Got to get this off my chest.

[rising]

Hey all- yeah the sabotage sucks blah blah blah- I am sik of hearing it. Is anybody enjoying the scene as much as I am? Must so many people attend these parties and then cry about it afterward and critique every fucking aspect? Seriousely- any of you who are so high on themselves and think they know what a party should be becuase you've been doing it for x amount of years- Fuck Off- because you'll never have a great time.
Maybe the novelty of the parties and the drugs has worn off and you're trying to find something more meaningful within this scene.
Take a fucking break for christ's sake.
There are a lot of you who are missing the point completely and you need to find yourself first because obviously you are using this to define who you think you are.
All in all- it's just entertainment- that's it- the fact is- the majority of people that
take part in this scene are very kind.
But' yah can't have a social scene without people. So, have a good time and enjoy yourselves- don't worry about the negative crap-it's got nothing to do with you and you can't control it. And don't worry about the scene- It won't collapse because of a few stupid kids who took too much whatever or because of some jacked media bullshit. And it won't miss you!
That felt fucking great!
Feel free to reply but be careful not to contradict yourself.

[groovinkim]

i don't think people are missing the point
because they see something in 'rave' that is more than entertainment.

music and dance has been sacred to humanity for thousands of years.

i also don't see how anyone who gives a shit could just ignore bad things going on as if they don't matter. i think taking the "that's not my problem" stance on it is very common in our society & that's part of the reason things are so fucked up in it.

[Jinger]

I think there is something much more meaningful in raving. Dancing to me is very spiritual. I think it is up to us also to try to make things better! Reviewing a party is a good thing, it lets promoters know what they can change and future promoters ideas for what the people want. Interaction between party throwers and party goers is important.

I do have to say that the "I am so much more cooler than you or this person or newbies or kandy kids" attitude makes me fucking sick. We are all here together, why not help each other learn from each other to better the scene?

[rising]

I am not saying that there's nothing meaningful with raving- I just see a lot of heads that have nothing else going for them.
And they continue to bitch.
Misha-you-re right, there are people that take part in the scene, but the majority of the people who are supporting this merely attend them.
So- what are you all gonna do about these little things that happen.
You all have a tendency to relate this to something that it doesn't even resemble.
And I am saying that, what's the point in going to these events all the time and then
critiquing every damned aspect. It's fucking bullshit! Too many times have I ran into kids (at the raves mind you)that are so high, and they try to whine out some legit claim that the scene is crumbling- and they are sitting there decked out in some "raver" gear- but they are barely able to open their eyes. So don't get me wrong- I did't say that
their is nothing real about the scene that I love. I am just saying that instead of concentrating on shit that happens that's out of your hands-forget it and move on. You never know who's gonna decide to vandalize, or steal. Nothing is gonna change- it's gonna be up to you to find the positive aspects, and ignore the bad which will always be there. Because as long as there has been music and dance, there has been myschief, thoughtlessness, crime, and everything else that comes with population-
even death.

[groovinkim]

i agree that it's important to attempt to
have a positive outlook on events (and life in general).. but i do not agree that ignoring the bad is healthy or beneficial
to yourself or anyone else.

[steve]

"you're trying to find something more meaningful within this scene... There are a lot of you who are missing the point completely... All in all- it's just entertainment- that's it..."

"Feel free to reply but be careful not to contradict yourself."

"I am not saying that there's nothing meaningful with raving... So don't get me wrong- I did't say that their is nothing real about the scene"

[Misha]

Seriousely- any of you who are so high on themselves and think they know what a party should be becuase you've been doing it for x amount of years- Fuck Off- because you'll never have a great time.

So what is your point with that? That no one knows what a party should be? Or that only newer people know? Everyone's idea of what a great party is is different. I know what I think makes a great party and if I go to an event that's less than good and choose to write a review, I'm not going to front and act like I had a swell time, just because it's a rave. Promoters need to hear what people didn't like, as well as what the did like. That's how parties will get better.


Maybe the novelty of the parties and the drugs has worn off and you're trying to find something more meaningful within this scene.

I've always been looking for something meaningful within this scene; I've always been looking for something meaningful, period. I didn't start going just to do drugs and be accepted.

