LOL at GWB!

[oneandoneisone]

This is classic, what a way to end his presidency!
They are holding the reporter for questioning.. but I think we all know why he did it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePGvxEtvThI

[burnt]

thousands of Iraqis were cheering him on today and demanding the cops release him... they're viewing him as a kind of hero. so local politicians have a real problem on their hands. punish him and they risk pissing off the locals and igniting more insurgencies and angst now that they're finally starting to get a lid on that stuff. let him walk and they risk pissing off the Americans - or I mean " " coalition " " - and igniting some weird rebuttal like the monstrous white phosphorous attack on Fallujah 2 weeks after Fallujah locals played soccer with some Blackwater guys's burned decapitated heads.

I think its hilarious that Bush just stood there grinning and that nobody rushed in to protect him from any further attacks. lol even Maliki just kind of stepped away a few inches.

[djsence]

dude, Bush got the mad skills.

You see him dodge those bad boys. STraight up dodgeball skillz shining thru

[Nukegrrrl]

It's time to let the heeling begin.

[Why Oh]

http://i36.tinypic.com/2uyod3k.gif

That smug grin of his pisses me the fuck off for some reason. I'm just glad that his 8 years is almost up.

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by oneandoneisone
[B]They are holding the reporter for questioning.. but I think we all know why he did it!


Am I the only one in this country who thinks bush didn't do that bad of a job? Faced with as much adversity as he was and things happening during his presidency, I think he did just as well as we could expect any president to.

Obviously this is going to get me flamed, but everyone whines about the president and it gets kind of old.

[Homatek]

Originally posted by Why Oh
That smug grin of his pisses me the fuck off for some reason. I'm just glad that his 8 years is almost up.

I know what you mean. I watched this on the news last night and could not believe he was smiling.

Throwing shoes over there is like a huge diss.
I would like to shake the guy's hand!!

[burnt]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
Am I the only one in this country who thinks bush didn't do that bad of a job? Faced with as much adversity as he was and things happening during his presidency, I think he did just as well as we could expect any president to.

Obviously this is going to get me flamed, but everyone whines about the president and it gets kind of old.

no 18% of Americans agree with you.

[.-=PSYLON=-.]

especially in middle eastern countries.

Tossin a shoe....That's like throwin....poop, or something. I don't know.

But it's a dis, to be sure.

[Hukt On Wax]

Originally posted by burnt
no 18% of Americans agree with you.

that number sounds about 19% to high

[B_tech]

Looking @ that video, it almost looks like it was staged. If someone unknowingly stands up and throws something at me, I will not likely duck that fast, especially with all the media lights to blind me. Must be true... he's got cat-like reflexes.. his friends call him Whiskers (or was that Harry Carey...? lol) He's got A LOT of balls to step foot in Iraq, given how many thousands of innocent people's deaths he's responsible for.

I'd throw my shoes @ him too, if I weren't worried about being thrown into GITMO for doing so.

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by burnt
no 18% of Americans agree with you.

According to CNN, its 31%.

And I'd have to guess that at least 20% that disapprove would flip flop if we weren't at war.

Someone needs to be the scapegoat for whats happening, and it's him. If American's weren't blaming him, who would they blame for the current state of our economy? Themselves? Yea right....

[Effendi]

and not a grenade.

[akyouser.oner]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
Am I the only one in this country who thinks bush didn't do that bad of a job? Faced with as much adversity as he was and things happening during his presidency, I think he did just as well as we could expect any president to.

Obviously this is going to get me flamed, but everyone whines about the president and it gets kind of old.

Not that he caused any of it, right? LOL

I try to stay away from propaganda, but 9/11 is pretty fucking fishy any way you look at it...

[burnt]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
According to CNN, its 31%.

And I'd have to guess that at least 20% that disapprove would flip flop if we weren't at war.

Someone needs to be the scapegoat for whats happening, and it's him. If American's weren't blaming him, who would they blame for the current state of our economy? Themselves? Yea right....

I suppose you're partly right. 18% believe he's doing an "excellent" job, 31% believe its "fair" or "excellent"... so what is that. 13% ?

13% of Americans believe he's doing an "ok" job. or "moderate" as the case may be.

suffice to say, you're in the minority. but the man's definitely been scapegoated. oh well though. I grew up livin' in hick country and I never liked the man from day one... he's a fuckin' poser. a coca-cola cowboy. got an Eastwood smile and Robert Redford hair, or so the song goes.

[oneandoneisone]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
Am I the only one in this country who thinks bush didn't do that bad of a job?

Well.. if he wasn't such a fucking puppet then I'd agree with you. But he is a president that acted in the interest of the wealthy and the powerful, rather than in the interest of the people. Or in his own personal interest, like Scott said doing pretty much whatever he wanted... that's not the way it's supposed to work.

Plus I agree with WhyOh. If he wasn't such a smug asshole about everything he might have appealed to more people.

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by oneandoneisone
Well.. if he wasn't such a fucking puppet then I'd agree with you.

That's exactly the point!

Everyone acts like HE invaded iraq. Bullshit. He's the person who announces the decision, but if you think the president makes decisions like that you are sadly mistaken. Any president would have been advised by his cabinet and whoever makes the actual decisions to do so. Anyone who thinks that HE himself made those decisions is a fool.

And effendi - no reason to get so hostile. I heard we were all able to have our own opinions. I read relatively often, and am pretty well educated, so maybe you should get your facts straight before throwing out slanderous insults. Find one president who never did anything scandalous or shady, and I'll give you the gold star you seem to want so desperately.

[oneandoneisone]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
That's exactly the point!

Everyone acts like HE invaded iraq. Bullshit. He's the person who announces the decision, but if you think the president makes decisions like that you are sadly mistaken. Any president would have been advised by his cabinet and whoever makes the actual decisions to do so. Anyone who thinks that HE himself made those decisions is a fool.

Ok.. well if you're going to argue that he is a puppet president put in place to carry out the acts of other assholes in power, then I'll agree with you. But how stupid do you have to be to be that guy? I don't even understand why he got elected (election fraud is part of it) but he has no charisma, is a total jackass, and is clearly unfit to run a country.

I do think that Americans are to blame as well, why wasn't there more widespread protesting? I don't know if it was media censorship or corrupt government, but I wish there had been more of a force to protest and reverse some of the actions of this administration... were we all to comfortable? Or too stupid to do anything about it?

