Bill O'Reilly doesn't know how the tides work...

[IrisSilverMoon]

*dies*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BCipg71LbI&feature=player_embedded#!

it just blows my mind people this stupid get their own shows.

(tides stuff start at 1:50)

[LGOptimistT]

I like Bill O Reilly though. Don't find him that stupid either.

[thatguy]

Religion is stupid. It is like having an imaginary best friend. It is good to have morals, but not ones that make you hate or murder people who have other imaginary best friends.


:rolleyes:

[LGOptimistT]

Damn why can't you just let people believe what they wanna believe in?

[.-=PSYLON=-.]

Damn why can't you just let people believe what they wanna believe in?

Well, if I had to wager a guess I'd say it's something to do with the people that believe in god not letting us believe in what WE want to believe in. Ever here of an Atheist holy war?

Look...
I'm perfectly happy letting people go to church and wasting their lives/money. But that's not good enough for them. They wake me up on the weekends by knocking on my door. They protest funerals of gay people. They use their vast (non-taxed) resources to try and pass legislation about things that they know NOTHING about. They bomb hospitals and murder doctors. They yell obscenities at me in the street from behind their giant wooden crosses. Extremists, perhaps. But again, do you ever here the word "radical" before the word "Atheist"?

Bottom line:
Science gets all the smart people. God gets all the retards. Why is that? Allow me to illustrate....

http://alanearly.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/god.jpg

[StarLight]

Well, if I had to wager a guess I'd say it's something to do with the people that believe in god not letting us believe in what WE want to believe in. Ever here of an Atheist holy war?

Look...
I'm perfectly happy letting people go to church and wasting their lives/money. But that's not good enough for them. They wake me up on the weekends by knocking on my door. They protest funerals of gay people. They use their vast (non-taxed) resources to try and pass legislation about things that they know NOTHING about. They bomb hospitals and murder doctors. They yell obscenities at me in the street from behind their giant wooden crosses. Extremists, perhaps. But again, do you ever here the word "radical" before the word "Atheist"?

Bottom line:
Science gets all the smart people. God gets all the retards. Why is that? Allow me to illustrate....

http://alanearly.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/god.jpg


Couldn't have put it better myself.

I heard a stat on the news that for the first time EVER in the United Kingdom more than 50% of their population is Atheist.

[B_tech]

Look...
I'm perfectly happy letting people go to church and wasting their lives/money. But that's not good enough for them. They wake me up on the weekends by knocking on my door. They protest funerals of gay people. They use their vast (non-taxed) resources to try and pass legislation about things that they know NOTHING about. They bomb hospitals and murder doctors. They yell obscenities at me in the street from behind their giant wooden crosses. Extremists, perhaps. But again, do you ever here the word "radical" before the word "Atheist"?

So guilt by association? Not all people a part of organized religion do those things, so it's unfair to say they do. What about all the people that commit murder and acts without using their religious base as the cause?
Statistically, only 19% of crime is based on religious belief, so to condemn all people of faith, when 81% of crime in the US is committed by people for NON-religious reasons, is unfair and illogical. (That's an FBI, UCR stat for 2009, BTW)

Your beef is more with ignorance, than with the faith they adhere to, but regardless of what religion people follow, there are ignorant people everywhere... yes, that includes atheists. Not to say I'm not right there with ya... I'm all good with people believing what they do, but when one questions my faith or my lifestyle, then we have problems. As long as there is ignorance, there will be the issues you described; religion or no, the answer is to attempt to make us a smarter species.

... and for the record, I've read some rantings from atheist writers and they can be just as fanatical about their disdain for religion, as some of the religious lot can be toward atheists and other faiths.

[Roddimus]

I like Bill O Reilly though. Don't find him that stupid either.
how am i not surprised?

[James Capricorn]

Great find, Karen!

[Cethe]

Bill O'Reilly is an idiot that can't remember 5th grade science class. But beyond that, this has got to be one of the most disrespectful interviews i've ever seen.


I'm all good with people believing what they do, but when one questions my faith or my lifestyle, then we have problems. As long as there is ignorance, there will be the issues you described; religion or no, the answer is to attempt to make us a smarter species.


but see the questioning of the faith & facts surrounding it are part of what makes us a smarter species.
Oragnized religion is designed from the core to eliminate critical thinking to create an ignorant, docile populous.

I think it's great to be spiritual, i think it's great to believe in an higher power. But to give up thoughtful critical thinking does not create a smarter species.

.............

FWIW: I'm not exactly atheist, but i'm certainly not into organized religion.

[B_tech]

but see the questioning of the faith & facts surrounding it are part of what makes us a smarter species.
Oragnized religion is designed from the core to eliminate critical thinking to create an ignorant, docile populous.

I think it's great to be spiritual, i think it's great to believe in an higher power. But to give up thoughtful critical thinking does not create a smarter species.


Totally agree, except I don't think its fair to say all religion are designed that way....certainly Christianity ans Islam are, but Buddhism and Judaism have given us some of the greatest philosophers ever. Every rabbi I've met has told me that Jews question everything in the text, but adhere to the rituals...we're told to determine what it means to us. Unless all those rabbis are anomolies, I'd say its a fairly thought provoking religion.

[Cethe]

well every religious leader type person i've ever met personally is a good person, that does not necessarily blindly follow their faith.

i just don't think higher ups, (well above the local level), actually care that much about the spirituality of the religion, jsut the money & power they can garner while in the position they are in.

[LGOptimistT]

Well, if I had to wager a guess I'd say it's something to do with the people that believe in god not letting us believe in what WE want to believe in. Ever here of an Atheist holy war?

Look...
I'm perfectly happy letting people go to church and wasting their lives/money. But that's not good enough for them. They wake me up on the weekends by knocking on my door. They protest funerals of gay people. They use their vast (non-taxed) resources to try and pass legislation about things that they know NOTHING about. They bomb hospitals and murder doctors. They yell obscenities at me in the street from behind their giant wooden crosses. Extremists, perhaps. But again, do you ever here the word "radical" before the word "Atheist"?

Bottom line:
Science gets all the smart people. God gets all the retards. Why is that? Allow me to illustrate....

http://alanearly.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/god.jpg
Yeah I know, but why do you have to do it the childish way, going around and putting a bad name on people who follow a religion? You couldn't have just said it in a more respectful manner instead of trying to offend someone?

Btw I don't really follow any religion, I go to church but not often, if I do I'll go with my mom. She goes to a Zionist church.
how am i not surprised?

I don't know? Because I don't really like him, so now you must really be surprised. Looks like I put some excitement in your life.

[Cethe]

Damn why can't you just let people believe what they wanna believe in?

then "they" need to let us believe what we want. and generally leave the world alone about it.

The world is too small, population too large to get all worked up about who/what your neigbor prays to.
To become violent over spiritual beliefs is pretty much disengenious to the basic idea. IE: THE GOLDEN RULE.

cuz it seems to me anyone waging war in the name of their religion (including "the bushes") wants thta violence brought upon them.

one of my other basic philosophies centers around "violence will only breed more violence. Hate will only bring more hate"

[B_tech]

well every religious leader type person i've ever met personally is a good person, that does not necessarily blindly follow their faith.

i just don't think higher ups, (well above the local level), actually care that much about the spirituality of the religion, jsut the money & power they can garner while in the position they are in.

