Life and Debt...

[frisky_kitty]

I just saw this really great documentary on Jamaica and their ever-increasing debt to the IMF (International Monetary Fund) and World Bank. Throughout the entire movie, the director juxtaposes the Jamaica that the tourist sees and that of the Jamaican. It's really interesting and I highly recommend it!!! I'm curious to see if there are any peeps out there that have seen this movie...please let me know what you thought of it. Or if anyone has anything that they would like to discuss about the IMF or World Bank, please do....

~d

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by frisky_kitty
I just saw this really great documentary on Jamaica and their ever-increasing debt to the IMF (International Monetary Fund) and World Bank. Throughout the entire movie, the director juxtaposes the Jamaica that the tourist sees and that of the Jamaican. It's really interesting and I highly recommend it!!! I'm curious to see if there are any peeps out there that have seen this movie...please let me know what you thought of it. Or if anyone has anything that they would like to discuss about the IMF or World Bank, please do....

~d

Where did you see it? I like watching such things of that nature. That would be interesting to see from this documentary about the IMF and it's role in strengthening Jamaica's economic interests and it's role in poverty reduction.

-Jason

[Headphones Dude]

Jamaica just needs to import weed and it can help get them outta debt in no time....

[EviLreD]

uh..import? from where? I think they've got it covered.

[frisky_kitty]

Originally posted by ZupanGOD


Where did you see it? I like watching such things of that nature. That would be interesting to see from this documentary about the IMF and it's role in strengthening Jamaica's economic interests and it's role in poverty reduction.

-Jason


well, actually Jason......the IMF isn't helping their situation at all. the IMF and World Bank have been known to f*k up the economies of developing countries. that is what the documentary is about....how the IMF has been consistently pushing jamaica into a life of debt and exponentially growing debt! by the end of the 1980s, jamaica's debt was $800 million. by the end of the 1990s, it was $4.5 billion! so, the IMF is increasing their poverty on a large-scale, not reducing it. likewise, the IMF and the World Bank are notorious for spreading the 'good word' (?) about globalization and about how it is so great for developing countries to get into the global market. well, globalization is just another form of slavery and is neo-colonialism because the developing countries cannot compete with the global dominators (i.e. USA, Western Europe); hence the developing countries end up borrowing so much money to 'develop' their economy in order to get involved in the global market, that they just fall into a vortex of debt. their exports are never more than their imports.
i saw the movie at the hollywood theater in portland. it is only playing for one week and ends today. however, if you would like to see this movie (or would like it to come to your city,etc) i believe you can contact global exchange (a non-profit org based in sf). do a search online for their website address.

~d

[Fast4Word]

The IMF and the World Bank are tied into the evil vibe. Just like the Enron board members, the Bush Administration, and the board memebers of Mookie (the corporation in Dogma and all of Kevin Smith's movies).

The people have spoken, and there is still this global commercialism evil work going on. If there is such a thing as the devil, he's running all these corporations and dictating his orders to old white haired men, that are in positions to put them into action.

These are just a few things I've noticed about these WTO, IMF, and World Bank orginazations. When the time comes to rise up, I'll do all that's in my power to destroy them.

My dream......................have all corporations destroyed. By that I mean, If they have a CEO, board membership that's soul puprpose is to maximize profit, and evil money hungry intentions, then destroy them.

This may not ever happen, but if it does, then I guess our present government will be destroyed also.

Thoughts of a society based on human interaction and brotherhood rather than money and social stature are beautiful positive vibes, that hopefully come throught in the end.

Some people may argue, get realistic, your living in present time, look around you, you can't change this.

This may be true, but there is hope. And that I have.

Marxism as a whole is good, but when put into effect those top people (cabnet members, ranking officials, board members ect......) still get taken over by the evil energy, and destroy the wholeness of the idea. How to get around that?

You tell me.