[Cethe]

Originally posted by oneandoneisone
but I wish there had been more of a force to protest and reverse some of the actions of this administration... were we all to comfortable? Or too stupid to do anything about it?

i think even the libs that hate GW are generally still to scared, comfrotable and ill informed to really feel they must/can do something.

my thoughts are multi fold along those lines...

my major issue being information...read one bit that says one thing, another that's totaly different take, and sometimes even more versions come about...making it very difficult to discern what is actually going on.

[Effendi]

I am recusing myself from this thread and erasing my posts.

This just isn't a worthy conversation.

[B_tech]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
Everyone acts like HE invaded iraq. Bullshit. He's the person who announces the decision,
He signed the order, so he has the ultimate responsibility for the act. He also tasked his staff with drumming up the approval FOR the act. Everyone knows that Congress will do whatever is drummed up in public opinion, so by his cabinet getting Iraq all over the news and in the UN, HE DID, in fact, start the whole thing.

Ergo, he's culpable, no matter how you look at it.

[tr0llaccount]

that reporter should play qb for the lions. looks like he's got a decent arm.

[Homatek]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
Obviously this is going to get me flamed, but everyone whines about the president and it gets kind of old.

We whine because he is running OUR COUNTRY.
We have a right to whine, ecspecailly when people are dying
because of poor choices made.

Not to mention......HES AN IDIOT!!!

[411]

who throws a shoe...honestly!

[FREEEZZ]

Originally posted by Effendi
and not a grenade.

lol this board has made Effendi a democrat!

[tr0llaccount]

Originally posted by Homatek
We whine because he is running OUR COUNTRY.
We have a right to whine, ecspecailly when people are dying
because of poor choices made.

Not to mention......HES AN IDIOT!!!

if you think he's solely to blame for 'people dying,' you're an idiot.

[thatguy]

Originally posted by 411
who throws a shoe...honestly!


LOL! all I can think of now is DR. Evil's smirk!

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by tr0llaccount
if you think he's solely to blame for 'people dying,' you're an idiot.

qft

Hate our country, but the president is just a figurehead, nothing more. Don't blame him for the economy, blame the stupid people who got credit cards or loans they couldnt afford and defaulted. Don't blame him for the war, blame the people who persuaded him to invade.

You guys act like he literally runs the country, and I can guarantee you that isn't true. IF he actually ran the country, there wouldn't be any way that public vote would decide the position. The only reason sthe president exists is to provide a figure as the established "leader" and to appease the public by making them think they have more sway on our country than they actually do.

[Effendi]

Originally posted by FREEEZZ
lol this board has made Effendi a democrat!

Never!!

I am a Libertarian, I just can't believe the fucking tards here giving w the break, that traitor motherfucker should be SHOT!!

lost-in trance is an idiot!!, but what would you expect from someone, well, lost in trance?

bush is 100% responsible for not only deciding SOLO to go to Iraq but for creating false intelligence to accomplish it. Anyone that thinks otherwise, should actually read a little history.

Even the Nazi's lasted 12 years, but thanks to this asshole, the new American century only lasted for 8 years. we are finished!!

This morning I read that China and Russia and Venezuela and many other Latin American countries are having a world summit WITHOUT the United States. We are NO ONE Anymore.

[Hollywood]

Originally posted by Why Oh
http://i36.tinypic.com/2uyod3k.gif

That smug grin of his pisses me the fuck off for some reason. I'm just glad that his 8 years is almost up.


dude a cute puppy pisses you off...ofc his smile would...


I love how the other guy trys to bat the 2nd shoe away...they both are cocky as shit...like saying what...thats all you got! psh!

Originally posted by Effendi


bush is 100% responsible for not only deciding SOLO to go to Iraq but for creating false intelligence to accomplish it. Anyone that thinks otherwise, should actually read a little history.


Okay...even if bush did sell the US on Iraq....wasn't Sadam a...umm.BAD guy...didn't he...UMMM try to commit Genocide....didn't he use chimecal weapons on areas of towns with childern. and hospitols....yeah thought so...personaly I think it was a good idea just badly planned....

[B_tech]

Originally posted by Effendi

This morning I read that China and Russia and Venezuela and many other Latin American countries are having a world summit WITHOUT the United States. We are NO ONE Anymore.
I heard that mentioned on the news the other day... the 'American Era' is over, some say. BUT... China is still our bitch. Without our disgusting consumption of crap, their economy is tanking too... there's some solice there.

[Effendi]

Originally posted by Hollywood
[QUOTE]
Okay...even if bush did sell the US on Iraq....wasn't Sadam a...umm.BAD guy.

A no...he was OUR guy. He did for years what we have done in masse the last 6 years, put down the "insurgency" if Saddam was wrong, then we are wrong, we are doing what he did only on a massive scale.

..didn't he...UMMM try to commit Genocide....

No he didn't, he simply "checked" anti-government forces, just like we're doing.

didn't he use chimecal weapons on areas of towns with childern. and hospitols....yeah thought so...

A NO, you need to read dude, your a monkey hear, monkey repeat.

Saddam DID gas a kurdish village in the North that killed 5,000 people. He did it WITH OUR GAS, and UNDER OUR INSTRUCTIONS, in order to keep the Kurds (Ottomans) in check.

personaly I think it was a good idea just badly planned....
Which was a good idea? Taking out our man Saddam or killing a million Iraqis?

Remember that WE armed him and controlled him for many years in his war with the evil Iranians.

I'm sorry, but I can't discuss something with people who have ZERO knowledge base.

I understand you're young and repeat what you hear, but that is NOT a way to be informed and successful in life!!

[B_tech]

Originally posted by Effendi
No he didn't, he simply "checked" anti-government forces, just like we're doing.

I'll disagree here. I don't know if 'genocide' is the right word, but he targeted only one ethnic group; he didn't pull that shit on the Shia.

I will give Saddam this: He kept the 'extremists' in check (albeit through fear).

[Effendi]

He didn't kill Sunni since he was a Sunni, he mainly targeted the Shia.

Not us, we kill them ALL and let God sort them out.

There is no distinction in American eyes, We killed hella Sunni (Bathists) then we started killing the Shia (Under Al Sadr) and then we paid the Shia to stand down and finished killing the Sunni, now we are once again facing the Shia.

Saddam did what he had to do, the only thing that Nomadic Arab tribesmen understand, he used force.

The important thing is that he killed thousands and we didn't like it so we went in and killed millions. Fair trade off I suppose.

