So naf has one of their off days...

[TeknoAXE]

And doesn't quite get a production company to host an event at their venue. I've only been to naf a couple times, but I did notice that the dj pit, curiously, is big enough to hold a band. What are the chances that naf would let bands play on that mainstage--or anywhere else in the venue, for that matter--provided there's no sort of production company sheduled to rent it out?

The reason i'm asking is because one of my friends told me he went to naf once to find that there was only about 400 people there that night. There was no production holding a party that night and naf had decided to bring in some random, sucky ass djs and throw a party anywayz. Could he really object to having bands over as well?

AXE

[hardkandyxx]

oh wow.. thats a good idea..i dont see why you couldnt..

[duckankuvah206]

That night yer talking about was due to the fact that one of the promoters here in Seattle had cancelled a night there and left him hanging with like 2 weeks notice with no show. The Dj's he booked were not sucky, they were our locals and the party cost 15 bux.

Chances of NAF letting you have a concert there. I dunno. I do know that he is only allowed 3 raves a month there. So there is always an open Saturday every month. If not more than one.

Hope that helps. If you want to know the real answers, I would suggest looking up NAF Studios in the phone book, or hitting up someone that has the number on hand..

[HeavIn]

if somehow u do start getting bands to play there on weekends that no raves are being held, someone should get Mindless Self Indulgence to play a show , i havent seen them forever and they fuckin rockl!!!!!
Peace and Love, Evan

[TeknoAXE]

Originally posted by duckankuvah206
That night yer talking about was due to the fact that one of the promoters here in Seattle had cancelled a night there and left him hanging with like 2 weeks notice with no show. The Dj's he booked were not sucky, they were our locals and the party cost 15 bux.

Chances of NAF letting you have a concert there. I dunno. I do know that he is only allowed 3 raves a month there. So there is always an open Saturday every month. If not more than one.

Hope that helps. If you want to know the real answers, I would suggest looking up NAF Studios in the phone book, or hitting up someone that has the number on hand..

Thanks for your help. I'm not sure, but "3 raves" sounds a lot like "3 events" to me, but i'll give that avenue a try.

I really believe warehouses and stuff like such to be good places to hold concerts for fledgeling bands, mainly because a good portion of the population that is interested in the live scene are under 21, which kind of puts them at a disadvantage--especially in washington, where simply stamping your hand at the door doesn't seem to be an option to letting underage kids in.

AXE

[jeffereff]

That would be kinda cool to have a punk show there or soemthing. But people might be slippin all over the place cause of the floor if you had a pit. And a lot of the shows I've been to they stamp your hand at the door but they'll also ask for your ID if you go try to buy some alkemahol. So it is kinda an option.

Jeff

Oh and that party with all the locals I enjoyed a lot. Good locals at low price and not too many people.

[bungle bliss]

Del was there. Des that count as a rave? I dunno. There were also djs but he headlined.

[PulpMind]

weird that noone knows this or has posted this yet...

back before Mark Naf was ripping off ravers for as much as he possibly could, charging $10K a show (about 3-5 years ago), it would continually host concerts and was a very integral part of the rock community... ever notice how Mark Naf and all his goons are everything but ravers, drive trucks, and tawk leik dis' ?

in fact, an Alice in Chains video (the famous one) was filmed there... if you ever catch a glimpse of the giant troll heads, those are from that video...

soooo... yah, approach Mark in a non-raver way, and he might actually treat you like a human being... but make sure to him (and yourself) that it's not a rave... I'd imagine going all night will cost about 10x more than normal rock-show hours...

/end ramble

Shu'kran,
- Jesiah -

[boredstiff]

naf studios
as in naf rehearsal/recording studios.
the sound is set up for butt rock and thats mark's thang
as pulpmind said he made that business off of rocknroll soundgarden and the like used to rehearse there if that helps answer your questions any.

