Pain never felt before and wont go away

[Nycer_169]

So a friend and I were chat about something and is not funny and in a way a bit sad.We were chat about being shot . He has been shot 4 time and me 2 times whic is way to many time for the both of us. We were sayen how bad it hurt . It's like were ever you get hit is on fire . A pain neverfelt before and it wont go away. So my question is have any of you been shot and why. <<<Nycer_169>>>

[Headphones Dude]

I was shot in the back with a bb gun just because I went to some kid's house to play with him, and the local bully didn't want me hanging around, so I ran home screaming crying to my dad. My dad had a little talk with that bully, and I never went there again. But a bb is no bullet, so to answer your question, no, I can't.

[DJ Rawkus]

dood, he wasn't asking you if you COULD get shot, he was asking IF you had been shot LOL!!

anyways, i have been shot at and shot directly. If anyone would like to see my "cool" scar, i'll show you </sarcasm>
i got it from being stupid and being involved awhile back with the wrong type of people. As cool as them seemed they did not have my back, and i ended up learning that the hard way by a nice visit to the ER whilst my blood flowed freely and i pretty much just fell out of reality(the reality i had at that time) for a few days. I tellya, it's not easy being a Kent ghetto street warrior =)

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We just want to dance here, someone stole the stage
They call us irresponsible, write us off the page -Starship

[sin]

Been shot at...but never hit. Don't plan on ever trying it out though, not something I wanna try. Especially after seeing people I know get shot/killed.

[SuperGirl]

Proof positive that Americans are fucking insane.

In the course of my entire life, I have probably met maybe three people who have been shot at, and two of them were total accidents during military training. The third was in Bosnia as a peacekeeper when someone decided that a firefight just ain't good enough unless you start killing the UN guys. The Unknown Gunman took a nice chunk of muscle off his left upper arm, and his CO had to sew him up with a tent repair kit. Fun!

My point being that the only people I've ever met who have been fired at were doing it as their job - as bizarre a concept as that is. It's not even a question of knowing people who have been shot and never mention it... it's completely rare up here. I had never even personally heard a gun discharge (ie not on tv) until I took target shooting lessons at the age of 15 - and I wasn't sheltered. Do you not have gun safety laws down there? LITTLE KIDS with BB GUNS? Are you out of your fucking MINDS?

And being SHOT? WHAT?? You're all talking about this as if having someone discharge a deadly weapon at you is just one of those things that just "happens" - like bad hair, or a headache, or the way you're hungry 20 minutes after eating chinese food.

What the FUCK is wrong with you guys?

~SG~>

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[skipLogic]

i think i have to agree with SG on this one.

this post is FUCKED.

[Nycer_169]

supergirl and sliplogic= Sorry you didn't like this post but it a question I wanted to ask.Supergirl and not all of us grew upin great places and a "discharge of a deadly weapon" is something I have had to deal with almost everday . So for me it is like a bad hair day. I guess not one can be as wonderful as you your just a better person than me and everone else

[SuperGirl]

And some people up here deal with rape and child abuse and incest every day, but at least the fucking government doesn't protect anyones right to do it to them. Your right to bear arms means that everyone you have ever pissed off can kill you if they get mad enough. After all, they have the right to cart around enough firepower to look like a stunt guy from a fucking John Woo movie.

What I'm saying is - it's this common and you guys still think it's ok? You've been shot, but never voted for gun control? You still live in a country where the chances of being shot by some random asshole with a bug up his ass is roughly the same as my chances of being rained on - and you think this is a way to live?

It's a way to DIE.

~SG~>

[skipLogic]

I just think it's jacked that people have to deal with being shot period. shoot.

images/smilies/smile.gif - skip

[Zane]

SuperGirl,

Ever been stabbed? I have. I suppose the government should outlaw knives too eh?

Zane

[Nycer_169]

Don't say I have never voter for gun control.If you don't like what this post has to do with you should have never replied to it.Zane it right his been stabbed should outlaw knives too. Hell I was in Belltown 3 weeks ago and someone jump me and some friends and used a 2by4 on me and broke some rib let outlaw 2by4 as and how bout rock 2 they can put some1 eye out.I never said this way a way to live . If you don't like what you see then don't look . I had 27 friends die and I'm only 22 SO DON'T TELL ME ABOUT DYING~~~~~~Nycer_169

[SuperGirl]

If you're comparing rocks and knives to guns then you obviously have no fucking sense of perspective at all. If you're so all fired (ha! pun not intended!) up about the idea that all weapons are equal, lets take it the other way. If guns are allowed, why not grenades? Why not the right to bear petrochemical arms? Hey, how about the right to carry biological weapons? Why not just finish the fucking job and give every man, woman, and child in the states a goddamned TAC NUKE?!?

