"Ecstacy" on 60 Min. tomorrow

[Klover]

(If there's already a post on this, I'm sorry.)

If you're interested, there is going to be a piece on Ecstacy, Tuesday nite at 9pm on 60 Minutes.

I don't know if I have time and/or can get to a TV then, so everyone let me know what you thought about it.

HUGS

[Tweakster]

where'd u hear about that...im gonna watch that for sure always like to learn new things

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[Klover]

*hmmpph*...my mom told me about it. she told me "to be sure and watch it" so I can be knowledgable and maybe even "help keep my friends be safe". this was while she was cutting out the article from USA today on Ecstacy to give me...(my poor mom, I feel bad that I put her through so much)

[Shaggy]

Just saw a commercial on "Rave Danger" that is on after the Sonics game (I think, didn't catch the time). The commercial was about GHB and was pretty one sided, but would be interesting to watch.....

[186k/sec]

AAHhyeaH!

the Bandwagon is gaining momentum.

the 2000.scene is in morphosis.

should be an interesting summer!

[PowerPuffDiva]

going to watch this now!

Betzle

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[chemical girl]

<monotone reporter voice> with all the drugs out there right now, there are no drugs which have law enfocement officials more worried than...ecstacy.


LMAO

this is great, i highly reccomend it!

-katie

[Snugglez]

Hrmm, same ole coverage about the same ole things. Bah. I watched it with my aunt and she kept yelling at me... "so THAT's were you go?!? Damn hissy!" Now I'm upset. images/smilies/frown.gif

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[SweetiE]

Heh heh heh
*does the I met that guy dance*
Dancesafe on National Television eh. I wonder if my parents will make the connection if they watch that....*waits for phone to ring*

So once again the evils of raving are televised. There ya go. *grin* Keeps all those 'normal' people out of the scene, ya?

*grin*


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[BunnE]

I just got done watching it and it was pretty funny. Nothing like seeing people ya know on the show. =0) Go Emanuel!!!

Anyone elses jaw drop when she picked up those 2 huge bags of E by the machine that made 300 pills a minute! OMG!!!

BunnE

[Speed~Liquid]

I know! I saw those bags and my mouth started to water. Holy Shit. I would do anything to be able to be in that room for an hour.
Abut the show though.....it was obvious that it was against E but I really didn't hear them lie about anything. Well see ya later.
-Speed

[chemical girl]

it was definitely cool to see emanuel on there, but the *best* part of the show was when they talked about the generation of Ecstacy users becoming a generation of depressed adults. Is he suggesting we don't already have that?

Hey kiddies
next time you decide to go out raving, be sure to avoid ALL drug paraphenelia. that means pacifiers, anything that glows, CANDY (the kind you eat of course) and of course DO NOT be friendly to those around you-don't want any of those undercovers to think you're on drugs! <grin>

-katie


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[Sugar]

I thought it was good.. tho.. I dont know many if any people at all that have taken 5 pills at one time.. dont get me wrong.. I know it happens.. but I am not aware of any of my friends taking that many at one time..

I understand that they are trying to discourage any one who hasnt tried it from trying it.. but being someone who HAS tried it.. It seems so one sided...

suppose you didnt go to parties.. and you didnt do drugs.. I feel that the program would have been pretty informative.. but thats just me... *shrugs*

and I have to agree.. those bags of E... oh my goodness... *evil evil grin*

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A little sugar never hurt anyone.
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[ToasTy]

Uh.. I want to bitchslap that undercover cop. Glowsticks may be annoying, but they aren't paraphanalia, and not everyone who has glowsticks or suckers is using E. And the dissing on Dancesafe, well fuck you too, mainstream media. Jee, I now no longer wonder why I never watch TV. And the "overdose" death, did anyone check the bloodstream to see if any other drugs than MDMA were present, and did anyone check to see if he was dehydrated? Fuck, the boy took about 5 pills, what if one or more of them was DXM along with MDMA, that combination can kill, but I'd say that death was probably hyperthermia (and probably related to not taking enough water), 5 pills is dumb, but that just overhypes how dumb it is.

[Catalyst]

I'm disgusted.

[Elroy]

Comments:

1. I found it ammusing the way they gave the high of e such high praise. The one kid was like "It is the best feeling ever", or something. I thought it was odd that they would actually air that... because it seems as though it would encourage people who haven't tried it, to do so.

