Why i attend dancing events..

[tiGleT]

There's no more real raves i can think of...it's pretty commercial..that's why i said dancing events.
Something such as last night at freak nation was EXACTLY why i'm at a loss for words..yep. Ol' boy tiglet cant say anymore.
But it was atrocius to say tha least. Misguided and I went for personal reasons, still being against naf and all...the venue is good. the promoters aren't.
But i digress...after last night i can't really say why i go< I STARTED out with tha same reasons most do...music n friends>. I don't associate myself with the crowd that was there..i am NOT a "raver". I am an audiophile. I love music and sounds. I like all kinds of both.
I'm sorry i can't really answer Kacey's question more than that..but i will say..Where are the oldskooler's like myself and Misguided on a nite like this? Have they lost tha majik from that first time? Or do they go to these gatherings and help newbies out?
Oh yeah, one last thing...to tha person that emailed me about being "self-righteous"...i may be...but I still have self-worth and principle and i don't trade it in for a forgettable nite of mindless wandering around stoned...
I went for tha music..now i'm alone...

[bsweet]

Tiglet you are not alone. The ol'skoolers don't go to NAF anymore. IMO NAF is not a good venue at all. The acoustics are terrible...the back main room has no ventilation; which can cause overheating and worse unhealthy conditions for the people who are stuck back there. But anyways, after going to the Domination party the other night I have decided I do not want to attend any more mainstream "rave" events. I just can't hang out with a bunch of 15-18 year olds all high on chemicals which they have no inkling as to what those chemicals are actually doing to their brains. Its so hard because I love dancing sooooo much. It gives me such joy to groove as hard as I can to awesome beatz.
Lately I have been finding more satisfaction with going to the clubs. There is consistantly good music which keeps my hiney moving (can't say that all the time about the raves I have gone to lately.) The only bad thing is that clubs always close early so you can't really groove all night like you can at a rave. I just enjoy being around people my own age....the energy is different. A lot more variety of people too than just a bunch of "candy" wearing teenagers.
So to answer your question Tiglet...the ol'skoolers are now old enough to go to clubs and have discovered that they are way more fun than the "pseudo-raves" which are occuring nowadays.

[thagoodvibetribe]

shoulda, woulda, coulda gone to earthdance. i was losing my faith, my religion of not just dance, but in some ways, rave......joining hands and dancing and collapsing into a collective hug and dancing under the stars and drumming and eating a collective dinner, chilling in a converted barn/ambient space with yummy smells, massage tables, barefootedness and backrubs, carpet, snuggle toys, pillows and blankets, meeting fire dancers and dancing with sparklers, swimming before sunrise (actually, it was more wading), watching the sunset from a rustic bridge, with beautiful beats and the sound of laughter dancing in your direction, air mattresses and tents and fat pants and offerings to the gods and glow in the dark toys...everything was present...present to enjoy, share, give and reiceive...i found an increasingly intamite vibe at earthdance, a true sense of community and not scenley hood....and i will definitely be talking about earthdance for a while!!!!!! although i took only the substances of life-water food, dance and friendship, i SWEAR TO GOD I WITNESSED A UFO...it was definitely unidentified....completely sober....i have witnessess, damnit......but just to partake it the energy launching point that was earthdance....ahhhhh!

[livluv23]

hey bsweet, I was just wondering if you think all candy ravers are "psuedo-ravers" and if you do-why are you judging someone by the way they are choosing to express themselves. I am not trying to offend your statement, there are TONS of fake ravers out there, but all of them don't dress candy or even take E. I don't think it is fair to come to that conclusion if you don't know someone and you judge them by their appearance or their group of friends. That would be like saying ALL blacks are in a gang or something stupid like that. I wouldn't consider myself "oldschool" since i haven't been around very long (about a year,though I don't use time as a measure of experience) but I wouldn't consider myself part of the crowd that does just attend a party to get as high as possible and dress like everyone else and not give a shit about their purpose. I like to use drugs at parties (not always, but in MODERATIION and with a point to it,even if that point is to simply have an even better time) and I usually wear my share of candy necklaces and all. However I don't dress to be like everyone, I dress to express myself and if that happens to reflect something similar in someone else it is i guess it is because I like it enough. I do however, go to parties for personal gain as well as help others. And really I think a lot of people are misjudged when they do the same thing.
You are totally right that plenty of kids haven't a clue what this scene was founded upon, but you know, eventually they will either figure it out like you have, or they will fade out. To me, the most fun about a party IS dressing up (since 6 days a week I have two jobs that are semi-conservative) and it IS going out and forgeting about the stresses of everyday life and concentrating on having a good time. I mean, isn't it a PARTY? A lot of people back down from their morals and their manners as they walk through the door, which sometimes can be a problem, but it is also what makes parties so great-you can just be the person you really want to be!! I think it is so hard to be that person in everyday life, it isn't "allowed" or something. Now I do agree that a lot of people fake it, but not everyone.
~peace and livluv

[bsweet]

I never said that candy ravers were "pseudo-ravers". I was simply making a statement that I really don't care to be around a bunch of fucked up, high school kids anymore. I made the pseudo-rave comment simply because I don't think that mainstream parties can be defined as "raves" as they used to be in the "old days." There is no real sense of community or family at all. Maybe I'm too nostalgic but I long for the days when you would dance with anybody and everybody. Now it seems like everyone is in their own little worlds when they dance...they don't try to connect with the people around them. When you do make that connection with random people grooving its such an amazing experience.
Livluv, I totally agree that dressing up is part of the fun!! I am not judging anyone by their appearance...people can do whatever they want. As for the candy; I like real jewelry better. Lasts longer...looks prettier. And why do you have to block being the person you are when you are not at a party? That seems strange to me because I am who I am inside and outside of parties.
Wish I had gone to Earthdance....I'm sure it was an amazing, beautiful event...