Agreed. I've always felt that ALL religions mean well and are just fine until man implements them. That's. When things seem to go to shit.

[Roddimus]

I don't know? Because I don't really like him, so now you must really be surprised.
i figured it was close to a 50/50 shot that you either really liked o'reilly or were just trolling again. it's just given the level of intelligence you've displayed on this board, it seemed slightly more likely that you were an actual fan.

[Cethe]

I don't hate jesus or god, there's even a few great ideas in the bible.

but some of the shit carried out in their name though...

[dj plantlife]

Totally agree, except I don't think its fair to say all religion are designed that way....certainly Christianity ans Islam are, but Buddhism and Judaism have given us some of the greatest philosophers ever. Every rabbi I've met has told me that Jews question everything in the text, but adhere to the rituals...we're told to determine what it means to us. Unless all those rabbis are anomolies, I'd say its a fairly thought provoking religion.

Uh... clearly you don't know enough about Christianity and Islam... Go talk to a Jesuit or a Sufi.


That being said, allowing people to believe in one religion is allowing people to believe in ANY religion and the doctrine therein, be it hatred, ignorance, or whatever. You can't say "religion is ok... well except for the ones that harm people." It HAS to be all or nothing, and this is the crux of the issue...

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. - Stephen Roberts

[djsteel]

I think that actively seeking out reasons to hate a specific subset of people is idiotic...It does not make a person more knowledgeable on a subject or a better person. I think that should be a reminder throughout this thread.

This video is funny because they are both just as foolish and dead set in their own ways. Neither of them wants to hear each other out. Let's not repeat this video locally. It's hard enough to watch on youtube. Kill the "They" vs "Us" bullcrap.

Agreed. I've always felt that ALL religions mean well and are just fine until man implements them. That's. When things seem to go to shit.

THANK YOU. Religion is not the enemy. Foolish followers are. And many Atheists Zealots are in the same boat.

[IrisSilverMoon]

for the record I started this thread to point out the fact that Bill O'Reilly doesn't know how the tides work and not to necessarily start a discussion on religion.

[kizat]

for the record I started this thread to point out the fact that Bill O'Reilly doesn't know how the tides work and not to necessarily start a discussion on religion.

My husband was telling me about this last night.. and all I could do was sit there and stare at him.

Then I accused him of taking it out of context... well.. because I'm married to him, and I know him all too well... sometimes he does that.

I was surprised when it wasn't taken out of context.

WTF... who doesn't know how tides work?!

[dj plantlife]

WTF... who doesn't know how tides work?!

bill o'reilly

[kizat]

bill o'reilly

and a small group of kids under the age of 10

[djsteel]

for the record I started this thread to point out the fact that Bill O'Reilly doesn't know how the tides work and not to necessarily start a discussion on religion.

I thought it was funny that the dude didn't stop at that and straight call him out...his response looked as if he couldn't explain it either and shot to the "Mount Olympus" bit.

This entire interview blows my mind. It scares me that either of these people can influence others decisions.

[dj plantlife]

as an atheist, i always wonder if my fellow non-believers who are in "atheist organizations" see the irony...

[gingerballs]

for the record I started this thread to point out the fact that Bill O'Reilly doesn't know how the tides work and not to necessarily start a discussion on religion.



You fucking heretic!

[.-=PSYLON=-.]

So guilt by association? Not all people a part of organized religion do those things, so it's unfair to say they do. What about all the people that commit murder and acts without using their religious base as the cause?
Statistically, only 19% of crime is based on religious belief, so to condemn all people of faith, when 81% of crime in the US is committed by people for NON-religious reasons, is unfair and illogical. (That's an FBI, UCR stat for 2009, BTW)

Your beef is more with ignorance, than with the faith they adhere to, but regardless of what religion people follow, there are ignorant people everywhere... yes, that includes atheists. Not to say I'm not right there with ya... I'm all good with people believing what they do, but when one questions my faith or my lifestyle, then we have problems. As long as there is ignorance, there will be the issues you described; religion or no, the answer is to attempt to make us a smarter species.

... and for the record, I've read some rantings from atheist writers and they can be just as fanatical about their disdain for religion, as some of the religious lot can be toward atheists and other faiths.

Yes. Guilt by association.

If I were a part of an association that were as responsible for as many wars, racism, sexism, and homophobia that the Catholic church was....say it was just a "gentlemans club", then you would think I was this huge piece of shit for being a member. I see no reason to not lump all church goers into the same category. I'm not saying that everyone religious does things, but that's a slippery slope towards apologist thinking. (Sorry about 9/11. I'll talk to Achmed. Once you get to know him, he's a really nice guy.*weak smile*)

If you're religious, that's cool...but clean your fuckin laundry, because that shit is starting to smell. By your own statistic, 19% of the crime we have would go away if we did.

And see your own statement? What kind of fight starting shit is this? When people question your beliefs we have problems? When people question my beliefs, you know what I do?

I don't actually give a fuck. But man, question a Christians belief, and its WAR ON MY RELIGION!

Here's another one for ya:

http://cdn.nearlyfreespeech.net/jandmstatic/strips/2010-12-21.png

No one ever talks about the "war on atheism", even though there is one. There are religious organizations on this earth that will not rest until every last member of this planet is a part of their organization. To what end? But suggest that you maybe put up a menorah in the airport alongside the tree and it's WAR ON CHRISTMAS. (Hear that? Somewhere, there's a pagan sighing.)

Well, I think we've sufficiently de-railed this thread. :D

but I'll leave you with this....

Why is it that religious experiences are geographic, if god is infinite? Why is it that people who claim to have found jesus, (almost) never occur naturally in say, China...there, they find the Buddha? Or Why do people in the South never claim that they've seen the light and found Allah?

[Kosmicdog]

I like Bill O Reilly though. Don't find him that stupid either.

just because you said that I find you stupid.

[Kosmicdog]

Ever here of an Atheist holy war?

yes

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:fqMbepeclVtmHM:http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/1013/1013press_cartman_and_otters.jpg&t=1

[.-=PSYLON=-.]

yes

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:fqMbepeclVtmHM:http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/1013/1013press_cartman_and_otters.jpg&t=1

Lol. All right, OUTSIDE of the realm of cardboard 4th graders, and sentient space otters. ;)

(SO my favorite episodes, BTW).

"It should be called Allied Atheist Alliance! It's 3 A's! It's the most logical!"
:D

[Kosmicdog]

SCIENCE DAMMIT!

and I just watched that clip. I actually have a habit of watching bill oreilly just because I love getting frustrated and yelling at my TV. Same reason Im a Blazers fan. That asshole just interrupts everyone he talks to, shouts over them, and then looks all smugly at the camera. asshole.

[Senator Adam]

The tides thing was hilarious haha.

But honestly, I think both dudes are dicks. They both think their beliefs are "facts". They're both arguing over the unknown. Believe whatever you want to believe, but don't state it as a fact. Because it's not. It's a belief.

