Pit Bulls

[TheIronLung]

This is my first time on the board in months. I got into Pit Bulls lately and was wondering who else on here is into pits. I got a 3 1/2 month old pure white rednose puppy named Gangster. He has taken up most of my time this summer. I've been training him everyday to get big and he's gettin there. Who else had a Pit on here?

[marc_shrpnl]

My question to you is what do you mean by"training him to get big"??

Hopefully you mean training him to be a good member of the community and not the other aspect..

I have a 2 year old female brindle pit, and have had pits for a long time.
And in this time, I have worked very hard to FIGHT the horrible image this breed and its relatives have.

So please, if you are planning on "fighting" him or using him for any use other than being a member of your family or sanctioned weight pulling contests, I strongly urge to re-think your decision.

There is no reason that hese beatiful creatures deserve to be put through this. Disagree? pm and I can go more in-depth on this topic.

How would you like to be forced to fight another person only for the amusement of your "master"?

Now dont take this as a "flame" or anything like that.If you have a pit for the reason of a very TRUSTWORTHY and LOYAL dog, GREAT!

It just angers me to see morons abusing this dog's name and image

Marc (end of rant):D

[kizniz357]

me want a pit bull! i just think it would add to my tough girl image~!;)

[TurntableTruth]

i had a red nose butterscotch color female for about 6 months
my sister stole her from me and sold him for 200
shes a bitch and i hope she dies
now i have a baby mastif/pit

[AliciaisAlwaysPimpin]

i think they are soooo sweet! and i love thier huge jaws!! i <3 puppies! =)

[NeighborGirl]

They're kute.. I'm gonna get one for a play mate for my boxer...

~*=NG=*~

[AthenA]

"My question to you is what do you mean by"training him to get big"??

Hopefully you mean training him to be a good member of the community and not the other aspect.."

Werd. Fuck the white trash in this country that raises these animals to be beasts.

I was at Hempfest this year...Counted 23 pitbulls and 4 vicious dog fights...all of which involved pit bulls.

Some of these dogs have a mean-streak bread into them. I was malled at the age of 3 by a pit bull that was (as far as I've heard) very well trained.

Pit Bulls can be a wonderful addition to a home, but can also be a dog owner's worst nightmare. Pay close attention to the behavior of your dog, and have knowledge of where they came from and under what circumstances.

[Carley]

With a ratio so pit-friendly, is it really surprising the dog "fights" involved them? I don't think your point is very clear.

Anyway, all dogs have aggressive / protective instincts (especially while on leashes with their families) ~ one of the most aggressive breeds being evil little TERRIERS (not working or 'gaming' breeds). Responsible breeders do not breed family or show dogs with poor temperaments. It's completely unnatural for most dogs (pits included) to be aggressive towards humans... if they are, they are obviously not socialized or trained, and probably abused ~ or they are afraid that you are going to hurt them or their family. Pits who are raised for gaming are not bred or trained to be aggressive towards humans either. The two are not synonymous, and they are not genetically evil. There are plenty of community groups on the net who try to educate the public about myths surrounding dominant breeds like APBT, dobies, rotts etc. Check them out.

Word to everything marc said... but I must say, it's kinda nice having everyone afraid of pits now ~ it gives my dobie a better chance at cookies ;o)

It looked to me like menace meant he was training him now, so that when he is big, he is an obedient boy. Good idea ;)

[mchll888]

My sister has a pit that I worry about with my kids all the time. I have to say that I was pretty thankful for that dog on Saturday night. I was dogsitting and my oldest opened the door to let the dog out without me knowing. At that time my 1 1/2yr old son ran out with the dog. It only took me about 10 minutes to find them but it seemed like much longer. I thought it was so great and I was really thankful that the dog stuck by my son's side the entire time. They were in a bush together playing with a ball. After that I watched her really closly with the kids and noticed how gentle she really was with them. She never once left their sides no matter what we did.
I honestly don't worry that much anymore. I know that my sister has raised her right. I really think it all depends on the families that bring these dogs up.

[AthenA]

You're right...That whole post was unclear.

What I meant to mention about the dog fights at Hempfest...Many of them were egged on by owners, and a few of them got pretty bloody. Chances are if they care so little about their dog as to allow and encourage their dog to engage in a potentially harmful/fatal fight with another pit bull in a public area with children around, we can pretty much count on them not being raised/trained correctly.

In your post, Carley, I assume you are referring to professional breeders and trainers. All I want people to take into consideration is that many pit bulls are not raised by professionals. And with the growing trend of ghetto people raising and breeding pit bulls as symbols of status, it is important for people to know what kind of home their puppy was raised in, and make decisions accordingly.

Every pit bull owner I know personally at this point has raised their dog to attack people. Not just any people of course, but these owners are not professionals, so who's to say the dog will never get confused due to poor training?

