Bringing Children To Parties

[BurliE Boy]

last weekend i saw something that pissed me off more than anything has done in a long time. i went to an outdoor party, and someone brought their 3or4 year old child with them. he was being carried around on the shoulders of some guy, who might i add, was chugging beer. every single fucking person that was watching or around the kid were obviously plastered and holding beer, vodka... lots of shit. they sat him infront of the speaker and left him there for what seemed to me forever. the kid was shivering in the cold and had no coat. HOW FUCKED UP IS THIS?! you have a child who's still developing, so yeah, let's put him infront of a speaker for a while! that'll make him deaf! DUH! i was seriously thinking of calling child welfare on his parent's asses.

i know that not every parent who brings a child to a party is irresponcible... some of my friends have done it. but at the same time, why the hell do it? i sure as hell would never bring my little kid to a place where drug and alcohol induced people run rampant, the sould levels could damage their hearing, and WAY past the normal hours a child should be awake. i really think that if parents can't take it upon theirselves to find a babysitter... don't go to the party. i also think that if you see someone treat their child like what i saw... say something! or better yet, have them removed from the party. it just disgusts me.

ok. i'm done. shit... i sound like hillary clinton or something like that. ah, oh well. i've made my point. DON"T BRING KIDS TO PARTIES! find a babysitter

[BBKahuna]

I completely agree, with your average party although I will say that I've been to a few afternoon parties in the park that had DJs spinning and parents were dancing with their 3-4 year olds, and having a blast, (and were an acceptable distance from the speakers) although this type of party is NOTHING like the one you were talking about which is the LAST place a toddler should be....

Later,
BBKahuna

[Elroy]

word... and also, 12 year olds without their parents shouldn't be at parties either. WTF is up with that? ;)

Yeah, my sister has a 2 and a half year old... and she would never think of bringing him to a party. It would just confuse the hell out of a child... they wouldn't have any clue what exactly was going on. Little kids don't know anything about drugs... and they have no way of detecting which people are sketchy.

I always get all of these horrible images of fucked up ravers getting all excited, and wanting to talk to or play with the kid. They would be like:

"OMG! Its a little kid... oh, he's so cute! C'mere!"

And it would totally freak the kid out. I dunno, prolly doesn't happen often... but imagine how scarey a large pupilled, smelly, ugly-ass candy raver would be to a little one. Jeez... I woulda cried!

[ 05-17-2001: Message edited by: Elroy ]

[djking]

ok. the thought of a little kid at a party kinda nice you know. it would be cute, and you know you would wanna come up and hold the child but still children at parties SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. cuz there could be shady people puts the child through too much risk, plus they didnt even have a choice.

[DJAugie]

I agree with Countess. As long as the the parents are being responsible (bring food, water, clothing, ect.) I think it might be ok. Not parties at places like Naf. Outdoor events are cool I think. I believe that there is a certian age that kids are ok to be at parties. If they are too old I think that the kid knows whats going on and it could be a bad situation. Its up to the parent to look at each indivual event and judge if it will be a safe place for their child. Parents that just take their kids to parties because the PARENT wants to go to all the parties is FUCKED UP!

[Whimsy]

I think daytime events are ok, but definitely not at night. Just recently infact, I saw a little kid that was about 3 or 4 at an event, but it was already around 12:30!! That is way too late for little kids to be out or even up!

[EvulSpeakerGurl]

well.. sundazed is a good event t bring your kids to.. and misty brang autumn to the phoenix festival, she kept her away from harms way there.. so i think it all depends on whare and when the event is being thrown.. and if someone is actually watching them.

*Danni

[supamisty]

brandon, where was this party at? i wonder if it is the same little toddler i see wandering at parties in pdx sometimes. makes me sad that people's parents can't invest in a babysitter.

[**tinkerbell**]

misty long time no see...
I have taken my kids to Sundazed but they will never go to a evening event or a party.

[kizat]

Misty,
I think brandon is talking about the toddler that was at community. About 45 miles west of portland up on some logging mountain. It was cold as fuck and raining.

I saw the little kid... but I didn't really pay much attention.

*shrug*

-Kat

[_countess bathory_]

I think it depends on the party / event.
i.e. Naf is not suitable (for anyone)
where as... say, burningman can be.
In fact, I think it depends more on the parents / child then even the setting. What you described had nothing to do with the party... Outdoor gatherings are usually cool to bring kids to...
Sounds like the parents could have used some better judgement as far as preparedness (no jacket? poor little munchkin!).
However, I don't think that simple exposure to (responsible) alcohol (ect.) use is so incredibally traumatic. I recall countless *family* events in which beer was consumed. I don't see anything wrong with moderation... in fact, I think that it creates a *good* example for children!
Or maybe I'm just fucked up?
.02
Cheers
-liz

[186k\sec]

maybe you could take a picture (w/time stamp showing how late it was) of the looser parents neglecting & mistreating the kid - & send it to: CHILD WELFARE DEPT.

& put it on the web!

[Pipedream]

Yeah brandon- i saw the little kid you were referrign to, a little girl if i remember correctly? Unfortuantely I've gotten so use to irresponsible parents in this scene that it almost doesn't affect me anymore. but you are right, i think kids have no business being in this kind of situation.

there is usually rampant drug use, alcohol abuse, and extreme sound levels- i think there is too many really bad things that could go wrong with this type of situation. i think the responsible thing to do in this situation is to get a baby sitter.

[kizat]

The kid that was at the oakenfold show has been at a SHIT load of parties here in portland. I remember I first saw him at 4th deminsion last summer and have seen him at all sorts of parties since then.

I dont know his real name.. but people refer to him as Little Man. He seems like a good kid.

-Kat

[islandzbaybeeqt]

EXACTLY. ive seen the same shiat tOoO.. maybe not this case.. but ive seen it. like 2 different people once i remember HELLA @ eclipse.. i was gonna pull that biatches hair and yell @ her.. like wtf are people thinking bringing kids into that inviroment w/ lound music and people who are on drugs. gosh.. i just look down on them & think what fukking pieces of shiat.

well thas all i have to say about that.
*shakes head*

[supamisty]

i was gonna pull that biatches hair and yell @ her.. like wtf are people thinking bringing kids into that inviroment w/ lound music and people who are on drugs. gosh.. i just look down on them & think what fukking pieces of shiat.

THANK YOU! *claps*

I am getting so upset over people who try and justify them bringing their little kids to parties.... "ohh, he had lots of people watching him" "she had earplugs in his ears" etc etc.... WHO THE FUCK CARES. Its a RAVE for christs sake! I don't think kids belong at them. PERIOD. Autumn has been to phoenix fest with me during the day (slept in her tent at night after 11 pm), and sundazed and mt tabor things. but that is all. DURING THE DAY. Not at a party at 2, 3, 4:00 in the morning with music so loud it makes MY ears ring for days, smoke so bad my nose gets black boogers for days, etards and frybabies trippin all over the place.
Its downright WRONG and these people need to be smacked and have their child taken away. get a fucking babysitter. I have missed many events I wanted to attend because I couldn't get a babysitter. But that is what comes with being a parent. SACFRIFICE!

[Kosmicdog]

Originally posted by Princess Kat:
<STRONG>The kid that was at the oakenfold show has been at a SHIT load of parties here in portland. I remember I first saw him at 4th deminsion last summer and have seen him at all sorts of parties since then.

I dont know his real name.. but people refer to him as Little Man. He seems like a good kid.

-Kat</STRONG>

That would be Tre Deuce Ronin's son. When that kid goes to a party he has at least 100 parents watching out for him. He's an awesome little breaker and has been to more parties than most of the kids on the board.

