Things I needed to say about all of this stuff!!!

[moonlight]

You know, I’m pretty sure I’ll regret typing this post, but it definitely needs to be said since the words are stirring inside of me (puts on big girl helmet). I’m definitely new to this “scene” and to be honest, I had some high hopes. The music always intrigued me as well as the people and the chance to do something new and different. Isn’t that what everyone is about these days? Trying to make new and sometimes positive changes in their lives. All this talk about jaded, newbie, and as someone said earlier—LABELS… simply reverts back to the same thing that disgusted me in HIGHSCHOOL and other “clique” environments. I was so disappointed yet enlightened after a few experiences in some of Seattle’s ‘finest’ clubs and venues(chuckles). It was definitely foolish of me to have all of the stereotype assumptions but one can only wonder and hope to find what they thought would exist. The whole motto: P.L.U.R. for some of you who aren’t sure what that is (J) Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect was the key factor in making me believe that this was definitely something to be a part of. The truth is, not too many encourage this message or show any knowledge of its existence. Now don’t get me wrong, maybe back in the day, a few years ago, the scene was beautiful--a musical utopia and such, and it’s really too damn bad that I couldn’t be a part of that, now it’s so corrupted that even you “old-skoolers” can see it. E-tards all over the place, drugs in every corner… drugs that cross that line that most people have, people there for the wrong reasons and such… I’m not pretending to be 100% innocent of all these things, but simply that these are the corrupters of something that could be potentially beautiful. The thing is, people changed themselves more than ever to fit into what really is one giant superficial clique. People assume that you don’t need to worry about acceptance here and there, but in reality, acceptance is more necessary in this scene than many others. Think about it, kandy kids vs. what seem to be “jaded ravers” or “snobby newbies”. It’s like this inner battle, and so many people are unwilling to share the experience with those that are standing outside trying to peek in. All it takes is an experience for people to realize whether or not they like it. Sometimes a few experiences. And wouldn’t we want those people who are truly touched by the music to feel welcomed and comfortable?? I apologize if all this seems a little exaggerated, but at the moment I’ve felt some frustration. I have friends in higher places who feel it necessary to put people in “designated places” …. Labeling them in all sorts of ways. I just wish people could sit back, relax and breathe and worry about themselves---allowing others to have a good time regardless of social status, or level of experience in this urban-sub-community. Cheezy as it sounds:
“Can’t we all just get along??”
Well I guess I’ll continue to enjoy all music genres especially the one that enlightens us all with the beats and melodies… *sigh* I just hope everyone else can do that as well. I have no problem with anyone, I practically love just about everyone and I hope to increase positive vibes in and around wherever I am. Thanks for listening.. just needed to vent~~

LAINY

P.S. The fact that I was sort of nervous about typing this and expressing my feelings to all of you's is kind of disturbing and makes me think... why do I care what so many of you think? Hmmm....

[Muad'dib]

wurd ;)

[HUGGLES]

Hi Lainy,

My name is John Thomas... I think for being a "newbie" you have a great judgment on the scene. In my opinion your values are right on and I hope you hold to your open minded morals. It is newbies like you which the scene needs. Oh, and seriously...

“jaded ravers” or “snobby newbies”.

I think the two above refer to the same person! ;)

Peace,

JTK

[Kosmicdog]

No one is going to pay attention to this until you learn to GGgGggggrRRRRr.....

[moonlight]

Thanks John... ummm Kosmic, I can understand how I may not seem too agressive and at sometimes not too assertive, but that's just the way I decided to go about it. It's not biggy if this doesn't become one of the "flaming folders" haha. I just needed to vent and I'm glad I did now. Thanks yo...
Lainy

[PulpMind]

Miss Lainy...
you hit the nail right on the head.
excuse my cheezyness here, but *hugs

I think when I started going to parties about 3 1/2 years ago, I was hitting nearly the last wave of, um, "universal plur"... granted, there was catagorization... newbies were still viewed with caution and disdain... maybe it's just me glossing the past, but I feel like then, things were just a little nicer... up until even the past couple years when I'd moved out of being a "newbie" and knew a few things, I could still see a bit of "plur" going around, and people watching out for eachother without the fear of being shunned...

