Expect 2011 to suck for music [Archive]

Headphones Dude

11-09-2010, 07:40 AM

Because now all the hip hop producers are out to copy the "euro beats", and mix trance with r & b, or trance with hip hop, or dubstep with dirty south or whatever.....

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/08/eurohop.music/index.html

Oh the irony, they joined forces with a sound that started in Chicago, Detroit and New York, but there's no mention of that in the article...

akyouser.oner

11-09-2010, 07:43 AM

Cause like, right now... mainstream music is THE SHIT.

Why would they go and fuck up a good thing? :rolleyes:

goner

11-09-2010, 09:03 AM

Cause like, right now... mainstream music is THE SHIT.

Why would they go and fuck up a good thing? :rolleyes:no no no, this music IS SHIT! lol

thatguy

11-09-2010, 09:49 AM

Fawk yeaher. I cant wait to Hear Kanye with some trance beats behind it. That will be AWESOME. ;)

Headphones Dude

11-10-2010, 01:47 AM

Why the hell not? All he had to do to Daft Punk was slow them down to 80/90 BPM and have a hit.

SkyElectric

11-10-2010, 09:51 AM

It's as if pop music is searching for new ideas.
Like it needs to change its sound because it's getting stale...

akyouser.oner

11-10-2010, 09:52 AM

It's as if pop music is searching for new ideas.
Like it needs to change its sound because it's getting stale...

Bullshit. Pop music is not searching for new ideas. It's trying to ride out other popular ideas before they completely get used up. Then, on to the next.

DJ Nikon

11-10-2010, 10:41 AM

fuck yes
now i can roll to trance AND get skeeved out by pedo children hip grinding to Kanye

THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS!!!!11

Fish-n-Chips

11-10-2010, 11:07 AM

Lil john + Dub Step = Winner winner chicken dinner. (with hot sauce)

Andromeda.

11-10-2010, 12:53 PM

"hip hop producers"? sorry to burst cnn's bubble, but this is a fucking joke. there's no way in hell hip hop producers en masse are going to start making trance hip hop. lol @ the references to flo rida and black eyed peas, that's fucking hilarious XD because those people are...ahahahaha....so respected....ahahahahaha!.....in the hip hop community AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Roddimus

11-10-2010, 01:03 PM

rave is where hip hop goes to die. it was true in the 90s with acts like run dmc and grandmaster flash headlining massives, it's true now with lil john and usher riding the dubstep and euro trance bandwagon. none of it will end well.

dj plantlife

11-10-2010, 01:14 PM

Original text -
"My goal was to create a bridge between European DJ culture and American urban culture," he (David Guetta) said.

Fixed -
"My goal was to make a fuck ton of money by birthing a prom night dumpster baby out of Euro-trash club crap and American white-washed suburban frat party/abercrombie/ wannabe hip-hop culture," he (David "I have less taste than a sodium free saltine" Guetta) said.

goner

11-10-2010, 01:33 PM

Fish-n-Chips

11-10-2010, 01:36 PM

Where is Dre when you need him?

Andromeda.

11-10-2010, 02:17 PM

Fixed -
"My goal was to make a fuck ton of money by birthing a prom night dumpster baby out of Euro-trash club crap and American white-washed suburban frat party/abercrombie/ wannabe hip-hop culture," he (David "I have less taste than a sodium free saltine" Guetta) said.

haha, word :)

Where is Dre when you need him?

not producing anything like this ever because he doesn't suck and is an actual hip hop producer? :confused:

Lost-in-Trance

11-10-2010, 02:18 PM

so far 2010 has been amazing for music, at least the music that i like. i expect 2011 to far surpass this year

Jizosh

11-10-2010, 02:18 PM

So, producers who suck now will continue to suck next year? Glad I popped into this thread.

Regardless of how terrible most of this music is, I'm actually stoked on upbeat Top40. Pop music producers realized that to have a successful single, more often than not it needs to be able to be played in the club, and that's is resulting in more 120-130bpm dance hits, a la Lady Gaga, Black Eyed Peas, etc. That's why they are absolutely murdering the Top40 charts right now. And my argument for why this is good is pretty simple...it's allowing DJs to work in some legit edm tunes that they otherwise wouldn't be able to. That's how Day&Night blew up...it was all the DJs playing the Crookers remix in the club.

Harvard$tMafia

11-10-2010, 03:06 PM

This thread is not win. Dance music rocks!!

Kohei

11-10-2010, 04:14 PM

I remember somebody flipping Better Off Alone, shit was hilarious. I think there's a Zombie Nation one out there too.