[RacergirlX]

There were a couple of really little kids at . . . oh, what was that party? Last winter, across the street from Grand Central, pepper spray or mace got set off in one room . . . ? Oh well, they had big old headphones on, and were running around like maniacs. I dunno, though, seems to me like it might be a bit overstimulating for young children.

[supastara]

At the Diesel Boy/Oakenfold gig in p-town, there was a small child BREAKIN' with the party-kids. It was cool to see, until you realized his parents had him out at 3 am, break dancing at a rave, out in the Jungle Tent (wasn't the warmest place), and they weren't exactly noticeably on the scene...

Countess is right; it's a matter of the circumstances, where, what's going on there, etc, and the parents' motivations, too: "Gee, Jr. loves dancing and this event is early, outdoor, etc; it'll be cool to get qual. time with my kid AND listen to cuts n' dance it up..." or "Gawd, I can't find a babysitter, but I REALLY wanna go to Naf. tonight. I'll just bring Jr., he'll like it, he can sleep all day tomorrow, and all my friends can help me watch him..."

[smurfingurl]

LOL! that's funny! i was just gonna say that the only little kids i've seen at a party were at the oakenfold show! there was a little kid on a guy's shoulder and they were walking through the crowd and i saw some younger kids runnin around periodically. kinda wierd..i just hope they wear earplugs if they come...shit man! I NEED to wear earplugs, ya know? hmm....everyone grows up differently...imagine the stories those kids will have when they are older

[KaMeN]

I just have to say that I enjoy seeing little kids at some of the outdoor parties. Parties at NAF, FX, and most indoor parties I can think of probably wouldn't be suitable. But an outdoor party, where the parents are watching the child (or some type of Guardian at least) and the child is dressed for the weather sound perfectly fine to me.

I know a few kids (all in the range of 2-7 or so) who go to outdoor parties with there parents quite often. It would depend on the outdoor party - But events like Phoenix Festival, Burningman, alot of the Goa/Psytrance events and whatnot tend to be alrighty for children.

The post that started this thread sounds like it had nothing to do with the party itself. It sounded like the parents were being irresponsable by putting their child in front of a speaker, or by consuming (what sounds to be) massive amounts of alcohol or other intoxicants. The parents are the ones to blaim in this case - not all parents who bring children to parties are like this, and not all parties have people so intoxicated.

I wasn't going to get into the time a child is up at night. I have no problem with a child who is up at 4am in the morning because most children nap throughout the day and night and the main reason they arn't running about your house at that time is because the parents need to sleep. One theory (I studied at school to work with children for 3 years) says that children can technically keep going 24 hours a day with naps every few hours. The reason the sleep the way they do is to have the most waking hours possible to learn. This can be found in other cultures where is natural to take naps (ciestas[sp]) and have more waking, productive hours because of it.

The child doesn't care if it's day or night, their sleep cycle doesn't revolve around the day structure of a basic business man. The sleep, they wake, they play, they sleep, they wake, they play - this happens more then once a day.

erm. I'm done now =)..

[s1n]

ya know, if raves were what many of us say they are (gatherings to enjoy great music and promote peace) there wouldnt be any problem with bringing kids to one. too bad they arent. peace.

[Betzle]

what about my 11 year old brother?

I personally think it depends on the individual kid and the individual party.

I wouldn't take my little brother to Naf, or a Paul Oakenfold show, but I have been considering taking him to a smaller event where I know the promoters.

I don't think shielding children from situations where there is potential for them to get "bad ideas" is always the best way to protect them. If they can see how a responsible adult handles a potentially unsavory situation, they can learn to handle the same situations on their own in the future.

much love
Betzle

[BurliE Boy]

i don't have a problem with children being taken to outdoor parties or small chill parties, but when i see the neglegance of a child like what i witnessed... i almost loose it. children can't fend for themselves. now if a responcible parent is in charge of the situation, no bitching from me. however, i do believe that introducing a child to too much of the real world too fast and too young is not a good thing. children should at least enjoy the bliss of ignorance for a while before they discover how fucked up this world is.

[kittiah]

Originally posted by Betzle:
<STRONG>what about my 11 year old brother?

I personally think it depends on the individual kid and the individual party.

I wouldn't take my little brother to Naf, or a Paul Oakenfold show, but I have been considering taking him to a smaller event where I know the promoters.

I don't think shielding children from situations where there is potential for them to get "bad ideas" is always the best way to protect them. If they can see how a responsible adult handles a potentially unsavory situation, they can learn to handle the same situations on their own in the future.

much love
Betzle</STRONG>


yes yes yes. for thousands of years people have been partying with their children. for thousands of years children have had the opportunity to see how to party correctly and how to party incorrectly. it's a matter of responsiblility on the parents part to use it as a learning tool, as well as a socializing tool (yes that's what i said...socializing)

in mexico where my father was raised children were (and still are) allowed to go to adult functions. it is there that children see what babossos (sp?) drunks are. growing up in la when i was a young one i still remember seeing drunks at parties and what consequences there were for them and those around them.

as i got older i saw what i did and did not want to act like. you will NEVER see me e-tard-ing out or laying on the floor passed out drunk at a show or party.

that's because of my schooling as a child.

take it for what it is.

kitty wu

[SonikBaby69]

I lub little man....
He's so cute... :D

[dj*ao*]

I can't even imagine a person taking their child into a party. That is completely outrageous. Reasons Why You May Ask???

Loud Music
Smoking
Alchohol
Not that the child would know it but,
Drugz
Careless Kidz on Drugz.....Etc......

And the list goes on. And yes. If you can afford to go to a party than you can afford a babysitter. And for those of you with children....
PLEASE DON'T TAKE DRUGZ!!!!!!!

[dj*ao*]

DON'T SHEILD THE CHILDREN FROM ANYTHING BUT ALSO DON'T OPEN UP PICTURE GALLERIES OF BAD THINGS AT TOO YOUNG OF AN AGE. IT COULD SET THE STAGE FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BABIES RIGHT????

[§illy¤girl]

lil kids at parties is just wrong,

I was at hempfest this summer and I know people of all ages attend it and I dont see anything wrong with that on the most part
BUT
I did see something there that was pretty fucked up.
This girl was holding her infant in her arms (6 months old Im guessing) while smoking a fat blunt.
It mad me mad. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Anarchosyn]

Ello, I just would like to go one file as a conscientious objector to the practice of locking out threads. Granted, it becomes confusing when multiple conversations with similar topics emerge, but often the tone and direction of one will sway into territory that the others haven't. If you choose to practice these activities, at least copy all the messages from the deactivated thread into the current one, as I have things I'd love to say in response to statements NOT made here. Personally, I have long held that ridged adherence to any form of social order leads more to animosity than firm guidance. On paper they sound the same, but one involves force and the other only suggestion. If the culture being moderated feels compelled to resist, it is probably for a reason that the moderator should try to consider. But look at me paraphrasing the Tao Te Ching, do I get a cool point for something like this?

[supamisty]

And the list goes on. And yes. If you can afford to go to a party than you can afford a babysitter. And for those of you with children....
PLEASE DON'T TAKE DRUGZ!!!!!!!

are you meaning, people with kids, dont EVER take drugs, or dont bring your kids to parties and take drugs? im very curious.

[littlestarfish]

I dont think that a rave is the right place for a kid....I remember when I was little I wanted to run around outside and color and stuff like that....I think a rave would have scared me. its (obviously) meant for an older crowd.

P E A C E

[Kosmicdog]

Originally posted by §illy¤girl

I did see something there that was pretty fucked up.
This girl was holding her infant in her arms (6 months old Im guessing) while smoking a fat blunt.
It mad me mad. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

You are raised in a culture where you think thats wrong.