when I go to the "raves" of today, it angers me and saddens me more than anything else. unlike the lucky ones, I can't just block out what's around me. I expect to hear an apology if someone accidentally bumps into me (not because I "deserve" it, but for common human courtesy)... I feel like I should be able to say hi to anyone at a party, and not feel like I have to worry about being smacked down by some drama ridden 14 year old...
cuz I used to be able to do this stuff... I think...

and maybe that's why I'm "jaded"... I lable myself like that jokingly, because when I go to the parties I enjoy (we'll get to that in a minute) I'm far from jaded... but jaded because I'm sad, and even angry, to see something with so much potential being destroyed by itself.

And I think that's why so many of the real "old schoolers" (generally, if someone proclaims they're "old school", then they are NOT), come off so harsh... because they did see something beautiful, or at least they remember it that way, and they see it deteriorating...

one thing I don't understad is the slew of newbies who think they're oldschool... for reference please see this link: http://ishkur.com/features/captions/7.htm


but fear not Lainy! [dramatic trumpet call] there is still hope... the forces of resistence, skattered around the greater northwest, have gathered troops and are prepared to love and encourage enlightenment among all!
whoo, now if that wasn't cheezy... but really, there are a few of us who's choses to more or less seperate ourselves from the "rave" scene and create something else... you might be familiar with [inertia labs]... there's a few other troupes out there who are donig the same...
in the words of the great and mighty (HA!) Muschi (founder of [inertia labs]) "I started throwing these things cuz the other parties sucked"
you probably won't recognize any of the names (if you do, then you're cooler than I thought)... you won't see any of our music idols mentioned on MTV, MTV2, Amp, or even C-89... and if you want to roll, well, go ahead, but you'll prolly have to ask someone else (instead of someone yelling in your face "E-BOMBS!")...

maybe you already know about these, I dunno =P you seem like you're pretty smart, so maybe I'm talking out of my ass and I've already seen you at these parties... but if not, e-mail me and I'll forward you some info on a few parties that might be a little closer to what you're looking for...

I was going to write alot more... I ramble... but I hope this lil diddy helps...

Shu'kran,
- Jesiah -

[Reno@FullCircle]

I say give it time.
There are peeps in the scene who bring good vibe to the dinner table.
You must look at each person as an individual not as a whole collective.

What one person does or feels does not constitute the whole scene.

remember we are all here for our own personal reasons. and that does tend to show in each individual person at some point.

and what stops you from trying to create this image or this idea that you have?
you just might find that you are not the only person with the same idea.

But it takes time.

[AthenA]

:::Humph:::

Hate to break it to ya, lady, but that's life. Remember that Disney movie "the Land Before Time" where the dinosaurs trek to a beautiful land of green trees, and the little guy carries that green star leaf the entire way? Well, they say that art imitates life...The only difference is that place with the green trees...Utopia, if you will, doesn't exist outside your mind. You seem hopeful, which is a wonderful thing, but I'm sad to say that you will be carrying your green star leaf forever. You may never find a place where the star leafs grow in abundance. Follow me? It's unfortunate, really, but no matter where you go, there will always be corruption like that which you speak of. Just like love, hope, and honor are aspects of every human, so are things like greed, ignorance, and evil (I use that term loosly). And although it doesn't seem fair, these characteristics are necessary for the balance that keeps us going as a society. So you keep your green star leaf green. Don't let anyone else come along and eat it. Charish it like your life, because it's all you've got, babe. The great valley doesn't exist, but if you're lucky, you can surround yourself with others who carry the green star leaf. I'm afraid that's the best you can do. Wow, I am all about the Disney analogies. :D

[PulpMind]

you can surround yourself with others who carry the green star leaf

then wouldn't this be the utopia in her case? for anyone who is fed up with what "raves" are?

the utopia does exist... it includes a veriety of people, and isn't perfect, but it shure as hell beats the "rave scene", AthenA...
living life and listening to good music doesn't have to include the shit that is the rave scene... there are other options, and just because you don't like, appreciate, or maybe even know about those options doesn't make them invalid.

Shu'kran,
- Jesiah -

[FireItUp]

man lainy, you think too much. maybe you should just go take a nap and simmer down. my brain hurts after i read this post and it still makes no sense.