[killbaine]

Quit bitching and do something about it. I'm fucking sick and tired of sitting here reading about how all of you are so outraged about what has gone on in the last 8 years. I have a question for all of you. What the fuck have you done to change anything? My guess is that its nothing.

And for those of you who think that the "American age" is over, thank the fucking gods. Maybe now, we can think about getting this fucking country back on its feet instead of trying to help failing third world nations, and the starving etheopians. Sorry, but I could personaly care less about some fucking kid over in etheopia dying of starvation, because his people are stuck in the fucking dark ages. Especially when we have people here, in our own fucking country, who can't get enough to eat. They can't get enough to eat because were too busy sending crackers to some kid we'll never see. And half of it gets stolen by warlords and the people in power who hoard it and keep it from the people in their own countries.

We need to pull all of our troops back to america. Kick out all of the illegal aliens and imigrants. Build a 50 foot tall wall around mexico, with one entrance and exit. And fucking worry about america. We need to be a seperatist nation again. FUCK THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by Effendi
lost-in trance is an idiot!!, but what would you expect from someone, well, lost in trance?

It's sad seeing someone who obviously appears to be intelligent lower themself to the level of name calling. What a waste of intelligence.

[Effendi]

But c'mon dude, your comments were lost-in-reality.

But you're right, hard to learn anything when I'm acting like an asshole, sorry!!

[djsence]

Where was the freaking secret service? That shoe missed him by a few inches. Why was it so easy for this man to get so close to Bush? Like Bush or not, either way you must understand this is actually a serious matter. I hope nothing happens to Obama...

[A D I D A S]

....There have been many countries and leaders actually committing genocide. We turn a blind eye. Saddam, in the world view, wasn't that bad, and we did fund him / train his troops, and provide weapons over a long time.

Look into what happened in Rwanda for example, genocide of 800,000 people. and we refused to do shit. Bush and his administration lead the media, which leads the people, which gives him support to do what he wants, like occupy iraq. He cannot be solely blamed, but he put out the bate that made everyone bite on his agenda. We need to fucking take care of our OWN country before we "help" others. Shit, we are still closing tons of schools because we can't afford to fund them.




Back on topic, I'm shocked that the secret service too soo long to get out there. 2 shoes thrown, the other reporters tackled the guy, bush is amused, then the back door swings open and the secret service come out all serious like, after everything has been stopped. You'd think there would be more attention to his safety in IRAQ!

[gingerballs]

Originally posted by A D I D A S
then the back door swings open and the secret service come out all serious like,


There was a taco bar in the back.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/8/13/tacos128630952232747225.jpg

[Homatek]

Originally posted by tr0llaccount
if you think he's solely to blame for 'people dying,' you're an idiot.

Did I say solely??
I don't recall that.

The goverment and the president do have more
power then we think though.

[Roddimus]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
qft

Hate our country, but the president is just a figurehead, nothing more.
the president appoints supreme court justices. the president appoints federal reserve governors. the president is in charge of the military, CIA and NSA. the president sets federal budgets.
that's one poweful figurehead if you ask me.
Don't blame him for the economy, blame the stupid people who got credit cards or loans they couldnt afford and defaulted.
aw, and i thought i might be able to blame him for employing a federal reserve that artificially set interest rates way too low, causing cheap credit to run rampant. thanks for setting me straight.
Don't blame him for the war, blame the people who persuaded him to invade.
yeah, he bares no responsibility whatsoever for knowingly promoting false iraqi intelligence and covering up the real intelligence to save face.

[BobbyRitalin]

Originally posted by Effendi
But c'mon dude, your comments were lost-in-reality.

But you're right, hard to learn anything when I'm acting like an asshole, sorry!!

i give scott a lot of credit for some of the things that he says, because he reads and understands what he reads. i will also give him credit on this statement because he also admits to learn from other people while talking to him.

anyhow, i don't have any comment on this thread, just wanted to say that.

[gingerballs]

I don't think he should have said sorry.

Lost in Trance is a fairly large douche bag.

[BobbyRitalin]

Originally posted by Homatek
The goverment and the president do have more
power then we think though.

http://www.dvdplaza.fi/reviews/images/heman46_000.jpg


THEY HAVE THE POWER OF GREYSKULL!!

[meeotch]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/meeotch/random/newtonscradle.jpg

[burnt]

Originally posted by Roddimus

yeah, he bares no responsibility whatsoever for knowingly promoting false iraqi intelligence and covering up the real intelligence to save face.

nor was he in any way responsible for demanding an overhaul of the Survival Evasion Resistance and Escape policies (against veteran military/pentagon policy-makers' advice) to use "advanced interrogation techniques" (aka "torture") even after both the military/pentagon and the Senate proved direct correlations between torture and faulty intelligence, and torture and insurgent/terrorist retaliation:

http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=305735

no that shit caught him off guard too.

***
hey is it ok to call him a shitty leader on account of all the overwhelming amounts of shit that kept catching him off guard and that he had no control of even though lower-tier nerds saw the shit storm coming a mile away?

lets review:

- failure to investigate domestic terrorism before the 9/11 attacks (longest vacation of any president, ever, the summer before the 9/11 attacks)

- failure to correctly analyze Iraqi intelligence, leading us into an expensive and un-necessary war

- failure to prevent the propogation of both the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan/Pakistan... failure to organize military and economic presence to hold the true culprits of 9/11 at bay or bring them to justice

- failure to heed the advice of weather nerds and structure nerds, who predicted the horrible acts of god in New Orleans... and the bridge in Minneapolis

- failure to protect an overwhelming number of Americans against predatory lenders, resulting in one of the worst credit crisises since the great depression

- failure to work with industry leaders, failure to grow new industries and markets after outsourcing became such a huge trend... failure to ensure the creation of new jobs before economic and marketplace factors manifested a loss of over 2 million jobs in 2008 alone

- failure to properly fund the massive new Homeland Security and No Child Left Behind programs he started

- failure to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden (and failure to create an atmosphere of urgency by making statements such as "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority.")