[adreezy]

When I was at Oakenfold last year, there was this little kid just randomly running around. The question is who the fuck brought him there and who do they think they are. Jesus! That kid could be seriously fucked up now. Not only was he just running amok the druggies and petophiles, he was up really close to the speakers. Poor kid probably can't even hear now. Why was that kid out so late anyways? I'm sorry, but small children shouldn't be up at that hour. It was like 11:30! I wasn't even allowed to stay up that late until like 5th grade. lol Whoever brought that child there had some weak parenting skills and bad decisions. How can you look over your child properly if they're at a party? Even if you aren't fucked up on anything, it's easy to neglect their personal needs in that situation. So to all of those who bring their children to parties, a big FUCK YOU goes from my heart to yours.

Adrian

[oneandoneisone]

i think there's a line....it really depends on the responsiblity of the parents, the party and the vibe of the party... i went to an outdoor this summer and there was a couple of younger kids...but they had watchful parents who made sure to cover all the safety precautions... but i work with neglected children everyday and i know how ignorant parents can be so i'ts no suprise that ppl bring their kids and don't care for them properly... it's sad... especially when they realize the potential damage they're cuasing they're kids...there should definatly be a line between when and where to bring kids... i second a comment that's been made more than once...if you can afford to go to a party and get drunk you can most certianly afford a babysitter..

[supamisty]

i've said it before and i'll say it again

RAVES are NO place for small children. being a mother i am disgusted when i see cracked out rave whores bringing their little kid to a dirty, loud, smoke filled warehouse. and i wont get into it again because i've said it many many times before.

[Kosmicdog]

I knew this 18 year old girl when I was on Phish tour. She was nasty, dirty, strung out, etc. She had a 3 year old kid named Josh who (I'm totally not making this up) wore a pouch necklace with a glass pipe in it. He would walk up to you and and ask if you had any weed. I also saw this kid do bong hits, his mom lighting it for him. He also drank beer and whiskey. Pretty fucked up, huh? Well one day her and her boyfriend and some other dirty hippies were getting drunk at some campground. The cops showed up to bust up their little party, and picked up two of the guys on felony warrants. The little kid was drunk, and his mother was so incoherently drunk that the cops took the kid on the spot and she never got him back.

[supamisty]

jesus sondr, that is sad. :(

[adreezy]

Originally posted by Kosmicdog
I knew this 18 year old girl when I was on Phish tour. She was nasty, dirty, strung out, etc. She had a 3 year old kid named Josh who (I'm totally not making this up) wore a pouch necklace with a glass pipe in it. He would walk up to you and and ask if you had any weed. I also saw this kid do bong hits, his mom lighting it for him. He also drank beer and whiskey. Pretty fucked up, huh? Well one day her and her boyfriend and some other dirty hippies were getting drunk at some campground. The cops showed up to bust up their little party, and picked up two of the guys on felony warrants. The little kid was drunk, and his mother was so incoherently drunk that the cops took the kid on the spot and she never got him back.

That's fuckin terrible.... Another reason why people should have a liscence to reproduce.

[dj*ao*]

I say don't take drugs at all and definately not if your child was with you at a party. I think if you're doing so you should knock that shit off.
Do you remember the Whirl party in Portland w/ Oakenfold and Deiselboy? A young girl at this party took some e bombs and died leaving behind a 5 month old infant. Does that show any kind of responsibility at all?? And how unfair is it to that child? I think it is so sad. Your kids, if you have any, are more important than a night of euphoria! BOTTOM LINE!!!!!!!!!!

[bug_killa]

My friend and I took her 10 year old to a party once. It was Pajamarama 2. A small, good vibey, not that loud party. We only stayed for about an hour and stayed in the back playing with ballons and stuff. He had a blast!
In some instances I think its ok as long as the kid wants to be there and you dont let him get too close to the speakers.
Now if I ever saw a kid @ NAF or somewhere equally that dirty I would be hella pissed!

[bsweet]

A young girl at this party took some e bombs and died leaving behind a 5 month old infant. Does that show any kind of responsibility at all?? And how unfair is it to that child?

Not to be crass, but the fact that the mother of the infant was only a "young girl" shows that she didn't have much responsibility in the first place. :(

[groovinkim]

Originally posted by Anarchosyn
Ello, I just would like to go one file as a conscientious objector to the practice of locking out threads. Granted, it becomes confusing when multiple conversations with similar topics emerge, but often the tone and direction of one will sway into territory that the others haven't. If you choose to practice these activities, at least copy all the messages from the deactivated thread into the current one, as I have things I'd love to say in response to statements NOT made here. Personally, I have long held that ridged adherence to any form of social order leads more to animosity than firm guidance. On paper they sound the same, but one involves force and the other only suggestion. If the culture being moderated feels compelled to resist, it is probably for a reason that the moderator should try to consider. But look at me paraphrasing the Tao Te Ching, do I get a cool point for something like this?


they are locked not because the multiple conversations are confusing, but because the space & bandwidth for this site is donated and as of yet we have come nowhere near close to covering the costs incurred.

sometimes merging threads would be confusing which is why they are locked instead.. especially if, like you say, the conversations have diverged.. i personally don't lock many threads as i don't even have much time to read the board.. it's usually other moderators who do it.. if you want to make that suggestion to them feel free, the questions & comments forum is probably the best place for it...

[dj*ao*]

Not to be crass, but the fact that the mother of the infant was only a "young girl" shows that she didn't have much responsibility in the first place.



I'm sorry but your wrong. Young meaning about 20yrs and whether we ask for it or not, having a child calls for maturity and responsibility. If you can't handle it, than damn it, give the kid over to CSD. SEX TAKES RESPONSIBILITY THESE DAYS. AND IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO EXCEPT THAT, THAN DON'T DO IT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!

But don't take drugs and party like a madman unless you have the right to. Think of your kids first. What if you were the baby; mommy and daddy died at a rave on drugs. How sad is that??? I don't think it gets much worse! And the reason I feel so strongly about this is because I have seen this happen more than once. Be Safe, everyone...
PEACE IN GROOVIN'
Anthm-Opus

[Anarchosyn]

tis alright, I'm over it now (and wasn't ever particulary bothered). Thanx for the reply though.

[bsweet]

Originally posted by Dj anthm-opus
I'm sorry but your wrong.. . SEX TAKES RESPONSIBILITY THESE DAYS. AND IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO EXCEPT THAT, THAN DON'T DO IT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!

Dude, I think you misread my statement. I was stating exactly what you just said. How can I be wrong when I essentially am agreeing with you now??

*wanders off muttering about the plethora of free birth control available*

[dj*ao*]

My mistake hombre! Sorry... I thought you meant the exact opposite of what I now know what you meant. Hence the reason for the apology.

PEACE N GROOVIN'

**RE:walks away feeling humbled and yet happy that bsweet agrees w/ me. and also laughing @ the friendly reminder about the plethora of free birth control available**

hehehehehehe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shadey]

Originally posted by midnightmonica
I really enjoyed bringing my son to this all ages event and he loved his first party! It was awesome that every single generation was represented out on the dance floor. I saw a few other children as well, moms rock! Now we will be more prepared for the large scale out door events about to happen soon! I loved the chill atmosphere of the healing room, thank you loving freinds!
Thanks for the light bright, too!
Namaste,
Monica
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Heard bout this and had to jump your ass you stupid fucking bitch. What were you thinking introducuing your child into that kind of atmosphere...really what the fuck were you thinking?!?! you think a WAREHOUSE party is anywhere for a toddler?? As a child welfare worker, this behavior is an irresponsible act as a parent. I take children from neglectful and dumbass people like you ever single day.

