The perfect job for homeless people

[TeknoAXE]

After driving around today, and seeing various people on the corner holding up advertisements for various stores, it occured to me that there is a way for homeless people to earn their keep.

Yes, I'm especially talking about those people who sit on the entrance ramps on the free-ways and insist on holding up their signs to get simpathy from you. I've found the perfect job for them. And that is....well....sitting and holding up signs :).

Or in other words, if you're going to sit on the streets holding signs, you might as well do it for my store, holding up catchy slogans for at least minimum wage. Hell. Dress them up as a mascot chicken for KFC or in a mechanic suit to advertise a mechanic shop.

That way, the homeless dude can get some legitimate cash without having to beg on the streets. His hours are a helluvalot better and he might even get a shower or two when he can afford his own place, thus *gasp* making his status NOT homeless.

AXE

[DJ Rawkus]

*le sigh* You're just hell bent on making everyone a slave to capitalism aren't ya? I mean, gawd forbid somebody wasn't being a "productive member" of society. That might be an eyesore for you. Pshaw! :rolleyes:

[TeknoAXE]

Let me put it this way:

If you're not willing to put the effort in, DON'T expect me to put any effort into you.

AXE

[Nimble*Syd]

Believe it or not, people make way more money begging on off-ramps every day than they do working 8 hours a day for minimum wage.

[oOlittleprincessOo]

i think it is wrong for some of them to expect that you should feel sorry for them and give them your $. otherwise i don't really give a crap. when i lived in seattle i always handed them food...apples, left over pizza, whatever. but never $. i had quit a few turn me down on my food offerings as well.

maybe i am a bitch but oh well.

[Effendi]

.

Originally posted by Nimble*Syd
Believe it or not, people make way more money begging on off-ramps every day than they do working 8 hours a day for minimum wage.

I saw a show where a guy used to do that 6 months of the year, and made like $50,000. Then he went on Vacation the other 6 months.... I'm sure that is not the usual fare...but it's hard to get that out of my mind when they ask!!

I have found what I consider an acceptable way around these people. Instead of Helping people I don't Know....I help the people I DO know, that I know need help.

Maybe a sandwhich out of the fridge, or a tank of Gas, or even cash if they're strapped. That way...I know my Money is going where I want it to go!!!

Scott!!

[r*marie.pdx]

Originally posted by oOlittleprincessOo
when i lived in seattle i always handed them food...apples, left over pizza, whatever. but never $. i had quit a few turn me down on my food offerings as well.

maybe i am a bitch but oh well.
i think that's a much better idea. most of 'em say they want money to buy food, anyway.

[randomkid]

One time I had a guy ask for money so he could buy some liquor...at least he was honest.

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by -.DisTorTioN.-
Let me put it this way:

If you're not willing to put the effort in, DON'T expect me to put any effort into you.

AXE LMAO!! Irony at it's best. This is precisely the stance i take with you on the board. hahaha!

[TeknoAXE]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
LMAO!! Irony at it's best. This is precisely the stance i take with you on the board. hahaha!

Oh excuse me Mr "I don't like looking through boring facts" Rawkus.

AXE

[DJ Rawkus]

ROTFLMAO!!!

[Lady Legs]

I once watched a "homeless" man begging. Pitiful sign, dirty and ripped clothes, unwashed and unkept looking. I felt so sorry for him that I finally reached into my pocket for some money, when he got up, and walked away. I watched him walk into a nearby parking lot, unlock a brand new truck, throw his sign and dirty coat into it, pull out a nice leather jacket, and then walk into the nearby liquor store, where he came out with two large bags, got into the truck, and drove away.

I no longer give money to ANYBODY begging.

I've seen similar incidences since that confirmed my feelings as well.

[PulpMind]

it's somewhat fairly, almost, kind-of known that if you can squat a prime corner in certain parts of SanFrancisco you can "Change" yourself for upwards of $20 an hour, sometimes MUCH more...
but that doesn't mean all the people on the street are beggars and make that much... I have no problem giving food or change to people that obviously need it / aren't anywhere where they'll ever make money... or something... imho...