Jizosh

11-10-2010, 04:25 PM

I remember somebody flipping Better Off Alone, shit was hilarious.

That was Wiz Khalifa. I actually enjoy that tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82kGsIzcWp4

My dude Bird Peterson does a lot of these Rap/Trance remixes, and they go hard as fuck in my opinion. It's not Top40 though...it's straight up Rap with classic Trance samples. Went over really well when we had him out to play for us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyumCGvCukI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoMzOlHoR5I

schwyn.dr

11-10-2010, 05:46 PM

about 3-4 years ago i was wishing for this to happen. back when i was gettin paid good money, this shit was bound to take off. they say we're years behind europe music wise, by the time we finally catch up i ain't too interested.
only thing keepin me satisfied back then were all those stanton white labels, pop the cork, feel good inc, beatnuts, big daddy kane, etc....
now the shit is far too glitzy, synthy, and blatant.
people say they can't dance to "techno". those ho's have no problem when the bep or florida come on. and lil john and pitbull have been doin this for a minute too. gaga, rihanna...finding enough new material to throw a 130'ish set together wasn't easy. could do it for hours now.
it all the sudden becomes less "techno-ie" and they embrace it.
better get used to it, cuz this shit won't change for a while....

Fender

11-10-2010, 06:22 PM

Isn't EDM infiltrating pop music an argument for pop music getting better?

DJ Rustik

11-10-2010, 06:24 PM

My opinion is that it is all about the money really. People like Will I Am & Lil' Jon are celebrity electro djs. They do this to make more money and I think promoters do it to pull more heads. Think of how many people know who lil jon is or will i am from black eyed peas. If you book them alot more people are likely to go because lets face it, as awesome as edm is it isnt really mainstream with a few exceptions and it is a niche market because it takes a music lover to really find the good tunes. I think it is hilarious that the genres are starting to cross. I heard that Eve the female rapstar used chase & status (DUBSTEP PRODUCERS) to produce her whole new album.

schwyn.dr

11-10-2010, 07:16 PM

My opinion is that it is all about the money really.

you get a yokozuna sized "c'mon son!!" for that one.
:cool:

Andromeda.

11-10-2010, 09:08 PM

super ghey edm + rappers you say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOFKU_hwj2o

Jizosh

11-10-2010, 09:24 PM

super ghey edm + rappers you say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOFKU_hwj2o

That's a quality tune, imo.

Andromeda.

11-10-2010, 09:42 PM

i never said i didn't like it!

my point was that it's soooooo circuit 90's gay house and stuff. i don't know the name of some of those fake instruments but they were prominent in a lot of 90's cheesy dance tunes :) which apparently....spilled over to sagat? i dunno

spazmunkee

11-11-2010, 03:57 AM

2011?

every time i rode in the car with shannon and jello is heard rnb trance, I FUCKING HATE RNB TRANCE!!

oh well, i dont listen to the radio or watch TV so it wont affect me.

Solar_Signal

11-11-2010, 04:40 AM

Like a G6...Like a G6...Like a G6... Like a G6... Like a G6... Like a G6

paxus

11-11-2010, 05:12 AM

This has already been happening for about, um, the last 4 years or so.
Even before that at the head of the 90s, hip-house was huge for a short
amount of time. Then there was a backlash because of saturation but
also because of kind of homophobia. The 90s are back, so we have a
renewal of those musical trends in some ways however mostly what
was stated before: it gets played in clubs. The ones I can remember most
ly are: Snoop did the dubstep thing that kinda didn't work out, Kid Cudi
straddled the fence well and in my favorite move Ludacris put an absolutely
huge (almost out of place) build in his hit "how low". I think that's been the
one I was most impressed by.

Overall, this kind of dance/hip-hop crossover has always existed in places
that have "clubby" regional musical genres like Miami, Chicago, Baltimore,
etc. I think it's all around good to have more steady kicks in it, as that's what
eventually tricks somebody to like dance music in some cases.

-&rew

TomSwift

11-11-2010, 09:30 AM

Anyone else also think this has something to do with rappers taking quite abit of E?

paxus

11-11-2010, 12:46 PM

You know, i'd think so with the "thizz" song and all, but look what doing
a bunch of ecstasy did to eminem, it had like the opposite effect. It wasn't
until he got clean that he started the whole "we're all together" love-y stuff.