- failure to retain the secret identities of leaders in the CIA

- failure to restore dignity to the white house, as promised

[burnt]

ohhhhhhh, but I'm being unfair. after all, its just a "figurehead" position when it comes to this stuff. plus, in all fairness, he *has* accomplished a lot!

let's review:

- created a clandestine program with leaders of voice, data and finance industry to spy on over half of all Americans, with robust data mining and reporting capabilities

- personally wrote over 750 signing statements before passing congressional bills into law, many of which served as the equivalent of a line-item veto

- hired, then fired, 11 different US attorneys mid-term

- removed that pesky habeas corpus thingymabob

- participated in over 25 press conferences

[tr0llaccount]

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emondomor/bushpies.gif

http://www.kuvalauta.fi/b/src/122934142923.gif

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/7173/12293865528381rn6.gif

[burnt]

awesome. the Iraqi police tortured the guy who threw the shoe. and now they want to charge him with a crime but they're not sure what crime to charge him with.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7785338.stm

glad we got rid of that Saddam fucker with his unethical torture chambers and penchant for torturing people who dared to speak out against him... and replaced him with someone who... oh, wait, shi-

[.-=PSYLON=-.]

Originally posted by burnt
awesome. the Iraqi police tortured the guy who threw the shoe. and now they want to charge him with a crime but they're not sure what crime to charge him with.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7785338.stm

glad we got rid of that Saddam fucker with his unethical torture chambers and penchant for torturing people who dared to speak out against him... and replaced him with someone who... oh, wait, shi-

OH yeah, our grandchildren are gonna be dealing with this bush..er...bullshit.

A people don't soon forget the country that invaded them, and destroyed their infrastructure, only to leave a swath of chaos in their wake. GJ Bush team. Thanks for securing our place as a world aggressor for GENERATIONS to come.

[hamsturbation]

Originally posted by oneandoneisone
Well.. if he wasn't such a fucking puppet then I'd agree with you. But he is a president that acted in the interest of the wealthy and the powerful, rather than in the interest of the people.
All presidents from the beginning of the US have acted in the interest of the wealthy and powerful. Do you really think the american revolution was about the common man?

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by gingerballs
I don't think he should have said sorry.

Lost in Trance is a fairly large douche bag.

Coming from you this comment is meaningless.

Sure GWB isn't the best president we have ever had, but any president in office right now would be under scrutiny as a result of all the current events that have transpired over the last 8 years. Aside from presidents in major wars and the great depression, I can't think of another presidency that has had as many incidents as this last one.

Sure, it was his policies that dropped interest rates so low that it worsened the economic crisis. But the economic crisis existed even before that, and that was an attempt to pull us out. It was an attempt to preemptively rectify our financial problems that obviously didn't work out.

All I'm saying is that regardless of the president, we would be in a similar situation that we are in now. It's impossible to say if another president could have done better. They could have tried the same moves to try to fix our banking woes or they could have tried something else that could have had much more dire consequences. Hindsight is 20/20...

[Nukegrrrl]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
I can't think of another presidency that has had as many incidents as this last one.I wonder why?


<crickets...>

[djed]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
Coming from you this comment is meaningless.

Sure GWB isn't the best president we have ever had, but any president in office right now would be under scrutiny as a result of all the current events that have transpired over the last 8 years. Aside from presidents in major wars and the great depression, I can't think of another presidency that has had as many incidents as this last one.

Sure, it was his policies that dropped interest rates so low that it worsened the economic crisis. But the economic crisis existed even before that, and that was an attempt to pull us out. It was an attempt to preemptively rectify our financial problems that obviously didn't work out.

All I'm saying is that regardless of the president, we would be in a similar situation that we are in now. It's impossible to say if another president could have done better. They could have tried the same moves to try to fix our banking woes or they could have tried something else that could have had much more dire consequences. Hindsight is 20/20...

yea, true.

[djed]

Originally posted by Homatek
We whine because he is running OUR COUNTRY.
We have a right to whine, ecspecailly when people are dying
because of poor choices made.

Not to mention......HES AN IDIOT!!!

its kind of retarder to put sole blame on the president when we would have most likely went to war with iraq regaudless of who is president.

people put wat too much blame on the president when it is the behavior of the entire country that leads us to the situation that were in.

[Roddimus]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
Sure, it was his policies that dropped interest rates so low that it worsened the economic crisis. But the economic crisis existed even before that, and that was an attempt to pull us out. It was an attempt to preemptively rectify our financial problems that obviously didn't work out.
i'd argue it made it much, much worse.
All I'm saying is that regardless of the president, we would be in a similar situation that we are in now.
not every president would have allowed record low interest rates AND racked up record current account deficits AND fired treasury secretaries who opposed those deficits.
It's impossible to say if another president could have done better.
but it is possible to say bush DID do a horrible, horrible job. assuming, of course, you're able to honestly recognize a job poorly done.

[mercuria]

Originally posted by A D I D A S
...I'm shocked that the secret service too soo long to get out there. 2 shoes thrown, the other reporters tackled the guy, bush is amused, then the back door swings open and the secret service come out all serious like, after everything has been stopped. You'd think there would be more attention to his safety in IRAQ!
that was the first thing that came to our minds when we saw this.
somewhat suspicious, i think.

W has great dodging skills. no wonder -- he spent 8 years dodging all sorts of uncomfortable situations and events.

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by Nukegrrrl
I wonder why?


<crickets...>

lol you obviously misunderstood. When I say incidents I don't mean things the president has done. I mean things out of his control that he was forced to deal with. 9/11, Russia attacking Georgia, the economic crisis, Wars with Iraq and Afghanistan (regardless of whether those were HIS fault).

I'm just saying it's not nearly as black and white as everyone seems to make it.

[.-=PSYLON=-.]

Originally posted by mercuria

W has great dodging skills. no wonder -- he spent 8 years dodging all sorts of uncomfortable situations and events.

Zing!

Heyoooooooo!

Good one.

[djed]

Originally posted by Roddimus



but it is possible to say bush DID do a horrible, horrible job. assuming, of course, you're able to honestly recognize a job poorly done.

i always wonder if you could say that he did a great job for his issue at hand, whatever that may be, but im sure all the decisions he made as president benifited someone and helped out some group of people. besides, its not even his sole decision, it may appear to be that way, but it makes no sense to me that the people in this country who have the most influence on who becomes president just handed it over to some idiot, im sure he was just doimng what he was told by some other person. I dont think he made any of those decisions on his own, it must have been a well thuoght out plan by someone else.

[B_tech]

Originally posted by A D I D A S

Back on topic, I'm shocked that the secret service too soo long to get out there. 2 shoes thrown,
That only affirms my belief that it was staged.

