The Israeli Spy Ring Scandal

[Effendi]

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"Israel does not spy on the United States of America."
-- Mark Regev, a spokesman at the Israeli embassy in Washington

Prior to 9/11, the FBI had discovered the presence of a massive spy ring inside the United States run by the government of Israel. This seems a harsh gratitude from a nation which obtains 10% of its annual budget from the American taxpayer, $3+ billion a year. Over the years, American taxpayers have been required to send Israel more than four times what the US spent to go to the moon.

What Israel has done in return was to set up government subsidized telecommunications companies which operate here in the United States. One of these companies is Amdocs, which provides billing and directory assistance for 90% of the phone companies in the USA. Amdocs' main computer center for billing is actually in Israel and allows those with access to do what intelligence agencies call "traffic analysis"; a picture of someone's activities based on a pattern of who they are calling and when. Another Israeli telecom company is Comverse Infosys, which subcontracts the installation of the automatic tapping equipment now built into every phone system in America. Comverse maintains its own connections to all this phone tapping equipment, insisting that it is for maintenance purposes only. However, Converse has been named as the most likely source for leaked information regarding telephone calls by law enforcement that derailed several investigations into not only espionage, but drug running as well. Yet another Israeli telecom company is Odigo, which provides the core message passing system for all the "Instant Message" services. Two hours before the attacks on the World Trade Towers, Odigo employees received a warning. Odigo has an office 2 blocks from the former location of the World Trade Towers.

Let us be clear here. There is nothing benign about Israel spying on the United States. When Jonathan Pollard stole our nuclear secrets (which your taxes paid to develop) and sent them to Israel, Israel did not hesitate to trade those secrets to the USSR in exchange for increased emigration quotas.

The implication of these facts is that the billions of our tax dollars sent to Israel (while women and children sleep in America's alleys and eat out of trash bins) have bought and paid for a monstrous phone tracking and phone tapping system that can eavesdrop on almost any phone call in America. Even the White House phones were open to such tapping by listening in on the other end outside the White House itself.

This actually happened. The Ken Starr report on Whitewater describes how Bill Clinton informed Monica Lewinsky that their phone sex conversations had been recorded. At the same time, Clinton ordered the FBI to cease the hunt for an Israeli mole known to be operating inside the White House itself!

So here we have a foreign nation able to listen in on most phones at will, using taps that cannot be found because they are built into the phone system itself, and willing to use the information gleaned from those calls to blackmail Americans into any desired course of action. This may well be what Ariel Sharon meant when he stated that the Jewish people control America.

That the information gleaned from these phone taps is being used to coerce the behavior of key individuals in the US Government and media is illustrated by the manner in which the government and the media have handled this scandal of the largest spy ring ever uncovered inside the United States, and of phone taps on all of our phones. They are downplaying it. Actually, burying it is a better word.

Fox News, alone of all the media, actually ran the story as a four part broadcast, and put the story up on its web site. Then, without explanation, Fox News erased the story from their web site and have never mentioned it again. CNN followed by "Orwellizing" their report of the two hour advance warning of the WTC attacks sent to Odigo employees. But far more telling is the admission made by a US Official in part one of the Fox News report that hard evidence existed linking the events of 9/11 not to Arab Muslims, but to some of the more than 200 Israeli spies arrested both before and after 9/11, but that this evidence had been CLASSIFIED.

Since then, any and all mention of the Israeli spy ring and phone tapping scandal has resulted in a barrage of shrill screams of "hate" and "anti-Semite", two well worn and frankly over used devices to try to silence discussion on any topic unfavorable to the nation which owns the spy ring in question.

The story of the uncovering of the largest spy ring ever discovered inside the United States should be the story of the century, if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people. That this spy ring helped drug smugglers evade investigators should be a major scandal, if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people. That the spy ring includes companies able to track and tap into any phone in America, including the White House, should be a cause celebre', if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people.

But they are not. The media is trying to bury this story. They are spiking it, erasing it from their web sites in a chilling real-life Orwellian rewriting of history.

The actions of the US media are those of people trying to protect this spy ring and those that the spy ring worked for.

The actions of the US media are those of traitors to the American people.

[Effendi]

The Bush administration has sharply criticized Israel's latest attack on a densely populated neighborhood in the Gaza Strip, calling it a "heavy handed action that will not contribute to the peace."

