I gotta say something!

[Stephen East]

All party kids must take a glimce at the Portland scene. For those of you who have been around for a while you might be able to understand where I'm coming from, more so than the newbie kids. It seams that in the past two years the scene in portland has changed a lot. It WAS about the music and the love and the great vibes, and now its like kids cant go to parties anymore unless thier high or thier gonna pull a jack move. If you went to Sensation on Apr 8th of 2000, that had to be the biggest party Ive seen in Portland, I have never seen the paradigm that packed. I was watching the video I made of that party and realized that more than half of 3000 kids dont go to parties anymore. If all you newbie party kids are going to take dangerous drugs PLEASE take them responsibly. I'm tired of seeing a good scene turn bad. If people keep Overdosing they WILL shut down the scene. I'm surprised the scene is still around, if the Government let the public vote on raves, they wouldnt be around.
I'd like to give props to Monoj because he practly started the scene in portland and I think he did a good job. Uplift was an awesome party.

Manoj you like the tape I made ya?
E Mail me back at foeitry@aol.com

[Kosmicdog]

I was at Sensation.

I've been going out almost every weekend here for over two years, and I fail to see what you are talking about. I think it's gotten better.

[Enkidu Kind]

Good advice. The scene at last week's 13th Floor party is a good example of how a good scene can go bad. That didn't feel like the PDX I love at all. The music was great, but the crowd really kinda ruined the experience. There were lots of drunk/rolling teenagers and thugs and ho's and....ugh... Not what we like to see, I think.

:) Enkidu :)

[supamisty]

i hear where you're coming from. i started partying in Portland in 1994 and the past 2 years i've seen a dramatic change in the scene. its not just here though, its really everywhere. and its not something i like i suppose. I havent been partying a whole lot in general because of that fact. There are a handfull of people around town that really put their hearts into gatherings (tos, 11:11, ect..) but i havent seen anything lately that really made me *want* to go out. there might be a certain dj i really want to see, but i know if i go, i just wont enjoy myself because i do go into it with a bad attitude. all of the larger parties are the same thing over and over again. i've also been leaning towards the 21+ things because i dont get surrounded with 14 year old etards wearing fat furry pants and candy up to their elbows. call me crazy, but yes, i prefer to have beer spilt on me by my drunken friends, tables of friends with pitchers of beer and i can count on a certain crowd always being present. *laughs*

[Dave_Jumpers]

Originally posted by Enkidu Kind
[BThere were lots of drunk/rolling teenagers and thugs and ho's and....ugh... Not what we like to see, I think. [/B]Yeah, but we did enjoyed the rolling ho who showed us her boobs after Jason gave her a buck.

[Stephen East]

Is it true that the age span of party kids is between the ages of 13 and 23 or so? I mean to be honest it scares me to see young kids lying on the floor with thier eyes in the back of theirs heads. I dont think they realize what they are doing. I have had to babysit young kids at thier first party, and thier freaking out cuz thier "friends" feed them too many drugs and leave them to themselves. I have been through my eating E phaze and I slowly realized how it affected my thinking process, and I know that I'm gonna have long term affects from it. I'm not on here to talk shit to everyone, or sound like your mom, I'm simply looking out for the younger party kids.

-stephen

[Kosmicdog]

It's cause all these dumbfucks experiment at parties for their first times.

Practice your drugs at home first retards.

[AliciaisAlwaysPimpin]

who cares if these kids are doing drugs? its thier choice and you dont know them. they wanna party, you wanna party. who gives a fuck! stop being so anal and stop preaching please. i dont go to raves to get preached at i go to have a good time and anal people like you who care too much about "the cause of the scene" and "we need to get back to our roots" make me sick. bitching about it isnt going to change anything and theres nothing wrong with whats happening now. stop being so anal. please!

[186k\sec]

I was watching the video I made of that party and realized that more than half of 3000 kids dont go to parties anymore. If all you newbie party kids are going to take dangerous drugs PLEASE take them responsibly. I'm tired of seeing a good scene turn bad. If people keep Overdosing they WILL shut down the scene.

how do you know half kids arent going to parties anymore because of their irresponsible drug use? :confused: i dont see the correllation & if they arent anymore, isnt that probably just as well?

stop being so anal. please!

stop saying anal..please

[monki]

i am failing to see what is it really you have to say, stephen east...
it is just good ol' "the glass is half-full or half-empty" blah blah. (and from your "positive signature" i can see which side you are on...)

portland is great.

great talent, great dancers, real friends, and still an opportunity not to fuck it all up.

choose your parties carefully, and party for yourself, not for others.