-&rew

akyouser.oner

11-11-2010, 12:47 PM

DJ Nikon

11-11-2010, 01:37 PM

funny too, ive noticed with SOME artists over the years...
while they are on drugs, they seem to be better artists and producers VS when they get clean and sober

one example? Panacea (hardcore/breakcore/gabber/experimental/idm/noise)

i like his tunes now as im a fan in general, but his older stuff was much more raw and gritty
had more emotion and attitude to really fuck a club/rave up proper
now his tunes are more on tune, on key, clean(er) and theres nothing wrong with that.....

but look at Eminem, also good example
all the stuff he's released now? CRAP
Dont get me wrong, i also like Eminem but its because he likes to push buttons
and his rhymes are slick-worded or just straight up goofy

but what, Recovery, Relapse, and he has another one or two random smaller/larger album/singles out too
SO FAR i havent wanted to buy his cd (yea i do own store bought copies of music i appreciate)

im all for someone cleaning up their life to better themselves, but when it hurts their music (id rather not speak against it, but sometimes..) quite simply, they end up killing their career

schwyn.dr

11-11-2010, 03:36 PM

i better not hear about people hatin on sagat !!!
this was my favorite. first verse said what many of us were thinkin, i loved this from the first time i heard it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0d3UBynNuM

i'll smack the makeup off yo face you gq hip hop candy mc, talkin all that luvstuff...

schwyn.dr

11-11-2010, 03:54 PM

and i might add-if it weren't for this hip-house hybrid many years ago via jason nevins, it would have been a whole lot later in life that i would have given edm a fair shot.

Kohei

11-11-2010, 04:22 PM

Even before that at the head of the 90s, hip-house was huge for a short
amount of time. Then there was a backlash because of saturation but also because of kind of homophobia.

Those might've been factors, but strictly speaking, hip-house was thought to be a watered down version of the "real" stuff that was being made, in reference to hardcore hip-hop. Heads felt obligated to rebel against what they perceived as cultural outsiders and sell-outs hijacking their movement. They went on to define the next generation's musical preferences through a creative fertility that ensured their position as taste-makers and what expressions the community would consider as theirs.

Music journalism of the late '80 and early '90s makes a lot of references to the schisms of class and age hip-hoppers felt, even in Chicago, between 20-something clubbers and a largely teenage hip-hop fanbase.

Jizosh

11-11-2010, 04:31 PM

hip-house was thought to be a watered down version of the "real" stuff that was being made, in reference to hardcore hip-hop. Heads felt obligated to rebel against what they perceived as cultural outsiders and sell-outs hijacking their movement.

I dunno about all that. When hip-house started a lot of it was hood as fuck. It originated in the Southside of Chicago and I wouldn't dare tell any of those dudes their shit was watered down. Some of those producers were also making Ghetto (Booty) House shit on labels like Dance Mania. I don't doubt some of the more famous tracks (ones that crossed over to suburban dance clubs) were probably seen to be "gay" or "watered down" or whatever, your "It Takes Two"s and your "Gonna Make You Sweat"s and what not.

paxus

11-11-2010, 07:26 PM

Very good points in both posts, I didn't mean to speak so broadly in my previous
post, there were lots of different reasons hip-house died out. Jizosh pretty much
said what I was going to follow up with. I'm from Baltimore and Baltimore Club
was something that was only played late at night in Baltimore that's where I first heard
"doo doo brown" and also where I heard really raunchy music for the first time, heh.
The stuff that was most popular had the least amount of street cred per se, but even
the most mundane tracks had crazy calls when you heard it live.

Oh schwyn, check out the "oh snap" update of funk dat, it's sick!

-&rew

dik909

11-11-2010, 07:41 PM

(FTR, i haven't read any of the posts in the thread, other than the first...)

the "powers that be" know how powerful and subversive underground/independent music is, and they're seeking to destroy it at all costs.

i sincerely believe that the (supposed) discontinuation of all Technics turntables is no "accident," and that it's a well-calculated move designed to hinder/destroy underground music.

of course, i could be completely wrong...

dik909

11-11-2010, 11:04 PM

fxck you coward who negrepped me.

The Hef

11-11-2010, 11:16 PM

dj plantlife

11-12-2010, 08:10 AM

do you ever wonder if jazz cats say the same shit about house heads? "man... those motherfuckers appropriated our sounds, cut 'em up and shit 'em out..." for example, this is what i consider deep/underground music- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqIM-fLRdW4 - and it clearly has roots in jazz (mmmmmm... rhodes... drooooool), yet i couldn't tell you where his inspiration came from.

i guess the only difference is that in interviews, a techno/house/edm producer would say they owe their sound to *insert obscure musician here* whereas the pop-hop producers will say they invented the sound. i mean... guetta pretty much said he fused the two styles together like it was something new. when top 40 artists start name dropping the underground artists whose style they have jacked, then i'll have a tiny bit of respect for them.