[Roddimus]

Originally posted by djed
i always wonder if you could say that he did a great job for his issue at hand, whatever that may be, but im sure all the decisions he made as president benifited someone and helped out some group of people. besides, its not even his sole decision, it may appear to be that way, but it makes no sense to me that the people in this country who have the most influence on who becomes president just handed it over to some idiot, im sure he was just doimng what he was told by some other person. I dont think he made any of those decisions on his own, it must have been a well thuoght out plan by someone else.
is bush suddenly not an individual able to make choices and take responsibility for those choices simply because he has handlers?
i agree he was executing an agenda, but that doesn't absolve him of the responsibility inherent in executing that agenda. at any moment he could have manned up, exercised his authority and said no.

[Nukegrrrl]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
lol you obviously misunderstood. When I say incidents I don't mean things the president has done. I mean things out of his control that he was forced to deal with. 9/11, Russia attacking Georgia, the economic crisis, Wars with Iraq and Afghanistan (regardless of whether those were HIS fault).You are correct in saying that I'm obviously failing to understand your logic. Because no matter how I look at it I don't see how any of the listed items could have, or should have, been out of Bush's, or any president's, control.

[sea.envy]

Originally posted by djed
i always wonder if you could say that he did a great job for his issue at hand, whatever that may be, but im sure all the decisions he made as president benifited someone and helped out some group of people. besides, its not even his sole decision, it may appear to be that way, but it makes no sense to me that the people in this country who have the most influence on who becomes president just handed it over to some idiot, im sure he was just doimng what he was told by some other person. I dont think he made any of those decisions on his own, it must have been a well thuoght out plan by someone else.

precisely. and this argument about the figurehead thing is being taken wrong. yes the pres. has a lot of responsibilities. the question here is whether he is making all of these decisions, or any of them really. absolutely not. he's a figurehead, the guy publicly calling the shots, when in actuality those shots have been called on way before hand. i don't need a list of stuff this pres. has done. "he" didn't actually do shit, our government did.

[sea.envy]

Originally posted by Roddimus
is bush suddenly not an individual able to make choices and take responsibility for those choices simply because he has handlers?
i agree he was executing an agenda, but that doesn't absolve him of the responsibility inherent in executing that agenda. at any moment he could have manned up, exercised his authority and said no.

i think you're giving him more credit than he deserves. :)

[Effendi]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
Russia attacking Georgia,

Dude, the Russians did NOT attack Georgia, where do you get this mis-information from anyway?

The zionist and American backed Georgians attacked Russian passport carrying citizens in South Ossetia and Russia came to the defense of her citizens.

Your information is completely back-ass-ward.

Can you PLEASE just try to type accurate information if you insist on being in the conversation.

[burnt]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-cheney16-2008dec16,0,5456856.story

ya, right, ok. "figurehead". "puppet". ok.

[B_tech]

ehhhh not exactly Scott. South Ossetia stated or made steps to break off of Georgie and become part of Russia, but Georgia didn't want that, so they attacked the local govt. But you're right, Russia didn't pre-emtively attack Georgia.

Do we really need to bring 'zionists' into this discussion?

[Plerr]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
I mean things out of his control that he was forced to deal with...Wars with Iraq and Afghanistan (regardless of whether those were HIS fault).

I'm just saying it's not nearly as black and white as everyone seems to make it.

1. Iraq and Afgahnistan were wars that could not have occured without the Presidents orders. These wars were not out of his control.

2. The bulk of the problems (and the most severe problems) Bush has faced have been a result of the consequences of his own behavior/actions/policies.

3. Blame needn't be a binary, either/or (black/white) equation. Bush doesn't hvae to be the sole conspirator, the master-mind, or the ring-leader in order to bare full and utter responsibility for the consequences of his own actions..

[burnt]

Originally posted by Plerr
1. Iraq and Afgahnistan were wars that could not have occured without the Presidents orders. These wars were not out of his control.


this is actually pretty epic right here.

our Congress is the *ONLY* branch of government which can legally declare war. our Congress has never declared war against Iraq.

the head of the executive branch - aka, the President, aka the Commander In Chief - is allowed to send his military anywhere he wants to do anything he wants, for a maximum of 180 days.

at that point, the troops must either be sent back, or the head of the executive branch - akd the president, Commander In Chief, etc - must request an extension.

Bush has, in fact, refused to follow through on that simple constitutional rule:

Bush Officials: Congress Irrelevant On Iraq
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/03/military_iraqpact_030408w/

so again - I think its pretty far-reaching to say he's been "hands-off" or "just a figurehead", and I think its pretty far-reaching to blame "the government" when the vast majority of "the government" has been pretty hands-off when it comes to Iraq policy.

[Effendi]

Originally posted by B_tech

Do we really need to bring 'zionists' into this discussion?

Yea Brandon, credit where credit is due. It was the zionists in israel and America that backed zionist Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili. It was American uniforms, guns and tanks supplied by American zionists that gave him the nutsack to think he could attack South Ossetia and get away with it.

It was the false hope of the israeli zionists that they might use South Ossetia as a jump off point in an attack on Iran...FAIL

When he took over the reins of Georgia from Eduard Shevardnadze in 2003, the first thing he did was appoint an israeli zionist named David Kezerashvili as his defense minister and invite the zionist virus into Russian territory.

When asked about zionist arms and support in the conflict:

"The Israeli weapons have proved very effective," he said at a press conference at his office. When asked whether the Israeli arms played a role in the military successes he claimed the Georgian army had achieved, he joked: "Are you asking me as a representative of Elbit or of Israel Aerospace Industries?" (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1011298.html)

Fortunately the zionist lapdog got his ass kicked by the Russian army and that sent the neo-con zionist cockroaches running for the shadows.

So YEA, under Shevardnadze, the zionist had no pull in Georgia, but as soon as the zionist lapdog Saakashvili got his paws in power and allowed encouraged the virus that is zionism to take a foothold in Georgia, then naturally it was only a short matter of time before many people started dying.

It is always the way with the zionist, that's why they need to be quickly and violently eradicated like the vermin they are and remanded to the pages of history like their failed predecessors the Nazi's.

The world will be a much better place when zionism is gone for good!! Unfortunately, the zionist leaders have decidedly intentionally attached the fate of the entire jewish people to the failed racist apartheid policies of zionism, and 98% of jews (like yourself) have attached themselves to the evil virus. This will only result in their eventual demise like so many other times in history.

No worries, You create your own reality!!

[B_tech]

haha. noted. Man, I really should get my 'zionist' membership card updated, so when they take over the world, i get my uppance and getsss paaaaiiddd!

[Effendi]

.
You make fun now, but when you are held accountable for supporting evil, I bet you aren't laughing then.