2. It was well balanced, EXCEPT for the fact that they didn't talk to anybody who is an advocate, or "happy" user of the drug. They talked to a kid who USED to like e, until his best friend died, and they talked to the dancesafe guy, who was neutral... and those were the the closest they got. They TALKED anout the people who think e has no downsides, and put words and thoughts into their mouths. I think journalistically, that was the biggest flaw.

3. The undercover cop was a stupid fuck-head. Especially when talking about dancesafe. He said something like "Would you want your daughter to have her pill tested, or would you want a person to call you, and tell you that your daughter was wanting to take a pill?". What a stupid ass! Would your daughter take a pill to somebody that was going to call you, and tell you that she had it? I hate morons like him, who miss the point entirely.

[SubwyJoe]

CHECK IT OUT KIDS
http://cbsnews.cbs.com/now/story/0,1597,188049-412,00.shtml

This is my opinion (if anyone cares)... if lawmakers wish to enforce laws lessen the growing rate of x related deaths, why don't they enforce safety regulations? It makes me sick that such "venues" like NAF refuse to give free water. Most of the 40 x related deaths have been due to dehydration, while 9 have occured in the Seattle area alone. Most of us have seen those ridiculous ads on television. "See Jane... See Jane Die..." And while those 40 deaths within the last 3 years can't be called "rare", ecstacy definitely does not equate to death.

The undercover cop exaggerated BIG TIME when informing America that "80% of the people in the clubs where he went undercover were either selling or doing ecstacy". His comparison of ecstacy to heroin or coke is definitely inaccurate. Your body doesn't physically depend on X... I haven't heard of one case of medically determined X addiction...

What I do believe is that 30% of the supposed "E" pills are not actually ecstacy. It's a phenomenon really... the pills are expensive, therefore everyone is out to profit from them. The trade is uncontrollable... think of it... every minute thousands and thousands of e pills are being born in Amsterdam!

I'm bored. G'night.

~Trystan

[Misha]

Some of those pills were huge! Like quadruple stacked. My goodness.. and that machine that made 300 pills a minute! Amazing.

I didn't like the report, though. I thought it was done poorly and the researcher guy they interviewed didn't know what the hell he was talking about.

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[sheldon]

heres a itty bitty quote from ol' micky finn regarding media involvment in the english scene....

". . . the media coverage which advertised exactly what was going on at the masses. Those who didn't know could read all about it in the newspapers with headlines like 'Ecstacy Airport', they'd read about drugs that make you happy and keep you up all night, and think 'yeah, thats a bit of me that is, I wanna try that' . . . "

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[EvulSpeakerGurl]

well.. that report didnt piss me off as much as reports *usually * do.

that guy all talking about his friend dieing SO looked like he wasent sure on if he was going to do it again or not.

and in my opinion he just looked stoned. LOL

*shrugs*

o yah.. and that room of pills.. anyone wanna fly over there, raid the room, and come back to seattle ?? images/smilies/smile.gif




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[steve]

lets see...so when he's working undercover busting pot smokers...does he look for paraphenelia such as...a bag of potato chips?

[meej]

they talked to dancesafe in SF for much of this story.

it was supposed to air last week, but got bumped by elian.

marijane

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[girlEgirl]

LOL

My parents and my friends got into a fairly heated discussion about the piece. Grrrrrr.

After seeing all of those pills I think I need a cigarette.


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Fuck education I want wellfare!

[186k/sec]

Sbwyjoe's right.

When the fuck will our government submit they have lost the enldless war on drugs - & the demand keeeps growing!

Regulate it-
TAX it-
& use the $ to Educate users (& potential users 10yr.olds - I guess)
Provide free treatment.

(imprisoning the innocent helps nobody)

- YOU CANT STOP ROCK & ROLL! -A.Freedman

[RageDizzer]

Just as a note I have studied media fo rthe last two years. And this story was ran because of a successful series of stories ran over the last few weeks by news papers. Including USA Today. This is the begining of Backlash. The adult world of ex-hippies are jealous of success and will now use their adult power to destroy everything they can. Until they get a rise out of us.

yeah.

On a happy note HI EVERY ONE!!


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[A D I D A S]

That seriousally pissed me off. They had no real evidence or material to make that show, just studies that "suggest the possibility of..." and people other than our government making lots of money off of drugs.