Because that's not what we're talking about, that's why. We're talking about guns and how harmful and hurtful they are. You have to be at least moderately physically competent to kill someone with a rock, a knife, or a club - but any asshole, from the age of 3 to the age of 120, can pick up a gun and use it to try to solve their problems. Fuckin' A, right? Makes me sleep better to know that my international next door neighbors are armed to the teeth and mad as a bear with a sore ass, let me tell you.


~SG~>

added later: Yeah Zane, I have been stabbed - and the type of knife she used is illegal to carry up here. What's your fucking point? That because someone ventilated me with a 7" blade I should have to spread cream cheese on my bagel with a spoon? Perspective and sodas all round. My treat.



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[Nycer_169]

SuperGirl= what can I say your a better person than me .Your god what was I thinking replying to you .You are right you know so much about everthing I'll just delete this topic .Can I be like you some day, a smart ass

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[Enkidu Kind]

I'm with Headphones Dude. B-B gun. I was in fifth grade, and these punk ass middle schoolers shot me off my bike. It hit me right on my shoulder blade. Ouch.

I have been shot at. When I lived in Klamath Falls (cue hillbilly music) my friend Brent and I were target shooting out in the hills close to town when these dudes up on a hill sook a couple of shots at us. They overshot by about 30 feet, but it stil scared the shit out of me. Bullets make a crazy Doppler effect noise when they go over you. It's an experience I hope never to relive. Anyway, Brent emptied his clip back at these guys and they drove off. Scary, huh?

images/smilies/smile.gif Enkidu images/smilies/smile.gif

[SuperGirl]

Translation: "I'm gonna take my toys and leave - you guys are cheaters!"


~SG~>

[Pooka]

I'm torn between the subject. I agree with Supergirl in the fact that it seems it would be much easier to kill someone with a gun from several feet away, then up close with a different weapon. But guns are not the problem. It's the people, the criminals and the criminals selling the weapons to them. We do have permits, and licenses that you are SUPPOSED to obtain to carry a gun. But the idiots who don't respect a life don't care about that. I grew up in a town where every family owned a gun, and parents actually TAUGHT their kids about them and the dangers the pose. We never had anybody shootin each other. It's hard for me to close this comment, I feel like I should tell you what I think our country should do to resolve the issue, but there are neg. and pos. consequences to all the ideas I have. images/smilies/frown.gif

[SuperGirl]

It's the people, the criminals and the criminals selling the weapons to them.

How about the criminals who allow guns to be sold in the first place? How about the criminals who fund them and allow them to stay in power?

Yes, I'm talking about the government and the people who vote for them. Everyone is responsible. It's like in the old days when a criminal was hanged and everyone present would touch the rope to show their agreement with what was being done. If you aren't actively pursuing a solution to the problem, then you are guilty of standing back and letting it happen as surely as if you watched a woman get raped in the street and did nothing about it.

(I use you in the plural, not you personally - I am not implying that you personally would do any such thing)

People who use the argument that "if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns" are logically and literally correct (no duh, guys... that's what outlawing something means), but the sense of what they are saying falls a bit short when it comes to applying it to the real world. I'm not saying Canada is superior or anything, but the per capita shooting deaths are MUCH lower up here, even in high crime areas. Sure the outlaws may have guns, but they don't use them unless they have to because just HAVING a gun is enough of a crime. If you start waving one around then you start looking at prolonged jail time - you don't even have to use it.

And your chances of being robbed at gunpoint are less likely than your chances of irritating someone you know. The upshot (ho ho! I'm so witty!) of this is that most private citizens don't have firepower to be silly with. If they catch their spouse cheating, they're more likely to scream and start throwing dishes than they are to start reliving the glory days of the Wild West in their living room.