Fish-n-Chips

11-12-2010, 11:09 AM

Guetta,,,, We were flipping the chanels on the TV one day and saw him on some World Music Awards. My girlfriend was like "WHAT IS THIS FVCKING CRAP?" Its nice to know we agree on something.

CHEESE ON TOAST BOLLOCKS.

Fish-n-Chips

11-12-2010, 11:20 AM

when top 40 artists start name dropping the underground artists whose style they have jacked, then i'll have a tiny bit of respect for them.

That would be pretty cool to see an interview with someone like Christine Aguilera saying something like... " For the last couple of months I have been in the studio with Asad Rizvi working on tracks for my new album." "His twins are the cutest boys ever!!"

Fish-n-Chips

11-12-2010, 11:32 AM

funny too, ive noticed with SOME artists over the years...
while they are on drugs, they seem to be better artists and producers VS when they get clean and sober

one example? Panacea (hardcore/breakcore/gabber/experimental/idm/noise)

i like his tunes now as im a fan in general, but his older stuff was much more raw and gritty
had more emotion and attitude to really fuck a club/rave up proper
now his tunes are more on tune, on key, clean(er) and theres nothing wrong with that.....

We brought him in the late 90's.. He scared the living shit out of the kids. They were all holding their ears.... You would of loved it!!!!! I don't think he was in to drugs. Pretty shure he was straight edge then. (Wacky Zany Germans) Picked him up at the airport in a VW he told us he was buying a Dodge Viper... Kinda ironic.

paxus

11-12-2010, 12:56 PM

Yeah, there's never admission from pop folks about who's producing for
them in a lot of instances. Same thing goes for hip-hop in some ways,
they like to keep their producers anonymous in the same way that deejays
will cover up their labels to keep from trainspotting.

Thinking about it today, the most annoying thing about the hip-hop/edm divide
is that in a lot of instances emcees would rap over dance records. However, in
this a direct relation to the drift from "the people making the party" with the "pillars"
to the pop structures that exist today. This has happened with every kind of
music though, including dance.

Please take all this with a grain of salt because i'm a huge nerd : )

-&rew

Kohei

11-12-2010, 03:00 PM

the hip-hop/edm divide

I think a lot of the problem is that Americans tried to force the two together, and it came out really awkward, whilst in England the two naturally developed out of necessity: the rare groove scene, jungle, early hardcore, trip-hop, and grime seem comfortable and organic in their appropriation of the US sound.

BobbyRitalin

11-12-2010, 03:09 PM

music from 2011 always sucks!

jah_wobblin'

11-12-2010, 04:34 PM

This makes since, cuz raves and the mainstream club scene are converging into a watered down, monolithic slurry of shit. The underground is probably really cool, I just can't find it outside of the internet

dj plantlife

11-12-2010, 05:37 PM

Andromeda.

11-12-2010, 05:42 PM

Yeah, I hella remember hearing Britney Spears 1.2.3. being mixed into a set at SMOKE this summer and saying "am i the only one hear that realizes what's happening right now?!?!"

whatever, buenos dias

there've been lots of brittney spears remixes played at parties and clubs over the years, lol. the first one i heard was about a year after 'hit me baby one more time' came out

Justincredible

11-12-2010, 05:43 PM

The music in 2011 will only suck if everyone allows it to suck.

As long as there are creative/talented artists out there willing to make awesome beats rather than mainstream bullshit, then we'll be fine. Just have to look a bit harder to find the good stuff. ;)

BobbyRitalin

11-12-2010, 06:41 PM

some of the music that i'd never heard came out in 2011

schwyn.dr

11-13-2010, 02:44 AM

That would be pretty cool to see an interview with someone like Christine Aguilera saying something like... "

does dj premier count? because she scored all kinds of points in my book when she asked dj premier to seek out them throwback sounds that was heard on that "back to basics" album. it was a give and take-where it sounded like premier gave it a serious effort to research what she was actually looking for, and what he presented to her.
that's where i realized a huge difference in the making of an actual producer/composer, compared to what we've known dr. dre to be.
you're hiring dre for a "specific" sound. nobody hires that guy on a whim hoping he's all of the sudden got 'range. he's always relied on his in house/homies for beats (daz, scott scorch) and "boosted" them.
he is no better than a p. diddy.

spazmunkee

11-13-2010, 03:37 AM

there've been lots of brittney spears remixes played at parties and clubs over the years, lol. the first one i heard was about a year after 'hit me baby one more time' came out

http://8bc.org/music/swampyboy/Toxique/

BAM.