A child does not need to be around that kind of blaring music at that time a night surrounded by people on drugs and pedi-files.


Ive been to a few events where i thought it was a good enviroment to bring a chold too, outdoor events and raver day at enchanted forrest.

Im sorry you think i'm jaded truly i am not. I believe in having an awesome time and love the vibe but when people are irresponsible it makes me mad.
And my opinion still stands.

Warehouse parties are NO place for a toddler.

[gingerballs]

Bringing a kid to any extremly loud event, where drug use is 100% a sure thing is wrong.


You can put anything you want on a flyer, but if its a rave it is still going to bring in people that I would not want around my kid.

There's molesters even in special rainbow raver land (well esp in raver land lol).

And if you don't know, you betta ask some body.

Forilla

-Rob

[SomeCh!cksmom]

I've brought my kids to some outdoor events, where the sound has a chance to bounce around a lil - and not inside my children's heads.

Please believe, I stay RIGHT beside them, and don't really give them an opporutunity to get real close to the action - or vice versa.

I would never bring my kids to an indoor event, although a mother I respect very much has brought her 2 little girls to FX @ 9 pm to see a family friend perform. I wouldn't do it, but that's just me.

This brings up an interesting idea. Maybe we should have a family-oriented picnic.....music turned down a lil for lil ears....an honest commitment to sobriety for the day? Thoughts?

[The Cheshire]

Now that you've all stood up on your holy that though pedastals, let's clear up some things.

First and foremost: All of you were invited by Gaia Tribe. If you know what and who Gaia Tribe is, it is a family. Monica and her son Jeromy are a part of that family.

The reason for this whole event was to bring the old skoolers and the new skoolers together. Yes, those bug eyed little babies that you call candy ravers are looking for something: be it acceptance, escape or just to have some fun.

There was an underlying theme to this event also: Teach them, educate them and love them. No we couldn't get to every kid in that room, but lives were touched and eyes were opened, that it is more than just a big party to get fucked up at. It is about finding yourself, and accepting others for who they choose to be, no judgements or put downs.

So far from reading all of the sinless people's post on this forum, you don't get it. That doesn't mean that there is not hope for you and that you won't continued to also be loved, even in your ignorance, but as of right now, reading your post shows how blind you really were to who really was watching out for that little boy and his momma. They were surrounded by their Portland Family.

I don't hear you cutting up Manoj or Mattie or Andrew or anyone else. They are this little boys family too. We all watched out for them. I wish to the Gods that I would of had parents like Monica. She sees the beauty in people. She has hope for the lost children and was there to help them and guide them. She wants to raise her son without prejudice and preconceived notions and with a pure heart. If you knew that woman and knew what she sacrifices everyday to give that little boy the best of everything, you'd retract everything you've posted and may even open your mind a little. Then we would see growth.

But instead.....

She is getting ripped apart so you can sit back and feel smug. Good for you. You really are awesome, aren't you. You know you are.

I am the most positive person you will ever meet, just ask me!:) But this kind of close minded, put people in the box mentality that is being displayed here makes me so disappointed in you all, with what you have, just to make each other feel right, that I felt compelled to hopefully open a couple of eyes. Judging by the postings and how you are boosting each other up to gang up on a single mom that loves her son more than life itself, maybe you should move up here to Longview. We have more redneck, closed-minded people in this town per square block than all of Portland combined. Come on up, you would be welcome.

They would tell you "Welcome home redneck, opinionated, close-minded brothers and sisters."

When you really don't have a clue what the heck it is your seeing, try to step out of the box, and here is a thought: Go talk to the mom and see what you could do to help out.

Wow, that would be uncomfortable for you wouldn't it. That is just what Monica was doing all night. Seeing what she could do to help out. Her baby BOY, was well cared for.

And if you are refering to the little girl that was out there.....you just bit the heart of Portland's hand that fed you. You figure that one out.

wow.
Cheshyre

[Drill]

I believe the thread starter was irritated at the irresponsibility that he saw taking place in that one instance of the child by the speaker. No, late-night parties are not for kids (in almost any case). It is irresponsible and not in their best interests to be out late around a bunch of drugged people, whether they're being supervised by their family or not. It's wreckless behavior and child endangerment. And if you had read the entire thread thoroughly, you would have seen that the other people on this board that have kids bring them sometimes, too. But they choose to bring their kids to more family-oriented, in the park type of events.
When somebody sets an improperly-clothed little CHILD in front of a very LOUD speaker at a very LATE time of the night, that is when heads should start to roll. Take offense or not, but people that bring their children, BABIES, to parties late at night and subject them to ridiculous amounts of noise, smoke, drugs, etc. deserve to have their babies taken away from them. And it's not being self-righteous...it's being responsible. The end.

[weasel girl]

First of all, I read this entire thread and I understand both sides of the argument, but I have to throw in my .2 as well.

I say an event is an event, is a party, is a rave. There will be people smoking pot no matter what you call the event, day or night. There will be people on acid, schrooms, e, or whatever.

I've been to outdoor parties that were louder than indoor parties, so just because it's outside, doesn't mean your ears are out of harm's way. I don't do this and I know I should, but EVERYONE should wear earplugs. Your hearing can be damaged at 3 or 30. Two of the three kids I saw on Saturday had ear plugs in. I don't know about the third b/c I never saw him up close.

A lot of people mentioned the children being up later. I don't see that as a big deal. If it's on a Saturday night and the kid isn't in school, what the hell does he/she have to do the next day? The kid can sleep all day while you do. The only problem the parent may have by keeping their child up really late is that they may get cranky, but hey, I get cranky too. Does that mean I should go to bed and not stay at the party all night? I'm sure most parents give their children a late nap before staying up late.

Granted a party is smokier than most places a child goes, but people smoke in their homes around their children, which isn't good for them either, but one night in a smokey environment isn't going to give your child emphazima.

Don't even get me started on drinking! 90% of you have attended family functions where half you family was fucking lit off their asses. Christmas, 4th of july, graduation parties, you get the idea.

There are also molestors everywhere you go. There might even be one living next door.

I think that as long as you are responsible and sober and your child isn't miserable, the taking the little tike out on the town everyone once in a while isn't a big deal. Toddlers are too young to understand the bad things they're around, but once they are old enough to understand, it is the parents responsibility to teach them right from wrong. It is the parents responsibility to explain why people do drugs and why that man looks like that.

Remember, you were once a little kid, you may have had wonderful parents and ended up being a fuck up anyway. You may have had horrible parents and turned out awesome, or maybe your family was just average and sometimes you like to get fucked up, it doesn't mean that it's your parents fault. You make your own decisions.

One more thing. Candy kids aren't the only ones that roll.

[Star_Dancer]

Whatever you GOD DAMNED DIRTY HIPPIES. You can preach about love and acceptance and family all you want, but someone should bounce your head off a cocnrete post untill you get it through your heads that children are not bloody fashion accessories. I know that you think you are more intuned with gaia or mother earth or whatever buzzword you come up with this week, but a child should not be in that type of environment. If you want to expose your child to that kind of thing, do it in your house.

Not that I care if your stupid sodding kids die or get kidnapped or anything. I just get annoyed by hippies thinking they are helping to raise their children to be open and caring and all that other insipid bullshit.

I hope your kids grow up to be goths who hate you.

[The Cheshire]

I once thought the very same way as most of the negative post on this thread. I didn't know any better. This is where you may be in your perceptions now. Remember it. You may see things differently some day. If that happens, look around you and see how others perceive you. As a matter of fact, do that now.