[Senator Adam]

SCIENCE DAMMIT!

and I just watched that clip. I actually have a habit of watching bill oreilly just because I love getting frustrated and yelling at my TV. Same reason Im a Blazers fan. That asshole just interrupts everyone he talks to, shouts over them, and then looks all smugly at the camera. asshole.

I agree, but it's his show so he can do whatever he wants. More people watch the show because of how he acts anyways, and ratings is all that matters. And the people that go on know what they're getting into...

[djsteel]

Yes. Guilt by association.

If I were a part of an association that were as responsible for as many wars, racism, sexism, and homophobia that the Catholic church was....say it was just a "gentlemans club", then you would think I was this huge piece of shit for being a member.

??...You are a white American standing on soil that was never given to you paying a military to force people off of their own soil. Are you sure you want to take death tolls?

I see no reason to not lump all church goers into the same category. I'm not saying that everyone religious does things,
huh??? What happened to your "Guilt by association?? That is exactly what your argument is. Here...I'll show you...I'm perfectly happy letting people go to church and wasting their lives/money. But that's not good enough for them. They wake me up on the weekends by knocking on my door. They protest funerals of gay people. They use their vast (non-taxed) resources to try and pass legislation about things that they know NOTHING about. They bomb hospitals and murder doctors. They yell obscenities at me in the street from behind their giant wooden crosses. Extremists, perhaps. But again, do you ever here the word "radical" before the word "Atheist"?
If I were a part of an association that were as responsible for as many wars, racism, sexism, and homophobia that the Catholic church was....say it was just a "gentlemans club", then you would think I was this huge piece of shit for being a member.
....Oh...thats right...you look at people on an idividual basis...not just based off of what people are are part of.

If you're religious, that's cool...but clean your fuckin laundry, because that shit is starting to smell. By your own statistic, 19% of the crime we have would go away if we did.
?? let me know when you figure out how to get the other 81% to go away and we can talk.


And see your own statement? What kind of fight starting shit is this? When people question your beliefs we have problems? When people question my beliefs, you know what I do?

...we're not questioning your beliefs. We are questioning your blatent hatred and arrogance towards a subset of people instead of taking individual accounts.

I don't actually give a fuck.
There you go again Lying.


But man, question a Christians belief, and its WAR ON MY RELIGION!

...?...Are you Christian?

No one ever talks about the "war on atheism", even though there is one. There are religious organizations on this earth that will not rest until every last member of this planet is a part of their organization. To what end? But suggest that you maybe put up a menorah in the airport alongside the tree and it's WAR ON CHRISTMAS. (Hear that? Somewhere, there's a pagan sighing.)


Oh please...If you REALLY believe this, you are a victim of your own self pity. This board is a perfect example that atheists are much less victim to hatred and "WAR" than christians.


Why is it that religious experiences are geographic, if god is infinite? Why is it that people who claim to have found jesus, (almost) never occur naturally in say, China...there, they find the Buddha? Or Why do people in the South never claim that they've seen the light and found Allah?

That makes no sense. That coupled with your first post of "Atheists get smart people, God gets stupid' or whatever is Equally as nonsensical as Bill O'Reilly's argument.

...Let me explain how the tide works to you. There are several religions and churches in China. Why do you not hear about them? Because there is no freedom of religion over there. Churches are outlawed. Relgion needs to stay underground in order to avoid the chinese government. As far as Allah in the south....??? Where is the newest Mosque being built...oh thats right...blocks from 9/11 deadzone...Which I didn't see you up in arms about Mr "Keep your religion out of my life!"

[Kosmicdog]

^^
win

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[B_tech]

Yes. Guilt by association.

So by your logic, you're guilty for all the war crimes our government has done and will ever do; as a citizen of the USA, you're as guilty as anyone that commits a crime. So congrats, you're as much of a bastard as Timothy McVeigh. Now, if you want to concede that statement is asinine, we can move on... otherwise, I suppose it would be fair for someone to say 'all atheists are fuckheads' if they've ever met even ONE that was a fuckhead... guilt by association.

No one ever talks about the "war on atheism", even though there is one. There are religious organizations on this earth that will not rest until every last member of this planet is a part of their organization. To what end? But suggest that you maybe put up a menorah in the airport alongside the tree and it's WAR ON CHRISTMAS. (Hear that? Somewhere, there's a pagan sighing.)
Because 'war on christmas' and 'war on religion' are just headlines and talking points... the fact that you keep bringing them up only shows me that you run with the popular shit posted in the news and don't really have any true understanding of religion on its social impact to make a knowledgeable assertion.
You keep bringing up how atheists are seemingly superior because they're free from the horrid pasts that religion has. K, I'll give you that, but believe me when I say I've met as many, if not more pompous, self-righteous atheists, than I have Christians (they're really the worst of the religious lot to me); being free from responsibility of past heinousness doesn't elevate someone to a magnanimous status if they're still a raging dickhead.

[LGOptimistT]

i figured it was close to a 50/50 shot that you either really liked o'reilly or were just trolling again. it's just given the level of intelligence you've displayed on this board, it seemed slightly more likely that you were an actual fan.

If you say so.

[.-=PSYLON=-.]

Ugh. Well, this is going to turn into a long discussion. But I'll try and sum up.

I didn't "voluntarily" join the American race. I am BORN American, but It's not like I'm choosing to throw my lot in with them by pledging my allegiance every Sunday. I pay taxes, sure. Many of those taxes go for things that I don't agree with. War in the middle east, for example. But am I buying "war bonds"? oh HELL no. I'll support as it's my duty as a citizen, but I'm sure as hell not signing up to support these causes voluntarily. For what it's worth, I think America did a lot of fucked up things too, but that's not what we were talking about, now is it?

As for the other 81% well, that's a less simple problem. But again, since I can let you know and then we'll talk....we weren't really talking before you jumped in, were we?

Seriously though....are you calling a 19% drop in crime trivial? To say that the 19% is insignificant, as it's overshadowed by the larger portion is passing the buck. You're STILL responsible for your portion. The other portion of crime could come from anywhere....sociological inequity, gang-related nonsense, just plain road-rage...there's a lot of things that...here and there...add up to 81%. For what it's worth:

My beef isn't with Faith, OR with Ignorance. It's that Faith + Ignorance = Holy War. Simple enough?

But almost a full 1/5th of ALL crime in the U.S. comes from ONE SOURCE. Oh but, hey....I should get to work cleaning up the .05% here and there...one at a time...from things like "shoplifting" to "pornography" before you look in the mirror. Please dude. If you don't like what a store is selling, or you find them to be doing sheisty shit with your money, you stop shopping there. (See: Target). So why prop up the Church? Maybe your church is good. Maybe you're good too? I don't know. But some of the collection plate is going to support things like "hush money for child molesters". Or things like "Prop 8". I know, I know....not YOUR church. But many of them. Just sayin. Even if I went to the most LIBERAL church in the world. (Which, for the record, I did). I'd still stop going until some serious changes were made in how people are treated as a whole.

As for my hatred, yes. I'll admit. That's my own. Frankly, I think the religious right can go fuck itself for being neither.

And, no. Really. I don't actually give a fuck. You don't know shit about me. I'm actually only here because I'm REALLY bored. But hey, by all means. You know so much about me.