I guess all I'm trying to say is that steriotypes exist for a reason. I'm sure I do not need to remind any of you of the details concerning the several deadly pit bull attacks that have occured in recent years.

Any dog raised in a bad environment is a potential threat. Unfortunately, because of the stigma surrounding pit bulls specifically, they are often sought out and raised by the wrong type of people for all the wrong reasons. I am not saying that the pit bull is at fault...Bad owners are to blame.

But much like that saying "you can take the girl out of the ghetto, but can't take the ghetto out of the girl", a pit bull raised in a bad home will not miraculously become the perfect household pet once it is in the care of a loving family. Sometimes damage done in the early weeks of a dog's life cannot be reversed, people don't realize this, bring the dog around kids (or anyone for that matter), and people get bitten.

Good god....is this post redundant enough or what? I think that's it from me today (Mondays are always hard for my brain :D )...Hopefully I got my point across clearly this time. I'm just one pit bull victim who would like to see a lot less other pit bull victims. :)

[Carley]

What I meant to mention about the dog fights at Hempfest...Many of them were egged on by owners, and a few of them got pretty bloody.

Yeah. Really surprised that happened! I wonder why no staff or police (or anybody?) did/said something. That certainly wouldn't fly at the dog park ~ or any other public place. Irresponsibility with animals like that can land you (and your animal) in jail.

In your post, Carley, I assume you are referring to professional breeders and trainers

You don't have to assume :)... I said "Responsible breeders" (which is not synonymous with "professional").

And with the growing trend of ghetto people raising and breeding pit bulls as symbols of status, it is important for people to know what kind of home their puppy was raised in, and make decisions accordingly.

Actually "pitbulls" & APBTs are on a decline of popularity (just as Dobies did in the 70's after their brush with fame). My tangent on these babies follows (beware! :)) But yeah, as mentioned, those are good guidelines regardless of the breed ~ or species for that matter.

Every pit bull owner I know personally at this point has raised their dog to attack people.

Wow. I don't know ANYONE ~ and I don't WANT to know anyone ~ who has a genuine "pitbull!" Tell them to look up their states definition of "IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR" (a felony). The "'pitbull' epidemic" is so blown out of truth it's silly.

The CDC has statistics on dog bite fatalities. Heading the list are these "pitbulls" ~ which don't have a specific *breed* classification (I assumed we were talking in terms of the *breed* in this thread ~ not "game" or purpose). They are *not* American Staffordshire Terriers (or American Pit Bull Terriers). They are "pitbulls" ~ dogs "trained" (abused) to fight. Then there is the (accumulative) hundredsomething "other" accidents with "no breed listed" ~ probably ChowChows, Poodles, Pomeranians (<~YES!), and other breeds people were probably too embarrassed to list.

The point being "pitbull" doesn't have a *breed* definition, and with "other" as the other classification there is really no logic to the reputation that the *breed* has. And it's annoying to hear people insist upon it... especially to those of us with "dominant" kids :). I'm sure it's confusing (and scary), but there is *so* much information out there now. It's frustrating to hear the same crap regurgitated.

A "pitbull" (abused animal) is different from "American PitBull Terrier" or "American Staffordshire Terrier" (breeds) <end>

a pit bull raised in a bad home will not miraculously become the perfect household pet once it is in the care of a loving family.

They are typically euthanized anyway. Even rescue groups are required to check the temperament of each animal. In other words, chances of you obtaining a previously aggressive animal second handedly are slim. Not to mention dogs are rarely (if ever) miraculously behaved. They must be trained. End of story. (Even your bichon frise!)

Yah. Ferkin Monday. Blarg.

[siddie]

I have a great 2.7 mth old pittie... he's an absolute doll, and has NO idea how big he really is. I have him trained pretty well and he minds, for the most part...
Now one thing I have NEVER understood, is how people that have NEVER really been around dogs much in their lives, decide to get themselves pitbulls/dobies/rotties... GOOD STRONG DOGS...
Now, strong willed dogs need strong minded owners. Hence why I REALLY think that there are sooo damn many BAD dogs out there. Now when people DO not know how to handle a LARGER breed, specially when they are BRED for more agressive behaviors, that is how the bad behavior develops with the dog.
Its like lettin a 2 yr old human child just run AMUCK in a china shop with absolutely no manners...

ITS JUST ASKIN FOR IT....

and thats pretty much my .02 :)

[mchll888]

Originally posted by siddie

Its like lettin a 2 yr old human child just run AMUCK in a china shop with absolutely no manners...

ITS JUST ASKIN FOR IT....

and thats pretty much my .02 :)
Nicely put. As we all know..............dogs are just like kids and are surely members of the family. Treat them like one. Unless of course you are abusive and neglectful to your family as well. In that case you should just get a fish in one of those little tanks where you don't have to feed them or anything. You know what I'm talking about.
Personally, I like cats.