In a mission termed by one Israeli general as a "precision attack," an Israeli F-16 fighter plane dropped a 1,000-lb bomb in an attempt to assassinate a single man, Hamas leader Sheik Salah Shehadeh, who was responsible for a series of suicide attacks in Israel. The Israeli attack, initially hailed as "one of our major successes" by President Ariel Sharon, killed the Hamas leader. But fourteen other people, including nine children, the youngest of whom, Dina Mattar, was two months old, were also killed. Shifa Hospital in Gaza reported that 140 people were injured, 7 seriously. The bomb destroyed five buildings, reducing an area the size of half a city block to rubble.

It is time to cut off the flow of weapons to Israel, which is the top recipient of U.S. military aid at $3 billion a year. According to a November 2001 Congressional Research Service report, "Israel: U.S. Foreign Assistance," American aid to Israel in the past half century has totaled a whopping $81.3 billion. The F-16 fighter plane used in the attack was manufactured in the United States by Lockheed Martin and is one of more than 200 F-16s in the Israeli arsenal. They have another 106 on order from the Maryland-based manufacturer. Given that Israel is one of the United States' largest arms importers, it should be investigated whether the 1,000-lb bomb is from the U.S. as well.

The U.S. Arms Export Control Act prohibits U.S. weapons from being used for non-defensive purposes. And there is nothing defensive about dropping a 1,000-lb bomb on a densely populated neighborhood in order to kill one man. Given Israel's violation of U.S. law and the subsequent killing of innocent civilians, it is time for President Bush to take some "heavy handed action" of his own, action that will "contribute to the peace," in the administration's words.

For 2003, the Bush administration is proposing that Israel receive $2.76 billion in foreign aid, mostly in the form of military hardware. An additional $28 million will go to Israel for the purchase U.S.-manufactured counter-terrorism equipment. In the past decade alone, the United States has sold Israel $7.2 billion in weaponry and military equipment--everything >from fighter planes and attack helicopters to machine guns and grenade launchers.

Freezing this military aid would send a strong message to the Israeli government that bombing heavily populated neighborhoods and killing civilians is as unacceptable from one of its closest allies as it is from Palestinian suicide bombers. This might not stop the killing between Israelis and Palestinians tomorrow, but at the very least the United States will no longer be complicit in the death of innocent children.

(Frida Berrigan is a Senior Research Associate with the Arms Trade Resource Center, a project of the World Policy Institute, and a military analyst for Foreign Policy In Focus (online at www.fpif.org). She can be reached at <berrigaf@newschool.edu>.)

[Enkidu Kind]

Go Scott! Nice to see you back on here again.

I think the USA should stop selling weapons to everyone. I realize it's a cash industry, but give me a break. A peaceful world is unattainable if it's armed to the teeth. Besides, Israel is an enterprising nation. Let them build their own guns and ammo.

But that's just me....I'm a fawking hippy.

[angry_bob]

Originally posted by Enkidu Kind
Go Scott! Nice to see you back on here again.

I think the USA should stop selling weapons to everyone. I realize it's a cash industry, but give me a break. A peaceful world is unattainable if it's armed to the teeth. Besides, Israel is an enterprising nation. Let them build their own guns and ammo.

But that's just me....I'm a fawking hippy.

I agree, I don't see why they can't build their own by now? They make their own guns n stuff, why not their own planes?

[seattle science]

Originally posted by seattle science
Al-Jazeera.net must have a forum that would better suit your purposes. .

[Tecknowledgy]

BALIWOOD!

[Effendi]

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It takes a truely wise man to quote himself........LOL

Scott!!

[yewzer]

US supports isreal

US fucks palestine

::yawn::

[Roddimus]

Tax payer money given to Isreal: $3 billion
Tax payer money given to the AIDS and poverty stricken continent of Africa: $300 million
Knowing your government is only making the problem worse: Priceless.

[seattle science]

Originally posted by Roddimus
is only making the problem worse: Priceless.

I guess I don't realize how American support of Israel is "making the problem worse." Sure it may make angry arabs dislike the USA, arabs who have one thing on their mind: annihilating every jew they see. But other than that, I think that if you actually support there even being a little place called Israel in the middle east, you'd better be grateful that we ever gave them financial support. Otherwise, its highly doubtful there would be an Israel right now. And yes, a Palestinian state would have been nice too, but it's too bad the Palestinians opted for nail-filled C-4 bombs instead of peace and statehood. Its pathetic to use the US as a scapegoat. Blame the real culprits in this matter.. the people who have hatred flowing thru their bloodstream.. the people who celebrated the 9/11 attack.. the people who clap their hands when Israeli babies are killed. If you want statehood, stop acting like satan's reincarnate.