[sweetpee]

i have only been partying for a little over a year now..and it amazes me how quickly i got over my "E" faze but regardles of what any one said i didnt stop until i realized that wasnt what it was about for me. i know it sucks to see kids just fucked out of there mind but i know from experiance your word wont mean shit untill there ready....but hell im right there with you sober people rock!

[hoo]

Originally posted by bEdHEad

portland is great.

great talent, great dancers, real friends, and still an opportunity not to fuck it all up.

choose your parties carefully, and party for yourself, not for others. [/B]

whatsup
my first portland party was rites of spring,
i had such a good time with you portland folk that i came down again for sensation and kaleidescope later that year.

overall i came upon the impression that portland ppl are a lot more nicer/considerate than seattle kids. the last party i went to in portland was frostee the alien last year - i thought that party was pretty cool

i loved the venues used for kaleidescope!!
that was one of the most enjoyable parties ive been too, i liked how they had three different floors of textures to dance to. cement/concrete on the bottom level. very shaggy carpet on the middle floor. and a huge hard wood jungle room/attic

just wondering if any other parties are gonna be thrown there in the future?

[Stephen East]

I never said kids stop partyin cuz of thier drug use, who knows, that could be one of the reasons why they do. I think its mostly because kids will party for, let's say the summer, they go every weekend and will eventually become tired of it. I started going to parties in the winter and by the time summer came around it got to be too much and I had to take a break. I know I will never get so tired of the scene that I give it up for good, I like the music and the dancing too much.

P.S I could care less if kids do drugs. If I did care that would make me a hipicrite.

[sothis]

i know you probably werent meaning to corollate the two but i hope you werent implying that 13-23 is all young kids. id say 13-17 is, but past that age, i dont think they fall into the same age category at all

[Stephen East]

No I did not mean that 13-23 is young, that was just a guess of the age group that go to parties.

[FatSetH]

the reason that this "scene is being corrupted , or that any scene is turning "bad" is that people(everybody) likes to fancy themselves as unique , a couple years ago Dj culture(scratch artists B-boys, Hip-hop) got really popular, if any body remebers the 80's break dancing was so the shit and then suddenly it went under ground , then when all the suberbinite kids start listening to snoop dog an shit like that, there suddenly was a larger audience for hip-hop , when one aspect of a culture get exposed all aspects of that same culture have light shed upon them. so when hip-hop got big , b-boys and scratch artists were looked at in a new light , after that the whole hip-hop world changed , white rappers suburban rappers , international scratch and b-boy competitions. take a look at another scene. Hardcore (not electro hardcore , real hardcore ) anyway , punk started in U.K , american kids saw it and immediatly wanted to emmulate , they got guitars and on and on until stupid bands are beating themselves up trying to look like they have serious mental issue's on mtv thinking they hardcore or whatever when really all of those bands completely miss the true motivation behind the music , it wasn't about killing people or being angry at the world or anything to that extent . the music was about dealing with issues inside yourself , not letting other people direct your life , not getting caught up with what other people think you should be. But millions of kids in high school go around all day screamin' meaningless lyrics that fail to ever make sense to me , not saying I can't understand what the singers are saying , cause I can , but the lyrics that most of those bands have are meaningless , just Psycho jibber jabber trying to make themselves look abstract or unique , fuck that , so when a bunch of kids think the point of "your" culture is to get really fukked up and lose your virginity just remeber what happened to the hardcore scene and imagine how I feel.

[Four19andloadin]

Originally posted by AliciaisAlwaysPimpin
who cares if these kids are doing drugs? its thier choice and you dont know them. they wanna party, you wanna party. who gives a fuck! stop being so anal and stop preaching please. i dont go to raves to get preached at i go to have a good time and anal people like you who care too much about "the cause of the scene" and "we need to get back to our roots" make me sick. bitching about it isnt going to change anything and theres nothing wrong with whats happening now. stop being so anal. please!

WERD GIRL, You have a point, let people be, It's there choice. I will agree that the party scene a couple years ago was different but in away I like the party scene better now. I have been partying in Oregon for over 3 years now and I've seen alot change but one thing that hasnt is FUCKED UP kids, Its something we all need to just deal with. My friends and I all party responsibly and thats all that i'm worried about, and you should just be worried about having a good time and being worried about yourself and your friends.