There have been many arrogant fools who laughed just before they cried!!

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by Effendi
Dude, the Russians did NOT attack Georgia, where do you get this mis-information from anyway?

The zionist and American backed Georgians attacked Russian passport carrying citizens in South Ossetia and Russia came to the defense of her citizens.

Your information is completely back-ass-ward.

Can you PLEASE just try to type accurate information if you insist on being in the conversation.

Still, the bottom line is this: Georgia should have stepped back from the brink—and should still do so if it has a chance—but Russia's deployment of such a large and carefully prepared force, not only in South Ossetia but in the rest of Georgia, is totally unacceptable. And the other indisputable conclusion? Wherever the blame for this week's escalation is finally laid, the West has very little influence on the outcome. Saakashvili's appeals for help and moral support—"This is not about Georgia," he told CNN, "it is about America, its values"—aren't going to come to much unless Russia wants them to.

did a search for russia invades georgia and read the first few replies. Maybe I am misinformed, but so are these people.

http://www.slate.com/id/2197155/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/08/08/russia-invades-georgia-bringing-the-countries-very-close-to-war-115875-20689274/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/08/11/DI2008081101674.html

[Effendi]

You typed in "Russia invades Georgia" and got back a bunch of zionist rag hyperboyle.

ASK THE REAL WORLD what happened dude.

Actually, I really don't care what you believe, you have shown yourself to be one to accept and repeat what you hear rather than research a subject on your own.

If Russia invaded S Ossetia as you claim and killed Georgians, then research who really belonged there in the first place?

Research who fired the first shots and where they were fired.

Research Georgian soldiers throwing hand grenades into cellars of women and children in Tbilisi.

Research the passports and citizenship of the people of South Ossetia.

Last but not least. Ask a REAL Journalist on this board who lives there and reported fully on this story about what REALLY happened.

Her name is Irina and she posts under the moniker Mecuria here.

Ask her what really happened, who invaded who and why.

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by Effendi
You typed in "Russia invades Georgia" and got back a bunch of zionist rag hyperboyle.

ASK THE REAL WORLD what happened dude.

Actually, I really don't care what you believe, you have shown yourself to be one to accept and repeat what you hear rather than research a subject on your own.

If Russia invaded S Ossetia as you claim and killed Georgians, then research who really belonged there in the first place?

Research who fired the first shots and where they were fired.

Research Georgian soldiers throwing hand grenades into cellars of women and children in Tbilisi.

Research the passports and citizenship of the people of South Ossetia.

Last but not least. Ask a REAL Journalist on this board who lives there and reported fully on this story about what REALLY happened.

Her name is Irina and she posts under the moniker Mecuria here.

Ask her what really happened, who invaded who and why.

I don't give a fuck why it happened. That is far beyond the context of my original post. All I was defending was that it did happen, warranted or not.

Christ, this reminds me why I never talk with anyone about politics. Turns into a shit slinging match far too quickly. Almost as bad as discussing religion.

[Effendi]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
I don't give a fuck why it happened.

There in lies the real truth, you don't give a fuck enough to even research the truth before you post a line of hype.

That is far beyond the context of my original post. All I was defending was that it did happen, warranted or not.

And I'm saying it did NOT happen.
Russia did not "invade" anyone. Georgia invaded S Ossetia and Russia defended her citizens...GET IT RIGHT!!

If Mexican troops decided to take over the town of Albuquerque and the US Government sent forces their to expel them, would a fair headline read

"US Army invades New Mexico"

You can't "Invade" what is already yours, but you can go there and defend it. There is a big difference.

Christ, this reminds me why I never talk with anyone about politics.

It is because you are grossly uninformed and have no clue what you are talking about.

This is not a matter of opinion, it either happened or it didn't.
All I'm asking is that you get your facts straight before you type them or I'm going to call you on it everytime.

Are you new around here?

Turns into a shit slinging match far too quickly. Almost as bad as discussing religion.
Religion is alot of opinion, what happened LAST YEAR in the caucuses can be directly verified as having happened or not.

I'm not slinging shit, I'm just correcting your false dictate of very recent history.

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by Effendi
There in lies the real truth, you don't give a fuck enough to even research the truth before you post a line of hype.

And I'm saying it did NOT happen.
Russia did not "invade" anyone. Georgia invaded S Ossetia and Russia defended her citizens...GET IT RIGHT!!

If Mexican troops decided to take over the town of Albuquerque and the US Government sent forces their to expel them, would a fair headline read

"US Army invades New Mexico"

You can't "Invade" what is already yours, but you can go there and defend it. There is a big difference.

It is because you are grossly uninformed and have no clue what you are talking about.

This is not a matter of opinion, it either happened or it didn't.
All I'm asking is that you get your facts straight before you type them or I'm going to call you on it everytime.

Are you new around here?

Religion is alot of opinion, what happened LAST YEAR in the caucuses can be directly verified as having happened or not.

I'm not slinging shit, I'm just correcting your false dictate of very recent history.

I never claimed to be up on politics. I tried to interject my opinion and was attacked from every angle for it.

I refuse to get my facts straight before posting though. I will do a little research, but will not guarantee that I won't use bad information. So continue to call me on it, and I'll continue to throw half backed up blanket statements about subjects that I know little to nothing about. It's far more entertaining for me that way.

[B_tech]

Originally posted by Effendi

Russia did not "invade" anyone. Georgia invaded S Ossetia and Russia defended her citizens...GET IT RIGHT!!

S Ossetia is currently within Georgian borders, NOT Russian. Disputed or no, it's most certainly NOT a Russian territory and just like you said, you can't invade something you already own, so Georgia didn't 'invade' anything. They ATTACKED the local population for their attempts/desire to break off and become absorbed into Russia.

And to your earlier rambling about zionist desires to use it for attacks on Iran.... you wanna tell me how the purple area could be or would WANT to be used to attack Iran?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Georgia_high_detail_map.png

[Effendi]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
I never claimed to be up on politics. I tried to interject my opinion and was attacked from every angle for it.

False.

I attacked you because when I corrected you, you went back and found false information to post up to "prove" you were right to begin with when you were just wrong.

I refuse to get my facts straight before posting though.

lol, You wouldn't believe the times Peter or Burnt or Plerr or one of these guys have corrected some part of what I typed as being wrong.

I usually go back and research it, looking to prove I was right, only to find out they were right and I have to quietly retract my comment.


