted.

and - what else - oh ya. state voting offices have checks and balances. so even if some ACORN flunkie got paid twice for registering me twice to vote... I only got one ballot, I only voted once. thats how it works.

so my point was actually all this talk about ACORN was much ado about nothing, when the real crime was the way the GOP tried to treat this election like we were in fucking Sudan or something.

[seattle science]

Originally posted by Nukegrrrl
Do you mean paid staff or unpaid volunteers?

Do you think anybody should be able to earn money by working toward a political objective?

I.e., if paying people to work signature tables is wrong, then being paid to work for an individual politician's campaign must also be wrong.

[Nukegrrrl]

Originally posted by seattle science
I.e., if paying people to work signature tables is wrong, then being paid to work for an individual politician's campaign must also be wrong. No, because the intent behind the two is very different.

[burnt]

lol what "intent"!

do you really think lobbyists are doing their job for the "cause" ??

lol...

[seattle science]

Originally posted by Nukegrrrl
No, because the intent behind the two is very different.

How so?