[Trixie]

"Hells Belles really wants to play an all ages show somewhere around Olympia, but I guess Seattle is good enough., and we got their numbers this weekend sooo... maybe!!! "

they play frequently in seattle and at far better venues than naf, it would be fairly insulting to have them play at a place like naf.

"If you've ever heard of Soylint Green (which you should have, if you're into punk rock"

riiiiight.... i have taste, sorry.

a friend of mine has his band practice at naf and he sees that they are probably changing spaces because the acoustics have gone to shit because mark naf refuses to fix all the damage on the walls. so ya, a concert there would be a bad idea. it was great a few years back, but it's not what it used to be....


-trixie

[*Frog*]

Uhhhh Evan, I saw MSI open for Soulfly and Rammstein and they blew goats... big time! There was one guy who got into the music, but we didn't really pay attention to him. We let him do his thing because we had essentially a telepathic reasoning that said he'll get it during Soulfly. Apparently the same year at the Korn concert in the T-dome, same group same guy, but this time korn followers bum rushed him, and beat the crap out of him. Case in point, I don't think MSI is good at all.

[TeknoAXE]

This is all really good info. For the longest time, I've been playing around with starting up a band for the hell of it, and it just clicked to me that the setup in the main room wasn't meant for just tekno parties. I'm not rich by any means, but it'd be nice to have some place to play for fun.

Trixie is right. To put any band with any sort of reputation in a place like naf would be a serious insult to them, not to mention their fans as well. I wouldn't think that it would bad for start-up bands, tho, if the price wasn't that high.

It's kind of sad, really, considering that from what I'm understanding, this place had a really big hand in the Seattle grunge scene, which kind of makes it a piece of history. Big props to Mark Naf for letting things go to shit :P.

AXE

[LexisLadyBug]

Originally posted by duckankuvah206
. I dunno. I do know that he is only allowed 3 raves a month there. So there is always an open Saturday every month. If not more than one.



Friday nights would be great, too. That would be an excellent place for a concert (heh, look how dirty and punk we are!!!), and you could probably get it for cheaper if you just used one room which is all you would need.

[Daz]

Originally posted by *Frog*
Uhhhh Evan, I saw MSI open for Soulfly and Rammstein and they blew goats... big time! There was one guy who got into the music, but we didn't really pay attention to him. We let him do his thing because we had essentially a telepathic reasoning that said he'll get it during Soulfly. Apparently the same year at the Korn concert in the T-dome, same group same guy, but this time korn followers bum rushed him, and beat the crap out of him. Case in point, I don't think MSI is good at all.


I saw them with Korn in Portland.... and god they were horrible.. They completely suck live... just.. completely... even kids I know that are fans of their cd were disgusted with them live....

Jeff

[Trixie]

i think people read my point but didn't get it.

naf is no place for a concert. seriously.

there are dozens of other great venues around the city... the graceland, the paradox, local 46, and assorted basements. and there are even more venues in suburbia.

when i said that it was an insult to a band it is an insult to all bands no matter their status, naf is not the place for a show (and in my opinion, not a place for a rave either, but that's beside the point)

the acoustics are shit, the location is annoying, nevermind the management you would have to deal with.. i mean, c'mon.

besides, there are places more deserving of your money than mark naf's greedy pocket.


-trixie

[Nukegrrrl]

My dad worked at Terminal 105 all through the 80s and 90s and remembers working late nights while hearing thee sounds of grunge and punk blasting away from Naf Studios.
As for the Helles Belles playing in Oly, there's a lot of venues and clubs that would love to have them here, I bet.

[groovinkim]

Originally posted by ~Bliss~
They were saying they're fed up with always playing at venues where all of their fans can't come in because the venues are lounges and bars, they WANT to play something shitty so everyone can see them.


but there ARE non-shitty venues which are all-ages which aren't naf..
and are probably a lot cheaper to rent.

unless you're looking for something *really* large, which i would think a local, low-profile band wouldn't be?