[TheIronLung]

I have a big fenced yard and I have been getting a lil untrustin of my neighborhood lately. He is being trained as a house dog/home security. I have been working him out and training him to get him as big and strong as possible and even though I will not be using him for dog fights. I have been teaching him to protect the yard by barking whenever anyone walks by the fence and stuff like that. But to serve his purose he can't be a friendly dog that i can take to the park and so on. I hope this clears things up.

[marc_shrpnl]

Originally posted by TheIronLung
But to serve his purose he can't be a friendly dog that i can take to the park and so on. I hope this clears things up.

WTF??? Where do i start on this?

First off,you dont have to TRAIN a dog to protect you.That comes with love. When your dog loves you he/she will protect you out of respect for you.

Also, since we are talking about a pit for home protection, they are not the best breed for that.When they are treated right, they will be good around any person.UNLESS that person tries to do harm to you.

And training him to bark whenever someone walks past your yard?? Great, another example of "when pits go bad" for your community.Im sure the neighbors will just love the fact that whenever someone walks past your house, your dog will bark unnecissaraly.

My girl protects me.My girl will aslo protect whats INSIDE my house, not bark when somebody decides to walk by it.But, my girl will not be the best guard dog becuase of her breed. And since when CAN'T YOU TAKE A WELL TRAINED DOG AROUND OTHER DOGS???

I have trained my girl well in the fact that i CAN trust her around other dogs, cats, childeren. And yet she will still protect my safety when she feels necissary.

Granted, any dog will protect you when shown love, certain breeds are not the best for this.

[mchll888]

My sister's neighbor has a pit that they trained for "home protection". My daughter can't walk next to the fence without the dog ramming it with it's head trying to get at her. One day that fence may break and a child may get hurt.
Take a look at your intentions. Maybe you should rethink this.

Actually about a month ago one of the boards did break and the dog attacked my sister's dog. My sister has a huge vet bill now and her dog couldn't walk for a couple of weeks. What was that dog protecting then charging into another yard???

[flumP]

i have 2 pits, both are about 11 years old. these are some smart dogs. they are very loyal and loving. in their earlier years they were hell to raize. they ate everything including shredding tin cans in the yard for breakfast. BUT i never showed them anything other than love. neither of these dogs would think of biting human. thats not what they think humans are for. they are convinced humans are for licking and hugging and free food. doesnt matter who walks in my house, they want some love. (what sluts). ive never been in a violent situation around them, somehow i dont think they would do anything but run. everytime me and my girlfriend have yelled at each other they hide. the only thing i have a problem with is other dogs, i cant get them to be nice to other dogs. that is something that i may agree with the people who say bad things about them, they fight with other dogs alot. i hate that. its like testosterone or something(even in the female). if you raize youre dogs to do anything other than love you are a sick fuck. what if someone raized you like a guard dog? you would be in jail right now. dogs dont goto jail, they get put to sleep. why dont you just go buy a gun while your at it.

[AthenA]

See....this is what I'm talking about. Thanks for proving my point, dude.


Marc....Werd to all of that. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Carley, perhaps we just run in wildly different social circles, but kids like this guy are on the rise. People who get pit bulls to beef them up and make them mean. Like I said, every pit bull owner I know (all under the age of 25 and male, mind you, which makes a difference) are just like this kid. It's sick and stupid. A tragidy waiting to happen. This kid's gonna train this dog to bark at everyone that walks by. Then one day, some unsuspecting kid is going to walk by, and when the dog barks, the kid will stop to look, maybe even taunt the dog. The dog will get all riled up, see this as a threat, and god only knows what will happen next....Believe me...I know. I was that stupid little kid that stopped to look at the doggy. I have a lovely white scar in the middle of my upper lip to remind me why petting strange dogs is not a good idea. I was lucky, he just tore my upper lip. Lots of kids are not so lucky.

And it's not just pits. It's German shepards, it's dobermans, it's rottweilers (sp?), and every other dog raised in a bad environment.

Oh, and IronLung guy....if you want to protect your house, get an alarm system. A dog like the one you are trying to raise will only be a liability.

:rolleyes:

[marc_shrpnl]

Originally posted by AthenA
if you want to protect your house, get an alarm system. A dog like the one you are trying to raise will only be a liability.

And another blow to those of us who love, respect, and try to destroy the negative image of these beatiful animals.

Edited to state i understood what was being said,and to say that unfortantly,people only see the negitive side in pit's.

But yes, any mistreatment of dog's is highly unnecissary.

[mchll888]

Originally posted by marc_shrpnl


And another blow to those of us who love, respect, and try to destroy the negative image of these beatiful animals.
She was refering to the fact that he wasn't raising HIS dog correctly. Not the breed of dog in general

[siddie]

My dog doesnt even bark when the DOORBELL rings or when someone comes over... BUT, when he senses there is SOMETHING OUT THERE... WOW watch out... HAIR ON END AND GGRRROOOOOWWWLLLL...