A few misleading things they said that made me upset: (I don't remember exact words or numbers)

something like 20 partie kids in FL died while using E... how many of those also dies while smoking? they NEVER said these kids were/may have been on other drugs that caused them dying.

Ya, that kid took 5 pills and got a high feaver. Its not good to take 5 pills, just as its not good to pop a whole bottle of asprin. But theres tons of warnings about how much asprin to take, what not to mix it with, so u generally don't hear of anyone dying on it. but our government doesn't want to inform our kids about what drugs not to mix and keep them safe...

Like what they said bout dance safe, which is a awesome organization, that informs, helps, teaches people about how to be safe. They talked shit about them testing pills "ya, maybe they have saved some lives.... but I'd rather have someone take thier pills then test them" well we kids are smart enough not to hand our pills to someone who will take them... ARGH.

At least the USA today article talked about how unlike a lot of street drugs, people who use E are non-violent, theres very little, if any crime associated with it, its non addictive (chemically) ect... and they gave more solid info... unlike the show where some guy said when asked about how long these side effects may last ff one use "I think a long time"

The main reason why this bullshit story makes me upset is all these partie kids parents will hear a cop saying "I think 80% of these kids are selling or using E... ...lightsticks are parafanillia just like a crack pipe" and freak out, and not let thier kids go out anymore... its sad. would they rather have thier kids go out with friends and drink? I knew 3 peopel who got hit by a drunk driver here in tacoma last week. 1 died, 1 is still in the hospital, one has 30 stiches in his head. alcohol causes so many deaths, is so wide spread, but because the TV stations get money from them advertising and the government get tax $, all the blame is put on the people drinking, poor education, not the people who make or sell alcohol,
ok, I've talked alot... I just wish most of our country wasn't so stupid to buy into everyhitng they hear on TV and let everyone else think for them...
Be safe, educate yourself,

~Steve

[antiplur superstar]

the fact the officer had the gaul to compare E to crack and heroin pissed me off. Also the out right ignorance to say all the drugs are the same. No drug is the same as an other. They all have different adverse affects as well as different highs. Good God ppl get your misinformation right. Propoganda is extremly damaging b/c if some seeing and believing that were to take E and think the effects of the drug to be not so bad they might inturn believe that the other hardcore drug to be not so bad. That is why substances like pot are gate way drugs. All the these stupid propogandist put all drugs on the same level when they aren't. So what happens when a kid who's bought into this mentality tries the low end drugs like weed? They begin to think all drugs are as benign as weed. Then they quickly escalate through the ranks. When will these ppl learn that the truth is scary enough with out having to make up lies. Scare tacktics are not what's going to win the war on drugs, the truth will.

I thought that glowsticks made it onto the list of paraphenelia. LOL

Depressed adult? We don't need drugs for that. I bet the pharmaceutical comanies were drooling at the chin when they heard that. "Yes a whole generation of lithium, valium, and prozac addicts. We'll make a killing."

20 E ralated deaths in Fl. in the past 3 years. That's all? Now how many do you think die from alcohol related deaths each year? I'd bet a hell of a lot more. I think the USA today article was better. It seemed to be less inflamitory.

$.02

j@v-E "the jEster"

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[bassbin]

60 Minutes would like to thank you all for boosting their neilsen ratings one full notch.

Year after year, these reports come out. The story is always extremely biased and meant to raise negative hype. I remember the first year that the 20/20 raves report was aired (i.e. "We must stop the raves!"). 20/20's fax number was broadcast through newsgroups and irc. The number had to be changed a couple times through the day because so many people were faxing their side of the story.

I used to get hyped up and pissed at media coverage. But then I thought about it. Seeing how unresearched and superficial reports are about subjects I am involved with, forces me to question the validity of reports on other subjects.

Maybe the President doesn't really exist, and Elvis is dead.

[S p u n]

The adult world of ex-hippies are jealous of success and will now use their adult power to destroy everything they can.

you're trying to be funny, right?

bitter, bitter hippies...

[Jinger]

I have to say that since I joined the board and got info from other party kids and Dancesafe all that information has lessened my drug use and made me more responsible. I am so sick of hearing how Dancesafe encourages drug use. That is such BULLSHIT!

[Happy Tripper]

That piece was essentially a piece of shit. But then again, what do you expect from 60 minutes? All of their stories are usually hyped up and biased.