That is the nice thing about living in this country. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. You are not alone. So many will join with you, and agree with you...Hell, you could even start a march, with picket signs if it pissed you off enough.

Here is an idea for you in the future. This kind of practice will go on, whether you get it or not. If you are so upset by it, stay away from it.

That is your choice.

That woman had a choice too and she chose to bring her son. Whether you like it or not. It was her decision. He had his earplugs in. What you saw as a freezing child was a typical child that momma kept trying to keep the jacket on and he would take it off. Setting a child on a SPEAKER. My God. Ever bounce a baby on your knee? You abuser. That could really mess up that babies brain. See how ludicris that seems. Also, children that age also wake up early in the morning. What the hell does it matter to you if he is awake or not. Did you just get through reading Dr. Spock's book or what? That is my 60 year old mothers style of thinking. The child was in good hands all night, your opinion or not. Think what you want. But it will continue.
(stepping down off of soapbox....)

ps. Star Dancer, take your hate and grow up. You sound like a punk.

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by The Cheshire
I once thought the very same way as most of the negative post on this thread. I didn't know any better. This is where you may be in your perceptions now. Remember it. You may see things differently some day. If that happens, look around you and see how others perceive you. As a matter of fact, do that now.


I really hate it when such "enlightened and open people" start trying to tell me I'm wrong because I don't see things their way. And they justify it the same way that my parents tried to. "When you grow up you'll see things my way because I am just soooooo much more evovled than you"

Originally posted by The Cheshire

That is the nice thing about living in this country. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. You are not alone. So many will join with you, and agree with you...Hell, you could even start a march, with picket signs if it pissed you off enough.


I prefer to start cults

Originally posted by The Cheshire

That woman had a choice too and she chose to bring her son. Whether you like it or not. It was her decision.


Yes it was her decision and her right, just up untill something goes wrong. Then of course it's someone elses problem

Originally posted by The Cheshire

ps. Star Dancer, take your hate and grow up. You sound like a punk.

Take you new age enlightened hippie ideals and shove them.
Suck my toes

[The Cheshire]

You win.....feel good.

[Star_Dancer]

where's my cookie?

[Suckafoou]

I think that its the parents right to be responsible. But any parent would have alot of explaining to if an officer was to see a child up at a party where there possibly might be drugs and other bad things. The realism is not everyone at a party can be responsible.
Some of my friends are parents and have taken there kids to parties. Endless nights/fire was a good example. But they held a very mature attitude. They made sure they were safe and also comfortable and away from the party itself. Its a fact some of us are growing up and we are having familys and that is a beutifull thing. But We also have to understand that with growth comes wisdom and maturity.

Be Safe play it safe Cuz there is life after a Rave..:eek:

Ps Stardancer Its not that we are enlightned you will see that your just like you and me. So hold on to your defiance as long as you can. Cuz it will change just like your opinion.

[Headphones Dude]

If I were a parent, I'd feel safer taking my kid to a outdoor event, such as Hempfest or Sundazed, or any outdoor electronic event during the day time if at all possible. But once it gets dark, outdoor or in, I'd be on high alert. I can't really say if I would want my kids to witness drugs use, until they're at a age where they're old enough to make up their own minds if it's for them or not. But I don't think most kids should go to raves, simply because the environment isn't healthy for their lungs, or ears......

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by Headphones Dude
If I were a parent, I'd feel safer taking my kid to a outdoor event, such as Hempfest or Sundazed, or any outdoor electronic event during the day time if at all possible. But once it gets dark, outdoor or in, I'd be on high alert.

An outdoor party is different. You have a car or a tent that you can stick the little thing in to get away from all the weird ravers.

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by Suckafoou
I
Ps Stardancer Its not that we are enlightned you will see that your just like you and me. So hold on to your defiance as long as you can. Cuz it will change just like your opinion.

Yeah.. because when I "grow up" I'm going to become just like you. Having kids and that white picket fence is really the goal of everyone, we just don't know it yet. Yup. Everything in my life is going to miraculously change, my defiance, my opinion, my attitude and I'm going to become just like every one of you.

*rolls eyes*

[Kosmicdog]

All ages does NOT mean bring your three year old to the all night warehouse rave party. Retarded. I don't give a flying shit if there are cute little altars full of magical stones, tarot card readings, chakra alignments, and "healing spaces". Everyone is still fucked up on drugs and booze, it is dangerously loud, and to tell you the truth, I don't go out and party so I can hang out with preschoolers running around with glowsticks. It's not fucking cute. People fucked up on e do stupid shit, like drop pills that look like flintstones vitamins on the ground all the time. I know I have.

It's irresponsible and rude. No matter how hippified the event, it is still a rave, which is NOT FOR LITTLE FUCKING KIDS.


(cross posted from my livejournal, which I wrote yesterday when I woke up at three in the afternoon, so before any confusion starts, I never named names, and I wrote this BEFORE we-know-who posted their reply in the review)

;)

[Shadey]

Originally posted by Kosmicdog


(cross posted from my livejournal, which I wrote yesterday when I woke up at three in the afternoon, so before any confusion starts, I never named names, and I wrote this BEFORE we-know-who posted their reply in the review)

;)

LOL ya this is what fired me up.

[Shadey]

Originally posted by Drill
I believe the thread starter was irritated at the irresponsibility that he saw taking place in that one instance of the child by the speaker. No, late-night parties are not for kids (in almost any case). It is irresponsible and not in their best interests to be out late around a bunch of drugged people, whether they're being supervised by their family or not. It's wreckless behavior and child endangerment. And if you had read the entire thread thoroughly, you would have seen that the other people on this board that have kids bring them sometimes, too. But they choose to bring their kids to more family-oriented, in the park type of events.
When somebody sets an improperly-clothed little CHILD in front of a very LOUD speaker at a very LATE time of the night, that is when heads should start to roll. Take offense or not, but people that bring their children, BABIES, to parties late at night and subject them to ridiculous amounts of noise, smoke, drugs, etc. deserve to have their babies taken away from them. And it's not being self-righteous...it's being responsible. The end.

I couldnt have said it better myself that is EXACLY what i was saying.

oh ya drill...im a SHE not a HE
;)

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by Drill
I believe the thread starter was irritated

Originally posted by Shadey

oh ya drill...im a SHE not a HE
;)

Yes but the thread starter is someone named Burlie BOY

[Kosmicdog]

Originally posted by The Cheshire
I once thought the very same way as most of the negative post on this thread. I didn't know any better. This is where you may be in your perceptions now. Remember it. You may see things differently some day. If that happens, look around you and see how others perceive you. As a matter of fact, do that now.


you should take your own advice.

Now that you've all stood up on your holy that though pedastals, let's clear up some things.

its holier than thou. As in thou are not any more holy than the rest of us unenlightened simpletons.

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by Kosmicdog


its holier than thou. As in thou are not any more holy than the rest of us unenlightened simpletons.

preach it brutha!

[The Cheshire]

Call the spelling police. You guys really are bloodthirsty. Live it up:)

[Kosmicdog]

Even if you had the phrase right I still would have said the same thing. The only thing you spelled wrong that I quoted was pedestal, and I didn't even bring that up.

Instead of calling the spelling police we need to get you an emergency pickup from the WAAAAHmbulance.

And who are us guys?

[Star_Dancer]

yeah it wasn't a spelling mistake... it's more of the fact that, well, you got the entire thing wrong.

[Drill]

Originally posted by Star_Dancer

Yes but the thread starter is someone named Burlie BOY

Thanks.:)

[Shadey]

shit, my bad.