~SG~>


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[Nycer_169]

SG_ Ishouldn't have called you a smart ass.I Know I cann't take it but still I'm sorry. Standing back and watch a crime ,well then I guilty. But I'm smart enought to look away thats nothing I'm happy about .So why don't you go get your rope and we can have every one touch it and you can hang me. Because in your eyes from the thing you have said I'm whats wrong with the world today and with out ppl like me every thing would be right as rain....Isn't that what your saying??????????????????????Nycer_169

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[spazz-monkey]

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!! *rolling on floor laughing*

WTF? We (speak for my experience in the good ol US of A) were born of violence. We live in violence. Anyone who tells you otherwise is running for office or lying... wait a minute.. or both.

Violence is everywhere. I grew up having to know how A. Run like a mother-fucker and B. Fight. Neither one are much fun, but as you get older and survive some scrapes you get wiser. You know when to fight and when not to, and you also have a survivor aura that make people think twice about messing with you. Seriously, it's like, in your walk. People see how you carry yourself, and they automatically know that, yes, they can fuck with you, better for sure as hell be a good damn reason cuz they are going to get fucking injured in the process. If not killed.

Nycer, yeah, I been around gunfights. The very sound of a forty-five, even down the street, makes me want to piss my pants. Never been hit though. Once when I was 16 someone hit me square on top of the head with a baseball bat... the world turned black and white, and faded to black. Kind of a warm fuzzy buzz came over me at the same time... I didn't feel the pain until later, when I woke up in some bushes my friends had dragged me to while they proceeded to stomp the fuckers who did it.

As for weapons, I wouldn't go for the biochemical weapons being legal, but I would like to have a bazooka. images/smilies/smile.gif maybe a 50 cal too... just in case. Grenades are so WW2. Gay and lame, hurting all those innocent bystanders.

Supersquirrel has never seen anything like a station wagon full of drunken heavily armed readnecks... they can be fun. Just watch your step... and don't piss them off. As fir the gangs, I stay WTF away from that scene... nothing more dangerous than a 12 year old toting a .22 that has something to prove to his little pre-pubie buddiess...

-Punk is easy. Jazz is hard.
Spazz

[AlexNUMB]

I own a gun.

I have never been shot at, nor have I ever shot at anyone. (Fuck, my guns have killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car...)

Then again, my roommate and I keep our guns locked in a safe, in a locked closet. Except the .44... that is securly positioned in an out of the way, but easily accessible place.

Our guns are legal and registered. I don't hunt and neither does my room mate. We have spueezed off about 4000 rounds at a certain wooded target range, however. I must say, I am a wicked shot. If anyone ever broke into my house, or threatened my life in our home, I feel confident that said attacker/intruder would lose a leg right at or above the knee. One shot, directly to a kneecap will stop a mam dead in his tracks.

Guns don't kill people. Dumbass punk bitches who equate owning and using a gun with power kill people. Fools who use weapons to threaten, intimidate, and commit acts of violence.

Think about it. Any gang banger with $100 can score a pistol w/ ammo. Same pistol will be unregistered or stolen. Any attempts to track the gun would be futile.

Those are the people that scare me.

I think it is a fucked up state of affairs when it is easier for street level criminals to obtain firearms than it is for your average citizen.

FYI-- Americans have the constitutional right to bear arms for a couple of reasons:

1. To serve as a citizen based militia in the event of war. (Largely outdated due to the formation and maintenece of the military)

2. To keep the citizenry armed in case of hostile control of the central government. (i.e. our founding fathers realized that democracy was not flawless... they expected the American people to keep and bear arms in the event that the government would ever have to be overthrown for the good of the nation.) (Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who said, "Any free government needs a little revolution sometimes?")

(Oh yeah, I am not some weird right wing militia wakko... I am voting Nader... images/smilies/smile.gif)

(BTW, Zane... Nice pic of you with the rifle in the post your picture thread... What is that you are holding?)

--Alex

[spazz-monkey]

I was in a mood last night; I should mention that I don't actually own a gun... just a baseball bat. And granted, while a bullet would stop me, my bat does seem to scare the piss outof people. I've never had to actually HIT anyone with it, just seriously menace them...

Anyone who is worried about safety tho, there is some cool non lethal stuff out now at the Westlake mall you can find it. I wanted to buy a can of the gel mace you spray on a grizzly bear, but the store clerk got awfully nervous when i told him I wanted to spray it on any potential burgulars... I guess it is strong enough to kill a human. Or at least send them to the ER.

oh well. some people ruin all my fun...