Shu'kran,
- Jesiah -

[Dave Science]

What about working in construction? Those people who just hold up the stop/slow sign make bank.

Dave

[Dave Science]

People in politics are always preaching help for the poor. Why don't their campaign(sp?) funds pay homeless people to hold up their "vote for me signs". Homeless people are voters too.

[TeknoAXE]

Originally posted by Genma
What about working in construction? Those people who just hold up the stop/slow sign make bank.

Dave

Just as long as they know when to turn the stop/slow signs, that's fine with me .

AXE

[DJ Rawkus]

I will be the first to tell you I have little pity for those who beg. When i say beg, i mean every type of begging. You can't classify one type as better than another. I have been homeless, and i never squatted, begged, or bum rushed anyone. I made my life happen, and didn't depend on someone else to feed me. House me, yes, but only becuz they may have offered it. The fact of the matter is, the poor exist becuz of societal castes and capitalism. If everyone were equal as is mentioned in the Constitution, this problem wouldn't exist. No, we have people who 'represent' us and yet have no idea what middle thru lower class life is like. Rich, high powered politicians will never be able to truly represent something they know nothing about, no matter good intentions. Stat charts and SIG's don't curb the real issues of poverty, but instead try to band-aid the sucker and dole out money on programs like halfway homes and prison workers because "that's the way it's done". Here is the most common cycle of homelessness and/or poverty:

1) You fall thru the cracks (unpaid bills, social problems, etc)

2) Sometimes you go to prison/jail becuz of above and then end up on the street after time is done....OR you end up on the streets and commit crimes to go to jail so as to be housed...OR you're falsely accused becuz you're street vermin. People rat on each other all the time..*shrug*

3) You either start the cycle again or you end up dead. (street and prison)

I think that construction idea was probably the best idea considered so far. That's if the person in question isn't mentally insane..there's more than a few dingbats that are homeless..

[*badmouse*]

Homeless people are voters too.
really?
i was under the impression that you had to have an address in order to register.
*confused*
homeless = no home = no address (in most cases)

[s1n]

im so fucking down with homeless people. let em do whatever they want...

peace,
kevin

[TeknoAXE]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
I will be the first to tell you I have little pity for those who beg. When i say beg, i mean every type of begging. You can't classify one type as better than another. I have been homeless, and i never squatted, begged, or bum rushed anyone. I made my life happen, and didn't depend on someone else to feed me. House me, yes, but only becuz they may have offered it.

Congratulations, you've just defined yourself as a capitalist.


The fact of the matter is, the poor exist becuz of societal castes and capitalism.


Congratulations, you've just defined yourself as anti-capitalist.


If everyone were equal as is mentioned in the Constitution, this problem wouldn't exist.


That's the Declaration of Independance. Not the constitution.

No, we have people who 'represent' us and yet have no idea what middle thru lower class life is like. Rich, high powered politicians will never be able to truly represent something they know nothing about, no matter good intentions.

I take it you've never heard of Harry Truman.


I think that construction idea was probably the best idea considered so far. That's if the person in question isn't mentally insane..there's more than a few dingbats that are homeless..

Most homeless, admittedly, are insane. Solution: send them back to the assylm.

AXE

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by -.DisTorTioN.-
That's the Declaration of Independance. Not the constitution. Congratulations. Hook, line, and sinker.

I take it you've never heard of Harry Truman.
Yeah yeah, i think i've heard of him...didn't he back a big war or something?


Most homeless, admittedly, are insane. Solution: send them back to the assylm.

AXE it's asylum genius. Some place you ought to be heading to maybe? Hrm?


Actually, aXe..your idea about advertising jobs for the poor isn't half bad either...for those of us who believe in consumerism and the value of a buck. ;)

[matytek]

Shoplifting is the best way to use your spare time. its easy,fun and contributes to our economy.

shoplift. it creats jobs.