[mchll888]

Originally posted by SomeCh!cksMom

I would never bring my kids to an indoor event, although a mother I respect very much has brought her 2 little girls to FX @ 9 pm to see a family friend perform. I wouldn't do it, but that's just me.

This brings up an interesting idea. Maybe we should have a family-oriented picnic.....music turned down a lil for lil ears....an honest commitment to sobriety for the day? Thoughts?
*raises hand* That mother was me. My children were specifically invited to the club..... We got in before everyone else while set up was being done and we left about 20 minutes after everyone was brought in. Maybe 10 people were there.


My kids see more screwed up people walking down the street every day and have more of a chance of being molested at their daycare than they do at a club with me by their side for an hour.
Never would I take my kids to a warehouse party. I have taken them to an outdoor event.
I love how it's ok for parents to bbq and get drunk around their kids at home running wild with all of their drunk ass friends there but I'm a bitch and a bad parent cause my kids were out until 10:30 on a friday night with me by their side listening to loud music............

Edited to say: Kids do not need to be out late........ I'm talking 12 late. They really should be in bed at that point. I do not see anything wrong with exposing kids to music at a club under the right circumstances. I am not one to judge unless a child is put in harms way. For someone to say that a child needs to be taken away from their parents over a situation you read here though is plain out of line. Some of you are truely harsh.

[DrUnKnTiGeR]

wut age does kid fall under?

[The Cheshire]

Whatever. Feel Good. Come talk to me in person sometime. You can't miss me. I'm the hippy. LOL. Good luck.

[dayglowliquidgrrl]

I have to say that this is definitely a sensitive topic.....

My opinion, (like we need anymore right!), is that children are definitely vulnerable. They lack a sort of energetic protection that we have, and depend on their parents to fullfill that for them. Puting them in an enviroment late at night with many different negative and positive influences doesnt seem like the best idea to me. I agree that even the cleanest party with the best intentions is not the place for a child to be at at all hours of the night, simply because children should not be up that late! It is not normal or good for their little bodies. That is one of the main reasons I can find to not bring them.

A daytime event or an outdoor overnight festival where you are constantly watching your children, like you should be anyways, seems like the best option to expose them to the culture. Some things are best left for them to experience as they begin to get older. The rave culture is about openess, awareness, love, and also EXPERIMENTATION, where people feel free to experience those things. Young children, I believe, should'nt be exposed to that right away.

At rebirth last year there were a couple of kids there having fun, break dancing, and playing. My only issue was that this little boy was running around all these intoxicated people, no ear plugs, close to the speakers, all past 2 or 3 in the morning without a parent in sight. And they could've been close by but I didnt spot them. If your going to bring them, please stay sober and look out for them. And if we are a community, one where we're all family, then please don't hesitate to find the parent to talk to them or if you see a child being neglected, put a blanket around them and hang out until you can find the parent. Damn, even having to tell people that makes me sad:( :mad: Did anyone try to do that with the little girl?

Also, legally there could be an issue. And honestly, we dont need to attract any more negative attention to the scene than we have already. I don't know how positively it would reflect on us for cops to find little kids at events.

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by The Cheshire
Whatever. Feel Good. Come talk to me in person sometime. You can't miss me. I'm the hippy. LOL. Good luck.

oh like THAT narrows it down

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by dayglowliquidgrrl

At rebirth last year there were a couple of kids there having fun, break dancing, and playing. My only issue was that this little boy was running around all these intoxicated people, no ear plugs, close to the speakers, all past 2 or 3 in the morning without a parent in sight. And they could've been close by but I didnt spot them. If your going to bring them, please stay sober and look out for them.

We should institute Oregon Child Leash laws

[gingerballs]

Originally posted by mchll888

*raises hand* That mother was me.


Some how through my magic mind powers I knew it was you.

Michelle is a good mother, I do not doubt her judgment.

-Rob

[phytosapien]

just a few words....

tried to talk me into letting her give me head.

that's it.

[Kosmicdog]

*blink*

[gingerballs]

Originally posted by phytosapien
just a few words....

tried to talk me into letting her give me head.

that's it.


Who are you talking about?

-Rob

[phytosapien]

nevermind...

[gingerballs]

Originally posted by phytosapien
nevermind...

Ok, when you say something, then don't explain your post. I want to slap you out of your shoes.

-Rob

[partykids2003]

Personally...I would never take my boy to an indoor/warehouse event. A bit to dark, loud and smokey.
We have taken him to outdoor events where family/friends were spinnin. Granted...we didnt stay late...but its a fun little outing.
I never let my kid out of my sight, for his safety...and for eveyone elses as well:) I would definatly never let him run rampant...And if it was super loud...id keep him out of the direct path of the speakers.
People take the kids to outdoor parties/festivals all the time. As long as you have a place to go thats quiet so the kid can rest...And as long as you watch your child like a hawk..it shouldnt be a problem.
And as long as you have enough sense not to take bad drugs while you have a child to attend to. Thats not responsible at all.
Some of you have been mentioned drinking and people being fucked up and such....jesus...I see drunk crack addicts on this side of town on a daily basis. The world is no longer made of cotton candy clouds and jellybeans. There are fucked up people everywhere...and if I tried to shelter my kid from that...he would never leave the house.
And as far as it being too loud....have you ever been to chucky cheese?
Omsi? Discovery zone? Any crowded playground? Its a fuckin mad house at those places...I have left with a headache and ringing ears on several occcasions.
Dont stick the kiddies up next to the mackies:)

So bottom line...If you watch your child...and your child can act like a human...outdoor party might not be such a bad thing. But its also fun to get out for the night WITHOUT the kid. Keep it in mind *wink*
If you are an Idiot dope addict who is just taking your kid to a party for your own selfish reasons..ie...couldnt find a babysitter...want other people to help me watch my kid...I just wanna party...yadda yadda..Dont even bother. In fact...dont breed.
Peace

[SomeCh!cksmom]

Originally posted by mchll888

*raises hand* That mother was me. My children were specifically invited to the club..... We got in before everyone else while set up was being done and we left about 20 minutes after everyone was brought in. Maybe 10 people were there.

I hope you know I meant no disrespect. You are one mom I KNOW makes the best decisions for her family. =)


I love how it's ok for parents to bbq and get drunk around their kids at home running wild with all of their drunk ass friends there but I'm a bitch and a bad parent cause my kids were out until 10:30 on a friday night with me by their side listening to loud music............


I've not thought of this before. My ex-husband constantly hosts BBQs where my kids are exposed to alcohol, under the guise of family and friends around. Why did I think this was better than what your girls saw at FX?

Uh Oh. New opinion being formed.

[mchll888]

Originally posted by SomeCh!cksMom


I hope you know I meant no disrespect. You are one mom I KNOW makes the best decisions for her family. =)


I've not thought of this before. My ex-husband constantly hosts BBQs where my kids are exposed to alcohol, under the guise of family and friends around. Why did I think this was better than what your girls saw at FX?

Uh Oh. New opinion being formed.
I know you never mean disrespect to me baby!! Nothing but love for the mommies.......... Especially ones with the compasion for tootsie rolls that you and I share.
Yes, I see kids at bbq's all the time with adults cussing and slapping each other on the asses, telling dirty jokes while joe blow friend from down the street who could very well be a child molester is playing "dolls" with your kids..........
Not likely to happen but very possible. In any case parents just need to be responsible and all should be good.

[gingerballs]

I can see Michelle Bruce Lee Kicking some molester in the nuts.

Like I can really see it in my mind, and let me tell you.

Its funny stuff.

Forilla.

-Rob

[~full*bloom~]

YES BRINGING YOUR KIDS TO FX MAKES YOU A BAD MOM!

