DSL\Cable quotes [Archive]

PulpMind

04-08-2002, 12:14 AM

being as that I used to work for AT&T @Home until they had mass layoffs...
when you get AT&T Broadband / CABLE internet (the only provider really for this area), you shoudl get a free installation, and a good first few months package ~ like 2 months free, or 3-6 months @ $19.95... I believe the standard monthly price is now at $45.95 =P

for DSL, I can't speak for the details, but I believe it's standard to pay $20/20, where $20 is to the phone company, and $20 is to the ISP... and that's for the lowest level of connection (which will be just barely slower than cable... to get something that's consistently faster than cable, you'll probably pay closer to $50-60)...

or something.

really the best way to do it is to work for the ISP for a while, learn how the billing system works, then rig yourself with a free account... then, have the company lay you off so you can collect unemployment for 6-10 months *grin*

Shu'kran,
- Jesiah -

FiberOptic

04-08-2002, 12:25 AM

*fills out online application for Quest*

PinkChik

04-08-2002, 12:35 PM

which would be a better choice? overall, i mean.
dsl or cable?

-- computer illiterate michelle

Star_Dancer

04-08-2002, 12:54 PM

DSL vs Cable. It depends on usage of either.

Using DSL you have a straight connection and can get guaranteed up to xxx speed.

Cable Modem fluctuates based on usage of the grid that you're on.

I may be wrong in this but I don't think so. I prefer DSL because although a bit more expensive I find it to be a bit more reliable and easier to get things like Static IP's and such.

Plus it's a bit easier and faster to troubleshoot than Cable Modems

invis

04-08-2002, 06:29 PM

yes but dsl provisioning (setup) is somewhat lengthy.....i have waited four months before....and it averages a couple to multiple weeks
i have cable because few people in my hood use it the hours i do so the shared bandwidth issue isn't too much concern....plus cable setup is a matter of days vs. weeks.
if you want to use broadband during any 'regular' hours though and are in a place you plan on being at for a while, i'd strongly recommend DSL. i have experienced speeds as bad as a dial up connection during commonly used hours with cable which is hell

supamisty

04-08-2002, 07:45 PM

go to www.dslreports.com

i read that fucking thing every damn day at work cuz ppl always talk mad shit about the company i work for. *laughs*

supamisty

04-08-2002, 07:49 PM

Thanks for the info :P
*fills out online application for Quest*

Qwest... *shudder*

let me tell you one thing. if you get signed up for service, its a REALLY good idea to go on a non-contract plan if they offer any. you may have to pay more in the beginning, but if things go haywire and you have to cancel, you won't be stuck with a huge cancellation fee. i work in the billing dept for a major broadband company. believe me. heh

sothis

04-09-2002, 09:42 AM

what really depresses me is talking in my direct connect anime hubs, and talking to people from sweden, who get t3 access for like, 15 US dollars a month. seriously. the government put a lot into it..makes me jealous as hell, considering i pay what, 45 for my cable modem? which is capped 16k upload... piece of shit

Star_Dancer

04-09-2002, 09:46 AM

What I hate is the fact that some ISP's block VPN traffic... which means if I want to work from home any days, it has to be through dialup to a VPN

Wolff-Kishner

04-09-2002, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by sothis
what really depresses me is talking in my direct connect anime hubs, and talking to people from sweden, who get t3 access for like, 15 US dollars a month. seriously. the government put a lot into it..makes me jealous as hell, considering i pay what, 45 for my cable modem? which is capped 16k upload... piece of shit

lol at&t capped my cable upload at 14k :( and I did a tracer to my friend's server in Seattle cause I was getting a high ping on it. Turns out they have me routed all the way down to San Jose and then back up to Seattle, stopping in SF a couple of times. GRRRRR. But cable vs. dsl i'd say there's really no difference, unless you have to wait for them to lay the dsl lines in your neighborhood.

PulpMind

04-09-2002, 12:50 PM

people are such whiney fucking shits.

consumer-level high-speed internet is still very new technology... both DSL and Cable have only been in major use for the past few years, and there's TONS of bugs still to be worked out.
if you get a high speed service and expect it to work as well as a dial-up, then you're a fucking moron.

of course, most of you aren't old enough to remember the first 10 years of dial-up, where you'd be lucky to have service for more than a couple hours, gaming was a joke, and your customer support was the girlfriend of the guy you made fun of in highschool...

blah. stupid consumers.

Boo,
- Jesi -

Star_Dancer

04-09-2002, 12:53 PM

And it's amusing little people like you that make it so that it's all right for the Telco's to do this kinda thing.