[DJ Rawkus]

Dood, have u been peeking around over at Crimethinc.com again? That sounds vaguely familiar ...heh

[TeknoAXE]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
Congratulations. Hook, line, and sinker.

And your point is?

Yeah yeah, i think i've heard of him...didn't he back a big war or something?
[/B]
Two big wars. He was vice president during and at the end of WWII and the President during the beginning of the Korean War. He was also a farmer from Iowa.

it's asylum genius. Some place you ought to be heading to maybe? Hrm?

Oh I know you just did not bring spelling into the equations. One word against your 100?

Actually, aXe..your idea about advertising jobs for the poor isn't half bad either...for those of us who believe in consumerism and the value of a buck. ;)
Yep..someone's gotta come up with the ideas. Might as well be me.

AXE

[Yungrii Mobliatri]

ponies.

[HexRei]

What about working in construction? Those people who just hold up the stop/slow sign make bank.

This is also one of the most dangerous jobs in the country. I sure as hell wouldn't want to do it...

[HexRei]

Or in other words, if you're going to sit on the streets holding signs, you might as well do it for my store, holding up catchy slogans for at least minimum wage. Hell. Dress them up as a mascot chicken for KFC or in a mechanic suit to advertise a mechanic shop.

Holy shit! A white male republican is giving his opinion on a social issue! I'm sure it will be a new and refreshing idea, everone listen up!

[oOlittleprincessOo]

[/i]


This is also one of the most dangerous jobs in the country. I sure as hell wouldn't want to do it...


not only dangerous but you DO have to take classes for that...and pay for them and pay for your gear.

[Kosmicdog]

I used to have a crew of slutty little girls beg money for me. After 2 or 3 hours the 3 or 4 of them would have 50-150$ and i would go hook up the booze drugs and hotel rooms.

Pimpin' it ghetto style

ahh, memories....

[TeknoAXE]

Originally posted by HexRei


Holy shit! A white male republican is giving his opinion on a social issue! I'm sure it will be a new and refreshing idea, everone listen up!

And your point is.....

AXE

[AziaNI2eD]

I will give money to people with out limbs...shit I'll drive him to his drug dealer if he asks nicely.

People who have all of thier limbs....get shit from me.

[Nimble*Syd]

When I lived in Los Angeles, there was a leg-less vietnam vet named Larry who would beg on one of the cross-streets I took to go to school. I gave him sandwiches, he smoked me bowls. Let me tell ya, veterans know where the dank shit is at.

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by -.DisTorTioN.-


And your point is.....

AXE Peter, you probably know this already but he won't get the point unless it aligns with current trendy values. "and your point is"..i used that comeback in 6th grade..lol

[TeknoAXE]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
Peter, you probably know this already but he won't get the point unless it aligns with current trendy values. "and your point is"..i used that comeback in 6th grade..lol

Yes, congralutions on trying to subvert any sort of rational discussion with character assassination. You really know how to intelligently argue out your facts [/sarcasm]

I realize HexRei probably had no point in trying to make me look bad, but I thought I'd try and see if there was any purpose to his rants anywayz.

Oh well.

AXE

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by -.DisTorTioN.-


Yes, congralutions on trying to subvert any sort of rational discussion with character assassination. You really know how to intelligently argue out your facts [/sarcasm]

I realize HexRei probably had no point in trying to make me look bad, but I thought I'd try and see if there was any purpose to his rants anywayz.

Oh well.

AXE Pfft! Don't give me that tired "poor me" bullshit, Axe. Trying to have a rational discussion with you is like trying to climb a greased pole. As far as arguing out facts, "and your point is" is not a debate, it's a cop out. What facts could i possibly argue out other than the ones you so finely present every time you post? I guess i could TRY for character assassination, but you do that so well by yourself, i don't wanna impede your downward progress. :p

[TeknoAXE]

Originally posted by HexRei


Holy shit! A white male republican is giving his opinion on a social issue! I'm sure it will be a new and refreshing idea, everone listen up!