I will do a little research, but will not guarantee that I won't use bad information. So continue to call me on it, and I'll continue to throw half backed up blanket statements about subjects that I know little to nothing about. It's far more entertaining for me that way.

Touche' salesman, better for the rest of us as well.

[djed]

Originally posted by sea.envy
i think you're giving him more credit than he deserves. :)

exactly, he could have grown a backbone, but really, who would expect that to actually happen. he prob still go down as one of the worst prez in history though

[killbaine]

I haven't seen a good argument with LIT on here in a while. But maybe thats cuz I don't post in SUP anymore. But back on topic. Blow them all up. Everyone.

[djed]

Originally posted by Plerr


3. Blame needn't be a binary, either/or (black/white) equation. Bush doesn't hvae to be the sole conspirator, the master-mind, or the ring-leader in order to bare full and utter responsibility for the consequences of his own actions..

good point

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by djed
exactly, he could have grown a backbone, but really, who would expect that to actually happen. he prob still go down as one of the worst prez in history though

Possibly, but the way he is remembered is directly proportional to what he had to deal with in his presidency. Presidents tend to get their lowest approval ratings in times of war or economic strife, both of which we are in now.

I highly doubt he will go down as the worst in history though.

[djsence]

Regan was hated by many durring his presidency. Now many think he was one of the best presidents of our time.

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by djsence
Regan was hated by many durring his presidency. Now many think he was one of the best presidents of our time.

It's super easy to blame the president for everything when in actuality, I believe he has very little sway at all in the big decisions that most people are mad about anyways.

[Effendi]

Originally posted by killbaine
I haven't seen a good argument with LIT on here in a while.

Dude I haven't had a good fight on here in years, since Mike Stevens and Jason (ZupanGod). (and of course Peter)

But then we all got pigeon-holed into the politics section and those guys left to fight on other boards where they didn't get stuffed in a corner.

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by Effendi
Dude I haven't had a good fight on here in years, since Mike Stevens and Jason (ZupanGod). (and of course Peter)

But then we all got pigeon-holed into the politics section and those guys left to fight on other boards where they didn't get stuffed in a corner.

I may not know anything about politics, but I'm always down for a good argument

[killbaine]

All I can say is that this thread has been full of lols, I personally don't care about what goes on in politics. Because I know that its all controlled by puppeteers that control the world banks and all the oil. Its kinda sad in a way, and I believe that its time for revolution. But I'm not gonna be the one to start the revolution. But it is time for the American people to stand up and say that we aren't going to take this shit anymore. But that will never happen, because big brother would nip that right in the bud, and they would call it treason.

[djed]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
It's super easy to blame the president for everything when in actuality, I believe he has very little sway at all in the big decisions that most people are mad about anyways.


very true.

[Roddimus]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
It's super easy to blame the president for everything when in actuality, I believe he has very little sway at all in the big decisions that most people are mad about anyways.
he actually has THE MOST SWAY of anyone in government for the decisions made by his administration. do you even know how the presidency works?

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by Roddimus
he actually has THE MOST SWAY of anyone in government for the decisions made by his administration. do you even know how the presidency works?

Yes I understand what we're told about it. But how much do we actually know? It's easy to say what the government is supposed to be like, but I doubt we know all of it. There is probably tons of shady shit done by people who will never be elected into office but still have a large sway.

Obviously no proof, but just seems that way to me.

[Plerr]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
I may not know anything about politics, but I'm always down for a good argument

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance


I highly doubt he will go down as the worst in history though.

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
Yes I understand what we're told about it. But how much do we actually know?

Obviously no proof, but just seems that way to me.


So...

Your contention is that you don't know anything about the topics you're discussing - but you think things are a certian way, despite alot of confusion and no proof?

Brilliant.

[Effendi]

Yea, maybe, could be, I guess, assuming, I think, probably.

FUCK!!!


How about an official JOB DESCRIPTION..

The Constitution assigns the president two roles: chief executive of the federal government and Commander in Chief of the armed forces. As Commander in Chief, the president has the authority to send troops into combat, and is the only one who can decide whether to use nuclear weapons.

As chief executive, he enforces laws, treaties, and court rulings; develops federal policies; prepares the national budget; and appoints federal officials. He also approves or vetoes acts of Congress and grants pardons.

What does the "decider" do (http://www2.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=4684)

[Lost-in-Trance]

Originally posted by Effendi
Yea, maybe, could be, I guess, assuming, I think, probably.

FUCK!!!


How about an official JOB DESCRIPTION..

The Constitution assigns the president two roles: chief executive of the federal government and Commander in Chief of the armed forces. As Commander in Chief, the president has the authority to send troops into combat, and is the only one who can decide whether to use nuclear weapons.

As chief executive, he enforces laws, treaties, and court rulings; develops federal policies; prepares the national budget; and appoints federal officials. He also approves or vetoes acts of Congress and grants pardons.

What does the "decider" do (http://www2.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=4684)

you could never prove to me that what we think about our government is the way it actuall goes down.

[xshank667x]

I finally got to see the video, I laughed.


It's a shame it didnt actually hit him though.

[A D I D A S]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
you could never prove to me that what we think about our government is the way it actuall goes down.

Your right. I'm sure bush does a lot more closed door, fucked up shit than we know about.

[Nukegrrrl]

http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/bloggraphics/bp6.jpg

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
Am I the only one in this country who thinks bush didn't do that bad of a job?

No, there are about 56 million other ignorant right wing christian retards or bloodthirsty gluttons that think like you.


Back on subject..... teh awesome!!! He is a hero!

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by djsence
Regan was hated by many durring his presidency. Now many think he was one of the best presidents of our time.

the old Republican mantra of Reagan. Reagan never had disapproval ratings like Bush... nor did he involve the US in a needless war. In fact, what made Reagan great was that he avoided war with Russia, and used diplomacy and strength instead.

Republicans that cheer Reagan have no idea how very different he was from Bush. For one, he cut spending in over 22 programs in his first 100 days, Bush never did any such thing. Bush is going down in history as one of the worst presidents ever. Period.


Back On topic...


LOL!!!

[Roddimus]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
Yes I understand what we're told about it. But how much do we actually know? It's easy to say what the government is supposed to be like, but I doubt we know all of it. There is probably tons of shady shit done by people who will never be elected into office but still have a large sway.

Obviously no proof, but just seems that way to me.
ah, so he abdicated both his executive authority and his legal responsibility to protect and follow the constitution to a shadowy elite who call the shots from behind closed doors? how is that not doing a bad job?