The only thing I got from it was that "according to new studies", E causes permanent brain damage. This wasn't true the last time I read up on E at Erowid. I believe I'm going to be doing some more reading.

Acid is better in SO many ways.



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[groovinkim]

60 Minutes would like to thank you all for boosting their neilsen ratings one full notch.


i thought the way nielsen stuff worked
was that your family was contacted to do
it and was aware that they were being
tracked.

so unless one of the dancers posting
to this thread is a nielsen house, it
wouldn't make a difference.

i see your point, though.

[groovinkim]

So once again the evils of raving are televised. There ya go. *grin* Keeps all those 'normal' people out of the scene, ya?

reports like that, rather than keeping
'normal' people out, encourage drug abusers
and people looking just to get high to
attend.

thank you 20/20 and 60 minutes for encouraging even more drug abuse.

'ecstasy is sooooo good. it's the best
drug i've ever done in my life. but i'll
never do it again. but oh wow, it's soooo amazing. everything feels good'

all the need is a 1-900-4-XTC phone number after that statement, it would make a great
commercial.

[groovinkim]

Abut the show though.....it was obvious that it was against E but I really didn't hear them lie about anything.

here are some examples of techniques that
were used during the report..

- blurring the faces of the dancers at
the events the way 'america's most wanted'
would blur the faces of a hardened criminal.. trying to make them look 'bad'

- having a boy whose friend died speak at
length about ecstasy, yet not having any
comments from people who have been using
it for years and haven't seen any bad
effects on themselves/others

- having the cop talk about what he'd want 'his daughter' to do.. implying that
all ecstasy users are children.. using
the 'save the children' tactic to freak
parents out

- saying that '40 deaths' were 'attributed'
to ecstasy which is blatantly false

- admitting that dehydration/heat exhaustion causes most ecstasy 'overdoses', yet not making any constructive comments about what could be done by people throwing the events/users to make that danger lessen

- showing emmanuel's pill testing and ignoring everything else that dancesafe does

i'm surprised that you didn't notice any
of that..

[groovinkim]

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Not Making the Grade, Says Study
Scientists and Physicians Cite Inaccurate and Sensationalistic Health Reporting

New York, NY, April 2000—The CBS newsmagazine 60 Minutes received a substandard grade for its reporting on
medical treatments and alleged health threats, according to a study released today by the American Council on Science
and Health (ACSH), a public health watchdog group. Overall, the study, in which 22 three-person scientific and medical
panels analyzed 97 program segments that aired on 60 Minutes from 1978 to 1995, gave 60 Minutes a "C" for the
accuracy, objectivity, and fairness of its reporting.

ACSH President Dr. Elizabeth M. Whelan noted: "Millions of viewers put their trust in 60 Minutes and in its reporting.
With any broadcast, CBS has a responsibility to present the facts in clear, objective manner, but this responsibility grows
exponentially when the reporting in question relates to matters of health and safety." According to Dr. Whelan, "The 60
Minutes segments reviewed in the ACSH study ranged in quality from egregiously misleading to excellent, accurate
reports."

Dr. William M. London, the lead author of the study commented: "The scientific reviewers who performed the study cited
clear misstatements or falsehoods in 46 out of the 97 segments reviewed." Dr. London identified the best and worst
health-related 60 Minutes segments in the latest issue of ACSH magazine Priorities for Health, which is available online
(http://www.acsh.org).

The study identified the following common errors in 60 Minutes' reporting:

Omission of a balancing viewpoint or scientific perspective (33 segments)
Omission of relevant quantitative data (34 segments)
Sensationalism or hype (32 segments)
Errors of implication (29 segments)
Unsupported assertions (28 segments)
Over-reliance on anecdote (21 segments)
Omission of principles of data evaluation (19 segments)

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and physicians, experts who serve on ACSH's scientific advisory panel. ACSH publishes reports on issues pertaining to
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[SweetiE]

This was sent to the dancesafe list, I thought you all might enjoy a pretty good arguement for our side as it were.


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To: dancesafe@egroups.com
From: honeyrain@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:25:40 EDT
Subject: [dsafe] letter to 60 Minutes

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Here's a letter to 60 Minutes that I thought I'd share. (No, I didn't write
it....)
love, Tracy
DanceSafe Seattle

Regarding Vicki Mabrey's recent report on Ecstasy.