What is there to debate about this?? How was my reply a cop out? Explain. I would love to hear your answer.

AXE

[Lady Legs]

HA!

Axe reminds me of that oh so annoying character in that oh so annoying movie "Hey Dude Where's My Car."

And then???????

*smirks*

[TeknoAXE]

I was contemplating some snide remark about a certain vibrator thread, but, I decided not to.

AXE

[DJ Rawkus]

...and we applaud your better sense for doing that. lol..You do not want to tangle with LadyLegs. Becuz she WILL hand you your tongue on a platter.

[Lady Legs]

My vibrator can kick your ass. Especially the gas powered one....

D00d, don't try to intimidate me by saying "I could have been obnoxious on your one thread back on that one day.."

Am I supposed to be silent now and thankful that you didn't flame me?

Get a fucking clue and a fucking life.

[HexRei]

Axe wrote:

And your point is.....

My point is that simple solutions are rarely the right ones, when dealing with large numbers of people. Our world is far too complicated, and any simple solutions that are actually practical are already being applied.

This post essentially has little merit, because I think everybody agrees that there are PLENTY of jobs that a homeless person could do, there really is NOT a shortage of shitty work in this country. There are countless food service/retail/custodial jobs available that these people could do.

But homeless people each have their own reasons for being homeless, and there is no one solution that's going to solve the problem of homelessness.

I made my comment because it seemed so smug and typical to me that someone would think their idea could be the simple solution for a problem they clearly don't even understand.

[TeknoAXE]

Originally posted by HexRei

My point is that simple solutions are rarely the right ones, when dealing with large numbers of people. Our world is far too complicated, and any simple solutions that are actually practical are already being applied.

Well yah, actually I do agree with you there. Which is why, in some of these threads, I throw around for state-controlled programs instead of federal controlled programs. State and local government obviously have a better handle on what's going on in their area than the federal government. Give them some more reigns to do something about it.


This post essentially has little merit, because I think everybody agrees that there are PLENTY of jobs that a homeless person could do, there really is NOT a shortage of shitty work in this country. There are countless food service/retail/custodial jobs available that these people could do.


In all honesty, I had a run-in with my funny bone while watching some of the holiday human marquis out there after thanksgiving. Maybe I should have been more specific, but I was pointing towards the guys that are posted outside your local offramp, saying "will work for food" and what not.


I made my comment because it seemed so smug and typical to me that someone would think their idea could be the simple solution for a problem they clearly don't even understand.

Noted. However, who sounded more smug? The one who presented a solution or those who announced that they would never respect those who beg, or would never help them because of certain events?

AXE

[DJ Rawkus]

And my point is...(since you seem to think i can't argue facts)


..that homelessness is not always negative thing. I should have *badmouse* and Trixie run a skiploader over your head and pound some sense into you. They both know people that squat out of choice, or are homeless ,and not mental at all. I have known people that have made the same choice, and are possibly the kind of people you are trying to "help". Maybe they don't need your jobs and your idea of happiness in money. Ever think of that? You seem to think that homelessness is a blight on society and "solvable" by your gov't. I heartily disagree.

[TeknoAXE]

'Tis better to teach a man to fish than to give him one.

I heard that somewhere.

AXE

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by Nimble*Syd
Believe it or not, people make way more money begging on off-ramps every day than they do working 8 hours a day for minimum wage.

Ahh.. So it's better to beg for money you did not earn??

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by Effendi
.



I saw a show where a guy used to do that 6 months of the year, and made like $50,000. Then he went on Vacation the other 6 months.... I'm sure that is not the usual fare...but it's hard to get that out of my mind when they ask!!

I have found what I consider an acceptable way around these people. Instead of Helping people I don't Know....I help the people I DO know, that I know need help.