Its kinda freaky when he does it too, cuz it doesnt happen that often.

[Kore (P.I.)]

Originally posted by AliciaisAlwaysPimpin
i think they are soooo sweet! and i love thier huge jaws!! i <3 puppies! =)

hey alicia, you and matt should come out sometime, so matt can play some records and you can check out the 3 baby pits that are out here..they're the cutest things in the world..PINCHE PERRO!! ahaha..

[AthenA]

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Originally posted by marc_shrpnl


And another blow to those of us who love, respect, and try to destroy the negative image of these beatiful animals.
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"She was refering to the fact that he wasn't raising HIS dog correctly. Not the breed of dog in general"

Thanks, mchll888...That's exactly what I'm saying. A Pit Bull can be a great pet! All I'm saying is that if you are going to raise a dog...ANY dog...purely for the sake of home security to the point when you can not take your dog around other dogs or humans, you're asking for a lawsuit.

If you are not a professional, training a dog to be aggressive, even if you think it's just to protect your home, is NOT a good idea. I think that mchll888's story about her sister's fence is a perfect example. Aggression is aggression, and you cannot necessarily contain your dog's aggression to the front yard, even if you think you trained it well.

I have nothing against pit bulls. In fact, I pity them for being the target of morons who want to make them personal war machines.

[evilarchangel68]

Originally posted by TheIronLung
This is my first time on the board in months. I got into Pit Bulls lately and was wondering who else on here is into pits. I got a 3 1/2 month old pure white rednose puppy named Gangster. He has taken up most of my time this summer. I've been training him everyday to get big and he's gettin there. Who else had a Pit on here?

i used to have a pit, named sniper :( he had ice blue eyes, he was dark brown and he had yellow brindle stripes.

and because we have a fucked up asshole neighbor who is practically the landlord's spy, sniper had to be given away to carl's sister, who lived in a farked neighborhood and he got stolen ON CHRISTMAS EVE.

he didnt bark, we bathed him twice a week, and we didnt let him poo in front of the apartment. why the asshole complained, i dont know. but because of him ,our dog is probably dead.

fuck :(

marc_shrpnl
And training him to bark whenever someone walks past your yard?? Great, another example of "when pits go bad" for your community.Im sure the neighbors will just love the fact that whenever someone walks past your house, your dog will bark unnecissaraly.

that reminds me of my labrador when she was younger :( she was very protective of us and the house, and barked at strangers coming into our driveway by her own choice -- no one trained her to do that, she just did it to warn us naturally. but she would never, ever bite the person. just warn.

um...yeah. i guess the point i was trying to make (and got a little sidetracked there) was that if you want a dog thatll be your watchguard, get a lab. you dont have to train them to bark at strangers, but you also wont be viewed as "another asshole with a dangerous dog"

[siddie]

http://www.londonstimes.com/toons/cartoons/pitbull.jpg

[siddie]

I found this CRAZY drink the other day... Like redbull but HELLLLLA tastier...

http://www.nicholsons.net/flash/en/pitbull.html

[TheIronLung]

Who the fuck are you guys to tell me I'm raising my dog wrong. I don't give a fuck what yall think I am going to continue to raise him the way I feel nessasary. I remember why I pretty much left the board in the first place. Almost anything said on people take offence to and it turns into people tellin you your wrong or some shit like this. You all are a bunch of pussies who need to reevaluate shit. What I am doing may not be what you would do but Don't fuckin tell me what I want to do with my dog is wrong and that I am taking away from the community. I tried to start a topic about people with pit bulls and it turns into a attact on me as a owner. Well Lick my balls. Anyone that wants to attack me as a owner instead of talkin about the pits you own or anything like that can fuck off.

[mchll888]

Originally posted by TheIronLung
Who the fuck are you guys to tell me I'm raising my dog wrong. I don't give a fuck what yall think I am going to continue to raise him the way I feel nessasary. I remember why I pretty much left the board in the first place. Almost anything said on people take offence to and it turns into people tellin you your wrong or some shit like this. You all are a bunch of pussies who need to reevaluate shit. What I am doing may not be what you would do but Don't fuckin tell me what I want to do with my dog is wrong and that I am taking away from the community. I tried to start a topic about people with pit bulls and it turns into a attact on me as a owner. Well Lick my balls. Anyone that wants to attack me as a owner instead of talkin about the pits you own or anything like that can fuck off.
Umkay, we were all talking about pits. Did you not read the posts. People were giving advice due to their experience with pits. Maybe you should grow up and learn from others experiences instead of being a stubborn ass.

[EV]

Man I'll tell you a fucked up story about some pits.
Homeboy Antwan Patton aka Big Boi from Outkast used to breed Pits with Violet eyes down in Decatur, GA. He was one of only two breeders in the WORLD licensed and qualified and certified for this...
After 'Kast started blowing up (circa '96ish, after ATLiens), some jealous ass bitchhead motherFUCK broke into his pit farm and Poisioned the dogs, killing all except for two.
How fucked up is that shit?!?!?