Originally posted by PulpMind
people are such whiney fucking shits.

consumer-level high-speed internet is still very new technology... both DSL and Cable have only been in major use for the past few years, and there's TONS of bugs still to be worked out.
if you get a high speed service and expect it to work as well as a dial-up, then you're a fucking moron.

of course, most of you aren't old enough to remember the first 10 years of dial-up, where you'd be lucky to have service for more than a couple hours, gaming was a joke, and your customer support was the girlfriend of the guy you made fun of in highschool...

blah. stupid consumers.

Boo,
- Jesi -

Headquarters

04-09-2002, 01:25 PM

i remember dialing up to connect to 300 baud BBS's that were very similar to the layout of this board.. you would actually have to watch each line of text print to your screen... anyway....

i just got cable hooked up at my house and it works great. One advantage is that cable is rather new in my area so there aren't very many people who use it around me. So i commonly get up to 1.6mb/s transfer speeds.. I think though if it ever gets to the point where it gets really slow i'd switch to dsl. The cool thing about cable is that it is only 19 bucks a month for the first 6 months. Which is a pretty good deal.

but i've used both cable connections and dsl connections and really can't tell much of a differance so... i guess it just comes down to personal preference.

HexRei

04-09-2002, 01:29 PM

consumer-level high-speed internet is still very new technology... both DSL and Cable have only been in major use for the past few years, and there's TONS of bugs still to be worked out.
if you get a high speed service and expect it to work as well as a dial-up, then you're a fucking moron.

Actually, I expect it to work better than my dialup, and it consistently has. The only real problems I've had with my DSL service over the past 4 years (with 6 different ISP's, and Qwest and Verizon both for line provision) is corporate bullshit issues (installation, billing), mainly with the LEC's.

My experience with @Home was soured a bit because they won't allow you to host a server, throttle your bandwidth, and make it verry difficult to get multiple static IP's. I mean, it's my fucking bandwidth, companies shouldn't pull shit like that.
But then again, some DSL providers do that also.

There are some interesting alternatives to DSL/Cable now, as well. You can get satellite internet up- and downstream now, which is really cool. Also, many places (around Portland at least) have free wireless internet if you have an antennae. I know my area does, anyway.

Wolff-Kishner

04-09-2002, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by PulpMind
people are such whiney fucking shits.

consumer-level high-speed internet is still very new technology... both DSL and Cable have only been in major use for the past few years, and there's TONS of bugs still to be worked out.
if you get a high speed service and expect it to work as well as a dial-up, then you're a fucking moron.

blah. stupid consumers.

Boo,
- Jesi -

Umm first off all the problems what we've been bitching about, has nothing to do with bugs. Our problems are with the carriers, either bad customer support, bad upload rate, or bad routers. I advise you try reading or thinking before you post about how much we whine.

Star_Dancer

04-09-2002, 02:40 PM

The last few posts illustrate it nicely. The technology is sound. There are conflicts and such because most of the systems aren't alive. They aren't alive because then Telco's couldn't stranglehold the market. The problem isn't with the technology... it's with the companies that provide the technology.

invis

04-09-2002, 10:29 PM

There are some interesting alternatives to DSL/Cable now, as well. You can get satellite internet up- and downstream now, which is really cool. Also, many places (around Portland at least) have free wireless internet if you have an antennae. I know my area does, anyway.

the satellite is expensive to set up though....i know ours is multiple hundreds....but, the one guy i talked to that actually had it, swore up and down to me he was getting 8megabit downloads:rolleyes:

wireless is intruguing

edotdj

04-09-2002, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by PulpMind

of course, most of you aren't old enough to remember the first 10 years of dial-up, where you'd be lucky to have service for more than a couple hours, gaming was a joke, and your customer support was the girlfriend of the guy you made fun of in highschool...

*fondly remembers the days of dialing up a 2400 baud modem and connecting to a BBS with his amber monitored 286*

Yep, it was rough. I remember when there would be nothing faster for the consumer than the 14.4 modem. ;) And I remember gettting 2 person deathmatch on oldskool doomstyle. It was neat when it worked for more than 15 minutes.

Star_Dancer

04-10-2002, 07:32 AM

ha! I remember being 9 years old... taking a Basic class, and writing the comm program to connect my Commodore64 and 300 baud modem to local BBS'

jolt'n'jitter

04-10-2002, 07:35 AM

However DSL feels really good on your cock.
oh yeah!

Star_Dancer

04-10-2002, 07:42 AM

I see you've recently discovered Kazaa/Morpheus

Originally posted by jolt'n'jitter
However DSL feels really good on your cock.
oh yeah!

jolt'n'jitter

04-10-2002, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by Star_Dancer
I see you've recently discovered Kazaa/Morpheus

No, I recently have discovered Angelina Galee

Star_Dancer

04-10-2002, 08:08 AM

Your at some bad fake celebrity porn sites my friend.