Like your religious beliefs....nothing I say will ever change your mind, so why bother? This discussion is like a broken pencil. Pointless.

As for the Mosque...it's a community center....being built in one of the MOST NORTHERN STATES in the U.S. (Also, one of the most liberal) If you're trying to show me how smart you are by derailing my point, you are doing a terrible job. I said the South, yo. Dirty South. Act like you know.

For the record, I think Radical Islam is just as big a threat to free thinking as Fundamentalist western religion. Take a look at what's happening in Denmark and the U.K. some time. Scary shit. Again, not really talking about that either.

Maybe you missed that part about slippery slope. I guess you chose to read into my post only what you wanted. Literal truth here, symbolism there. Hey, isn't that how you read a bible? ;)

*ba-dum-crash*

HEYOOOOOOOO! That's my time. You've all been great. I'm gonna go wash the stink of this thread off my hands. Sorry for thread shitting. Great Post Karen! Fuck Bill O'Reilly!

aaaaaand good night!

[burnt]

My husband was telling me about this last night.. and all I could do was sit there and stare at him.

Then I accused him of taking it out of context... well.. because I'm married to him, and I know him all too well... sometimes he does that.

I was surprised when it wasn't taken out of context.

WTF... who doesn't know how tides work?!

Bill O'Reilly. aka, the papa bear. that's who.
:D

[Hollywood]

you know if people just stfu about blaming everything on religion and blammed things on peoples actions and greed of people...then everyone could jsut get along couldn't they! i mean seriously...

anything that helps people be better in life and do good things is a good thing right....


i mean obviously it will never work...just like a perfect goverment or utopian society because you can't remove greed out of people....
example of greed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah_Cheragh
^this is just a mausoleum

a place where 2 people are burried....yet it's made with crystal, gold, silver, and damn near every precious metal....it's fucking HUGE! and well, beatufiul...

you can't remove greed from the world...

you can't remove ignorance...

you can't remove hate...

and you can't FIX STUPID!!

for alot of athiest that i do know....i have to hear over and over again....HOW stupid religions are....how horrible it is to believe in a higher power because you're stupid if you do so...
you know what...

if that person does good things in their life because of it....how is it stupid if they need that to get better? how about insted of bitching about what they believe in...do something to make yourself better....

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5218868458_9dc8e718f3.jpg
^shit like this pisses me off....

how is that right or fare...? that is a direct attack to someones belief system....how is that cool in anyway?

btw that was put up right near a church before christmas....

that right there makes you as bad as someone who comes to your house and knocks on your door and asks you if they can talk to you for a second about their beliefs.


/rant and sorry i'm in a hurry...
^ this drives me nuts..

some one comes to your house and you get upset that they care so much about what they believe in they want to help others feel good, do good, and care about eachother? how is the wrong...it's a simple,"not thanks" if you don't want to talk to them....or is it that We americans are soooooooo damn lazy that we get upset if someone bothers us at home..? Yet you sit infront of the boob tube and get told how to dress, what to eat, what to go buy buy buy buy....You are indoctrinated every day wether you realize it or not...yet these ones are soooooooooooooo horrible because you have to get off your fat ass to answer the door...

*****
as far as bill goes...what a dumb ass..

yet there is a person i know very well...how is a super smart person...the other day...We blew his mind because he never realized that Pickles are Cuecumbers....

Even smart people are stupid sometimes!

[Kosmicdog]

Funny how the crime rate dropped significantly about 20 years after they legalized abortion.

[B_tech]

Funny how the crime rate dropped significantly about 20 years after they legalized abortion.
That's circumstantial... there were other social shift and improvements since the late 70s and gun policy changes that contributed to the drop in crime.


I didn't "voluntarily" join the American race. I am BORN American, but It's not like I'm choosing to throw my lot in with them by pledging my allegiance every Sunday. I pay taxes, sure. Many of those taxes go for things that I don't agree with. War in the middle east, for example. But am I buying "war bonds"? oh HELL no. I'll support as it's my duty as a citizen, but I'm sure as hell not signing up to support these causes voluntarily. For what it's worth, I think America did a lot of fucked up things too, but that's not what we were talking about, now is it?
No, see, that's EXACTLY what we're talking about here. You're asserting that people are guilty by association; you didn't state it had to be a chosen association, but regardless, many kids grow up in a religious home and are essentially brainwashed into continuing that faith. I've seen it first hand here in Jesus' summer home. If you want to assert people are guilty because they belong to something, then distant relatives of slave owners are responsible for the actions of their predecessors, YOU are guilty for the actions of your fellow American, etc. Guess what? That ideology is antithetical to American law and social norms... so you can think that all you like, but it's illogical and incongruent with society.


Seriously though....are you calling a 19% drop in crime trivial? To say that the 19% is insignificant, as it's overshadowed by the larger portion is passing the buck.
Of course not, but that's not how crime works. If you get rid of religion tomorrow, there won't magically be a 19% drop in crime.

You're STILL responsible for your portion. The other portion of crime could come from anywhere....sociological inequity, gang-related nonsense, just plain road-rage...there's a lot of things that...here and there...add up to 81%.
Wait... so are people guilty by association or are they responsible for what they do. Because if John Smith is responsible for something 100 years ago, I'm not also responsible by some legal transitive property. You're contradicting yourself.


My beef isn't with Faith, OR with Ignorance. It's that Faith + Ignorance = Holy War. Simple enough?
Well, that's not what you've been saying so far. So maybe stick to one train of thought or argument. BTW, faith + CONTROL = holy war.

So why prop up the Church? Maybe your church is good. Maybe you're good too? I don't know. But some of the collection plate is going to support things like "hush money for child molesters". Or things like "Prop 8". I know, I know....not YOUR church. But many of them. Just sayin. Even if I went to the most LIBERAL church in the world. (Which, for the record, I did). I'd still stop going until some serious changes were made in how people are treated as a whole.
Right, because you think objectively as an outsider. But if you grew up in that religion and your community, family and friends forced the ideologies on you, it becomes very difficult to think about issues objectively. Toss in the fact that many allow their faith to blind them and it's a bliss of ignorance.

Like your religious beliefs....nothing I say will ever change your mind, so why bother? This discussion is like a broken pencil. Pointless.

Because you're not talking about beliefs... you're condemning people and belittling their faith. What's the point of bringing that to the conversation if it serves no point, as you succinctly stated?

[BobbyRitalin]

i can't wait till my god comes down and zaps everyone. well, except for the cool athiests that i've met over the years. but he'll zap the rest. then we will all be able to hang out and play beach volleyball in paradise. shit'll be epic.

[SkyElectric]

I like that he admits "I'm not the smartest guy in the world".
Duh

[B_tech]

I like to think of Jesus with, like, big eagle's wings, singing lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with, like, an angel band, and I'm in the front row, and I'm hammered drunk.
Shake & Bake.

[BobbyRitalin]

jesus is going to ride down from space on a golden surf board and everyone is fucked. you'll see.