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by Fast4Word
The IMF and the World Bank are tied into the evil vibe. Just like the Enron board members, the Bush Administration, and the board memebers of Mookie (the corporation in Dogma and all of Kevin Smith's movies).

The people have spoken, and there is still this global commercialism evil work going on. If there is such a thing as the devil, he's running all these corporations and dictating his orders to old white haired men, that are in positions to put them into action.

These are just a few things I've noticed about these WTO, IMF, and World Bank orginazations. When the time comes to rise up, I'll do all that's in my power to destroy them.

My dream......................have all corporations destroyed. By that I mean, If they have a CEO, board membership that's soul puprpose is to maximize profit, and evil money hungry intentions, then destroy them.

This may not ever happen, but if it does, then I guess our present government will be destroyed also.

Thoughts of a society based on human interaction and brotherhood rather than money and social stature are beautiful positive vibes, that hopefully come throught in the end.

Some people may argue, get realistic, your living in present time, look around you, you can't change this.

This may be true, but there is hope. And that I have.

Marxism as a whole is good, but when put into effect those top people (cabnet members, ranking officials, board members ect......) still get taken over by the evil energy, and destroy the wholeness of the idea. How to get around that?

You tell me.

Let me guess you subscribe to this guy?

http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org

-Jason

[Fast4Word]

Never heard of him, but I'll check it out

[HexRei]

Zupan wrote:

Let me guess you subscribe to this guy?

http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org

Actually, the Christian Coalition and Moral Majority (who undoubtedly are on the same page as this guy) are heavily affiliated with your homies, the conservatives. Sorry, we get the eco-loonies, you get the religio-nuts. Remember?

[tallcan]

the IMF....

nope. despite the fact that it is potentially a great idea, (helping out developing nations is always good, right?) sanctions imposed by the imf often work in a self-defeating fashion. by promoting not only the economic improvement of a nation but also a particular political agenda everyone ends up losing in the long run, if--for a short time--anyone ends up benefitting in the short run..

[RacergirlX]

Originally posted by frisky_kitty
the IMF and the World Bank are notorious for spreading the 'good word' (?) about globalization and about how it is so great for developing countries to get into the global market. well, globalization is just another form of slavery and is neo-colonialism because the developing countries cannot compete with the global dominators (i.e. USA, Western Europe); hence the developing countries end up borrowing so much money to 'develop' their economy in order to get involved in the global market, that they just fall into a vortex of debt. their exports are never more than their imports
~d

And don't forget how the IMF--in league with agribusinesses--has aslo pushed for monocultures in developing countries!

[DJ Rawkus]

I was gonna discuss the protests upcoming in Canada, and then i remembered this is the board and nobody gives a shit about that kinda stuff. :(

[tallcan]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
I was gonna discuss the protests upcoming in Canada, and then i remembered this is the board and nobody gives a shit about that kinda stuff. :(
pretty much.
:rolleyes:

[frisky_kitty]

Originally posted by RacergirlX


And don't forget how the IMF--in league with agribusinesses--has aslo pushed for monocultures in developing countries!

true dat! monoculture agro is horrible. and along with that monoculture is the pressure to use lots o' pesticides, etc. *argh* what to do....

[sonic::bionic]

Originally posted by frisky_kitty



well, globalization is just another form of slavery and is neo-colonialism because the developing countries cannot compete with the global dominators (i.e. USA, Western Europe)
Because we all know how well they've done without globalization.

How does globalization=slavery? Slavery is forcing someone to work for FREE, and the last time I checked, capitalists get paid.

You talk about Jamaica's debt, and blame the IMF and World Bank for poverty. How much of the debt does Jamaica pay back per year? That's the key question that needs to be answered. I think just about every developed country is billions or trillions of dollars in debt, and yet we remain developed. Do you think we're riding on the backs of developing countries or something?

You people talk about corporations like they were founded just to keep the "little man" down. Most corporations started, at one point or another, as an idea by a person (or a few people) to develop a new product, or make a current product and/or manufacturing process better, or to provide a needed service.