[kjorb]

dont lose your Courage.
dont stop your dream.
things you can be turning roud,
will turn if you just slap your brain on the floor.
and a dream for peace is never in vain.
dreams we share,
are dreams we gain.

[AthenA]

I, PulpMind, I think you understand exactly what I'm saying, you just aren't hearing me correctly. Perhaps I didn't phrase it right. What I'm saying is, you can't pick a destination like a rave, festival, concert, sports event, etc, and expect it to be utopia, because you will always be disappointed. Utopia does exist, just not like that. My utopia is kickin back with my roommate, my boyfriend, and other buddies, sippin' a cold brew. See, I've surrounded myself with others that carry that green star leaf. I can't, however, go to some club and feel at home. There is no Great Valley. There isn't a specific place that I can go expecting to be utopia. Utopia doesn't exist outside the mind, which means that utopia is whatever, and where ever you make it. See what I'm saying? I'm not saying, "give up, doll. Life is hopeless and you will never be happy." I'm merely saying that one shouldn't put such high aspirations into a specific place or group of people, or you will most likely be disappointed. :D Oh, and when you do find utopia, you will discover that it is perfect. That is the whole point behind it.

[ 06-15-2001: Message edited by: AthenA ]

[monkeypoo]

You know, I just sortof read most of what everyone just posted and don't even realize what the point was. Something about 'old school' and 'newbies' and being jaded and such. You know, newbie has now become such the dirty word. Seven years ago NOONE ever used that word. Now being a newbie is synonymous with being a dirty goatfucker or something like that. Everyone seems out to not be the dirty goatfucker, to be part of that group that has *ascended* (did you hear the trance angels?) You know, I am old school. Really, I am! I've been going to these shows for ten years now and god, do I have some perspective on it all. I've seen mentalities/philosophies cycle over and over more often than I do laundry. That's a lot. Anyway, what I see is not 'the scene' and 'jaded ravers' & 'newbies' but just people doing something, some are just starting, others have been doing it too long. What do you really expect out of the scene? Hellooooo, the world is might fucked up. I don't blame people for wanting to escape, for looking for that Utopia, but I have the sneaking suspicion you will not find it in a dirty warehouse. I would say these shows (and the music) were a result of reviving sentiments of hippy culture (without the stinkyness) and peoples' desire to build a better planet through drugs and technology. It seems to have gotten lost somewhere along the way. When people get too high for too long they lose perspective. Others get disgusted with it all and just sort of disappear...like me I guess. Do I have a point? Probably not - I guess I'm just rambling like the last person, but I should point out that the scene should be viewed from different perspectives - from the macro to the micro and everywhere in between. That way it makes it so you can't really hate it or peoples' behavior. They're just doing what comes naturally, eg, being selfish, impolite, dirty bastards. I think social etiquette and more importantly, social awareness & responsibility are things that need to be cultivated and if a vast majority of people are completely ignorant of these qualities then I'm just another person talking out of his ass. poot! :)

[PulpMind]

shocka -
I agree 100%... now I don't know if I want to smile or be disgusted...

but that still doesn't mean one should be happy with "raves" as they are... but that's a whole 'nother discussion =)

Shu'kran,
- Jesiah -

PS - does anyone else feel like this discussion could be narrated by the voice at the very end of The Neverending Story?

[jesse orton]

I agree with this post. Very inteligant things are said. Im not claiming to be very inteligent myself but i too have noticed these cliques forming.Sometimes I wish tere were alot more 21 and over party's (sometimes).But Im not realy afected buy these cliques, not b-cause I dont fall In to any of the categories.But because my mind frame is so strong I cant be infected by Ignorant thoughts! I have been partying all over the world and theres always diversty were eva u go... :D

[moonlight]

Well I'm going to attempt a small reply to all of your posts. I agree that I have had high expectations, and I no longer expect "utopia" (laughs) at these local places. I've gotten advice from all sorts of people, even invites to several other options in the "scene". I haven't given up hope, I still love the music and some of the people, just the massive majority... well I guess I'll have fun for them.. I'll keep an open mind and I'll try to show love for all people. That's my goal/intentions. Thanks to all of you guys who understood what I was saying and for your support. Now... who's going to USC5?? :) Kidding!!! I hope whoever you are, you have fun in whatever you doing and that you try to keep an open mind. That's what it should be all about. Who cares what someone looks like, what knowledge they carry about a SELECTIVE SCENE, or even how long they've been a part of it... look beyond all that and try and see the person for who they are... the scene for it's potential, and the beauty of the music.