[SkyElectric]

Praise Surfer Jesus

[BobbyRitalin]

Praise Surfer Jesus

that's right.


he'll be doing "hang loose" with his left hand while blasting out solid beams of lazers out of his right hand at all the athiests and other people that don't fit the bill. he'll be saying things like "lulz" and stuff like that.

[burnt]

i can't wait till my god comes down and zaps everyone. well, except for the cool athiests that i've met over the years. but he'll zap the rest. then we will all be able to hang out and play beach volleyball in paradise. shit'll be epic.

first, moar ded burdz

[BobbyRitalin]

i'm going to get a shirt that says, "rapture kicks ass!"

[djsteel]

Bill O'Reilly hopes that Rapture involves him holding a flamethrower.

[fuerve]

Hoooooooooo boy.

[fuerve]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5218868458_9dc8e718f3.jpg
^shit like this pisses me off....

ORLY? http://tinyurl.com/2ds5sxj

[HexRei]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5218868458_9dc8e718f3.jpg
^shit like this pisses me off....

how is that right or fare...? that is a direct attack to someones belief system....how is that cool in anyway?

So its ok for religions to put up billboards and launch campaigns against atheism and atheists, but atheists can't express their own opinions publicly in the same manner?

It's almost like everyone's so used to religions being aggressively anti-atheist and pro-theist that it's considered normal and ok, but atheists are somehow massive assholes for expressing their point of view.

Most theists are somewhere between ignorant and willfully delusional. At least, the ones that think their religion is right and the others are wrong (and that is most of them). The same people that would refer to "greek myths" or "mayan mythology" get up in arms when its their religion being called a myth, despite the lack of any real notable distinction except for how many practitioners there are at the moment.

[Kosmicdog]

Im an atheist. I dont care enough to push my viewpoint. Why bother?

HEY EVERYBODY THAT DOESNT BELIEVE IN JESUS COME HANG OUT WITH ME!

[B_tech]

So its ok for religions to put up billboards and launch campaigns against atheism and atheists, but atheists can't express their own opinions publicly in the same manner?

Seriously...there are tons of Christian billboards here... one is HUUUUGE black with white lettering and says "THINK GOD". And don't get me started on the "I'm not a choice" billboards all along I10 through Alabama and Florida, with clear statement of the church that paid for it. Then there's the old billboard on I5 down near Longview that has various Christian scripture. They're allowed by society, but a billboard that states facts is frowned upon?

Its a shame we as a nation can't shake our Puritanical roots.

[Hollywood]

fine...

i was just giving an example damn yo's!

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/10/l_479dda76e43c42d2913ffe0a22ced186.jpg

shit like this pisses me off as well

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UVRSmsDkeJI/TRyR2Sg7MbI/AAAAAAAABk4/A_5cHvKrArU/s400/NOM+Billboard.PNG

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/21/l_4c27c52e1292419a8905dc1863d93e5b.jpg

[Hollywood]

lol this one is kind of awesome!

http://pixftw.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/funny-picture-1096521666.jpg


my point with the first one i posted was it was an attack directly focused at a church...it was put up right before christmas and faced the church so you had to see it when you walked out....to me...I'm not a relgious person at all...not really a big oh noez i bleieve in god person etiher...but i do believe you shoudl atleast be good to each other and not do fucked up shit like that...

[DragonKatt]

I am a Libertarian Christian who firmly believes in loving thy neighbor. Nothing irritates me more than seeing others who call themselves Christians put others down for being different. You should be an example to others, not try to force your beliefs on others.

People like WBC are more of a cult, and they make me sick. However, whenever I think of extremists (of any side), I like to look at the signs that protested against the protesters at this last year's Comicon!

[BobbyRitalin]

Im an atheist. I dont care enough to push my viewpoint. Why bother?

HEY EVERYBODY THAT DOESNT BELIEVE IN JESUS COME HANG OUT WITH ME!

can people that do believe in jesus come hang out with you too?

[Hollywood]

awesome...tonights colbert totally rips on bill about this.

[Kosmicdog]

can people that do believe in jesus come hang out with you too?

yeah totally! Its not like I hate Jesus or anything.

[BobbyRitalin]

wicked, cuz i won't talk about him unless you ask

[DragonKatt]

awesome...tonights colbert totally rips on bill about this.

For the win. =)

[HexRei]

Im an atheist. I dont care enough to push my viewpoint. Why bother?

HEY EVERYBODY THAT DOESNT BELIEVE IN JESUS COME HANG OUT WITH ME!

Religions lobbyand campaign to desecularize society, laws, government, etc on a consistent basis. I think that most atheist groups are based around combating this type of thing, although I suppose there are social groups as well. But we are (pretty much) in a representative democracy and if a segment doesn't have a voice, it won't be heard, so it's not necessarily about pushing any viewpoints on anyone, but rather providing an alternate viewpoint to prevent another viewpoint from being pushed upon everyone uncontested.

[B_tech]

my point with the first one i posted was it was an attack directly focused at a church...
What's your point? Down in the south, there are billboards FROM churches, directly aimed at non-believers. If one is allowed, so too is the other... be thankful you're not in teH bible belt and you don't have to see the roads slathered with Christian garbage and 'messages'. Billboards advertising anything other than a gas station ahead are bad enough... religious advertising is low-brow and caters to the lowest common denominator to me.

[Senator Adam]

Aliens... man.

[dj plantlife]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UVRSmsDkeJI/TRyR2Sg7MbI/AAAAAAAABk4/A_5cHvKrArU/s400/NOM+Billboard.PNG


that dude is so gay... amirite?!

[hamsturbation]

Ever here of an Atheist holy war?

[/IMG]
The biggest mass murderers of the 20th century were Atheist. You can take the easy way out and blame religion for making people kill each other, but in reality if you take away religion people will kill each other over political beliefs, or whatever else they want. Don't blame the religion, blame humans.

[hamsturbation]

That's circumstantial... there were other social shift and improvements since the late 70s and gun policy changes that contributed to the drop in crime.


Gun control laws have nothing to do with it.

[B_tech]

Gun control laws have nothing to do with it.
Sure they do. Explain the precipitous drop in violent crime and crime with firearms after the Brady Bill passed if gun control legislation isn't a factor. The UCR stats for the 90s drop sharply after the bill was passed. Not the sole factor, but still a contributing factor.

[gimp juice]

So its ok for religions to put up billboards and launch campaigns against atheism and atheists, but atheists can't express their own opinions publicly in the same manner?

It's almost like everyone's so used to religions being aggressively anti-atheist and pro-theist that it's considered normal and ok, but atheists are somehow massive assholes for expressing their point of view.

Most theists are somewhere between ignorant and willfully delusional. At least, the ones that think their religion is right and the others are wrong (and that is most of them). The same people that would refer to "greek myths" or "mayan mythology" get up in arms when its their religion being called a myth, despite the lack of any real notable distinction except for how many practitioners there are at the moment.y

thank you for qualifying your statement with "most", peter. that's appreciated.

i wish psylon had done the same :/

[dj plantlife]

would everyone just go type "most hated group in america" in google, see what comes up the most, and then kindly stfu?

[BobbyRitalin]

bring on my mythological creatures mothafuckas!!

medusa!! the krakken!! cthulhu!! moses!!