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[nhoJ]

If you really are concerned about guns in America and if the second amendment is meant to be an individual right or a collective right, you really should be paying attention to the courts right now. A case (United States v. Emerson) is pending appeal in the SF district court right now, which could force the courts to give a definative reading of the second amendment instead of the wishywashy reading from Miller (US v. Miller, the only case where the supreme court speaks directly about whether the second amendment right was an individual right for people to bear arms or whether the pre-amble meant that it was collectively affirming the right of the states to have militias.)
The organization that I worked for over the summer (and that Jizosh still works for) has submitted several amicus briefs in support of Dr. Emerson in this case. The wacos are watching this one, and anyone with a strong feeling other way in this issue will most certainly be impacted by the ruling of the courts in this case. You can read all the briefs filed so far in this case at http://www.saf.org/EmersonAll.html here.
This probably will not reach the supreme court for a good bit, it will be interesting to see how the presedential elections impact it...

[spazz-monkey]

"... fuck America"?? Hmmm...

Bliss, have you travelled outside of the states at all? If you have, fine, if not, go somewhere like interior China and then tell me what you think.

Yar, there are people who might leave USA, but would you really want to be victimized by our foreign policy as opposed to our domestic violence?

Freedom has it's prices... yeah, I live in a country where at any moment I could be blown up, shot, poisoned, hit by a drunk driver, trapped in a building, burned, falsely incarcerated... the list goes on and on. But I also can go anywhere I damn well please, at any hour of the day or night. If I want to take a piss on a bush I can. If I want to sit at a computer and spout anti-government rhetoric I can do that too... neither one is something I would be locked up or shot for by my government, at least not outright or very easily.

Anyone who lives in just about any other coutry in the world runs the risk of being killed by American bullets too, depending on what the 'political stability' of your government might be at any given time... the question is, are you safer closer to the beast or farther away? I say closer. The presence is there, the threats are real. There is nothing to be done about that at the moment except live in as safe a clime as you can, and fucking vote.

Rich old greedheads that want to control our country are the ones who make money from bullets and guns sales. If we outlaw gun ownership, the price of guns and bullets is going to go through the roof. MARK MY WORD. We will see more violence, and will not have done a damn thing except make rich old fucks richer, and given local governments another way to overcrowd our prisons and raise our taxes. And guess what? They WANT that. In order to continue what they are doing, those rich old fucks count on brainless little drug addled punks like YOU not to vote. They think you are harmless.

I'm less worried about getting shot than I am that some vicious nazi bastard is going to win the presidency because the youth of America decided it was easier to take another bong hit than it was to read a few paragraphs and go punch a few holes in a piece of paper.


Spazz


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[Godlike]

I like having the right to own a gun if i were to choose to do so. I like the right to be able to run for president if i could be bothered. i like the right to say what i like when i want and to who i want.

these are a few of the things i love.. oh and the cheap gas, the lower taxes, and the surplus of hot, intelligent grrls.. That last point is hardly relevant, but it's true and it's a small attempt to keep this thread from just being another 'my daddy can beat up your daddy' line of BS.

I've traveled to various states in the US, africa, canada, europe, india, china, mexico, and japan. about the only place i have not been is south(or central) america.

If you were to do so, you would realize pretty damn quickly that americans have it soft even if they think otherwise. The rumors of conspiricies and gov't plans to invade privacy are there. Hell, they are there in any country and even more prevalent in other countries. In England for example, they have Gatso's on the highways which take your picture if you are speeding. The first thing you know about it is you get a fat ticket in the mail. Fun, Fun, Fun. Not to mention what other uses they could use those rather accurate lenses for.

So, yeah, you might get shot or run over or killed in some other violent way, but with the benefits of free speach, low gas prices, lower taxes, and decent roads to drive on with no borders to cross or anything like that.. I think we have it pretty good here.

It's up to the people to make the country what they want it to be. If you become apathetic(like me), all that will happen is you leave it to the people who do want to watch what people do behind closed doors, and burn "dirty" books...


and no, i can't be bothered editing that to make it nice and pretty.



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It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the Beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[Zane]

AlexNumb,

(Oh yeah, I am not some weird right wing militia wakko... I am voting Nader... )

While I recognize the futility of voting in a system which effectively a single-party system, I'm voting for Nader too. Seems to me to be a more effective protest than not voting at all.

(BTW, Zane... Nice pic of you with the rifle in the post your picture thread... What is that you are holding?)

That's a mini-14 with folding stock, pistol grip, and large clip. I really had no interest in such weapons until early in Clinton's first year in office. When I heard that such things would soon be illegal to own I said "What the fuck?" and ran out and bought one.