EV

[AthenA]

"Who the fuck are you guys to tell me I'm raising my dog wrong. I don't give a fuck what yall think I am going to continue to raise him the way I feel nessasary. I remember why I pretty much left the board in the first place. Almost anything said on people take offence to and it turns into people tellin you your wrong or some shit like this. You all are a bunch of pussies who need to reevaluate shit. What I am doing may not be what you would do but Don't fuckin tell me what I want to do with my dog is wrong and that I am taking away from the community. I tried to start a topic about people with pit bulls and it turns into a attact on me as a owner. Well Lick my balls. Anyone that wants to attack me as a owner instead of talkin about the pits you own or anything like that can fuck off."

Ahhhh....the intelligence and maturity necessary to raise anything correctly is just oozing from this post, isn't it? Dude, do the world a favor and get fixed. And who are we to tell you how to raise your dog??? We're the people that will be suing the shit outta you when your poor dog busts through a fence and takes a piece out of one of us because you're ignorant ass never taught him any better. Get a clue, homie. :rolleyes:

[Kore (P.I.)]

this is scarlet
http://www.screamerspitbulls.com/images/photos/bitches/thumbs/prettyScarlet.jpg i erased this picture from my files only to find it on a website..YAY! for my photography skills hehe.. scarlet has her very own 6'x6' kennel..she cant get out..but when she does she doesnt stop licking everything..except the other dogs of course..just cuz she thinks shes such a bad ass..is there any way to get dogs over an inferiority complex?:confused:

all this dog and its "brothers" and "sisters" do all day is eat, sleep, poop, and take the occasional run on their treadmill..they're growing up to be the most wonderful things on the block..they bark less than any other dog and they're truly well behaved as pets..if you feel it is a danger for your pet to be behind a fence..you can always keep a chain around its neck until you're going to supervise it..wonderful, beautiful dogs to have, if you're responsible, but that goes with any pet now doesnt it?

[sothis]

athena:

nah, i think i can understand why he got pissed off.

he started a thread about discussing pitbulls, and right away everyone jumped on him, assuming he is raising his dog "the wrong way"... people gave examples on why this is bad, etc.. but never stopped to ask, does he even do this?

maybe he does, but the point is everyone just assumed. i re-read his first post and i dont see anything there which says "i am raising my dog to fight with other dogs and be generally harmful to society"... he said he was training it to be big.. whats wrong with that? my tattoo artist tries to help her pit grow as much as possible, for protection. its not always just so they can fight.

reminds me of something that just happened... here at work we have "folders" in outlook with different topics, people can post in there. theres a cat lovers forum. i read it occasionally .. a woman posted saying she had some kittens to give away for a good home. everyone IMMEDIATELY jumped on her ass, saying why are you such an irresponsible pet owner and couldnt get your cat fixed.. blah blah. being REALLY condescending and snide.

the woman finally responds, saying well, i wasnt going to say anything but now that i am getting emails from many of you chastising me for being a bad pet owner, im going to explain myself.

she went on to say that she had found a cat in the park, pregnant and ready to burst... rather than leave it there, she took it into her home, let it have its kittens, and is now trying to find good homes for them instead of just taking htem to the shelter.

her message basically said, shame on you people for jumping to conclusions and getting on me when you didnt even know the reason. no one replied back. they couldnt have, they probably were too embarassed.

same thing applies here, in my opinion. he never even said if he does what everyone seems to be accusing him of... yet you all are getting on him like an angry mob. i see all of you like i see those people who got on this poor woman with her kittens.

so again, i can see why he got pissed off. i would have too.

[Kore (P.I.)]

http://www.screamerspitbulls.com/images/photos/ancestors/thumbs/masteryoda1_small.jpg
Purple Ribbon UKC / ADBA Lilly's "Master Yoda" (c.w. 65 lbs.) Pure Toney blood. (Hassel Toney) based off of Colby, Boudreaux, Orday's, Carver, Teals, Bullyson, Lonzo, etc... "Yoda" is our top stud and has sired 100+ pups. Proven producer of Winners!

hehe..true APBT's only grow to about this size..so trying to get your pit to be big may be troublesome..but to get them to be rock solid chunks of dog is easy because they love to play and exercise.

[marc_shrpnl]

Kore(P.I.):Ive said it once and ill say it again..Very Beatiful pits...

sometime Ill have to get off of my lazy ass and post a pic of mine..

Marc.

[Carley]

nah, i think i can understand why he got pissed off.

word.

is there any way to get dogs over an inferiority complex?