[kizat]

bring on my mythological creatures mothafuckas!!

medusa!! the krakken!! cthulhu!! moses!!

I'm glad bigfoot isn't in your list...

cuz that motherfucker is REAL.

[Hollywood]

What's your point? Down in the south, there are billboards FROM churches, directly aimed at non-believers. If one is allowed, so too is the other... be thankful you're not in teH bible belt and you don't have to see the roads slathered with Christian garbage and 'messages'. Billboards advertising anything other than a gas station ahead are bad enough... religious advertising is low-brow and caters to the lowest common denominator to me.

dude!

dipshit!

asshole!

motherfucker!

READ WHAT I WROTE!

that was just one example of many of them that piss me off.

on the defense of the religous billboards....atleast the ones on the side of the street are facing an atheist church on their most holy holliday!

to me that's a slap in the face...


one on the side of the road...i could really careless about...if i was walking around downtown seattle and say a billboard that said christmas is a lie...no problem at all...i could care less..

but RIGHT OUT FRONT OF A CHURCH FACING IT so when people get out of church on christmas its the first thing that they see....

dude..it's kind of fucked up!

again!

I dont' believe in any religon at all!!!!! so i'm not taking sides here.....I'm saying that it was a direct attack insted of an eye opening msg.

[burnt]

I'm glad bigfoot isn't in your list...

cuz that motherfucker is REAL.

so's the wallowa lake monster

http://www.unknownexplorers.com/wallowalakemonster.php

[kizat]

so's the wallowa lake monster

http://www.unknownexplorers.com/wallowalakemonster.php

Ooh...

I've seen it!

[BobbyRitalin]

i masturbated while looking at memphre from lake memphremagog

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphre


just sayin

[dj plantlife]

when you spank it, those are jesus's dreams you are spilling...

[hamsturbation]

Sure they do. Explain the precipitous drop in violent crime and crime with firearms after the Brady Bill passed if gun control legislation isn't a factor. The UCR stats for the 90s drop sharply after the bill was passed. Not the sole factor, but still a contributing factor.
Eh, I could find tons of stats that say otherwise.It's kind of a pointless thing to argue over. Gun control keeps guns out of criminals hands as well as drug laws keep drugs out of users hands, or immigration laws keep illegal aliens out of the country.

[B_tech]

Eh, I could find tons of stats that say otherwise.It's kind of a pointless thing to argue over. Gun control keeps guns out of criminals hands as well as drug laws keep drugs out of users hands, or immigration laws keep illegal aliens out of the country.
No argument that gun control doesn't keep guns out of the hands of criminals, but that's not what I stated....I said it wwas a factor and there are few in academia that would argue the Brady Bill wasn't a factor in the crime reduction of the 90s.

[BobbyRitalin]

jesus keeps guns out of peoples hands, we prefer to fight with knives, swords, and on horseback like back in the day.

shits biblical son.

[Loki]

Fucking tides, how do they work?

[hamsturbation]

Fucking tides, how do they work?

FTW! someone should photochop Bill O'reilly with ICP facepaint.

[DragonKatt]

FTW! someone should photochop Bill O'reilly with ICP facepaint.

I will do if after I get off work, well, if someone doesn't get to it before me. :D

[HexRei]

dude!

dipshit!

asshole!

motherfucker!

READ WHAT I WROTE!

that was just one example of many of them that piss me off.

on the defense of the religous billboards....atleast the ones on the side of the street are facing an atheist church on their most holy holliday!

to me that's a slap in the face...


one on the side of the road...i could really careless about...if i was walking around downtown seattle and say a billboard that said christmas is a lie...no problem at all...i could care less..

but RIGHT OUT FRONT OF A CHURCH FACING IT so when people get out of church on christmas its the first thing that they see....

dude..it's kind of fucked up!

again!

I dont' believe in any religon at all!!!!! so i'm not taking sides here.....I'm saying that it was a direct attack insted of an eye opening msg.

I think its more awesome than fucked up. But then again I've escorted girls at the Lovejoy women's clinic past hordes of ranting christians with giant signs about abortionists going to hell with pictures of dead kids and stuff. So I've seen Christians do far nastier things than a single billboard calling a religion (fairly accurately) a myth.

[DragonKatt]

I think its more awesome than fucked up. But then again I've escorted girls at the Lovejoy women's clinic past hordes of ranting christians with giant signs about abortionists going to hell with pictures of dead kids and stuff. So I've seen Christians do far nastier things than a single billboard calling a religion (fairly accurately) a myth.



The people that protest against abortion at clinics miss the point of the clinic: to prevent it in the first place. As a Christian myself, these protesters make me facepalm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgNrmUDKU6c

[Andromeda.]

the sense of entitlement that religious people feel and constantly speak from as a result of it is fucking astounding.

by being christian or catholic, and more generally just a non-atheist (as long as you believe in something rather than nothing...), you are in the majority. you are not on the fringes, you are firmly in "the safe zone". as a result, you walk along your merry way in the world where people saying "god bless you" or offering you comforts about jesus or the afterlife -- or, fuck it, something as simple as every holiday you and every fucking store that exists fucking celebrates -- and none of it flashes on your radar. when you speak to someone about god's plan or how god helped them in some way you feel no qualms about it.

then something happens. the instant ONE thing crosses your awareness that affronts this casual daily comfort your society has nestled you in, you balk. it can be a big offensive billboard, it can be seeing a book cover on the news that displeases you, it could be that someone said they don't believe in miracles, it could be because for a split second you glanced one of those evolution fish on someone's bumper. and it's completely outrageous! you get mad, you accuse, you stop listening, you get offended, you wonder why atheists and non-believers aren't nicer to you about it, why they can't be more open minded, why they can't just leave you alone, why they can't just accept other people's beliefs, why they can't mind their own business, why why why why why.

flip the script. you're an atheist. for your entire life you smilingly either ignore, accept or brush off every comment, billboard, news quip, song, tv show, letter from a family member mentioning prayers or jesus or well-wishing on behalf of a god, "god bless you!"s from strangers when you sneeze, sales promotion at every store you walk into that occurs for literal months out of the year, bumper sticker, charity, the news, constant stream of churches and crosses, mormons at your door and everything else -- an uncountable and seemingly infinite number of ways that religion intrudes into your awareness at all times.

you are in the minority. you are in the fringe. you are not in "the safe zone" where you are always surrounded your whole life by many things that appeal directly to your beliefs. as a result, you don't ever develop that sense of entitlement that the religious -- and even many agnostics! -- develop, lean on indefinitely, and fling into people's faces the instant their comfort zone gets threatened.

as soon as you get huffy about it, as soon as you start talking back, as soon as you start calling it on the bullshit you know deeply that it is, as soon as you say it's offensive, as soon as you say "fuck this, this is how *i* feel -- then you're being an Angry Atheist. the entitlement complex comes out in full force and in many forms. why can't you be more open minded? why can't you just accept how others feel? why can't you just leave others to their beliefs? what do you have to ever feel angry about?

how about, fuck you?

how about, take your religious majority-smug sense of entitlement and fuck yourself with it? how about YOU get the fuck off of other people's doorsteps, take that fucking jesus bumper sticker off YOUR car, be more open minded to other people's religions, take that cross off YOUR neck, keep YOUR fucking mouth shut about your god and your prayers and your beliefs and how tolerant you supposedly are (when you're not)? how about YOU, for once? oh, you can't? because pointing out that hypocrisy suddenly makes ME the dick for daring to say it out loud when YOU are the one doing the exact fucking thing except on a scale of times a thousand?

it's ridiculous how much shit religious / spiritual people feel that they are entitled to do and say and expect out of non-religious / non-spiritual people, but not to have to adhere to the same respects, just because they have grown accustomed to being The Majority.

fucking. sense. of. entitlement.