Let's see.........capitalist countries have the highest standard of living, the best medical care, the longest life expectancies, the best education, the highest literacy rates, and the lowest birth rates. We also send teachers, doctors, medicine, food, and money to developing/Third World countries FOR FREE. Damn, we're evil.

If I'm missing something, then please, by all means, show me some tangible evidence to the contrary.

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by sonic::bionic
Let's see.........capitalist countries have the highest standard of living, the best medical care, the longest life expectancies, the best education, the highest literacy rates, and the lowest birth rates. ..and the highest gap between social classes, the highest amount of school shootings (great education!!) , the highest amount of mental disorders like depression and low self-esteem, the highest life expectancies slaving for the gov't to benefit, the lowest birth rates becuz many americans don't have decent helath care (unless yer an immigrant and then your ok :rolleyes: ) the lowest amount of spiritual connectedness with each other and with Earth, (and don't tell me 9-11 changed that, it's utter bullshit) and the highest concentration of lying, greedy, fucks in control of making sure things go to their idea of "freedom". We also send teachers, doctors, medicine, food, and money to developing/Third World countries FOR FREE. Damn, we're evil. Yeah, you can wipe that smug grin off your mug now. We send militaries to drop american food, brainwashing pamphlets, and weapons on third world countries. And not for free, it costs the taxpayer. Even the ones who abhor such things. We starve nations so we can have the upper hand and appear to be gracious when "peacekeeping" forces show up and first aid is administered to those who need it. We send teachers to brainwash and corrupt people (they may be teaching English and Math, but it doesn't stop there with the american curriculum) who may live in the dark ages by american standards but have a whole loot of common sense when it comes to survival and the truth of reality. We set up puppet govt's so we can control people beyond our borders and kill any revolution that appears to be a threat to imperialism. We send money to people that agree to help us , and in time of need kick them to the curb, or worse yet, kill them and make them part of the "axis of evil" to justify it. We are no different than Mother England invading the continent of Africa and enslaving millions to do their dirty work.

If I'm missing something, then please, by all means, show me some tangible evidence to the contrary. I can villify my homeland all i want and give 'tangible evidence' until im bleu in the face, and not one of you shall take it as truth. It'll either be 1) "a liberal spin website" 2) "anti-american propaganda". Why waste my time on what i see as evidence when it's only going to be thrown out in the court of my peers? I shall abstain from this thread until somebody shows me otherwise.

[Justin]

Originally posted by sonic::bionic
Because we all know how well they've done without globalization.

How does globalization=slavery? Slavery is forcing someone to work for FREE, and the last time I checked, capitalists get paid.

You talk about Jamaica's debt, and blame the IMF and World Bank for poverty. How much of the debt does Jamaica pay back per year? That's the key question that needs to be answered. I think just about every developed country is billions or trillions of dollars in debt, and yet we remain developed. Do you think we're riding on the backs of developing countries or something?

You people talk about corporations like they were founded just to keep the "little man" down. Most corporations started, at one point or another, as an idea by a person (or a few people) to develop a new product, or make a current product and/or manufacturing process better, or to provide a needed service.

Let's see.........capitalist countries have the highest standard of living, the best medical care, the longest life expectancies, the best education, the highest literacy rates, and the lowest birth rates. We also send teachers, doctors, medicine, food, and money to developing/Third World countries FOR FREE. Damn, we're evil.

If I'm missing something, then please, by all means, show me some tangible evidence to the contrary.