[boy christe]

Stephen:

I think that you are ignorant about this scene. First of all - we started out as "outlaws," virtually. The law did not even know we did this. The only reason the law is involved now is that there are a lot of new kids like you around. Your parents know where you are and are demanding that we get permits and shit like that so that someone is accountable for your bad mistakes - mistakes that their bad parenting made inevitable.

If it was put "to vote," It sure would be voted out of society. And frankly, that's the way it is supposed to be. That's the way we liked it five years ago. That was our home.

Portland city has always been a boring place. That's not going to change. What will change, though, is the number and frequency of tykes (like you) messing it up for us all.

You really don't "have to say something" that we've known for a long time. Drug experimentation is an important part of life. Those kids who die because of drugs deserve to die because of drugs. We deserve to take the rap because we (as a whole) are too busy complaining about their actions to actually pay attention and watch out for each other! How about being a little more involved in the stranger beside you? He/she may need more than you think!

Until you and I actively participate in our co-ravers' lives and decisions, we can't complain about the consequences.

Love Wesley.

[AliciaisAlwaysPimpin]

Originally posted by Stephen East
All party kids must take a glimce at the Portland scene. For those of you who have been around for a while you might be able to understand where I'm coming from, more so than the newbie kids. It seams that in the past two years the scene in portland has changed a lot.

i have been partying for two years. i still see the same djs and dumb fucks every weekend


It WAS about the music and the love and the great vibes, and now its like kids cant go to parties anymore unless thier high or thier gonna pull a jack move.

i dont do drugs....none of my friends do drugs... none of us steal...we all go to parties.


If you went to Sensation on Apr 8th of 2000, that had to be the biggest party Ive seen in Portland, I have never seen the paradigm that packed. I was watching the video I made of that party and realized that more than half of 3000 kids dont go to parties anymore. ya im sure you knew all 1500 of thse kids and know what they are doing every weekend


I'm tired of seeing a good scene turn bad. If people keep Overdosing they WILL shut down the scene. I'm surprised the scene is still around, if the Government let the public vote on raves, they wouldnt be around.

im pretty sure more people are dying from drug ods outside of raves than in raves.

I'd like to give props to Monoj because he practly started the scene in portland and I think he did a good job. Uplift was an awesome party.

Manoj you like the tape I made ya?
E Mail me back at foeitry@aol.com

way to kiss some ass.

[Stephen East]

Hey bro I want you to know that I'm not on here to talk shit or to start beef with anyone. I have never disrespected the portland scene, fuck dude this is my home town.

I think you made a great point about expiermenting with drugs, yes, a majority of people have gone through thier drug phases. I completely understand that if someone overdoses its nobody's fault but the user.

The public looks at the scene a little differently than the kids, they think that raves are all about getting high, I dont think that they will ever understand the true meaning of the scene. I think the news exaggerated a lil bit.......

I can tell you how portland will change, a lot of people are moving up to portland beacuse of the great people, cost of living is cheap, and who knows maybe cuz the drugs are cheaper. I was told that portland is going to double its size within the nex 6 years. Thats fukin insane portland will eventually look like Frisco.

[boy christe]

A few years ago, when I moved up the The beautiful City of Bellevue (http://www.ci.bellevue.wa.us), the neighbouring Seattle city wasn't as "big" as it is now.

SInce then, Californians, Arizonans, Mexicans and all the rest of that crap moved up here - bringing there problems, attitudes and their cars! Now, Seattle is one of the worst cities in the nation as far as "livability" goes.

So, go ahead and be excited abut what Portland wil become. It really won't be as good as you say it will be.

Love Wesley.

PS: This is not a Portland-bashing post. Nor do I feel you are trying to start anything so don't worry about that. I don't get angry as long as people are saying what they mean and feel.

[DesignerVoodoo]

Originally posted by Stephen East
Is it true that the age span of party kids is between the ages of 13 and 23 or so?

it's not the age that matters, it's the maturity. i know 40 yr olds that i think are irresponsible. and i know 16 yr olds that i think are wise. and while it's true that the average age of party kids is fairly low, there are plenty of us older folk to keep you company. the average age of my circle of friends is prob upwards of 24 (my age). i mean, i do hang out with a few 18 and 19 yr olds, and even some as young as 16, but i also spend time with ppl in their low 30s. as a matter of fact, some of my favorite ppl to see at parties are a gay couple in their mid-40s and their 16 yr old son. they are all responsible. on the other hand, walk around downtown and you'll see plenty of old, fucked up bums that cant control their own lives.