"as long as you believe in something instead of nothing." as long as that, you're "in". you get to cover yourself with that neat sense of entitlement. atheists are expected to deal with it and say nothing.

as if a PERSONAL belief in nothing versus something should really fucking matter to anyone else.

[Shauk]

Wiping out religion would stimulate the economy. All that money that goes to building cathedrals and pope palaces and bullshit like that, you know that shit costs billions, oh and lets not forget the owner of domino's who build his own holy city, such a mockery to the idea of faith if you ask me.

so this video and it's fucked up 2% vs 80% quote.

get real.

http://i.imgur.com/TDq8L.png

[DragonKatt]

I interrupt this riveting discussion with a really really bad photoshop job!
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/DragonKat/pos.jpg?t=1294469592

(yes, I know it is crap. I couldn't find a good picture to start with, so I didn't bother doing a good job with a low quality image)

[Mr_mask]

So guilt by association? Not all people a part of organized religion do those things, so it's unfair to say they do. What about all the people that commit murder and acts without using their religious base as the cause?
Statistically, only 19% of crime is based on religious belief, so to condemn all people of faith, when 81% of crime in the US is committed by people for NON-religious reasons, is unfair and illogical. (That's an FBI, UCR stat for 2009, BTW)

Your beef is more with ignorance, than with the faith they adhere to, but regardless of what religion people follow, there are ignorant people everywhere... yes, that includes atheists. Not to say I'm not right there with ya... I'm all good with people believing what they do, but when one questions my faith or my lifestyle, then we have problems. As long as there is ignorance, there will be the issues you described; religion or no, the answer is to attempt to make us a smarter species.

... and for the record, I've read some rantings from atheist writers and they can be just as fanatical about their disdain for religion, as some of the religious lot can be toward atheists and other faiths.

*been listening to the stuff on your site ;)

Now on to the reply.

My fiancee is atheist but not a true atheist. Can an atheist beleive in a spiritual connection to everything? List the concept of a soul, a universal spirit etc. etc? I am desiring this information so I can know what to actually call us. I do not beleive in a god. It was all some stupid UFO landing and a few people idolizing the creatures for not eating rocks. Genesis said gods in every place that it said god and Jesus was born about 6 months from when we all celebrate like retards at walmart.

I beleive in a scientific theory that tends to be heavily spiritual. She calls herself an atheist, when this is not something I align myself with. I beleive in the theory of every atom being a universe. All the stored energy of the cosmos, and sharing pieces of our souls with those we are around.
The problem with religion, is that they elaborate, when it should be kept
1.Simple
2.Open to differing ideas and beliefs
3. Without resistance to the concept of being wrong at some point in history

I would make a great messiah if I was not so fundamentally unlikeable.

[Andromeda.]

Can an atheist beleive in a spiritual connection to everything? List the concept of a soul, a universal spirit etc. etc?

yes. you don't have to believe in fairy tails to acknowledge that we are genetically hardwired to find meaning in the things around us, our part in the universe, and how we are connected to it all, or to wonder about our place in the universe. there's plenty of scientific research describing the way we think.

some of my favorite atheist writers willingly admit that they still have feelings that verge on the spiritual. those same writers acknowledge the cosmic connection we share with this universe, all being made of the same stuff within it. that doesn't mean you have to subscribe to some bloated fantasy about petty god revenge, an afterlife, or the awareness we have that other animals seemingly do not that we call a "soul".

biology is a complicated thing, and consciousness even more so. there's plenty of room to find meaning without having to fall back on "god" to make it worthwhile for you.

what, do you think that atheists are just running around with their human switch off? :confused: sorry, but that's a just yet another one of the pretty terrible myths that have been spread about what it means to be an atheist.

i'm not saying there aren't atheists that deny their emotions (or flat out don't have any) and connection to the matter around them (if they even have a connection). they don't define shit for everyone else though. that's the same as a religious belief, trying to compartmentalize everyone else into your exact belief.

[StarLight]

the sense of entitlement that religious people feel and constantly speak from as a result of it is fucking astounding.

by being christian or catholic, and more generally just a non-atheist (as long as you believe in something rather than nothing...), you are in the majority. you are not on the fringes, you are firmly in "the safe zone". as a result, you walk along your merry way in the world where people saying "god bless you" or offering you comforts about jesus or the afterlife -- or, fuck it, something as simple as every holiday you and every fucking store that exists fucking celebrates -- and none of it flashes on your radar. when you speak to someone about god's plan or how god helped them in some way you feel no qualms about it.

then something happens. the instant ONE thing crosses your awareness that affronts this casual daily comfort your society has nestled you in, you balk. it can be a big offensive billboard, it can be seeing a book cover on the news that displeases you, it could be that someone said they don't believe in miracles, it could be because for a split second you glanced one of those evolution fish on someone's bumper. and it's completely outrageous! you get mad, you accuse, you stop listening, you get offended, you wonder why atheists and non-believers aren't nicer to you about it, why they can't be more open minded, why they can't just leave you alone, why they can't just accept other people's beliefs, why they can't mind their own business, why why why why why.

flip the script. you're an atheist. for your entire life you smilingly either ignore, accept or brush off every comment, billboard, news quip, song, tv show, letter from a family member mentioning prayers or jesus or well-wishing on behalf of a god, "god bless you!"s from strangers when you sneeze, sales promotion at every store you walk into that occurs for literal months out of the year, bumper sticker, charity, the news, constant stream of churches and crosses, mormons at your door and everything else -- an uncountable and seemingly infinite number of ways that religion intrudes into your awareness at all times.

you are in the minority. you are in the fringe. you are not in "the safe zone" where you are always surrounded your whole life by many things that appeal directly to your beliefs. as a result, you don't ever develop that sense of entitlement that the religious -- and even many agnostics! -- develop, lean on indefinitely, and fling into people's faces the instant their comfort zone gets threatened.

as soon as you get huffy about it, as soon as you start talking back, as soon as you start calling it on the bullshit you know deeply that it is, as soon as you say it's offensive, as soon as you say "fuck this, this is how *i* feel -- then you're being an Angry Atheist. the entitlement complex comes out in full force and in many forms. why can't you be more open minded? why can't you just accept how others feel? why can't you just leave others to their beliefs? what do you have to ever feel angry about?

how about, fuck you?

how about, take your religious majority-smug sense of entitlement and fuck yourself with it? how about YOU get the fuck off of other people's doorsteps, take that fucking jesus bumper sticker off YOUR car, be more open minded to other people's religions, take that cross off YOUR neck, keep YOUR fucking mouth shut about your god and your prayers and your beliefs and how tolerant you supposedly are (when you're not)? how about YOU, for once? oh, you can't? because pointing out that hypocrisy suddenly makes ME the dick for daring to say it out loud when YOU are the one doing the exact fucking thing except on a scale of times a thousand?

it's ridiculous how much shit religious / spiritual people feel that they are entitled to do and say and expect out of non-religious / non-spiritual people, but not to have to adhere to the same respects, just because they have grown accustomed to being The Majority.

fucking. sense. of. entitlement.