THere is a major difference between our national debt and the debt third world countries owe to the IMF. Our debt is basically owed to ourselves, in the form of treasury bonds. The IMF debt is owed to (duh) the IMF. All the U.S. has to do is pay interest on its debt. Third world countries, indebted to the IMF, must wager aspects of their soveriegnty as colateral. The IMF demands that the nation make structural readjustments in the name of free trade, structual adjustments that we in America would never tolerate.

like: -Privatising the water supply

-Interest rates through the roof [crippling the economy further]

-Discontuing public subsidies of critical private industries -- [ a corallary to our situation: without massive public subsidies of aerospace, we wouldn't have an aerospace industry here. Boieng is moving towards getting a full 60% of its revenue from defense and space contracts]

So why would anyone recieve an IMF loan? Often their back is to the wall, and its a choice between an IMF loan or collapse. And, these structural readjustments do benifit some people of the desperate countries: the rich. They are in the posistion to buy up all the newly privatised industries and commodities. As the rich generally control political structures, they are inclined to move the country in directions benifiting them and their friends.

This isn't about capitalism. Everyone is capitalist now. This is about the IMF.


btw: i know i said I'd stay out of political threads in the future, but hey, I think we all knew I wasn't exactly telling the truth. :D

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by Fast4Word
Never heard of him, but I'll check it out

I was being sarcastic, but this guy speaks in that light.. he uses numerology and a whole bunhc of shit to show how Bush is a part of some WICCA thing or something to that nature.. It's kinda interesting yet disturbing..

Take care,
-Jason

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by HexRei
Zupan wrote:



Actually, the Christian Coalition and Moral Majority (who undoubtedly are on the same page as this guy) are heavily affiliated with your homies, the conservatives. Sorry, we get the eco-loonies, you get the religio-nuts. Remember?

My homies? Libtertarians are my homies..

Well this guy isn't a part of those groups, actually if you read some of the things this guy has written you quickly come to the conclusion that he's no repub supporter.

-Jason

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
..and the highest gap between social classes, the highest amount of school shootings (great education!!) , the highest amount of mental disorders like depression and low self-esteem, the highest life expectancies slaving for the gov't to benefit, the lowest birth rates becuz many americans don't have decent helath care (unless yer an immigrant and then your ok :rolleyes: ) the lowest amount of spiritual connectedness with each other and with Earth, (and don't tell me 9-11 changed that, it's utter bullshit) and the highest concentration of lying, greedy, fucks in control of making sure things go to their idea of "freedom". Yeah, you can wipe that smug grin off your mug now. We send militaries to drop american food, brainwashing pamphlets, and weapons on third world countries. And not for free, it costs the taxpayer. Even the ones who abhor such things. We starve nations so we can have the upper hand and appear to be gracious when "peacekeeping" forces show up and first aid is administered to those who need it. We send teachers to brainwash and corrupt people (they may be teaching English and Math, but it doesn't stop there with the american curriculum) who may live in the dark ages by american standards but have a whole loot of common sense when it comes to survival and the truth of reality. We set up puppet govt's so we can control people beyond our borders and kill any revolution that appears to be a threat to imperialism. We send money to people that agree to help us , and in time of need kick them to the curb, or worse yet, kill them and make them part of the "axis of evil" to justify it. We are no different than Mother England invading the continent of Africa and enslaving millions to do their dirty work.
I can villify my homeland all i want and give 'tangible evidence' until im bleu in the face, and not one of you shall take it as truth. It'll either be 1) "a liberal spin website" 2) "anti-american propaganda". Why waste my time on what i see as evidence when it's only going to be thrown out in the court of my peers? I shall abstain from this thread until somebody shows me otherwise.

Rawkus don't jump!!

sorry.. this post was troll specific rhetoric.

You should probaly take your rant and compare us to places on earth rather than some distant planet's world.

Like many people already know, folks in the anti-captialism movement who want to end globalization and IMF, and the world bank and blah blah are not about dealing with this debate on a rational level instead it's a rhetoric campaign..

Rawkus, no offense.. but you don't have one thing to backup what you say here. You see the evidance??? Instead of spewing fud show us the light.. your pissed off that you sound like a troll, that's becuase it's so far off the deepend here.. you know way out in left field??? If we are all missing the point and the "truth" than you have to show some facts.. For give me but I just don't take the word of mouth routine especially from young radicals who think there doing what's best for all people around them.