Maybe a sandwhich out of the fridge, or a tank of Gas, or even cash if they're strapped. That way...I know my Money is going where I want it to go!!!

Scott!!

There we go Scott.. I agree..

I'd rather do that than have my money taken by force and given to people who spent my 30 minutes of labor on crack cocaine.

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by -.DisTorTioN.-


Oh excuse me Mr "I don't like looking through boring facts" Rawkus.

AXE

Good Ole Rawkus! :D

-= Jason

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
I will be the first to tell you I have little pity for those who beg. When i say beg, i mean every type of begging. You can't classify one type as better than another. I have been homeless, and i never squatted, begged, or bum rushed anyone. I made my life happen, and didn't depend on someone else to feed me. House me, yes, but only becuz they may have offered it. The fact of the matter is, the poor exist becuz of societal castes and capitalism. If everyone were equal as is mentioned in the Constitution, this problem wouldn't exist. No, we have people who 'represent' us and yet have no idea what middle thru lower class life is like. Rich, high powered politicians will never be able to truly represent something they know nothing about, no matter good intentions. Stat charts and SIG's don't curb the real issues of poverty, but instead try to band-aid the sucker and dole out money on programs like halfway homes and prison workers because "that's the way it's done". Here is the most common cycle of homelessness and/or poverty:

1) You fall thru the cracks (unpaid bills, social problems, etc)

2) Sometimes you go to prison/jail becuz of above and then end up on the street after time is done....OR you end up on the streets and commit crimes to go to jail so as to be housed...OR you're falsely accused becuz you're street vermin. People rat on each other all the time..*shrug*

3) You either start the cycle again or you end up dead. (street and prison)

I think that construction idea was probably the best idea considered so far. That's if the person in question isn't mentally insane..there's more than a few dingbats that are homeless..

Are you sure your not Howard Zinn?

Ever read Poor Magazine?
http://www.poormagazine.com


-= Jason

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by -.DisTorTioN.-


And your point is.....

AXE

haha.. :D

His point is he's suprised to see a Republican like yourself make a comment about social issues? You see he sits in a room with other marxists so it's very hard to come accross others who do not think alike.

-= Jason

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by HexRei
But homeless people each have their own reasons for being homeless, and there is no one solution that's going to solve the problem of homelessness.

I made my comment because it seemed so smug and typical to me that someone would think their idea could be the simple solution for a problem they clearly don't even understand.

That's insulting.. these people have a right to a job, and a home. Our unfair capitalistic systems keeps them deprived.

[TeknoAXE]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
And my point is...(since you seem to think i can't argue facts)


..that homelessness is not always negative thing. I should have *badmouse* and Trixie run a skiploader over your head and pound some sense into you. They both know people that squat out of choice, or are homeless ,and not mental at all. I have known people that have made the same choice, and are possibly the kind of people you are trying to "help". Maybe they don't need your jobs and your idea of happiness in money. Ever think of that? You seem to think that homelessness is a blight on society and "solvable" by your gov't. I heartily disagree.

Very well put, Mr Rawkus. I have the perfect rebuttle from a close friend of mine. Listen closely *snicker*

I will be the first to tell you I have little pity for those who beg. When i say beg, i mean every type of begging. You can't classify one type as better than another. I have been homeless, and i never squatted, begged, or bum rushed anyone. I made my life happen, and didn't depend on someone else to feed me.

AXE

[HexRei]

Holy shit, Zupan! You just posted six times in a row!

[~DiScO DaZeD~]

Did you know that 10% of homeless people have a college education?
And 70% of people are homeless due to their own fault? And it's usually something deemed bad by society, like jail or drugs?

Don't give these people money! They could take charge of their lives if they really tried. We are not helping them!

That's just my statement. Sorry it's off the subject.

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by -.DisTorTioN.-


Very well put, Mr Rawkus. I have the perfect rebuttle from a close friend of mine. Listen closely *snicker*



AXE How in the holy fuck is that a rebuttle?? I'll actually give you some credit if you manage to pull that one out of your ass. I'm dead serious!