Zane

[Trixie]

"eople shouldn't have the "right" to have a gun. I mean it should be a privilage. Like for people who are mentally stable.
Guns are stupid. I've had too many friends die by them. Fuck guns, fuck america, and fuck gangs. "

What the hell kind of statement is that? Y'know, just to bring up one of the millions of example of how much we should value where we live....
A few months ago, 30 asian people died coming to this country in a CONTAINER MADE FOR TRASH. THEY CAME IN A GARBAGE CAN, just to be able to taste freedom here....

Ugh.

Guns should be a privelege? Only for the mentally stable? Opinions like this really open up a dangerous can of worms. Are we going to run character checks? And decide which kind of person is *right* for gun ownership? Shift firearms into only a certain part of the population?

What we need are CONTROLS. Controls on the guns, the purchase of them, and so forth...

Don't get me started on guns and children, I am in school, studying Juvenile Defense law... a big thing I hear about guns is that we should give bigger penalties the criminals that abuse guns... since when is a 13 year old boy a criminal? He is a child. A CHILD.
(personal rant, sorry)

Trixie.



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[spazz-monkey]

I love America, warts and all. Even the un-intelligent girls rock my world! images/smilies/biggrin.gif


ooo ooo ooo ooo oooooo... ahhhhhh.
-Spazz

[Trixie]

Ya, if everyone had a gun, then no one would commit crimes, eh?

Wow, living in a constant state of fear would RULE!!!!

ugh.

And again, Children are Children, and should be treated as such.


Trixie

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[sik]

Have you ever been hit by a car? Perhaps a friend of yours maybe, or even a pet has had the misfortune of being run over? Please let us know, we want to help. You too can also help by actively destroying any vehicles you might come across in your day. Please help us end this madness.

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[Lefty]

I've wrecked a few cars before. Each time I was left finacially and emotionally devastated. Down with autos!


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Late at night I can hear your voices.
Talking shit about all my choices.
You would think that you've known me forever.
Just becuase you know my name.


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[bright]

i would like to point out that the majority of gun violence in the US is a result of the black-market trade in illegal drugs. if you are SERIOUS about decreasing the amount of violent crime in this country, then vote to legalize drugs (all drugs).

gun control will do nothing to stem this violence. in fact, it will create a new black market in gun-trading.

also, gun control is inherently based on the use of a gun, as all laws are. if i defy a law against owning a gun, i assume that i will be threatened with jail time and the possibility of being beaten or shot if i resist.

also, as an aside, supergirl, you should not underestimate the cleverness of your own government. i am certain that although they like to portray themselves as nice people who care about you, they engage in spin and disinformation in order to get wot they want from you. using the US as an example of a "violent country" is a great way to emotionally encourage you to accept gun control.

i would like to reiterate, though, that guns themselves are not the cause of violence. someone must pull the trigger. and a vast array of weapons and killing methods are available to us. people are the killers. we should examine the reasons why people are killing each other and fix those problems. one major reason is the black-market illegal drug trade. wot are some others?

- paul

[hailbob]

what i don't understand
is how people can be so
lackadaisical
about things like E and K and L, etc.

"its your own decision to take a substance," they say.

why be so casual about a chemical with so few positivies, yet so set against a machine with so many?

why the double standard?

i used to own a gun. my gun went away when i had a son. this is responsible gun ownership (i couldn't afford a lock or cabinet.)

i killed a deer with that gun. it tasted delicious, like the difference between a homemade meal and McDonald's.

i intend to show my son (a meat enthusiast)what eating meat is all about.

peaches do not come from a can,
they were not put there by a man
in a factory downtown...

i would hope that people wouldn't presume that because some gun owners are irresponsible, that i am irresponsible.

this would be like me presuming that all persons who enjoy to dance as much as i enjoy to dance are all just as high as some of the Etards i have met.

would it not be more prudent to change what is "cool?"
(change what is considered responsible behavior)

the NRA, Gloc, Winchester, et al
are not interested in changing
what is considered responsible behavior.

this would hurt profits.

does this mean we should outlaw the machine,
or the manufacturers' marketing methodology?

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[Zane]

Bright,

As usual you get to the heart of the issue. The 'war on drugs' is a miserable failure with so many bad side-effects one can only wonder why the pols persist in their lunacy. Or maybe it's painfully obvious.

Zane

[dj trainwreck]

I think that gun violence is not the problem, it is the symptom.