Maybe I should work for hallmark ;)

Well that's all she wrote, especially at 3 in the morning. Laters ya'll

Lainy
:D

[Syxx]

Lainy, your so cute sometimes. But I have to take alittle credit for 'enlighting' you. (stands-up and bows)...not trying to steal your 'thunder'.....opk yes I am(j/k) just happy to see that all MY GOD-LIKe WISDOM (lol) hasn't gone in one ear and out the other. You actually prove that I'm not 'JADED' ok maybe not when you first started going to partyz but people can change. :D I, PulpMind said it best in his first post. Most of the things he said I've pretty much said to you numerous times out of frustration.......I know you remember(lol) my many bitch out sessions. The scene has gotten really bad as of late....and for pointing that out 'JADED' is the label I get. Alaina you have grown leaps and bounds, and thats soooo cool :D You are truly a party-kid. Yeah I may often give you a hard-time but, I'm truly lucky to have you as a friend. :rolleyes: :p And don't be mad at Genny, I've found the youthfulness that I've been lacking the last few months when I hang-out with her friends......and they're accepting of the fact that I'm BI (who-knows how they found out)(lol)....its a non-issue when we hang-out and thats hella cool. OOPs forgot where I was(lol) thought this was e-mail...... I'll call you today.

P.S. And just for reference I've set my sights on Niel, Tim's sooooooo not my type(loL)
:D

[ 06-16-2001: Message edited by: Syxx ]

[ 06-16-2001: Message edited by: Syxx ]

[moonlight]

Syxx...

*hug*

You make me laugh, that's the reason I love you, haha... and I'm glad that you've finally "accepted" me. *jumps up and down* yaaaaay!!!! ;) :rolleyes:
Love ya,
Lainy

[Syxx]

Lainy.....I alwayz accepted YOU. :) :rolleyes:

[ 06-16-2001: Message edited by: Syxx ]

[OoBer]

Hey Lainy,

Don't be afraid to express your opinions. Some might not like them, but as long as you have good ideas others will back you up =)

I must admit i never really realized untill today how much drama there is in this scene. I am I guess what you might call a newbie, but unlike how i've heard newcomers described I go to raves for these reasons; I love the great music. When I go to a party I talk to anyone and everyone that looks like they can understand me, I have always meet great people, I've never felt in danger. So my next reason is the people. Maybe im just lucky that my experience has been so great...
Also I go to dance! I simply look forward to nothing more then dancing at a rave to great music. I must confess i know not of the terminoligy u guys use here in a lot of the posts, or the names of a bunch of song and DJ's or even really who is producing the party im at, but I think i jumped in the scene with the right attitude, and this is why.

My first rave was Freak Night 2000, not to long ago, I danced for 8 hours straight, with glowsticks, i know i looked stupid... but i had fun, and i didn't use any hard drugs. Second rave i was fortunate enough to meet a bunch of really cool really friendly board members. Most have been in the scene for a while. They didn't shun me, they didn't laugh at my inability to dance, but they directly influenced my attitude towards the scene with thier attitudes and friendlyness. Many people complain about all these newbies ruining the scene, but how many of you go out and forge friendships with those newbies, and enlighten them as I was??? Make them feel welcome and safe, help them understand E is bad stuff to play with. Educate them on how to fit into the scene the right way, instead of becoming an E-tard, or dead. Maybe thats the real problem, not enough "Old School Ravers" practice the PLUR that they miss so much, and talk about so often. I only used E 3 times because friendly people told me it would melt my brain away! Now I go sober, except for pills perscribed to me LEGALY to keep me dancing all night long. So not all hope for this scene is lost in my opinion. but, then again i'm just a newbie so what do I know??