Absolutely! Here are a bunch of links http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1878/links.html#training ~ they can help you modify her compulsive licking. A professional can help too if you have the time/money. This is a behaviorist (http://www.cascadekennels.com/ckscheduleprint.asp) we know (Jackson Zimmerman) ~ and he is fucking awesome. He works at BARK & I’m sure he will give you a free “consultation” if you call him. He helped our friends’ turn their freakishly anxious (rescue) Dalmatian into a well-behaved lady :)

*GORGEOUS* babies :)

Menace… you might want to check out a good behaviorist too… not because you’re a bad daddy ;) but it’s great bonding with your boy (they love to please ~ especially in the spotlight classes give them), not to mention it helps you define the rules so that he knows them even when around other dogs and people. There’s really no other way to teach them that… unless you want to take your chances at the dog park (which is ill advised if he’s not yet socialized). And post a pic already! I wanna see! :)

But yeah, typically dogs that are “trained” to be aggressive towards humans have actually “trained” their humans into (unknowingly) allowing them dominance. But saying “good boy” or praising him when he barks at strangers on your property is not training him to be aggressive… it’s thanking him for watching out for you! It can confuse (and scare) people, but I’ve learned that explaining to people (while gritting my teeth ;)) why I’m saying “good girl!” when Jordan barks helps ease their fears that I’m training her to rob a bank (http://www.filmvalues.com/Review.cfm?RecordID=170). But I feel ya… it’s really really really fucking annoying to have people (especially those without/afraid of dogs, let alone “dominant” breeds) go gangbuster on you, when you put most of your time and money raising the baby you love. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve wanted to scream when I hear the “my friends brother mom had a dobie and he like just all of a sudden turned on her cause his brain was too big for his skull” (http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~remember/articles/myths.html)… *ugh people*

Our Doberman pinscher (who is with me at work right now :) yay!) is extremely well trained/behaved & she absolutely LOVES the dog parks (especially Marymoore) ~ however I think anyone coming into our apartment with bad intentions would be very… VERY unhappy. Doggies can just sense that kind of thing… they really don’t need to be “trained.” The only time she has ever shown aggression towards a human was when one was lurking on our porch. I don’t think we’ll get any more “visitors” like that :)

Here is a pic of her (not the best :() http://pix.whybark.com/albums/072702_social/aaa.sized.jpg

over there on the right! (not me!)

Tata,
~c

[lisam]

carley you threadkilling bitch!! ;p

you post a cute picture of your doggy and that horrid beast behind it scares everyone off from posting

hehe...just silly me talkin shit and bumping an old thread

first picture of jordan i've seen since that westlake center one from months and months ago...yay doggies!

[outoftowner]

I have to wonder about people who own and love pits. Why do they have they need to have a dog that can kill people? Did your mommies not give you enough hugs when you was wittle? And personally I hate when you bring them around me...I think you people like intimidating others and having a tough dog is the only thing workin for ya at the present.

[Carley]

Why do they have they need to have a dog that can kill people?

I have to wonder about any person who has LITTLE PEOPLE! They are far more likely to kill another person than ANY animal.

And personally I hate when you bring them around me...

You know, when grown men cross the street when I am walking my (extremely loving) doberman, I laugh (funny ~ because they are usually of the same type that make lude comments when I'm alone).

If my doggie was going to eat somebody she would have done it already. She doesn't give two shits about you unless you try to hurt me; she just wants to play with her ball and snuggle on the couch with her mommy.

Doggies who kill people are usually not socialized. Their parents don't take them out to meet people; thus you don't need to worry about passing them as they would not be walking the poor things on the street. They probably spend their days locked up in a cage with no friends :( I'd be angry too!

carley you threadkilling bitch!! ;]

Heeheehee, that's right! Jojo is a big scary doggie! Don't fuck with me! ;)

~c

[outoftowner]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Carley


I have to wonder about any person who has LITTLE PEOPLE! They are far more likely to kill another person than [b]ANY animal.

Do you mean midgets or children? Anyway, I don't see why a midget or a child would be more likely to harm someone than a pitbull. And I'm not talking about people who have scary dogs for legitimate protection. I'm talking about you jackholes in college who bring your pitbulls to keg parties and such, and trust me, this happens. If you wanna look bad, wear a wife beater or find some other way of looking dumb without making me nervous with your nature's little killing machine with a mind of it's own.

[Shotsie]

I got bit on the ass by a pit bull once. The same dog also bit at least three other people on different occasions. They had to put the dog to sleep... :( I don't think his owner took care of him at all in the first place.

~Alissa~

[PinkChik]

i was mauled by a rottweiler when i was 8 years old. i have scars in 3 different places on my body from puncture wounds.
then again, i am lubba lubba loooooved by a friends rottweler that, no joke, is best friends with the kitty that lives there too.

so it just goes to show that a dog, no matter what kind, is only as good as it's owner.