[AthenA]

Wow...Let's be realistic here. You make Isreal out to sound without blame. Yeah, Palestine has pulled some shit, but what did Isreal do? Pull the same shit. It doesn't take a great mind to figure out that two wrongs don't make a right. What both countries need right now is strong leadership (I'm talkin' Martial Tito kinda leadership here), and for the US to butt the hell out. Those two factions are going to have beef for a long time to come, and we aren't making anything better by fueling the fire.

[Roddimus]

I guess I don't realize how American support of Israel is "making the problem worse."
Like Athena said, while Palestine has turned into a breeding ground for anti-semistism, horrendous acts of terrorism and rampant hatred, the Isreali government's hands are hardly any cleaner. Illegal settlements, bombings of residential neighborhoods, institutionalized religous discrimination, etc...
By pumping a zionist zealot like Sharon with our $3 billion a year, we're only furthering these problems, and in doing so giving the Palestinians more of a reason to continue their horrific celebration of terrorism.
Thus making the problem worse.
Considering all the other actually worthy causes in this world that could be recieving that $3 billion, it makes me sick to see it going to perpetuate an absurd conflict between two nations who problems are their's and their's alone.

[seattle science]

Again, let's take a closer look at the situation, for both sides are not equally to blame. You say Sharon is hell bent on like, murdering Palestinians every chance he gets... but what he really has done, what the state of Israel has done, is sat back and hoped for peace, not attacking Palestinians, and not iniating any sort of violence. Any type of attack targeted at Palestinian areas is a *direct response* to a Palestinian terrorist attack. How many times must I keep saying this? Israel has the right to defend itself, so every time Israel is attacked, they had better fight back. If Palestinians never *iniated* the violence, then there wouldn't be any violence. It's that simple. And trust me, there would be a state called Palestine by now. Lastly, call me crazy but I don't think that Israeli settlements are grounds for murdering civilians. If you don't want Israel to build settlements, then put down your nail-bombs and get your own state. Then you can have Israel move back its settlements. Unfortunately, Palestinians do not want to use diplomacy, and they do not want to live peacefully next to Israel. You would be kidding yourself if you didn't acknowledge the fact that Palestinians will never put down the bombs, until Israel is erased from the map.

[Mike S]

I know! I know!
We can give both sides 3 billion dollars and they can kill each other off!!

That way we can get Scott to shut his jew hating pie hole.

Or here's another option-
Waddaya think Scott 4 or 5 - 20 megaton airbursts should take care of the entire problem dont ya think? High yeild - low fall-out scenario?

*rolls eyes*


And Roddimus it wont matter how much money we throw into the bottomless AIDS pit cause Aids will never be curbed untill individuals learn to alter their own behavior. You can leave piles of condoms in every hut in africa but it wont do a damn thing if African men think that covering their willy is a form of imasculation and if every time we send folks over to help them understand the facts we are accused of shoving our American values down their throats.

But then I guess as long as we keep on tossing our tax money at the issue it will make some people FEEL like they're getting something done and thats all that counts with certain people.... isnt it?

MS

[Mike S]

Oh and another thing about that AIDs money. Last time I checked the UN wanted to raise 10 billion to fight aids to which we've committed 500 million and we're the ONLY country that has actually coughed up the dough for it. You wanna whine about AIDS money.. send e-mails to the other 25-30 countries that said they were gonna give $ but are too busy funding their welfare states to afford it.

MS

[Effendi]

Originally posted by Mike S
I know! I know!
We can give both sides 3 billion dollars and they can kill each other off!!

The last thing needed is more money put into this conflict from any angle.

That way we can get Scott to shut his jew hating pie hole.
MS
Very Good Mike, No matter how you try to paint me OR the whole picture, You will NEVER shut me up.

You just can't stand the fact that I constantly draw light on the truth of the matter, and it crosses your own political alliances.

So with your limited intelligence and emense Ego, you shoot at me constantly rather than try to reason out the situation.

We all realize by now that your to braindead to actually argue properly, so you just going on calling me names and I'll just keep pointing out what a little punkass BITCH you are.

It's OK though Mike, because people see both of us for who and what we are....me a fanatic....you an asshole.....any questions?

Scott!!

[Mike S]

Originally posted by Effendi

The last thing needed is more money put into this conflict from any angle.

Very Good Mike, No matter how you try to paint me OR the whole picture, You will NEVER shut me up.

You just can't stand the fact that I constantly draw light on the truth of the matter, and it crosses your own political alliances.

So with your limited intelligence and emense Ego, you shoot at me constantly rather than try to reason out the situation.