OoBeR
"Everything is Relative"

[moonlight]

Originally posted by OoBer:
<STRONG>Hey Lainy,

Don't be afraid to express your opinions. Some might not like them, but as long as you have good ideas others will back you up =)

I must admit i never really realized untill today how much drama there is in this scene. I am I guess what you might call a newbie, but unlike how i've heard newcomers described I go to raves for these reasons; I love the great music. When I go to a party I talk to anyone and everyone that looks like they can understand me, I have always meet great people, I've never felt in danger. So my next reason is the people. Maybe im just lucky that my experience has been so great...
Also I go to dance! I simply look forward to nothing more then dancing at a rave to great music. I must confess i know not of the terminoligy u guys use here in a lot of the posts, or the names of a bunch of song and DJ's or even really who is producing the party im at, but I think i jumped in the scene with the right attitude, and this is why.

My first rave was Freak Night 2000, not to long ago, I danced for 8 hours straight, with glowsticks, i know i looked stupid... but i had fun, and i didn't use any hard drugs. Second rave i was fortunate enough to meet a bunch of really cool really friendly board members. Most have been in the scene for a while. They didn't shun me, they didn't laugh at my inability to dance, but they directly influenced my attitude towards the scene with thier attitudes and friendlyness. Many people complain about all these newbies ruining the scene, but how many of you go out and forge friendships with those newbies, and enlighten them as I was??? Make them feel welcome and safe, help them understand E is bad stuff to play with. Educate them on how to fit into the scene the right way, instead of becoming an E-tard, or dead. Maybe thats the real problem, not enough "Old School Ravers" practice the PLUR that they miss so much, and talk about so often. I only used E 3 times because friendly people told me it would melt my brain away! Now I go sober, except for pills perscribed to me LEGALY to keep me dancing all night long. So not all hope for this scene is lost in my opinion. but, then again i'm just a newbie so what do I know??

OoBeR
"Everything is Relative"</STRONG>

Well it sounds like you've been easily pursuaded in good and bad ways. I'm getting over my fear/inability to express what I want to say. It's good that you've had nothing but wonderful experiences, but I wonder, how open are your eyes? Do you pay attention to all of the craziness around you? By chance did you go to USC5.. I mean it was a given that a massive like that would open doors for so many questionable things. I went, and I had no high expectations, and that's why I had fun. I never ever said that all of my experiences, as a fairly new person, were bad. I've had some really good experiences, but the bad ones opened my eyes and kept them there. And that's when I saw everything I said I saw. well It's early and I'm very tired I'll finish this laters.
Lainy

[tallcan]

message to moonlight:

Spend more time in PDX and less in Seattle.
You'll find more friends down here.

[OoBer]

Trust me My eyes are open to the crazyness all around me. When I said all my experience have been great I guess I lied... Sorry. I did go to a certin Bad Boy Bill party at a certain place that i hate with passion =) When i walked up to see if the Vip line was still open I was greated by to half alive people being carried out on stretchers who later died... The dance floor was PACKED sholder to sholder IT SUCKED! but you know what im just one of those people that likes to focus on the positive side of things... And all that crazyness is why the scene needs a major overhaul. But the problem is that more people have to care about it rather then not care, and unfortunatly that isnt going to happen ne time soon. please understand i've not been persuaded by anything other then optimisim, and an idea, a good idea. Unfortunatly not enough people have respect for the music, the people, the rules, or the people that LOSE money when not enough people buy tickets. and infact USC5 was what promted me to come and take an interest in posting my thoughts here. I talked to close to 50 people just to meet them. I was pleasently surprised to learn that there were almost half of them that were there for the reasons i was. Maybe i just attract good people. But please enlighten me to the crazyness you speak of, maybe you see thing that I have missed.

[Gunesh]

Namaste'

thank you moonlight for sharing your thoughts. I too experience your frustrations. There is no more room for these labels any more. Its not productive, and if you look around you, you can see clearly where it has gotten us.

I was at a party last night with a predominantly older crowd, and none of them were really dancing. It was as if they had already forgotten why they started dancing and enjoying the music, and enjoying meeting new faces.

Yowzers said: Spend more time in PDX and less in Seattle. You'll find more friends down here.

If we always see the grass is greener on the other side, how are we to remedy what has become of things in our local community?