[phoenix]

i wonder why i hear so many ppl complain about how the vibe is not there or its not real or its not old skool but then say: ao i'm bailing on the scene. Not that changing your preferred location to dance is bad, but if you prefer to party w/a large group, dance all night then why not do what you can to improve the vibe and perhaps even take some time to talk to and get to know those 'high school kids'. Maybe you'll learn something from them. Maybe they'll learn something from you. Maybe you can share some of your knowledge to keep that vibe alive instead of abandoning it when it needs you and ppl like you (w/ experience and heart) most.
Just my opinion.

[orchid]

Real raves...I feel what you're saying...I have bouts of disillusionment when I think of the way it "used" to be. Something that hurts is the way our community has become mainstream, but like any hurt, it can be healed. I too don't go out as much. Not enough good music, not enough good vibe, not a good venue, shaky politics of promoters etc. And clubs have drunks...What I am learning is a new level of comittment to the music. It's time for the "old-skool" to become the educators. Understand it's our turn to become the people we so looked up to. Our turn to make the music, spread the love...quietly. I try to demonstrate through vibe, through quiet participation, weaving my own magic through the night. Yes these kids are young. No, a lot don't seem to "get it" but there is that core group that will grow up and make sure that magic continues. Everyone needs roll-models. If it weren't for DJ's, musicians and dancers my life would not be what it is today. Wear your humility and love as your "gear." There are still those few parties that rekindle the faith, keep the love alive.

Thank you for your post tiGleT.

[SuperGirl]

Phoenix, your reply is an excellent one... I was a brand shiny squeaky new raver this summer, and I went to my first real rave expecting it to be like the self-absorbed, self-congratulatory and meat-market-y bar scene, only outside...

Instead, the more experienced ravers made me feel so welcome, and so valued! Anyone* on the receiving end of that kind of love, respect, and generosity cannot help but respond in kind... a sort of perpetual-motion biofeedback machine of PLUR.

*Unless they're a complete weenie, and I cannot believe that there are THAT many complete weenies out there... but there ARE a lot of people who don't feel valued or loved, and so they shut themselves away from everyone by acting like idiots.

With respect, love, and thanks for the people who nurtured me, and the people who nutured THEM, and so on.. and so on...

--SG-->

[groovinkim]

there's such an unhealthy cycle going on...
experienced dancers don't want to go to massives because they know that there are vibey underground shindigs to attend...

but since they don't attend massives, that leaves less and less people to help newfolk
understand what the vibe and culture is about...

one of the things that amazed me so much
about the first event i attended is that
people took the time to tell me about
the music, about how to be safer with chems,
about their experiences, etc... i never
felt like anyone looked down on me for being new or not knowing "what's up"...

yet now i see and hear a lot of people
complaining about new people and "candy ravers"... and they definitely don't
want to take the time to talk to them..
and many of them make fun of them...

i can understand where they are coming from.. it's really frustrating sometimes to talk to someone who only wants to talk about what drugs they are on or how furry their pants are... but if we don't reach those people somehow, no one will, and things will just get worse and worse..

there's no easy solution, and i definitely
understand why older dancers might prefer
clubs.. they're a lot cheaper, the soundsystems are almost always good, there's not much of a chance of them getting busted, people are closer to your age, the same great dj's play there, etc...

but there is a spirit and excitement and
atmosphere at even the worst rave that
club rarely have... at least in my experience.

i wish that people who complained about newcomers not understanding would do something to help them....

not that you guys don't! i know some
of you personally and know that you do..

but i do hear a lot of people complaining about it, yet they don't seem to be
actively doing anything about it.. so in that way, they are part of the problem themselves..

[groovinkim]

hey tiglet.. speaking of ravers that never
go out anymore :P how come you haven't
been at psiek? http://www.hyperreal.org/~gruvnkim/ubb/biggrin.gif

[DJ Rawkus]

heh..this HAS to be supergirl's nicest thread to date. also, where is orchid hiding these days?

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I'm waiting for the night to come..I know that it will save us all. When here in the still, all you can feel is tranquility... Depeche Mode

[SuperGirl]

Wow. "nice" and "SuperGirl" in the same sentence*. I'm going to print that out and hang it on my wall. images/smilies/smile.gif

~SG~>


*(other than "Nice shot, SuperGirl - is he dead?" or "SuperGirl isn't nice!")

[This message has been edited by SuperGirl (edited 09-16-2000).]

[bliss]

I attend dancing events to provide positive vibratory guidance to my inner being.

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[SkyCriesX]

Anyone else here enjoy dancing as a good form of exercise and a way to tone your legs??=)

*feels his nice muscular dancing legs*