These issues reflect the american society that has been shaped by behavior that is encouraged by laws, media, decreased individual activity, drugs and low paying jobs that turn to crime among other things.

If you look at other countries, for example switzerland, which has the most heavily armed citizens compared to other countries, you will see gun voilence almost non-existant.

I am not aware as to the exact reasons, but I do believe that America needs to change in many ways. For example if we could legalize drugs that would decrease violence not only relating to selling and drug rings it would also decrease the crimes associated with addicts who use crime to raise drug money.

If we could change our criminal and prison system to rehabilitate offenders that would give them a chance to succeed instead of creating people who have no options because of felony records and lack of skills.

If we could enourage community activity we could express that it is not ok to hurt people and set basic principles.


I think one of the major problems with America is not the government, it is the inactivity of the individual. If we don't speak up and act then we are basicly saying something is acceptable.

I don't really care, I am making alot of money selling crack and pimping out my crackwhores to government officials.

[Godlike]

if yer old and strong enough to pull a trigger, you're old enough to kill someone and if yer old enough to kill someone, you are old enought o pay for your actions.


controls on the selling and manufacturing of guns is fine by me, but that isn't going to stop ignorance and stupidity.. then again.. the population is rising too quickly..

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It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the Beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[krush86]

ok, so I will admit I am pro "right to bear arms" its mainly because I am pro rights...

rights to do whatever I please

thats what the founding fathers intended and I want to continue that for the generations that will follow me.

so heres a twister for all you anti gun nuts... (pay attn supergirl)

"an armed siceoty is a polite siceoty"

how would the US be different if we were REQUIRED to own guns... do you think road rage would be an issue? how about fights on the street? do you think people would open doors for others?

how do you think gun education would look?

the problem we are having is the "regligous" sector of our country (IE all of it) has deemed guns evil, so they are forbidden, so they arent to to be talked about, much like drugs, so now we have a problem much like drugs

think about it assholes....

and watch for my booth at parties "gatsafe"


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If any of the above content bothers you, I feel sorry for your friends, children, and coworkers

[Trixie]

"Okay I change my sentance for yall.. dont fuck america fuck americanS."

Ugh.
Still.. what sense are you making?

How about "fuck (the most intelligent word) STUPID people"? What does being an American have to do with what that man did? I mean, that coul dhappen in many countries.... yet, you think it is because he's American?

This is our social conditioning, to not take pride in being an American. You ARE allowed to have pride in generations that immigrated here 100's of years, your "original" homeland.. but you can't be proud of being a damn American. We should be proud, and not being putting down true Americans by saying something like that... millions of people died for people you say to "fuck".

""To say that anyone is absolutely evil and should thus be permanently separated from society is the equivalent of saying that society is absolutely good, and no one in their right mind will believe that." "

I have a different version of that quote, from John Dewey, that I am using in one of my Sociology classes right now.... this the basis of my orientation in Criminal Justice... the idea that for true rehabilitation, one must never be seperated from society....

Anyways.

Trixie.




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[Godlike]

i don't want some of those people in my society.. 'specially the bastards who enjoy what they were doing..

then again, i think they should bring back public execution too, so what do i know?

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It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the Beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[Tech9]

Wanna talk pain? I wish I had been shot a couple of times instead of all the slow abuse I have thrown myself into over the last 6 years.

I broke both my wrists a year and a half ago. I couldn't hardly eat or fuck with two big muh'fuckin' blue casts on both arms. One had to get surgically fucked with. The doc cut my hip open, chiseled a bone out off the hip, ripped my wrist open, took out all the little bone remnants, and placed the hip bone in with a screw.

Not only did my hip feel like an elephant kicked me but my wrist had an ultra-painful feeling of metal on bone with abused muscle tissue bruised around it.

Next, I grinded the fucked up coping at burnside and suddenly stopped and my leg sunk into a piece of metal cutting the shin to the bone. Ouch! That fuckin' thing didn't stop bleeding. I had to go to the ER via meat wagon.

3 concussions in the mix. Lots and lots of skin lost on pavement trying to ollie stairs (sometimes I leave smears on the pavement! images/smilies/smile.gif )... and, today I slid (but more or less fell) 13 feet onto my hip on solid concrete at Newberg!

I love braggin' about this kinda shit! By the way, how did you and your friend get shot?

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[Tech9]

Fuck board meets, lets compare scars and drinks pabst!