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by ZupanGOD


Are you sure your not Howard Zinn?

Ever read Poor Magazine?
http://www.poormagazine.com


-= Jason Zupe, you rule dood. :) I have read Poor, and still manage to peruse the 'travel' section when i get the time. The whole mag is a great read, but that's my fave section along with Poverty Heroes.

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
Zupe, you rule dood. :) I have read Poor, and still manage to peruse the 'travel' section when i get the time. The whole mag is a great read, but that's my fave section along with Poverty Heroes.

hehe.. I get a kick outta reading it sometimes.. What I find so interesting about the homeless/poor is people here are speaking like it's something so far out of reach for them.

I'm not far from that at all.. all it takes is a month with a few bills left unpaid, a layoff, and some lazyness for me to be homeless.. or which already almost has happen to me, a fuckin roomate stiffed me BAD over money I didn't even have.. had to work a 3rd job and cease the expenses to make sure I wasn't out on the street. I'm still recovering from debt that came out of that ordeal, and more to come I assume. My point is, us who beleive in personal responsibility are not "rich". Well depends on how one defines rich.. My goals and vision for the future put rich at such a higher number than most here would want to admit.. I would be considered Rich amongst the anti-captialist folks becuase I accumlate money left over (after bills) to keep for myself. What say you?

Peace Bro,
Zupan

[sothis]

yea, (zupan) rather than responding 6 times, wouldnt it be a lot easier (and less to scroll) to just put the quotes and responses in ONE reply?

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by sothis
yea, (zupan) rather than responding 6 times, wouldnt it be a lot easier (and less to scroll) to just put the quotes and responses in ONE reply?

Less to scroll?

If I lump in one huge message or 6 smaller pieces would they not contain the same amount of text? Less to scoll.. perhaps.. but easier I dunno.. I just reply.. If Rawkus had lumped a response to me in a huge message that was a reply to someone else or a reference to other parts of the thread I wouldn't know it existed. Your right, I should and I'll try to conserv a little more though.

Peace,
Zupan

[TeknoAXE]

Originally posted by sothis
yea, (zupan) rather than responding 6 times, wouldnt it be a lot easier (and less to scroll) to just put the quotes and responses in ONE reply?

By responding six times, it makes it easier for his discussion counterparts to respond to specific arguments against their cases.

How in the holy fuck is that a rebuttle?? I'll actually give you some credit if you manage to pull that one out of your ass. I'm dead serious!


Maybe I'm not being totally straight to the point on this one.

You are about as consistent as a mosquito in the middle of a tornado, especially when it came down to arguing your point in this thread.

Example: Your first sentences posted on this thread basically said that you have no respect for those who beg on the side of the road because you were homeless and made an effort to make your own money or your own means.

This defined you as a capitalist right here, and defined your sentiments on those who have their alms cups and signs begging for money.

You managed to contradict the first part of your statement within the same post, once against what you'd previously said and another time within the same sentence, saying that homelessness was due to capitalism and a caste system. But you'd used the aspects of capitalism to survive and get out of the homelessness situation that you were in. Also, capitalism may have some sort of caste system predefined when you were born, but after that, the boundries of the caste system inside the capital system are so damn flexible that they might as well not even exist.

In the post I responded to last, you then contradicted yourself again by stating there is nothing wrong with being homeless and begging for money on the side of the street. But if there is nothing wrong with that, why do you not respect those who beg on the side of the road?

AXE

[HexRei]

homelessness /= begging on the side of the road.

[TeknoAXE]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
...I should have *badmouse* and Trixie run a skiploader over your head and pound some sense into you. They both know people that squat out of choice, or are homeless ,and not mental at all....

Squat=Beg No?

AXE

[sothis]

yea someone explain this to me (as i haven't been homeless).

if you are homeless, and you aren't begging for the money (or stealing which is just as bad), how exactly do you live? get food? it seems you must do one or the other.