All in all- it's just entertainment- that's it

Many people (myself included) don't see the scene as purely entertainment. It's their life. People devote themselves to the music, throwing good events, DanceSafe, etc.

I agree with Kim- just sitting back and accepting things, just so you don't sound "whiney" or like an elitist isn't the way to deal with things. You shouldn't just accept things for how they are. If people just sat back and accepted things we'd still have segregation and women's only roles would be mother & wife.

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-<3-,
Misha

.. when i need to wipe my face i use the back of my hand
.. and i like to take up space just because i can
.. and i use my dress to wipe up my drink
.. i care less and less what people think

- 'dilate' ani difranco

[antiplur superstar]

Must so many people attend these parties and then cry about it afterward and critique every fucking aspect?
it's just entertainment

If it's just entertainment and if I'm going to pay upwards of $30 dollars to get in then I feel I have every rigt to critique the party at will. After all wouldn't you complain if you payed $7.50 to see a bad movie with poor audio in an unclean theater. If patrons pay they have the right to complain if certain standards aren't met. This also helps others in the future avoid bad production companies that put on poor shows or show no respcet to the party goers.



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[squeak]

"I just see a lot of heads that have nothing else going for them"

er, i wouldn't think that this is unique to rave culture or anything.

*shrug*

[TrippEVixen]

wow angel! you took the words right out of my mouth! images/smilies/smile.gif

[girlEgirl]

That was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.


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Fuck education, I want welfare!

[rudiegirl]

rising:
maybe you miss the point of the board. Most of us love parties, yes, and we take the bad with the good. But we also want to try and make it better. We want to have a forum where we can discuss things that go wrong (and believe it or not, it DOES happen, more often than most of us would like) and try to do what we can to make sure it doesn't happen again. It is called taking ownership of your scene. Even you can't pretend that everything in the scene is perfect and there is nothing that needs fixing. And even you can see how good things could become even better. I see nothing wrong in discussing things with this aim in mind.
There are two kinds of ravers: Those who show up to be entertained, and go back to their humdrum lives during the week, not letting the rave into their lives. They go on Saturdays and become an "insta-raver", don candy, phat pants, whatever, start preaching "PLUR" and dropping E, and all in all trying to fit in. When the rave is over, they go home, take off their candy and clothes, forget about PLUR, forget about the party, the people, the culture, until the next time they are bored or they want to get high. They don't care that the party costs $30, they don't care that the sound is shitty, they don't care that some kid od'd ten feet from them, and they don't care that their apathy is fucking up the scene for everyone.
Then there is another kind of raver. One who finds out about parties, knows djs and promoters and venues and cares about the scene. This kind of raver will go to a party because he/she wants to, because they like the vibe or the djs, and not because it is simply the only thing to do at 2 in the morning on a Saturday night. This kind of raver cares when promoters use the same nasty venues over and over. This kind of raver cares when young kids od repeatedly and they can't go to a party without seeing the ambulance. This kind of raver stays a raver throughout the whole week, listening to the music, talking to the people, trying to make the scene better. This kind of raver can not sit around and watch something they care about go completely to shit without getting up and doing something.
So maybe it sounds like complaining.
So maybe it sounds like whining.
So don't listen.

There are two kinds of ravers... which one are you? Those of us that
cry about it afterward and critique every fucking aspect
and those of us that are
so high on themselves and think they know what a party should be becuase you've been doing it for x amount of years
...we will keep on worrying about the "negative crap" so that the first kind of raver...the oblivious apathetic one who comes to be entertained, not to participate in a community... can continue in his/her deluded little world.
don't worry about the negative crap-it's got nothing to do with you and you can't control it.
the "negative crap" has something to do with us because it is happening in our community. We should all take ownership of our community and respond to what is happening in it, rather than sit back and watch stuff happen.
And yes, we can control it. I mean really, do you want someone else to be in control? Do you want the media to be in control? Or do you want to get off your ass and take control yourself?
~angel~

[steve]

rudiegirl/angel: fuckin exactly. beautifully said.

[tusami]

Steve, have you ever thought about law school? Very observational of you.

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