-= Jason

[DJ Rawkus]

Thank you for proving my point, Jason. I hope the following thread (http://nwtekno.org/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34677) is enough "tainted evidence" for ya and for whoever else decides to read. ;)

I am anti-american becuz i decide the future of my country and my place in it.
I am not patriotic becuz i choose to burn a desecrated flag and want it to represent it's great meaning again.
I am a socialist becuz i love my homeland enough to criticize it's apparent owners and know who it's rightful ones are. - 2/31/02

[frisky_kitty]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
..and the highest gap between social classes, the highest amount of school shootings (great education!!) , the highest amount of mental disorders like depression and low self-esteem, the highest life expectancies slaving for the gov't to benefit, the lowest birth rates becuz many americans don't have decent helath care (unless yer an immigrant and then your ok :rolleyes: ) the lowest amount of spiritual connectedness with each other and with Earth, (and don't tell me 9-11 changed that, it's utter bullshit) and the highest concentration of lying, greedy, fucks in control of making sure things go to their idea of "freedom".

i actually agree with you, rawkus, on many points. thank you for speaking your 'untainted' mind. i am neither anti-american nor am i a nationalist. i just am. i read. i see. i hear. i think. i formulate my own opinions. i can respect those who do not agree with me, but i have difficulty understanding why so many americans have clouded eyes and cannot see nor want to see/hear what we (i.e. america) are doing to the entire planet--not just the human populace, but the entire biota of living things. its heart-wrenching. ok. i'm going off on a tangent now....but do you see where i'm going???? there is not a single place on this planet that we have not touched (or better yet, destroyed) in some way. we, the united states of america, are on top. we run the world. we control everything. and we like being on top; we like controling everything. we like to be able to wipe out governments and species alike. but you know what?! no one and nothing can stay on top forever. some day, the u.s. of a. will topple and fall from its supremacy. and then where will we be? one of the most hated countries in the world, with polluted communities, etc., and no where to turn. my this looks dismal.

but we can still move on and try to continue the struggle to make our neighborhood and community at-large a better place to be. we can continue to struggle against the fat cats of business and government to make our life more just and humane. but i am not asking anyone to join this struggle. those who have the will to change the world for the better will choose to fight oppression and other maladies of this world.

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by frisky_kitty


i actually agree with you, rawkus, on many points. thank you for speaking your 'untainted' mind. i am neither anti-american nor am i a nationalist. i just am. i read. i see. i hear. i think. i formulate my own opinions. i can respect those who do not agree with me, but i have difficulty understanding why so many americans have clouded eyes and cannot see nor want to see/hear what we (i.e. america) are doing to the entire planet--not just the human populace, but the entire biota of living things. its heart-wrenching. ok. i'm going off on a tangent now....but do you see where i'm going???? there is not a single place on this planet that we have not touched (or better yet, destroyed) in some way. we, the united states of america, are on top. we run the world. we control everything. and we like being on top; we like controling everything. we like to be able to wipe out governments and species alike. but you know what?! no one and nothing can stay on top forever. some day, the u.s. of a. will topple and fall from its supremacy. and then where will we be? one of the most hated countries in the world, with polluted communities, etc., and no where to turn. my this looks dismal.

but we can still move on and try to continue the struggle to make our neighborhood and community at-large a better place to be. we can continue to struggle against the fat cats of business and government to make our life more just and humane. but i am not asking anyone to join this struggle. those who have the will to change the world for the better will choose to fight oppression and other maladies of this world.

