Normally I hate psytrance, but...

[dogod]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYzgBBUnmRQ&feature=related

wish I could find more stuff like this. Minimally, techy, glitchy.

[dogod]

damn im digging this progressive/minimal psytrance sound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d07DAbFnm2Q&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJFJGyzm8co&feature=player_embedded#

[bgrade]

Maybe you already know but the whole album from your first link is free on Ektoplazm. New Age Hippies have I think three or for other albums for free on there too.

http://www.ektoplazm.com/2009/new-age-hippies-entrance

[Mr_mask]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG9WoQwU9Ds&playnext=1&list=PL0909F5B701A3E918

That is the first thing I thought of after hearing the links. It might not be as minimal, but still has the industrial influence I heard in the other stuff. Runs at like 130 bpms.

[dogod]

Many thanks!

Also: can anyone send me Deck Wizards with DJ DeDe?

[Mr_mask]

Being selective with music can be a good thing. Maybe you need to play psy now. It would be unique to hear this ;)

This would mean you would have to hear lots of psy though. We dj in groups.

[SkyElectric]

Psytrance is a huge genre (arn't they all) but yea, lot that sucks, some that is great.

[Mr_mask]

Psytrance is a huge genre (arn't they all) but yea, lot that sucks, some that is great.

I think sucks can be a strong word, but I agree that the principal is lost sometimes. For me I shy away from psytrance that isn't psychedelic. If it's focus is on using the meat and potatoes of psy without venturing into new lands, usually I do not feel it.

I tend to like it when people put ethnic music into it. It gives it the spirit of their families.

[Oink]

Some of my favorites
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP0CMus8xi8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYSXtC9nIuc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYRbgtAqZ8g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hjl59yLVHM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09UrSmpcQ8Q

Hopefully something in there you can dig! Ya I feel Psytrance definitely has a lot to offer! as with all music really.

[Mr_mask]

I think the avalon track was probably the most psychedelic. Not the most original track of the bunch, but definitely the most psychedelic and the most likely to enter my playlist if I was picking one to play.

Your selection definitely shows a diversity.

[Oink]

^^ Such a great track of timeless quality! So fun to dance too! Would love to hear it through a proper sound system! Hell yes! :)

[dogod]

Being selective with music can be a good thing. Maybe you need to play psy now. It would be unique to hear this ;)

This would mean you would have to hear lots of psy though. We dj in groups.

Ive been to lots of festivals and parties with psy stages. I think psy suffers from maximalism. Being from a broken beat background I need space, silence.

And that Avalon track is more full on. I feel like I would have to be high to dig that shit at a party.

[Mr_mask]

Ive been to lots of festivals and parties with psy stages. I think psy suffers from maximalism. Being from a broken beat background I need space, silence.

And that Avalon track is more full on. I feel like I would have to be high to dig that shit at a party.

I think you can do full-on with minimalism. This guy kinda goes back and forth with minimalist elements while still providing a full on energy. Lots of psychedelics though. No skimping on those.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLHj62tbX-g

[Mr_mask]

Also this might be fun for a breaks guy. Not so minimal but starts out with a cool break http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdfpXJAl4no&feature=related


I kinda felt the same as you I think when I discovered that not all drum and bass was dark and nasty with a percussion emphasis. I hated drum and bass before, as Seattle pushed a one sub-genre drum and bass ride for like several years. I went to Portland and heard some jump-up, ragga and some just different drum and bass and it opened my eyes. Now I book drum and bass. I even opened up and like some of the dark shit if it's written or played well. Dieselboy still sucked every time I saw him, but I say the same for infected mushroom after they became a rock band.

Still waiting on some dubstep that can get me dancing. They haven't released any yet I think. If I listen to dubstep, and like it, it cannot have any buildups as it bothers be to build at 145bpms and then drop back to 73bpms. I might dig some chill sounding artistic stuff though.

[dogod]

Yeah Seattle was way to heavy with the dark DnB there for awhile. By percussion emphasis you mean too much drums, not enough bass? A lot of that shit didn't seem bassey to me. Or if it was, the drums just totally drowned out the tones of the bass, so the bass was just vibration.

Aaron Simpson seemed to be pushing more of a upbeat, neurofunky sound for wahile but I think that was after the fact. At the Baltic Room in the early 00's it was often this slap happy shite.

Sorry, I lack int he musical theory vocab department.

[Mr_mask]

It was like percussion and the rest kinda just vibrated. No lead sounds, no crisp bass that moved.