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
qft

Hate our country, but the president is just a figurehead, nothing more. Don't blame him for the economy, blame the stupid people who got credit cards or loans they couldnt afford and defaulted. Don't blame him for the war, blame the people who persuaded him to invade.

You guys act like he literally runs the country, and I can guarantee you that isn't true. IF he actually ran the country, there wouldn't be any way that public vote would decide the position. The only reason sthe president exists is to provide a figure as the established "leader" and to appease the public by making them think they have more sway on our country than they actually do.

Look, when I say Bush, I mean the "Bush Administration". People have hidden behind Bush this whole time. No, he isn't that bad of a guy, for a puppet, but those behind him are pure evil, with Dick Cheney as their dark and unquestioned overlord.

[BobbyRitalin]

anyway, that shit looked staged. seemed like an awful long time for the secret service to come out. why weren't they already out there to begin with?

[burnt]

Iraqis are stoked about the whole thing, but who can blame them, as a result of Bush's policies/actions/executive orders, over 150,000 Iraqi citizens have died. think about that. not insurgents. not terrorists. not Al Qaeda. but 150,000 accidental friendly fire collateral damage civilian deaths. (and that's the *conservative* estimate, an estimate made by the same people who were positive that Sarah Palin was a great impromptu speaker... other estimates have civilian deaths as high as 500,000).

so Maliki has a real problem on his hands trying to punish the reporter without further angering the populace. (doesn't help that the reporter was apparently tortured by Iraqi police).

pic related, its a little kid lolling about the whole incident and thinking of the reporter as a hero:

http://static.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2008/12/Iraqichildbushshoe_cf467.jpg.jpg

[budaho]

Originally posted by NeOmega
the old Republican mantra of Reagan. Reagan never had disapproval ratings like Bush... nor did he involve the US in a needless war. In fact, what made Reagan great was that he avoided war with Russia, and used diplomacy and strength instead.



dunno about that. I'd say he involved the US in many needless wars. What Reagan never did was try to occupy an unwilling country with US ground troops. Reagan would install brutal dictators (like saddam) to do that for us.

[Roddimus]

Originally posted by budaho
dunno about that. I'd say he involved the US in many needless wars. What Reagan never did was try to occupy an unwilling country with US ground troops. Reagan would install brutal dictators (like saddam) to do that for us.
not to mention use drug money to fund them.

[budaho]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
Yes I understand what we're told about it. But how much do we actually know? It's easy to say what the government is supposed to be like, but I doubt we know all of it. There is probably tons of shady shit done by people who will never be elected into office but still have a large sway.

Obviously no proof, but just seems that way to me.

look, there's no doubt that the president has lots of shady people behind him designing policy and pulling his strings. but he chooses to implement what they suggest. he could choose to implement different policies if he wanted. doing so would certainly have consequences, ranging from hurting his fundraising in his reelection, to his assasination, but regardless it is his and congress's decision to implement the policies that are implimented. its not relevent whether they were his ideas. He has the power to set policy, if he advocates that power to others then he is responsible for whatever policies those people implement. Neither the behinds the scene people, or the president are absolved from their responsibility for the policies they implement. While they do not control everything that goes on in the world while they are in office, they are responsible for the manner in which the government they head responds to it.

[mercuria]

i can't seem to find any info on it on English-language resurces, but a whole bunch of Russian news wires said the shoes were destroyed by American and Iraqi special forces during a trial to see if the soles contained any explosives.
They blasted the soles off with a water cannon, successfully destroying the shoes in the process.
They're now facing the dilemma of putting the shoes back together, because they are the main piece of evidence in the trial of Az-Zidi.

[djed]

Originally posted by NeOmega
the old Republican mantra of Reagan. Reagan never had disapproval ratings like Bush... nor did he involve the US in a needless war.


Back On topic...


LOL!!!

wtf ? iran contra ?

[djed]

Originally posted by BobbyRitalin
anyway, that shit looked staged. seemed like an awful long time for the secret service to come out. why weren't they already out there to begin with?

i think all this type of stuff is staged, i dont think for a second it was real.

[HexRei]

Originally posted by Lost-in-Trance
I never claimed to be up on politics. I tried to interject my opinion and was attacked from every angle for it.

I refuse to get my facts straight before posting though. I will do a little research, but will not guarantee that I won't use bad information. So continue to call me on it, and I'll continue to throw half backed up blanket statements about subjects that I know little to nothing about. It's far more entertaining for me that way.

lol, at least you can admit it! :D

[burnt]

LITs cool though because LIT represents a significantly important - and curious - demograph. smart people who are too lazy to do research before forming an opinion on something that requires a decision from them. lol.

seriously.

I love mainstream news, not because I think its the bastion of intellect, research, impartiality and professional deliverables... I love mainstream news, cuz theres a whole lot of people who are about to watch some *CRAP* - and think its *REAL* - and I probably gotta hang out with some of em tomorrow! so... thats why I appreciate opinions from guys like LIT.

opinions like "the president of the united states of america is just a figurehead puppet" lol. sorry to call you out like that LIT but that opinions wrong. but at least it shows you been paying attention. ;)

[HexRei]

Originally posted by burnt

opinions like "the president of the united states of america is just a figurehead puppet" lol.

I don't think that that is totally inaccurate, at least in some senses. GWB definitely was not a headstrong individualist within his party, he implemented a lot of plans that were dreamed up by PNAC for instance. Presidents are influenced to varying degrees by advisors, lobbyists, corporate allies, etc.

[KidKaBoom]

Originally posted by BobbyRitalin
anyway, that shit looked staged. seemed like an awful long time for the secret service to come out. why weren't they already out there to begin with?

A coworker and I got into a heated debate about this incident also being staged. The fact the guy got 1 shoe off then 1.5 secs later throws the other one.... WTF? If someone can jump infront of a 'speeding' bullet, then someone can stop a guy throwing a shoe.

[hamsturbation]

Originally posted by KidKaBoom
A coworker and I got into a heated debate about this incident also being staged. The fact the guy got 1 shoe off then 1.5 secs later throws the other one.... WTF? If someone can jump infront of a 'speeding' bullet, then someone can stop a guy throwing a shoe.
You can't jump in front of a speeding bullet. Most rifle bullets leave the barrel around 2-3000fps.
Did you ever think they searched and screened everyone so well, they were complacent? I mean cmon, who would expect a mildy harmful shoe attack?