[SomeCh!cksmom]

Is there an ignore function on this board?

You are an idiot, Full Bloom. An idiot.

There. I said it.

I usually don't run around calling other people's children idiots, because I wouldn't want the same done to mine.

But you, child, are an idiot.

You act like you need some touch therapy or something.

I know you post like you do to get us drugged up ravers riled up.

Well now you've done it to a sober person.

Please introduce yourself to me IRL. I would like to tell you these thoughts in to your face.

Michelle, join me?

Then we can throw Tootsie Rolls. They kinda hurt at high speeds.

[mchll888]

Yes, I'll join you. Let's show him what his parents should have. A swift kick to the ass.

[~full*bloom~]

I don't care if you are sober.... YOU SHOULDN'T BRING YOUR CHILDREN TO RAVES. You are one ignorant woman, you parenting skills are what keeps generations from making better lives for themselves. I feel bad for your kids. RAVES ARE NO PLACE FOR YOUR BABIES. You will most likely burn in hell, and I am glad. YOU MAKE BAD DESICIONS!

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by ~full*bloom~
You will most likely burn in hell, and I am glad. YOU MAKE BAD DESICIONS!

And you wonder why everyone thinks you are a hardcore bible thumper

[~full*bloom~]

People on this board can think whatever they want to.... I don't really give a shit. What I care about is that people are bringing their children to a place that is rampat with drug use. Why the FUCK would you bring your kids to raves?? There is no excuse ! Think about what you are doing? That is terrible, and it really hurts my heart. I have a daughter, I would never, ever, in a million years do something that FUCKING STUPID. I hope your kids grow to realise that you made bad desicions, and they don't have to. I am not a hardcore christian, but I believe in God. I pray for your kids. YOU MAKE ME SAD.

[mchll888]

Originally posted by ~full*bloom~
People on this board can think whatever they want to.... I don't really give a shit. What I care about is that people are bringing their children to a place that is rampat with drug use. Why the FUCK would you bring your kids to raves?? There is no excuse ! Think about what you are doing? That is terrible, and it really hurts my heart. I have a daughter, I would never, ever, in a million years do something that FUCKING STUPID. I hope your kids grow to realise that you made bad desicions, and they don't have to. I am not a hardcore christian, but I believe in God. I pray for your kids. YOU MAKE ME SAD.
You make me even sadder. I honestly just shed a tear for your child.

[~full*bloom~]

Ya, tell that to the kids who's ear drums are being blown out of their heads, and being exposed to the stupid people high on crack. You are stupid.

[mchll888]

Originally posted by ~full*bloom~
Ya, tell that to the kids who's ear drums are being blown out of their heads, and being exposed to the stupid people high on crack. You are stupid.
Ear plugs, my friend. Oh, and did you not read that we were there before everyone? I guess not............
Exposing your children to close mindedness will hold them back even further than experiencing your children to wonderful music, family and friends. Any child psychologist would tear your theories to shreds. Councelors included.
I don't believe in god therefore I don't believe in hell.

edited to say: My children do believe in god though. Due to the fact that I'm an open minded GOOD parent I made sure they attended a christian daycare/preschool to educate them and they also learn about many other religions so that they can make their own choices when the time comes.

neener neener............... *sticks tongue out at you*

[~full*bloom~]

alright..... moron. Do you realise that you are trying to tell people that it is appropriate to take children to raves? You need to really take a deep look inside. YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.

[kangaroo]

Originally posted by ~full*bloom~
alright..... moron. Do you realise that you are trying to tell people that it is appropriate to take children to raves? You need to really take a deep look inside. YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.

way to go use that fallacy of repeated assertion!

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by ~full*bloom~
alright..... moron. Do you realise that you are trying to tell people that it is appropriate to take children to raves? You need to really take a deep look inside. YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.

and your overwhelming evidence is?

[mchll888]

Originally posted by ~full*bloom~
alright..... moron. Do you realise that you are trying to tell people that it is appropriate to take children to raves? You need to really take a deep look inside. YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.
Where did I say that? Could you please point it out to me? Please?
I stated that I took my kids to a club before doors were open to see a great friend of mine play and then when they opened the doors stayed for about 15 minutes and left. Wow, you are truely brilliant. Simply amazing. Do you realize that you are not god and you are not here to judge? I'm sure the almighty is up there right now saying, "I do not know this guy." and pointing and laughing. You're not part of his cool crowd no matter how hard you try. You are still just that little geek looking for acceptance from him but going about it the wrong way.

[~full*bloom~]

" Blah, blah, blah," says the bad mother.

[gingerballs]

Originally posted by ~full*bloom~
" Blah, blah, blah," says the bad mother.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfu7.jpg



MY GOD, I have such a long temper, but you are pushing it.

Michelle is a great mother.

I trust her with my life.



-Rob

[mchll888]

Originally posted by ~full*bloom~
" Blah, blah, blah," says the bad mother.
The perfect answer from someone that has no answer and no valid points. I have won this battle. Until later, my dear friend and may peace be with you ;).

[kangaroo]

Originally posted by Zero5


http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfu7.jpg



MY GOD, I have such a long temper, but you are pushing it.

Michelle is a great mother.

I trust her with my life.



-Rob

i don't even know michelle, but based on past conversations about her children and parenting philosophies, so would i. so i'd like to warn everyone challenging her parenting skills to back the fuck off.

[smurfingurl]

Originally posted by Zero5


http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfu7.jpg



MY GOD, I have such a long temper, but you are pushing it.

Michelle is a great mother.

I trust her with my life.



-Rob

that pic is RAD... and i'm sure michelle is, too...omg, that picture RAWKS!! even though i don't have kids, i plan to someday and as long as they are looked after i really don't see the big deal in bringing them to day time events. dancing in the park with your kids??? that would rule!

[AliciaisAlwaysPimpin]

you know what?

you are ALL fucking stupid for even falling into this guys trap. cant you see you are giving him EXACTLY the reaction he wants?

fucking morons! IGNORE HIM and he will go away!

[~full*bloom~]

I am a girl, you dipshit.

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by ~full*bloom~
I am a girl, you dipshit.

Oh of course we believe you. Because never in the history of the internet has a 69 year old man portrayed himself as a young girl on an internet message bored solelly to piss people off because even when young girls at parties get fucked up on E they won't touch his stunted penis.

Feel the wrath of my long run-on sentances

[~full*bloom~]

Your posts are a joke.

[sothis]

you are ALL fucking stupid for even falling into this guys trap. cant you see you are giving him EXACTLY the reaction he wants?

fucking morons! IGNORE HIM and he will go away!

after seeing many posts by this individual, and seeing the reactions, i kind of wonder the same thing. then again, the word "troll" wouldn't be in use if people didn't react to them and give them exactly what they want.

on that note, i don't see the point in going to a forum where you hate the people and the topic, just to post. talk about a waste of time.

[Star_Dancer]

It puts the lotion upon it's skin or else it gets the hose again

[gonzo]

no kidz at partyz.........!!!!!!! bad idea...sound, strangers,intoxication,
private events, few have planed for day care ex----Oracle seattle,
they know whats up....................they are the only responsible group
capable.........with parents who care.........peace gonzo....

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by Star_Dancer

Oh of course we believe you.

Actully, she is a girl.

[weasel girl]

Originally posted by gonzo
no kidz at partyz.........!!!!!!! bad idea...sound, strangers,intoxication,
private events, few have planed for day care ex----Oracle seattle,
they know whats up....................they are the only responsible group
capable.........with parents who care.........peace gonzo....

who the fuck is this asshole?