[HexRei]

I hate it when dogs bark at me for the crime of walking by their house.
To me it's not different than if the owner came out and yelled at everyone who walked by.
At my last house there was a huge Rott mix down the street that I walked by on the way to and from my bus. It would come roaring out and bark at me thru a gap in the fence that was just big enuf for it to fit part of it's head through. It pissed me off so much that I would sometimes stop and yell back at it.
If that dog had ever busted through that gap or climbed the fence, they would have had the lawsuit from hell on their hands.

This (http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/07/15/dog.mauling.sentencing/) is why I think training a dog to be aggressive to strangers in any kind of an urban setting is irresponsible and dangerous.

[~Bliss~]

Raising your dog to "bark at people who walk by" is generally a bad idea. Most dogs (any breed) who are trained to do this eventually get out.
This is a general scenario (I job shadowed at a vet office once and you wouldn't believe how many dogs had to be put down because of this):

Dog is trained to bark at everyone who passes his fence. One day the dog gets out, starts barking at everyone that passes by. The dog can be either mean and chase the people he's barking at usually resulting in an attack, ... or the dog can be nice, but his bark is intimidating so the person runs. Dogs naturally run after people, dog becomes riled up and attacks.
I live in a very very small town, and the vet said they put down several cases of this a week. So imagine a town with more animals and such.

Anyway, every pit I've encountered is a great dog. My friend Eric has a pit named Broadie, shit son. He is huge. I hadn't seen him for about 6 months and he grew up so much. Fawn with tan eyes, but he's a mad humper. :-/ He's been around mass amounts of people his whole life so he is very calm and friendly, and loves people. I want a big beautiful pit like broadie.

k

[Carley]

Do you mean midgets or children? Anyway, I don't see why a midget or a child would be more likely to harm someone than a pitbull.

BOTH! Humans are lethal beasts incapable of not hurting one another. They should be put down for the well being of everyone.


This is why I think training a dog to be aggressive to strangers in any kind of an urban setting is irresponsible and dangerous.

That is *so* page 2.

;)

so it just goes to show that a dog, no matter what kind, is only as good as it's owner.

Totally. Don't even get me started on the lethal pomeranian.

~c

[HexRei]

Originally posted by Carley


That is *so* page 2.

;)
~c

I was kind of responding to what you said on page 2. All I can say is that if you're going to be training your dog to be hostile to strangers, you'd better have a leash welded onto it's neck and a lawyer on retainer.
And don't be surprised if, when it finally gets loose (as all dogs eventually do), someone shoots it because it's barking and chasing people in the street.
edit: I was using "you" in a general sense, not you personally.

[Carley]

was kind of responding to what you said on page 2

Kind of? :) What?

This?

>>But yeah, typically dogs that are “trained” to be aggressive towards humans have actually “trained” their humans into (unknowingly) allowing them dominance. But saying “good boy” or praising him when he barks at strangers on your property is not training him to be aggressive… it’s thanking him for watching out for you!

Not that it matters to anyone but "dog people," but there is quite a difference in training dogs to be aggressive towards humans (a big nono) and telling your doggie "thank you" for letting you know someone's at your door.

If you punish a doggie for barking, he wont (unless you aren't consistent ~ then he'll just be confused) and will most likely develop some bizzarre passive behavior when people come by (like urinating! Fun stuff!)

I mean, I guess that's ok... but personally, since Jordan is either going to bark or pee on the floor when people come by... I'd rather her bark with my permission and train her to "leave it" on command and be generally friendly to friendly people. There is no need to ever train a dog to be mean. They have plenty instinct when they need to. All of them. Even small doggies.

So this way she's not aggressive, not peeing everywhere, can still give friendly strangers a big smooch, and rapists a big GROWL!

Not that I use my baby for protection. She is my baby. I protect HER! I just evaluated my options and decided this method was best for everyone.

A behaviorist or trainer (as also suggested on page 2) can help you and your doggie learn the difference to prevent psychos that ram their heads against fences, and weinies that show their bellies to rapists.

On the side ~ this thread is so mute now. Nobody left to argue with. The only guy who *should* be hearing this crap got pissed off from everyone jumping on him and probably wont look back (and stick to his "own" training method). Too bad too.

Anyway. That is enough doggie geekdom from me.

Ciao,
~c

P.S. Since all of the doggie hysteria & breed banning... pitbull problems have declined! Yep! People are going out to get the larger breeds.

Boy! That was a well thought out idea!

Too bad you can't ban morons.

[HexRei]

Originally posted by Carley


Kind of? :) What?

This?

>>But yeah, typically dogs that are “trained” to be aggressive towards humans have actually “trained” their humans into (unknowingly) allowing them dominance. But saying “good boy” or praising him when he barks at strangers on your property is not training him to be aggressive… it’s thanking him for watching out for you!

Not that it matters to anyone but "dog people," but there is quite a difference in training dogs to be aggressive towards humans (a big nono) and telling your doggie "thank you" for letting you know someone's at your door.