[Star_Dancer]

I'm not sure if I want to get in the middle of this debate. I don't understand the thing about not having a job. I have a few friends who are homeless, they are my friends so I am not going to get into that with their life. I work for Stream at the moment, and unless you have a bad rep with previous tech history, they'll hire ANYONE. Hell they are offering $700 a head for fresh blood, I mean new recruits. I know the economy in Portland isn't the best, but is it really that hard to get a job? I know this pegs me as "capitalistic" but I also think that most of those places that offer free hot meals are funded by money granted by the fact that I work. Now I really don't have a problem with that since Death and Taxes are the only sure things in life. But yelling at someone saying they are "evil capitalists" because they say get a job, well, those evil capitalists are paying money from THEM working so other don't have to. And I do know for a fact that a lot of "homeless people" means that they just don't have their own apartments. They stay with friends who they give money too and make more money then I do, and I have an ok job. The only problem that i have with people begging on the streets is when I am made to feel bad for not giving any money. I think that they are making enough off from goodwill of people, but when I say I don't have change, or I need my change to get to work, I don't like being told that I'm not a good person.

[Lady Legs]

'Tis better to teach a man to fish than to give him one.

Close... I believe the quote is "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for life."

But yelling at someone saying they are "evil capitalists" because they say get a job, well, those evil capitalists are paying money from THEM working so other don't have to.

*claps loudly*
I wonder how much money used to get taken from my paychecks to support those who don't think they should have to support themselves....

[kizat]

Most homeless, admittedly, are insane. Solution: send them back to the assylm.

Asylm's cost money that "mentally ill" people usually dont have. Most of the "mentally ill" people who are homeless dont have family who will pay the bill to house, cloth, feed, medicate, and all the other great things they offer at the looney bin.

As far as homeless people getting jobs and what not... about 10 years ago, when I lived in california, a man who owned a rather large company *the company escapes me* held a rally for homeless people. About 200 homeless people showed up and listened to his man. He offered to give them ALL jobs, and a shelter where they could get food, shower, and sleep. Out of the 200 homeless people that showed that day, only 2 accepted the offer. 1%

There are shelters, and things out there to help homeless people back on their feet. Its their own damn fault *with the exception of certain cases of course* that they are living on the streets.

-Kat

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by -.DisTorTioN.-


Squat=Beg No?

AXE i'll respond to your previous post later and try to clarify myself some. But for the meantime..

squat= living in places you do not pay for i.e. abandoned buildings, stolen vehicles, others vehicles that are rightly owned by them, non gov't funded community shelters.

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by -.DisTorTioN.-
Maybe I'm not being totally straight to the point on this one.

You are about as consistent as a mosquito in the middle of a tornado, especially when it came down to arguing your point in this thread.
..and the flow of insults begin..
Example: Your first sentences posted on this thread basically said that you have no respect for those who beg on the side of the road because you were homeless and made an effort to make your own money or your own means. You misread me big time. I din't say i didn't respect them. I said i have little pity. WHY do i have little pity, you may ask? Because pity gets nobody anywhere. See, if you were to peek inside my head, you'd notice that ideas that hafta do with progress are motivating to me. I like progress. In any form. And 50 cents is going to do nothing in terms of progress....leaving them to their own devices and letting them take control of their fate is a much better solution than treating them like a child. I was insulted if somebody gave me money while i was homeless. They acted like it was their last dollar, and they were doing some huge favor. "Oh yeah buddy" Your Karma is going way up the imaginary thermometer now! You gave me a frickin dollar!" :mad:

But you'd used the aspects of capitalism to survive and get out of the homelessness situation that you were in. Again, where did i ever say i used the aspects of capitalism to take back my life? You assume i did ...and you know where that road leads...:)
Also, capitalism may have some sort of caste system predefined when you were born, but after that, the boundries of the caste system inside the capital system are so damn flexible that they might as well not even exist. Did you know that when a baby is born, the following things are established in order to make that child survive within the US?: SS #, credit history, and birth certificate (which later gets traded in for ID/license). If at any time in your life you happen to fuck up your credit, lose/copy your license/ID/birth certificate, or SS #, you can be liable for harsh treatment and possible jail time from the gov't. You may not believe all this, but tell that to an immigrant or person born into poverty. You'll get an earful and then some. I don't consider the above to be flexibility, dood.