We all want what's best, so did muslim extremists.. there will always be people that are out of touch with reality, many people like to take things and blow them out of proportions and indoctrinate young people like yourself to beleive that the sky is falling. Sure there are things to be concerned about, but allowing your emotions control your activism doesn't help at all.. you can feel that sky is falling but without real hard facts your just looked upon as a another extremist radical. Off course there could be some truth to some of the things Rawkus is speaking about but most of it is over sensationalized hype, kinda reminds me of the news media who hammer stories over and over when the story itself isn't that significant to begin with. It's conspiracies, and questionable sources, etc.. seems like allot of people have their full ear to the radical extremists, kinda reminds me of a law and order episode about enviromentalist terrorists. The world gets better as we go, were humans and we learn from past mistakes.


Take care,
-Jason

[sonic::bionic]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
Thank you for proving my point, Jason. I hope the following thread (http://nwtekno.org/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34677) is enough "tainted evidence" for ya and for whoever else decides to read. ;)

Why did you think we fought wars? Why does anybody fight wars?

[sonic::bionic]

Originally posted by dj_doc_mahem

This isn't about capitalism. Everyone is capitalist now. This is about the IMF.
Ok, thanks for the info. If it's true, then the IMF needs quite a few policies changed.

[DJ Rawkus]

I apologize for going off on a tangent earlier. I did not point any evidence as to to the damning behavior of the IMF. I will search for the things i have read recently and post them here.

[frisky_kitty]

Originally posted by ZupanGOD


We all want what's best, so did muslim extremists.. there will always be people that are out of touch with reality, many people like to take things and blow them out of proportions and indoctrinate young people like yourself to beleive that the sky is falling. Sure there are things to be concerned about, but allowing your emotions control your activism doesn't help at all.. you can feel that sky is falling but without real hard facts your just looked upon as a another extremist radical. Off course there could be some truth to some of the things Rawkus is speaking about but most of it is over sensationalized hype, kinda reminds me of the news media who hammer stories over and over when the story itself isn't that significant to begin with. It's conspiracies, and questionable sources, etc.. seems like allot of people have their full ear to the radical extremists, kinda reminds me of a law and order episode about enviromentalist terrorists. The world gets better as we go, were humans and we learn from past mistakes.


Take care,
-Jason

ok. so i first started this thread to discuss the documentary...but obviously no one has taken two hours out of their seemingly busy life to see it. and now, there's talk of muslim extremists and eco-terrorism??? wtf! and jason, the sky is not falling. and yes, there are things to be concerned about, but it seems that no one really cares...or at least that's what i've witnessed first hand from the populace in the 'burbs recently. many people care--just only on a theoretical basis. most people just assume someone else is taking care of it all. and i'm not an extremist--i'm rational. do consider anything that goes against popular thought to be a conspiracy? and you think we learn from past mistakes???? no way. history is repeating itself over and over again. maybe it's time that you go to your local library and check out a book on world history. and as for your ranting about real, hard facts.....well, that was what the documentary was all about! real people, dealing with real problems, brought on by all these rules/stipulations/strings attached kinda dealings with the real IMF, etc. however, since you missed that....i will do my best to give you some website addresses, etc., that have real, hard facts for ya! ;o)

peace

~d

[frisky_kitty]

ok. here are some useful and informative websites. these are only a few as there are many that deal with the IMF/World Bank and globalization, etc.

www.lifeanddebt.org/
--actual website for the documentary

www.ifg.org/
--International Forum on Globalization

www.jubileeusa.org/
--'Drop the Debt' campaign

www.50years.org/

www.gdo.ca/globalization_poor.html
--this site also speaks of the IMF/World Bank meetings where there will be protests no doubt (i believe Rawkus was talking about this).

happy reading!