[SomeCh!cksmom]

Originally posted by mchll888

Where did I say that? Could you please point it out to me? Please?
I stated that I took my kids to a club before doors were open to see a great friend of mine play and then when they opened the doors stayed for about 15 minutes and left. Wow, you are truely brilliant. Simply amazing. Do you realize that you are not god and you are not here to judge? I'm sure the almighty is up there right now saying, "I do not know this guy." and pointing and laughing. You're not part of his cool crowd no matter how hard you try. You are still just that little geek looking for acceptance from him but going about it the wrong way.

Ah, Michelle. So well put. This thread is testing my anger management classes taken so long ago.

Full Bloom, I don't know you, or how old you are, but I would bet you are pretty damn young, and still living at home with your parents - MAYBE even couch surfing. Isn't that what punks do, or something?

You are talking to 2 women - 2 single women with kids - who break thier back every day to provide for thier children, to undo the damage thier ex husbands do on the weekends, to turn them into functioning, open-minded and loving adults. From what basis do your opinions come?

Perspective, in this case, could only be gained from experience or being open-minded enough to embrace a reality different from yours. I am pretty sure you fall under neither category.

You don't know what it's like to live the life Michelle and I do. We aren't martyrs, but we love our kids and we have enough stress worrying if we are doing the right things by them.

And then, you want to bring God into all your crazy arguments. People like you give REAL Christians bad names. Michelle, myself, and our familes are living proof of God's grace, love, and acceptance - don't even TRY to tell us what's good/evil in His eyes.

*edited to say*
We are not stupid. We know the rave is not the place for children, and we don't take our kids to raves. Nobody is saying that. Michelle took her kids to FX (which, I bet I can find you arguing in another thread "FX is not the rave), so don't speak out of both sides of your mouth. We know our children's limits, and we know what puts them in danger. You think we are going to spend how many years wishing for these precious babies, then hours pushing them out, then thousands of dollars raising them - only to ruin thier hearing voluntarily or turn them into drug addicts?

We obviously are only doing what your parents failed to do - giving our children an open mind and appreciation for a community that is often misunderstood.

Oh man. I need to shut up. Had to be said. This is one thing I feel too strongly about - all the other times, I just want to bitch. *sigh*

Now back off. You are messin with mamas now.

-J

[~full*bloom~]

Someone who proves my point in being a product of his environment, and an avid raver.

[Tekno_Kid]

Originally posted by SomeCh!cksMom


Ah, Michelle. So well put. This thread is testing my anger management classes taken so long ago.

Full Bloom, I don't know you, or how old you are, but I would bet you are pretty damn young, and still living at home with your parents - MAYBE even couch surfing. Isn't that what punks do, or something?

You are talking to 2 women - 2 single women with kids - who break thier back every day to provide for thier children, to undo the damage thier ex husbands do on the weekends, to turn them into functioning, open-minded and loving adults. From what basis do your opinions come?

Perspective, in this case, could only be gained from experience or being open-minded enough to embrace a reality different from yours. I am pretty sure you fall under neither category.

You don't know what it's like to live the life Michelle and I do. We aren't martyrs, but we love our kids and we have enough stress worrying if we are doing the right things by them.

And then, you want to bring God into all your crazy arguments. People like you give REAL Christians bad names. Michelle, myself, and our familes are living proof of God's grace, love, and acceptance - don't even TRY to tell us what's good/evil in His eyes.

*edited to say*
We are not stupid. We know the rave is not the place for children, and we don't take our kids to raves. Nobody is saying that. Michelle took her kids to FX (which, I bet I can find you arguing in another thread "FX is not the rave), so don't speak out of both sides of your mouth. We know our children's limits, and we know what puts them in danger. You think we are going to spend how many years wishing for these precious babies, then hours pushing them out, then thousands of dollars raising them - only to ruin thier hearing voluntarily or turn them into drug addicts?

We obviously are only doing what your parents failed to do - giving our children an open mind and appreciation for a community that is often misunderstood.

Oh man. I need to shut up. Had to be said. This is one thing I feel too strongly about - all the other times, I just want to bitch. *sigh*

Now back off. You are messin with mamas now.

-J



Well said Jess... damn...

[~full*bloom~]

FX is a dirty venue, probably a good place for babies. God why don't you just sleep with her, let us all of the hook. Kissing ass is really unattractive.

[mchll888]

Originally posted by ~full*bloom~
Someone who proves my point in being a product of his environment, and an avid raver. Once again you make no valid point. You don't make much sense either.
You are really trying to ruffle feathers but I just think that you have nothing better to do. I wonder if you really even believe the things that you type or do you just spew random phrases to get a reaction? It's ok by me. In my opinion there is no fire here to fuel because you have no base for anything that you are stating. You are making uneducated assumptions and in turn looking like a fool.

[EviLKat]

Um, when's the last time you were at FX? It's really cleaned up now. I wouldn't say the venue itself is unsafe for children and it's not like Michelle let her kids stay for the whole party. She said when the people started coming in, she left. No big deal.

[SomeCh!cksmom]

But it tastes so good...

Speshly Michelle's

:)


I'm done with you.

[mchll888]

Let's all put this into perspective.
This is a gal that is looking to cause a stir. I don't need to defend myself and neither do any of you. We know that there are obviously deep seeded issues that none of us are aware of that she is dealing with. I feel sorry for her, not angry with her. I'm sorry she feels the way she does and wants to take that hatred out on strangers via the internet.
Reminds me of BK only BK was funny. This is just pitiful.

[mchll888]

Originally posted by SomeCh!cksMom


I'm done with you.
Werd to the Bird. Happy Friday.

[EviLKat]

Originally posted by mchll888

Reminds me of BK only BK was funny. This is just pitiful.
<3 BK... :(

[SomeCh!cksmom]

Originally posted by mchll888

Werd to the Bird. Happy Friday.


I know you don't smoke weed....(Hah)

But it's Friday...

You ain't got no job (I wish)

You ain't got shit to do (Hah!)

And Imma getchu high....



Flame that, full bloom.

[mchll888]

^^^^^^^^^

I'm sure I will see you tonight baby doll. I'll enter with the tootsie rolls ;)

[~full*bloom~]

quitter. I forget, oh yah, good mothers go to raves. See ya tonight! Joy!

[SomeCh!cksmom]

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

I could do this all day.

Just making sure I get my money's worth at Comcast.

You were pissing me off. Yes, you did win for a moment.

Then I bitched and I felt better.

I am now back to thinking you are an idiot.

Please, I would love to see you tonight. Unfortunately, you will probably hide in the sea of ravers who talk shit behind thier computers and avoid RL confrontations. It would be mighty adult of you to come up and introduce yourself.


Man up.

[AliciaisAlwaysPimpin]

i wish you people would just ignore it...your ruining the thread!

[StarLight]

Why are we even talking about the subject? It's been argued before, and the whole thread turns into this emotional drama package. Let's just agree to disagree...just my two cents.

Peace

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by AliciaisAlwaysPimpin
i wish you people would just ignore it...your ruining the thread!

Yes because this thread was destined for greatness. I ruined this thread a long time ago.

[gingerballs]

Originally posted by Star_Dancer


Yes because this thread was destined for greatness. I ruined this thread a long time ago.


HA!

[texas chainsaw mascara]

Originally posted by Zero5


Forilla




oh. no. you. DIDN'T!!!



*cockslaps you*

[gingerballs]

Originally posted by dajah



oh. no. you. DIDN'T!!!



*cockslaps you*




Ha yes I did.

I stole that word bitch.

*donkey punches you*

FORILLA

-Rob

[Shadey]

Originally posted by weasel girl


who the fuck is this asshole?

that asshole's a good friend of mine.

who are you bitch?