We all realize by now that your to braindead to actually argue properly, so you just going on calling me names and I'll just keep pointing out what a little punkass BITCH you are.

It's OK though Mike, because people see both of us for who and what we are....me a fanatic....you an asshole.....any questions?

Scott!!

*falls out of chair laughing* The light of truth!!? Bahahahahaha.. Its more like youre putting colored gel paper over the "light of truth" to give it a unique new appearance. Scott - the intellabeam of intelligence - yeah right. Oh lawdy you are funny today Scotty.


MS

[yewzer]

Originally posted by Effendi
So with your limited intelligence and emense Ego, you shoot at me constantly rather than try to reason out the situation.

We all realize by now that your to braindead to actually argue properly, so you just going on calling me names and I'll just keep pointing out what a little punkass BITCH you are.


that seams like good reason to me, pbbbbt

and yeah, people are spying on us? no shit, why do you think we have the CIA?

and yeah, im sure argueing about this on a bulletin board will definatly solve all of our problems.

holy shit, GEORGE DUBYA just pm'd me, he said your right, we should just nuke all the damn kikes so the rag heads can have their own country and quit ramming airplanes into our buildings.[/reason]

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by Enkidu Kind
I think the USA should stop selling weapons to everyone. I realize it's a cash industry, but give me a break. A peaceful world is unattainable if it's armed to the teeth. Besides, Israel is an enterprising nation. Let them build their own guns and ammo.

But that's just me....I'm a fawking hippy.
Fucking hippies.......
I think the USA should start funding me with taxpayer money, and then I could use that money to buy weapons from the government.

And then I can take over the world and make a Charles-ocracy and everything would be better because all you fuckers would be taking orders from me. Religion wouldn't matter then.

[burnt]

charles, if I'm ever subjected to your regime, I'm gonna slack like a motherfucker and make you work ten times harder just to break even. hell, son, you think you cover too much for me now?? ;)

[seattle science]

Yes, its just too bad that we ever gave any help to Israel. I mean, without US support, the Arabs could have overrun that worthless democratic country called Israel a long time ago, and murdered every Jew in the middle east. Gosh what a peaceful world it would be without Jews.

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by Roddimus
Tax payer money given to Isreal: $3 billion
Tax payer money given to the AIDS and poverty stricken continent of Africa: $300 million
Knowing your government is only making the problem worse: Priceless.

BTW, Almost 800 Million goes to Africa.
http://www.usaid.gov/regions/afr/overview.html

And BTW The US in not the only Country who gives economic and militarily aid to Israel. In fact Germany alone is right behind us in funds to Israel. If your going to criticize the fact Israel receives aid than complain about everyone who is involved. Don’t focus on the US because you dislike America the most.

Now I myself think Israel receives too much of a chunk of US foreign Aid, but my reasons are quite different than yours obviously. <G> But Rodd, please, your making the same shallow comments the radical left always makes. What you’re saying here is what? We should instead give more money to Africa? Yeah I'd love for more money to go to Africa to combat AIDS but you know what?!? The money intended doesn't reach the targets intended today. Why give more if more rogue leaders squander it away?

That reminds me, speaking of aid. The Cartel of Good Intentions out of my foreign policy magaizine.. lemme see if there is a link they have available to non-scribers.. ahh yes they do. Enjoy!

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/issue_julyaug_2002/Easterly.html

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by seattle science
Again, let's take a closer look at the situation, for both sides are not equally to blame. You say Sharon is hell bent on like, murdering Palestinians every chance he gets... but what he really has done, what the state of Israel has done, is sat back and hoped for peace, not attacking Palestinians, and not iniating any sort of violence. Any type of attack targeted at Palestinian areas is a *direct response* to a Palestinian terrorist attack. How many times must I keep saying this? Israel has the right to defend itself, so every time Israel is attacked, they had better fight back. If Palestinians never *iniated* the violence, then there wouldn't be any violence. It's that simple. And trust me, there would be a state called Palestine by now. Lastly, call me crazy but I don't think that Israeli settlements are grounds for murdering civilians. If you don't want Israel to build settlements, then put down your nail-bombs and get your own state. Then you can have Israel move back its settlements. Unfortunately, Palestinians do not want to use diplomacy, and they do not want to live peacefully next to Israel. You would be kidding yourself if you didn't acknowledge the fact that Palestinians will never put down the bombs, until Israel is erased from the map.