"as long as you believe in something instead of nothing." as long as that, you're "in". you get to cover yourself with that neat sense of entitlement. atheists are expected to deal with it and say nothing.

as if a PERSONAL belief in nothing versus something should really fucking matter to anyone else.

Could not have said this better myself. Thank you! *BIG pat on the back*

[B_tech]

Can an atheist beleive in a spiritual connection to everything? List the concept of a soul, a universal spirit etc. etc?
I don't see why not... atheists refuse to believe in a higher power, not that we're disconnected from each other.

[IrisSilverMoon]

. Can an atheist beleive in a spiritual connection to everything?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk

hope that answers your question if Cat's answer didn't do it for ya.

that video above basically explains how fucking awesome science is, for me I can't grasp believing in god when i have the stuff covered in this video.

[BobbyRitalin]

science is dumb. ride a surfboard with me and the big jc

[fuerve]

I don't know about you other atheists but I like to eat babies and drink blood.

[B_tech]

I don't know about you other atheists but I like to eat babies and drink blood.

No shit? According to some Muslim groups, so do us Jews. :)

[BobbyRitalin]

no jews just kill jesuses all day

[burnt]

No shit? According to some Muslim groups, so do us Jews. :)
just the foreskin though, right?

[BobbyRitalin]

hey brandon, your myths and my myths should have an epic battle, it'll be like "clash of the titans" meets "war of the words" times "monty pythons holy grail" divided by "passion of the christ" (where your people killed jesus) multiplied by 50 remakes of "glory" and subtract one "rudy"

that shit would be epic son!

[Hollywood]

I think its more awesome than fucked up. But then again I've escorted girls at the Lovejoy women's clinic past hordes of ranting christians with giant signs about abortionists going to hell with pictures of dead kids and stuff. So I've seen Christians do far nastier things than a single billboard calling a religion (fairly accurately) a myth.

I agree that that is FUCKING FUCKED UP! like the bombings at womens clinics...horrible things...direct attack is a direct attack...

On both sides..i wasn't saying one is worse then the other...i was sayign they ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL pissed me off...just because i posted one...i also posted a shit load of other ones to clarify!

[BobbyRitalin]

remember what they say, eye for an eye and the world gets to look like pirates

[Andromeda.]

hey brandon, your myths and my myths should have an epic battle, it'll be like "clash of the titans" meets "war of the words" times "monty pythons holy grail" divided by "passion of the christ" (where your people killed jesus) multiplied by 50 remakes of "glory" and subtract one "rudy"

that shit would be epic son!

you forgot snakes on a plane.

[HexRei]

I agree that that is FUCKING FUCKED UP! like the bombings at womens clinics...horrible things...direct attack is a direct attack...

On both sides..i wasn't saying one is worse then the other...i was sayign they ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL pissed me off...just because i posted one...i also posted a shit load of other ones to clarify!

Uhhh, no. a billboard is not horrible or a direct attack "like the bombings at womens clinics". don't be an ass.

[B_tech]

hey brandon, your myths and my myths should have an epic battle, it'll be like "clash of the titans" meets "war of the words" times "monty pythons holy grail" divided by "passion of the christ" (where your people killed jesus) multiplied by 50 remakes of "glory" and subtract one "rudy"

that shit would be epic son!

Yea... and Daft Punk should do the soundtrack all Tron style.

[BobbyRitalin]

Yea... and Daft Punk should do the soundtrack all Tron style.

i think that would be overkill

[Andromeda.]

i think there's a man named michael bay who might have dissimilar ideas about overkill than you do. you could learn a thing or two from him. live the dream.

[BobbyRitalin]

i would want glenn danzig to make the soundtrack

[JiveTurkeyMoFo]

WUT?

NOT EVERYONE CAN KNOW HOW LAUNDRY DETERGENT WORKS

JEESH

[B_tech]

i would want glenn danzig to make the soundtrack
Slayer FTW.

Raining Blood would be a killer 'fight' song.

[DJ_G3N3R4L]

great talk

http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html

[infradead]

when you spank it, those are jesus's dreams you are spilling...

i'm kind of disturbed to think that jesus dreams about my cum..

[Nukegrrrl]

i would want glenn danzig to make the soundtrackAnd Danzig has to be wearing a Danzig shirt while he makes this Danzig soundtrack.

[Andromeda.]

k, so i can't seem to find burnt's breakdown of the acockonlips, err, the apocalypse. i have a question about it anyway.

why is the antichrist considered so evil if his behbeh is the one that's going to save the world? i mean, before it gets eated. but still. no antichrist = no potential earth-saving behbeh.

[burnt]

k, so i can't seem to find burnt's breakdown of the acockonlips, err, the apocalypse. i have a question about it anyway.

why is the antichrist considered so evil if his behbeh is the one that's going to save the world? i mean, before it gets eated. but still. no antichrist = no potential earth-saving behbeh.

the antichrist creates many of the wars that divide humanity and slaughter much of humanity. he/she/it poses as a patriot and saint and is worshiped as such, but actually has ulterior motives of destruction.

it also creates the mark of the beast which is used to categorize and trainspot all of humanity. well, actually the beast does. but the antichrist sort of creates the beast.

I think. its been years since I read this crap.

but think of it this way.
Jesus came to the earth and preached about unity and love, before giving his life.
so, he was the christ.
he was worshiped for a while before finally being crucified because humanity was like "I thought you said you'd be a king" and he was like "well yea the king of heaven" and so humanity was like "fuck you, you tricked us."

the antichrist (if you believe this stuff) is more like .. preaches a lot of the same message, but actually tries to position him/her/itself as like, an actual king, in order to attain massive power and subjugation over all of earth. "hey everybody lets all get along and love one another! ok, here I am your king, YAAAAY, new world order, ok everybody has to do what I say now so there's no more wars..."

so like - Lex Luthor when Luthor becomes president of earth. looks like a good guy, but actually, a really bad and power hungry bad guy, with really bad and sadistic habits.

the baby eating thing is just sort of a footnote to the revelation, and I always got the impression that it will basically serve as the straw that breaks god's back. so he's like "ok fuck it, this place is finished."

[fuerve]

k, so i can't seem to find burnt's breakdown of the acockonlips, err, the apocalypse. i have a question about it anyway.

why is the antichrist considered so evil if his behbeh is the one that's going to save the world? i mean, before it gets eated. but still. no antichrist = no potential earth-saving behbeh.

Because it's all a grand play and this mortal life is the audition. Most of us will get the hook for adlibbing but the ones who play their parts as written in the script get to star in the big show for an audience of one.

[Mayo Finch]

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