[jujubeedoll]

i have also heard about the concerts that used to be held at naf, and i understand that mark naf might prefer concerts over a bunch of ravers, but i agree with trixie. there must be a reason that there aren't still concerts there right? maybe its cause there is more money in raves, or maybe its cause the acoustics have gone to shit, or whatever it is, there is obviously some reason they aren't held there anymore. there are a lot better places in seattle that concerts can be held at, but hey, if you're set on naf, good luck!

[DJ Rawkus]

can we please dispense with the flaming? (even though it's very punk like to do so..heh) Lemme point sum stuff out..

Trixie is correct in her sound analogy. NAF is horrific when it comes to sound. Do most punks care? Not really!! They are too busy bashing each other in the pit and gazing upon the lead singer to care about acoustics. However, Mark Naf would be benefitting once again regardless of the type of music, and that, in and of itself is not cool at all.

Bliss is correct in her review of SG and Helles Belles. They won't care if they play there, and even if it seems like a disgrace..it's kinda cool and humorous to say you played at a dive like Naf. These are punk and hardcore bands people, not Superdeluxe and PUSA. Let's get real...

[TeknoAXE]

So I take it the general consensus is not to give Mark Naf any more money than he already has. I suppose if I wanted a warehouse type thing going on, I could pull a freaknight, but I dunno.

Thanks for all the input :).

AXE

[foofy]

Originally posted by Trixie
i think people read my point but didn't get it.

naf is no place for a concert. seriously.

there are dozens of other great venues around the city... the graceland, the paradox, local 46, and assorted basements. and there are even more venues in suburbia.

when i said that it was an insult to a band it is an insult to all bands no matter their status, naf is not the place for a show (and in my opinion, not a place for a rave either, but that's beside the point)

the acoustics are shit, the location is annoying, nevermind the management you would have to deal with.. i mean, c'mon.

besides, there are places more deserving of your money than mark naf's greedy pocket.


-trixie

the paradox has the best acoustics by far of any venue ive been at in seattle. and i dont care how bad the acoustics at naf studios are, theres no way in hell they could possibly be worse than the ones at local 46. the whole fucking place is a huge concrete reverberation chamber. it sucks the enjoyability out of any band that plays there.

[foofy]

Originally posted by groovinkim



but there ARE non-shitty venues which are all-ages which aren't naf..
and are probably a lot cheaper to rent.

unless you're looking for something *really* large, which i would think a local, low-profile band wouldn't be?

in seattle:

the paradox, the graceland, local 46 (although i wouldnt reccomend it) are all all ages. im not as sure about the i-spy or the croc cafe (<-- do they have all ages shows sometimes?) but they might have all ages events sometimes as well.

ground zero in bellevue (?) is also all ages.

in olympia there's the backstage place in that theatre and that loft (i forget their actual names if they even have any) that are both all ages.

its pretty easy to book a show at a college if you wanted an all ages venue not to mention a million different basements you can play in all over the fuckin place. im sure there are several places that ive overlooked or just dont know about myself too.

there are plenty of options if you *really* want to make yourself available to fans of all ages.

and Bliss: its nice that youre friends with them, but whether or not you know them, a shitty band is still a shitty band. thanks and have a nice day.

[Trixie]

well, they are shitty.


but anyhoo.

the paradox is, in my opinion, the best venue out there right now. for sure. and i know the helles belles have been approached a few times to play there but the timing never works out... and ya. the best venue in the whole state, (if you ask me) is the redmond firehouse, they have one of the best sound systems and it's well maintained and the acoustics in the building are so nice... wow, it's a great place, and it's a rad place to support.


and i know that bands don't really care about setting but it is an insult to put them in a truly disgraceful venue, if you want a dive then actually go to a decent one, y'know? the rendevouz or something... naf is just a silly idea for a show, and probably far too expensive.

oh, and my friend who used to practice at naf definitely called of any more practices there and said that there is only one band left that practices there and they are leaving too because it's become so horrible. (they don't even practice in the actually "party" area of naf after last summer and the area they do use is horrible.... that says a lot, eh?)



-trixie (the bitch?)