~d

[frisky_kitty]

Originally posted by sonic::bionic

How does globalization=slavery? Slavery is forcing someone to work for FREE, and the last time I checked, capitalists get paid.


well, if you would've seen the movie, you would have seen something close to slavery. there is this area called the 'free zone' (in Kingston)where companies can come in and basically run a sweat shop. the employees hardly get paid at all--sometimes $30 a week, sometimes not at all (that would mean FREE!). and these employees work under extreme conditions that would not be allowed in the good ol' u.s. of a. these 'free zones' are areas where the product is not really on the land of jamaica, because it is deemed 'free'. hence, products that are assembled there (i.e. hanes her way panties) are not really made in jamaica. they still bear the emblem 'made in america' even though it was assembled/sewn in jamaica!--same things occurs in mexico and other countries for u.s. corps. to me, that seems ridiculous. do we really know where our 'made in america' stuff is made? furthermore, the jamaican government is to the point of slavery. it is held under the bonds of the IMF/World Bank/Corporate chains of America because of the contracts with the IMF, etc. The jamaican government cannot do what is best for the good of the country, they have to do what is best for the good of the IMF/World Bank/ and the corporations of america, globalization, etc. and in order to pay interest on those loans from the IMF & Co., guess what they have to do? yep, cut social programs like education and health care.

[sonic::bionic]

Don't ya think the Jamaican and Mexican governments are just slightly to blame for allowing this to take place? Things like that used to happen in America, too.........but WE PUT A STOP TO IT.

Sometimes, people here in the States don't get paid for work they've done, it doesn't mean it's slavery.

And what are you talking about the Jamaican government is to the point of slavery? What is the IMF going to do if Jamaica doesn't pay? Kill them all? Do you think America would take over Jamaica for non-payment of debt? Who forced Jamaica to enter contracts with the IMF, and who forced them to let factories be built there? Are they autonomous or not? Do you feel sorry for people who get over their heads in credit, and have to keep borrowing money to pay their bills, and eventually have to declare bankruptcy? I sure as hell don't, they're grown men and women who knowingly entered into credit contracts.

[Justin]

Originally posted by sonic::bionic
Don't ya think the Jamaican and Mexican governments are just slightly to blame for allowing this to take place? Things like that used to happen in America, too.........but WE PUT A STOP TO IT.

Sometimes, people here in the States don't get paid for work they've done, it doesn't mean it's slavery.

And what are you talking about the Jamaican government is to the point of slavery? What is the IMF going to do if Jamaica doesn't pay? Kill them all? Do you think America would take over Jamaica for non-payment of debt? Who forced Jamaica to enter contracts with the IMF, and who forced them to let factories be built there? Are they autonomous or not? Do you feel sorry for people who get over their heads in credit, and have to keep borrowing money to pay their bills, and eventually have to declare bankruptcy? I sure as hell don't, they're grown men and women who knowingly entered into credit contracts.

Word to that. I'm kinda sick of other people blaming their own goverments' bad policy decisions on America. (looks to middle east. . .)

[HexRei]

the problem is, many of those countries are underdeveloped nations that are still in dictator/monarchy/tribal state of social evolution.
So the US (or any giant corporation) strolls in, turns to the biggest and meanest of the warlords, and says "hey, ill give you modern technology and pop culture trinkets and weapons and all you have to do is underbid a $1/hr minimum wage!"

And whatr do you think this person, who is most likely not an elected leader of the nation but one that rules by force or religion, is going to do with this offer?

He's gonna take every child too young to have a real job and too old to breastfeed and sweatshop them 24/7. He's going to keep the majority of the profits for himself and become, by his nations standards, even more fabulously wealthy and rich at the cost of his people's standards of living.

Without outside interference of this kind, the nation may well have undergone a social revolution or two a few decades or centuries down the road, perhaps become a democracy even, but via our interference, we've solidified this minor dictator's hold on his nation.

20 or 30 years down the road, someone finally notices all the shady shit this dictator is doing, or maybe he just does something nasty to us, like attacks our ally, or allows drug production, and then the US government throws up its hands and says "gee, we had no idea. we must stop this monster!" and then covertly finances violent revolution in this country at a great cost to their people in lives and resources. And after all the dust settles, the US (or any major corporation) goes and finds the biggest and meanest of the warlords and...