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MC Junglitachi Magic Wand
09-11-2002, 06:17 PM
This is something I have been pondering ever since the thought came to me while picking weeds in a field near the garbage dump while working for Labor Ready.

We can talk on and on about the "millions of peaceful Muslims in the world," but it won't change what Muslim governments and terrorists do. As far as I know, 95% of the world's Muslims ARE peaceful - the only two Islamic guys I've ever known were peaceful Engineering students who took some damn good footage of the debauchery at WSU's 2001-2002 courtyard parties. But the fact remains that most Muslim COUNTRIES sponsor or support terrorism, and let people get away with other crimes (think Saudi Arabia and kidnappings). Why is this?

Islam never underwent a reformation the same way Christianity did. The reformation is what brought us the concept of a government seperate from the church, and basically allowed governmental systems other than Feudalism and Monarchy to begin to exist. Muslims haven't done that, so the governments are often fundamentalist Islam (or even non-fundamentalist Islam) and the law is written in accordance only to the holy book.

One of the things I wonder though is this: Christianity started in -3 B.C. with the birth of Jesus Christ. However, Islam has only been around since what - 720 A.D.? If you look at it that way, where was Christianity 700 years ago?

As I recall it, 700 years ago Christians were crusading all over the place slaughtering Jews and Muslims for not being Christians and looting their villages. The church controlled the land. It wasn't the Roman Empire - it was the HOLY Roman Empire - and the Vatican was calling the shots.

Fast forward to 2002, and we have the whole idea of seperation of church and state, and a religion in which people can disagree with elders or government figures freely.

Here, then, is the question: Are the fundamentalist, warlike properties of Islam simply a byproduct of its relative immaturity? (relative, as compared with Christianity, Judaism, Buddhaism, etc). In 2700 A.D., are Muslims going to be as peaceful as Christians are? Post your thoughts.

Roddimus
09-11-2002, 07:14 PM
I think the problem of nationalistic hatred and violence goes deeper than just religion.
Religion is just an excuse.
Whenever you have a group of people who are oppressed, you will conversly have a larger group of people willing to do horrendous acts in retribution.
Look at WW2. The fascism and totalitarianism that came from the Axis were bread out of a sympathy for the suffering of the German people, post-Versaille.
If the European nations had not slammed Germany so vicously and caused such widespread suffering, dictators like Hitler and Mussolini would not have been able to take advantage of their people's anger in such a destructive manner.
Why do you think I hold such "progressive" opinions on Israel and Palestine? Because we're simply repeating history. Only this time we have a direct opportunity to stop the cycle by ending our blind support to Israel.
Like Europe after WW1, Israel is fostering an environment where the worst can rise to power.
Yes, in many cases religion is the primary glue bonding many Islamic nations and people to Palestine, but their governments' tendencies toward violence are not exclusive to their faith.

seattle science
09-11-2002, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Effendi
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Unfortunately, it appears to be boom biddy bye time again!!

Scott!!