With music theory, do you mean when I was talking about bpms? or when I said Jump up.
With bpms, dubstep djs say they play at 145, but they leave out half the elements. I have written a slow house track at 240 which is the same speed as speedcore. I just left out half the kicks and it sounded like 120bpms. This is what dubstep does. Listen to breakbeats which are a better represenation of the speeds they claim. (130-145bpms.) It's called writing in half time, but when I said what speed my house track was, I said 120 as that is the representation of how many percussion elements I used.
Jump up is just goofy weird drum and bass. It can be dark in a circusy way like psy.
Here is a link to some ok stuff. Not perfect, but ok. It does have some nice variation. Seattle d&B scene hated it pretty bad, but it was a breath of fresh air in the d&B rooms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7u5wK6cofE&feature=related

[Mr_mask]

Oh and Aaron was always cool. I always used to talk to him when I bought recs at freq 8. Was sad to lose him as a trance dj but he did good for d&B Seattle and brought harmony and variety.

[dogod]

When I said music theory I meant the vocab, like I don't know if I always use the terms the right way. For instance, when the bass is so low that it vibrates heavily, does that mean it has less 'tone' and/or 'melody'? Like a lot of the dark DNB stuff, seemed just like growls emanating from the speakers. No brightness to it.

I understand bpms and half time, though not real well.

Jump up is often looked down upon in the Dnb community, though I like it mixed in with other subgenres. Fun to dance to.

[redu4]

New Age Hippies aren't psytrance, bro. And like everything else in life... there is good psytrance and then there's not-so-good psytrance.

[Mr_mask]

Hippies are more of an American concept. Psytrance is worldwide. I could list the countries in my average tracklisting but it would take wayyyyyyyy tooooooooo looooooonnnnnngggggggg. Just know it would be all 6 continents. No antarctic psy yet that I know of.

[Mr_mask]

When I said music theory I meant the vocab, like I don't know if I always use the terms the right way. For instance, when the bass is so low that it vibrates heavily, does that mean it has less 'tone' and/or 'melody'? Like a lot of the dark DNB stuff, seemed just like growls emanating from the speakers. No brightness to it.


The concept about the bass could be called low frequency oscillation. With the other brightness part, you could just say it did not have a lot of melodic elements. Brightness can be taken for mood the song emits or how crisp the high hats are. Melody is a sound that moves in frequency that is confined to a note scale. It usually skips some notes to sound more appealing (think of it as someone not using the black keys on the piano.) It can be a bass melody or a lead melody. Frequency itself is how fast the vibrations are. All sounds vibrate (oscillate,) but the oscilations move faster and faster to the point that the sounds become a higher note. The value these are given is in hertz or kilohertz (Hz or Khz.) There is a number of oscillations per second value for all the notes c1 csharp1
D1 all the way up the notes of a piano. The best way to see/feel the oscillations speed up is to listen to a bass test on a semi decent system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUh6Rif41K0

If you ever don't understand a term I use, then you are always free to ask, but let me know which ones. I like to share these things and they can be valuable if you are looking for something specific in a song and asking people for it.

[J Renegade]

I thought all the hippies liked Dubstep now! ;) Or at least a shit ton of them do in Oregon.

*Edit* There was some good psy in the youtube links. Thank you for that. :)

[DJ Nikon]

Jump up is often looked down upon in the Dnb community, though I like it mixed in with other subgenres. Fun to dance to.

http://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Haters_Gonna_Hate.gif


i love jump up :) fun stuff

[Mr_mask]

I thought all the hippies liked Dubstep now! ;) Or at least a shit ton of them do in Oregon.

*Edit* There was some good psy in the youtube links. Thank you for that. :)

Yeah, that's the same with Oly. I guess it unites the hippies with the g-thugs. The dubstep crowd is one or the other with me. I either really like the person, or I fear them being there will present a hazard. There is no so-so dubstep people for me.

[Oink]

I thought all the hippies liked Dubstep now! ;) Or at least a shit ton of them do in Oregon.

*Edit* There was some good psy in the youtube links. Thank you for that. :)

Ya dude, explains why Burning Man was like 70% Dubstep.... I even wrote "Where's the Psytrance?" on my back because I couldn't find any! WTF! haha

[B_tech]

Good psy is good, bad psy is bad... just like every other genre. Frankly, well produced psy is some of the most complex, amazing music out there. I LOVE some of the older stuff like old L.S.G (before he went all prog house), Funkopath and Nuclear Hyde... anything on NOOM for that matter.