[HexRei]

Ok, to all the people misspelling rebuttal-

REBUTTAL! REBUTTAL REBUTTAL REBUTTAL!

[DJ Rawkus]

Damn Peter!! That vein in your forehead is pulsating again...:D

[Kosmicdog]

Originally posted by sothis
yea someone explain this to me (as i haven't been homeless).

if you are homeless, and you aren't begging for the money (or stealing which is just as bad), how exactly do you live? get food? it seems you must do one or the other.

Well, this what I used to do:

For breakfast I would go to the food bank, almost as good as Denny's.
For dinner I would go to the Salvation Army (its ALOT different in Vermont than the mission downtown)
Also there was a semi religious group that had big fat homemade dinners twice a week. It was so good I used to go there after I wasn't homeless anymore. They also gave away socks.
My sketchball friends and I (this was 4 years and 3000 miles away) made a fair amount of money selling weed in the park. 4 or 5 of us would throw down and get a hotel room if it was cold out. Otherwise we would sleep outside or on a couch.
There was also a bunch of girls that would take pity on me and feed me and let me sleep with them hehehe.....

---no longer so much of a sketchball

[Boyd Main]

The only problem that i have with people begging on the streets is when I am made to feel bad for not giving any money.
Who makes you feel bad? Is it other people, or is it that little moral person inside you head called a conscience? Saying "when I am made to feel bad..." makes it sound like you are being forced to feel that way by someone else. Thats a cop-out. Just say it how it is: " When I feel guilty for not giving any money" Accept your guilt. Give some money if not giving it makes you feel guilty. Or don't give some money if you really beleive that you should keep what you have and that beggar doesn't deserve/need your dough. Just make up your mind and take some responsibility for your conscience.

[TeknoAXE]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
..and the flow of insults begin..
No, just my commentary. Constructive criticism, with a little emphasis on criticism.

You misread me big time. I din't say i didn't respect them. I said i have little pity. WHY do i have little pity, you may ask? Because pity gets nobody anywhere.

Alright, I understand you there, but this is the main contradiction that I was trying to point out to you :

Again, where did i ever say i used the aspects of capitalism to take back my life? You assume i did ...and you know where that road leads...:)

You got a job didn't you? If not do you DJ for money? Whatever you did to get yourself out of the homelessness situation was through the means made possible by capitalism. You CHOSE to work yourself out of homelessness by doing things to make means. That's capitalism for you.

Did you know that when a baby is born, the following things are established in order to make that child survive within the US?: SS #, credit history, and birth certificate (which later gets traded in for ID/license). If at any time in your life you happen to fuck up your credit, lose/copy your license/ID/birth certificate, or SS #, you can be liable for harsh treatment and possible jail time from the gov't. You may not believe all this, but tell that to an immigrant or person born into poverty. You'll get an earful and then some. I don't consider the above to be flexibility, dood.

Not that I haven't been guilty of financial blunders myself, but that all comes down to choice. If you plan your finances ahead of time, you won't fall under cracks, or you will have enough time to at least remedy your problem before it gets to far underneath.

AXE

[Bots]

homeless people from what I've experienced, are happy being homeless.. they don't want jobs. Without a residence they don't need to pay taxes, or anything else required of the common tax payer.

I knew somebody as a senior in highschool who lived with homeless people for a month as a project, and he found out they actually like being homeless.

That whole "need work" thing is a scam.. if they wanted a job bad enough they could get one. They just want hand-outs.