That's true, as of now there is no Palestine. What they want to call Palestine is Israel currently. When the Arabs attacked Israel in 67 they lossed the war and the process of that war in which Israel occupied this land that is in occupation today. Even though Israel occuired it from a war they still ensist the land is theirs? Then why don't these people start strapping bombs to their children and walking them into Jordon right accross the border? Jordon occupies the majority of Palestine. What about Egypt the occupy a portion of the Gaza. Perhaps this whole conflict is more about Religon than it does land. I just can't believe in the year 2002 we would be killing innocent civilians over fuckin land. Please tell me I'm wrong and it's just the Palestinian people who support such a sick and domented way of carying out their political ambitions.

-Jason

[Mike S]

Originally posted by ZupanGOD


BTW, Almost 800 Million goes to Africa.
http://www.usaid.gov/regions/afr/overview.html

And BTW The US in not the only Country who gives economic and militarily aid to Israel. In fact Germany alone is right behind us in funds to Israel. If your going to criticize the fact Israel receives aid than complain about everyone who is involved. Don’t focus on the US because you dislike America the most.

Now I myself think Israel receives too much of a chunk of US foreign Aid, but my reasons are quite different than yours obviously. <G> But Rodd, please, your making the same shallow comments the radical left always makes. What you’re saying here is what? We should instead give more money to Africa? Yeah I'd love for more money to go to Africa to combat AIDS but you know what?!? The money intended doesn't reach the targets intended today. Why give more if more rogue leaders squander it away?

That reminds me, speaking of aid. The Cartel of Good Intentions out of my foreign policy magaizine.. lemme see if there is a link they have available to non-scribers.. ahh yes they do. Enjoy!

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/issue_julyaug_2002/Easterly.html

ehem ..hey zup they criticizing other sources of aid would imply a degree of intellectual honesty.. need I say more.

MS

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by burnt
charles, if I'm ever subjected to your regime, I'm gonna slack like a motherfucker and make you work ten times harder just to break even. hell, son, you think you cover too much for me now?? ;)

No Comment
You better make sure that things don't go wrong. I programmed my cellphone to play AliceDeejay everytime I get paged.

[burnt]

No Comment
You better make sure that things don't go wrong. I programmed my cellphone to play AliceDeejay everytime I get paged.

whatever dude, its your ears =P

btw, buying weapons from the government, and achieving power, is about as likely as buying crack from a crack dealer, and achieving Illuminated Nirvana.......I mean, I suppose it *could* happen........but more'n likely it'd just be another crack trip thats all blurry and confusing the morning after.

hey, thanks for covering for me today! =)

[skilife]

Originally posted by Mike S

ehem ..hey zup they criticizing other sources of aid would imply a degree of intellectual honesty.. need I say more.
MS

Unfortinately I'm sure you will, But I'm no so concerned or worried about what funds are givin to whom by whom if it does not concern me.

Jason, you say that we only pick on America "because we hate America the most". well that is just about thee lamest thing you have EVER said.
We care about what money America gives to other people for other things because it's OUR FUCKING MONEY!!!

And so this is not about "Criticizing" other sources of Aid", this is about where the chumps spend MY tax money, and personally I would "Selfishly" see our state parks and government parks remain open rather than give away even 1 more Jet fighter, or 1,000lb bomb!!

Scott!!

[Mike S]

Originally posted by skilife


Unfortinately I'm sure you will, But I'm no so concerned or worried about what funds are givin to whom by whom if it does not concern me.

Jason, you say that we only pick on America "because we hate America the most". well that is just about thee lamest thing you have EVER said.
We care about what money America gives to other people for other things because it's OUR FUCKING MONEY!!!

And so this is not about "Criticizing" other sources of Aid", this is about where the chumps spend MY tax money, and personally I would "Selfishly" see our state parks and government parks remain open rather than give away even 1 more Jet fighter, or 1,000lb bomb!!

Scott!!

Yeah Jason if the shoe were on the other foot and we were giving money to the terrorist Arrafat and it was used to blow up Isreali civillians it would be you and I all indignant about how our money is used and Scott would be defending the state.

Unfortunately for YOUR money Scott we live in a representative democracy and the government tends to respond to the will of the majority of the people... AND since the majority of us would rather give our (and your) money to the democratically elected government in Isreal versus the Arab terrorist lunatics you wish we would I guess you've got two options. Deal with it. Or dont pay your taxes.

Or I guess you can try to convince your fellow Americans of the validity of your zionist conspiracy that controls America. *snicker*

MS

[Tecknowledgy]

A 1,000 lb bomb is nothing. In WWII they had this one called the "Tallboy" that weighed 58,000 pounds.