[DJ Nikon]

Ya dude, explains why Burning Man was like 70% Dubstep.... I even wrote "Where's the Psytrance?" on my back because I couldn't find any! WTF! haha

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really??? Burning Man was mostly Dubstep?


wow :( :(

[Oink]

........

really??? Burning Man was mostly Dubstep?


wow :( :(

Yes sir! I went thinking I'd be reliving my days in Goa with a bunch of Psy loving hippies haha,... but not at all... the only time I heard Psytrance was my first day there someone set up a speaker in the middle of the desert with nothing but a small generator powering it and I was the only one dancing in front of it haha it was hella cool lol! I was really suprised by how dubstep dominated it was! Never would of thought.... I did a ton of exploring too! When it wasnt dubstep it was usually trip-hop/glitch/house or just some classic rock/jamband stuff. My favorite camp through threw day raves called Distrikt that played HELLA good techno/tech-house oh it was beautiful! :) Had a killer time!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=635905528260&set=t.731113668&theater

[PropHaze]

Good psy is good, bad psy is bad... just like every other genre. Frankly, well produced psy is some of the most complex, amazing music out there. I LOVE some of the older stuff like old L.S.G (before he went all prog house), Funkopath and Nuclear Hyde... anything on NOOM for that matter.
In mentioning L.S.G. I just want to confirm that you're referring to one of the main projects of Oliver Lieb. Hands down one of my personal top 5 favorite edm producers btw. However, I would have to disagree if you're suggesting that anything from L.S.G constitutes psychedelic electronica. But perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point in mentioning L.S.G or the former German techno/trance label Noom Records neither of which are related to anything close to psytrance IF that is in fact what you're stating :)

[dogod]

Dubstep is totally taking over. It's practically the only music anyone plays in the Bay Area now. (Except on Castro.)

[bgrade]

I thought Psychovsky played at Burning Man this year. Not at all in the vein of the mellower prog psy this thread is supposed to be about, but here is a link to some video of Psy being played at BM2010.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfadUTSUtvs

[J Renegade]

Just wait they will make Psy step any min guys. Cmon Bgrade get on it! ;)

(Probably already have hahaha)

[PropHaze]

Dubstep is totally taking over. It's practically the only music anyone plays in the Bay Area now. (Except on Castro.)
On the topic of Bay Area music dubstep and mid-tempo glitch-hop ghetto-crunk burner whompcrunkstep and other hip-hop oriented being among the predominant styles of party music has been in effect for awhile. So its sustaining and ain't goin anywhere for awhile yeah. For the really extended long term though, who knows. I'm a native San Franciscan but left in 2003 and haven't been back since. The times and music preferences have changed compared to the 90s heyday for sure.

Some of the if the THE best psytrance events in the country with the best headliners take place in the S.F. Bay Area and L.A. They're really spoiled in that regard having psytrance friendly promoters with plenty of money to put into extravagant events with big(relatively speaking) international names and lots of foo foo artsy fartsy decor(not to say that I don't like all that shit lol). But they don't have much of a draw b/c the vast majority of edm enthusiasts have never heard of any real quality psytrance headliners(besides fucking infected mushroom) or asstral projection nor do they know of or appreciate the music they produce. But the promoters can afford to bring all that and still have a low turnout and not go bankrupt. For the most part the psytrance scene there is still a small obscure alienated "community" that nobody in the rave or club scene or general population gives a shit about. And thats pretty much how they(psytrancers) like it and wanna keep it. Kinda the same condition as found here in the Pac NW.

Aside from that I would think the house variations will always hold firm there and here for that matter. As for the many other flavors under the edm umbrella, well, I know I personally still and will continue to dig many of them and don't really care how popular they are.

[vinyltap]

Just wait they will make Psy step any min guys. Cmon Bgrade get on it! ;)

(Probably already have hahaha)

http://www.heyokamusic.com/

Pretty damn close.

[bgrade]

There is a bunch of Psy Dubstep. Tom Cosm makes some Psylectro Dubstep. Bohdisatva 1320 Makes some dubsteppy psy downtempo. LuneCell too. Plenty o that stuff out there. Tends to be mellower than the brostep stuff people like so much and has like a more Psytrance short kick instead of being super boomy.

[PropHaze]

<3 Bird Of Prey's stuff --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dodfq0APYXE&feature=related

[Swashbuckler]

Funny that I found this topic today. My buddy sent me this link just this morning.
http://soundcloud.com/groups/psychedelic-dubstep