If you punish a doggie for barking, he wont (unless you aren't consistent ~ then he'll just be confused) and will most likely develop some bizzarre passive behavior when people come by (like urinating! Fun stuff!)

I mean, I guess that's ok... but personally, since Jordan is either going to bark or pee on the floor when people come by... I'd rather her bark with my permission and train her to "leave it" on command and be generally friendly to friendly people. There is no need to ever train a dog to be mean. They have plenty instinct when they need to. All of them. Even small doggies.

So this way she's not aggressive, not peeing everywhere, can still give friendly strangers a big smooch, and rapists a big GROWL!

Not that I use my baby for protection. She is my baby. I protect HER! I just evaluated my options and decided this method was best for everyone.

A behaviorist or trainer (as also suggested on page 2) can help you and your doggie learn the difference to prevent psychos that ram their heads against fences, and weinies that show their bellies to rapists.

On the side ~ this thread is so mute now. Nobody left to argue with. The only guy who *should* be hearing this crap got pissed off from everyone jumping on him and probably wont look back (and stick to his "own" training method). Too bad too.

Anyway. That is enough doggie geekdom from me.

Ciao,
~c

P.S. Since all of the doggie hysteria & breed banning... pitbull problems have declined! Yep! People are going out to get the larger breeds.

Boy! That was a well thought out idea!

Too bad you can't ban morons.



Ya that is what I was replying to, I know you weren't condoning training a dog to be mean, which is why I was only kind of replying to you. I was really just taking the opportunity to bitch about the jerks who *do* think of their dog as an organic security system and thus train them to be hyper-aggressive.

[outoftowner]

i LOVE it. I fucked up the pit thread. MWUAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!! I am just taking my frustrations out on pit bulls cause they are soooo damn sexy! In fact I want to take out all the girls with mean doggies and wine them and dine them so they will know how much love I actually do have for them and their pitts.

[partykids2003]

We have two pits....Shiva and Kronik. They are such good dogs. I have never been around a breed of dog thats whole world revolves around pleasing its humans. I have a 4 month old son, and those dogs protect that kid like he was there own. Its amazing. We love our pits.
If a dog is barking at you through a fence..it doesnt mean that it wants to eat you...it means that he is protecting his territory, and wants you to know he is there. Its like setting a boundary (sp?)
I had a german sherpard try to kill me...it ran after me bounty hunter style through the woods....and leeme tell you...that sucker didnt bark once. It was like silent death. If its busy barking...its not eating your throat. so yay for that.
We know an assload of people with pits..and I have never met one that wasnt a sweet dog. I know there are some crazy ones..but there are crazy shitzus too. Dogs have personalities just like people do. And it depends how people raise them. Treat a dog mean..it will be.

[partykids2003]

Iron lung...pits begin to fill out around a year and a half...so just cause he is small now doesnt mean he isnt going to be bulky in a few months.
Pit bulls love spring poles. Our pits will hang from those things for hours.
For some reason..they love to hang. It is hilarious to watch. If anyone has a pit and doesnt have a springpole.(you need one!)..my husband makes them cheaper than you can buy them for...(they are generally spendy and hard to find)
If you want your pit to be a bit bigger in the chest and legs..they have wieght/sled pulling competitions in just about every state. The dogs love it. Sometimes they are held at the same time as the agility competitions...so check the internet for information on how to train, where to register, ect. Good luck, and have fun!

[siddie]

I have seriously considered gettin my boy into agility... i just KNOW he'd LOVE It... And he's smart enough too. I have also considered since I am hearing impaired of getting him trained in that aspect as well. To alert me of people at doors, phone rings, and even smoke alarms... :)
SiD

[Nukegrrrl]

Originally posted by marc_shrpnl


WTF??? Where do i start on this?...

First off,you dont have to TRAIN a dog to protect you.That comes with love. When your dog loves you he/she will protect you out of respect for you....

Granted, any dog will protect you when shown love, certain breeds are not the best for this.
W3RD!

I once had a devoted golden retriever that embodied sweetness and light. But sometimes if an unfamiliar dog or person approached me, my golden would protect me and take them down like there was no tomorrow. It absolutely wasn't because of training, it was just because he wanted me to be safe, like any well cared for dog.

[Masakai]

I don't have a pit bull but these are my prides and joys!!!

I love them soooo much they go every where with me!!

jabba - blk/wht
kitah - albino purebred (my princess)

I understand the time they take, but they are worth every single second.

http://www.jabbacom.com/igallery/DSC00228.JPG

[Carley]

Ya that is what I was replying to, I know you weren't condoning training a dog to be mean, which is why I was only kind of replying to you.

Oh ok... genius gets it now. :p Understood.


kitah - albino purebred (my princess)


Hey Jamie! She looks like a white german shepherd! Pretty :)