Originally posted by jolt'n'jitter

No, I recently have discovered Angelina Galee

dislocatedlogic

06-27-2006, 06:50 PM

Bumping this cause I need to know what's out there now and what's good.
Need a decent speed, pretty good reliability for when I'm working wirelessly off my laptop. Living on Capitol Hill, if that makes any difference.
Name your companies of choice and some prices, if you have them.

(Oh, and try to take it easy on the computer speech. My little brain can't take it in large amounts without explanations/definitions.) :)

quickster

06-27-2006, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by jolt'n'jitter
However DSL feels really good on your cock.
oh yeah! hah that just made me spit my wine.:p

OneHundredFifty

06-27-2006, 07:00 PM

Funny. I would've thought that you'd be the type of guy that would swallow.

HexRei

06-27-2006, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by Star_Dancer
DSL vs Cable. It depends on usage of either.

Using DSL you have a straight connection and can get guaranteed up to xxx speed.

Huh? DSL isn't guaranteed speeds. If you want guaranteed bandwidth you need a T1 or fractional T1, at least.

You are no more guaranteed your bandwidth on DSL than you are on cable, they oversubscribe their pipes just as cable providers do.

edit: Oops, I see this is an ooooold thread. I'm sure Charles has figured this out by now.

HexRei

06-27-2006, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by dislocatedlogic
Bumping this cause I need to know what's out there now and what's good.
Need a decent speed, pretty good reliability for when I'm working wirelessly off my laptop. Living on Capitol Hill, if that makes any difference.
Name your companies of choice and some prices, if you have them.

(Oh, and try to take it easy on the computer speech. My little brain can't take it in large amounts without explanations/definitions.) :)

Generally speaking, there is little to no difference to the average email/web surfing user. Unless you do a lot of P2P or provide hosting of upstream services (like running a server of some kind from your home, which I seriously doubt you're doing), go with whatever is cheapest.

dislocatedlogic

06-27-2006, 08:55 PM

No, I'm not hosting a server as of yet, but I am getting into transferring a lot of large video files between my home computer and those at my office over the internet. So I need something that can handle that as quickly and painlessly as possible.

HexRei

06-27-2006, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by dislocatedlogic
No, I'm not hosting a server as of yet, but I am getting into transferring a lot of large video files between my home computer and those at my office over the internet. So I need something that can handle that as quickly and painlessly as possible.

If you're uploading those files from home to the office, you'll need high upload speeds. Residential comcast generally offers 384 or 768kb/s, depending on your tier of service. DSL can potentially offer much higher upload speeds but it tends to cost a lot more to get those high upload speeds.
All this is dependent upon what your local providers are offering, I'd call around to DSL providers and ask for package prices, placing emphasis on upload speeds, as most providers work off the assumption that their customers are most interested in download speeds.
And keep in mind that even 384k/s is ~45kilobytes/second. In more human-usable terms, that means a 20MB video file would take ~6-7 minutes to upload... not too bad.

dislocatedlogic

06-27-2006, 09:09 PM

Thank you much, Petree. :)

SoulKid

06-28-2006, 06:38 AM

I would go with DSL..... check out Speakeasy.net.....

Cedwyn

06-28-2006, 07:17 AM

DSL is vastly superior to cable. vastly. most of the people i know with cable say it goes out all the time, for no real reason at all. you get slow upload speeds and even downloads are almost never as fast as DSL, but that does kinda depend on how close you are to the CO.

we get our DSL line from qwest and use dsl-only.net as our ISP. we pay 50/mo. for the whole thing.

highly recommend it.

Cethe

06-28-2006, 12:33 PM

HexRei

06-28-2006, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by Cedwyn
you get slow upload speeds and even downloads are almost never as fast as DSL, but that does kinda depend on how close you are to the CO.

I've had DSL thru dsl-only.net and yes, they are reliable, but I've also had comcast for about four years now (and actually have had both DSL and cable at the same time) and I've not experienced the service problems you describe. perhaps I've just been lucky, though.
I will say that their customer service and support can be a nightmare. I've moved three times now and brought my comcast with me each time, and they have not yet managed to make the transition a seamless process.
However, the internet service itself has been as reliable as DSL was for me, qwest and verizon have line problems sometimes just like comcast, and they can be just as cagey about admitting them and fixing them.

It's difficult to generalize and say "DSL IS BETTER THAN CABLE" or vice versa, because comcast basically has a near-monopoly with pretty standardized pricing, whereas there are many many different DSL providers with widely varying prices, speeds, and quality of service.