I'm a 24-year-old former journalism student employed full-time in
information technology, and I have a reasonable amount of disposable income.
As such, I assume I would be considered to belong to a desireable
demographic. Before I explain why CBS and 60 Minutes has lost one member of
that demographic, I would first like to thank you for including the comments
from DanceSafe founder Emanuel Sferios. Too often the opposing viewpoints
are lost in reports on controversial topics.
Unfortunately, the overall tone of the piece seems to be yet another
symptom of the news media's voracious quest for hype and sensationalism. The
report, full of factual inaccuracies and distortions, is an excellent
example of why your program is condemned by the scientists and health
professionals of the American Council on Science and Health. For example,
Ecstasy (MDMA or it's related substances) is never in a liquid form at room
temperature. The large container of fluid shown by the Dutch official was
either a precursor chemical or the unrelated drug, GHB. Furthermore,
neurotoxicity is not an accepted fact among the scientific community. The
only study to conclude that MDMA causes long-term neurotoxcity, conducted at
John Hopkin's and funded by the National Institute of Drug Abuse, is
considered laughable by many scientists. It is an example of science at its
worst, failing to eliminate the contribution of outside factors and drawing
conclusions based on statistically insignificant differences in brain
activity.
Your report could have been amusing in a "Reefer Madness" kind of way,
were it not for the very real damage done by this type of pseudo-journalism.
By providing little useful information, it increases the panic of parents
and the curiousity of teens. It makes it less likely that teens will turn
to their parents for advice on drug-related issues, and enourages teens to
make any use they may be involved in more covert. By likening Ecstasy to
crack and heroin, it perpetuates the failed strategy of the DARE program,
which teaches that all drugs are equally dangerous. By eliminating any
criteria teens might use to make choices and distinguish between substances,
DARE graduates are at greater risk of using harder drugs and developing drug
abuse problems.
Yes, Ecstasy has risks, but so do all drugs. Even Aspirin can be lethal.
The trendy drug of 1999, Viagara, is a known killer of people with certain
medical conditions. But media sensationalism and crackdowns by law
enforcement exponentially increase the risks to users. Increased legal
penalties increase potential profits for criminals like Sammy "The Bull."
They also mean that the drug will be provided by unreliable sources who
exercise no quality control over their product. Since media hype increases
teen interest in the drug, and law enforcement efforts decrease supply, the
likelihood of dangerous adulterants grows. It doesn't take a background in
economics to figure out that decreasing supply only increases prices and
criminal interest, and does nothing to decrease demand.
I'm not condoning the use of drugs by teens, but it would seem more
logical to regulate substances like Ecstasy, rather than demonizing them.
High school students find it harder to obtain legal drugs like alcohol (a
known neurotoxin), and nicotine (which negatively effects many internal
organs) than illegal drugs, and they find it almost impossible to obtain
prescription drugs without a prescription. As such, regulation or
medicalization are far more effective at reducing teen drug use. Ecstasy
was a prescription drug prior to 1985, and was of great value to many
psychotherapists. Most tellingly, there were no reported Ecstasy-related
deaths prior to its scheduling, and still, despite legislation, the risks of
Ecstasy seem relatively benign in comparison to the hundreds of thousands
killed each year by legal drugs. If drugs like Viagara were provided without
precautions and directions, of course we would expect an increase in
fatalaties. Due to its relatively low potential for creating dependence, its
ability to help users resolve psychological and interpersonal issues, and
the socially integrated behavior it enables, Ecstasy will not disappear. If
we truly want to decrease Ecstasy-related deaths, we would seek to educate
users as to the risks and the caution they should exercise when they take
the drug. The comments from the undercover police officer regarding the
strategies employed by DanceSafe were especially sickening. If groups like
DanceSafe were to actually call parents, teens would not seek potentially
life-saving information from these groups. It is exceptionally discouraging
that we would rather drug users die from a lack of information rather than
sacrifice ineffective laws and attitudes founded on little more than moral
righteousness. This is especially horrifying when we consider that Ecstasy
users are found among our work colleagues, friends and family.

Sincerely,
Jovian Francey

P.S. I'm quite willing to provide you with references for the information in
the aboved comment. Should you ever televise a report on the unobjective
science paid for by NIDA, or on the failure of the DARE program, or even a
retraction of some of the more offensive distortions in Mabrey's report, I
would be happy to resume watching 60 Minutes II and CBS.

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