Its time for everyone to wake up, and start seeing things with their hearts.

peace to all of you who understang what I say. And if you don't understand, just listen to your heart and you will know what I'm talking about.

peace,

jahru

[ 06-17-2001: Message edited by: jahrü ]

[tallcan]

it was really more of a joke than anything else.

[OoBer]

Jahru I see what you meant about last night there werent many dancing, at least there was room to dance unlike many previous parties ive been to but We really need to respect the music more, and the people, not the drugs... :cool:

[moonlight]

Well OoBer, the craziness I speak of is all around you, especially if you went to USC5. Granted, it was a massive and deserves no high expectations, I still had fun without paying too much attention to those around me. Like you, I met lots of good people but if you really think about it, their reasons for being there aren't always what they seem. A lot of times their reasons deal with acceptance, the use of drugs, just being in what's new and "hype" and other similar things. Just look at all the younger etards that were everywhere at the Expo center. Wasn't that a sad reality??? I didn't try to think of it much while I was there, but afterwards it made me think about what my money really went towards, and what that party truly represented. That party allowed all the stereotypes people have about this scene to exist. I'm just glad there wasn't anything quite as serious as you've said you've experienced with OD'rs and stuff in the past. Overall, I'm just saying, if you really take a look around you and see inside of people you'll understand what I'm saying. There's good in everyone and it's cool that you see it, I see that at first as well, but when you read the fine print, it's quite sad, and sometimes not too pretty.

and to yowzers, thanks for the invite but that's a little far. To jahru, maybe you took that a little more seriously than needed, but I can see what your point was. Thank you for your understanding and your kind words! It's good to see that other people feel where I'm coming from .

Laters ya'll
Lainy

[Charismatic1]

There will always be 'jaided ravers,' 'candy kids,' and 'snobby newbies.' What can you do? All YOU and many of the other ravers can do is just be the way we've always been in the scene. We can try to add more positive vibes as much as we can. But we also have to think about negative things we've could've done at parties. Not drugs, or making out with people, or hanging out with certain groups, BUT how we view and judge other people...that's the whole key element to make a GREAT party. If there is no social class of ravers, color, acting superior, or judging then we can fucking party. But we have to fix the whole "I'm better/cooler than you" attitude. Does that make sense? I'm kinda blabbing..but I think you guys get what I'm saying. We have got to be ONE! Until people can realize labeling people and judging people aren't the thing and are cramping the rave scene...then I guess we're stuck then....

Charisma

P.S. sorry if I sounded stupid my mind is a bit scattered :)

[moonlight]

Originally posted by Charismatic1:
<STRONG>There will always be 'jaided ravers,' 'candy kids,' and 'snobby newbies.' What can you do? All YOU and many of the other ravers can do is just be the way we've always been in the scene. We can try to add more positive vibes as much as we can. But we also have to think about negative things we've could've done at parties. Not drugs, or making out with people, or hanging out with certain groups, BUT how we view and judge other people...that's the whole key element to make a GREAT party. If there is no social class of ravers, color, acting superior, or judging then we can fucking party. But we have to fix the whole "I'm better/cooler than you" attitude. Does that make sense? I'm kinda blabbing..but I think you guys get what I'm saying. We have got to be ONE! Until people can realize labeling people and judging people aren't the thing and are cramping the rave scene...then I guess we're stuck then....

Charisma

P.S. sorry if I sounded stupid my mind is a bit scattered :)</STRONG>

That's what we were saying in a sense. By each of us just doing the best we can do stay open minded and loving to people, we can be "as one" as you stated and start improving our scene. Glad that you see where were all coming from ;)

[AthenA]

But we have to fix the whole "I'm better/cooler than you" attitude.

I hate to be the realist in this discussion, but that's never going to happen. The best we can do is regulate our own behavior. As for social hierarchies and cliques and predjudices....they will always be around. It is human nature. Whenever anything gets big enough to include almost everyone, alliances begin to form, and people are forced to catagorize themselves and others for the sake of conversation, if nothing more. It's great to see so many open-minded, hopeful people, but don't kid yourselves. The rave "scene" will never be the same as it was years ago when everything was sunshine and lollipops. The best we can do it keep our heads up, positively influence our friends and associates, and wait until this fad blows over. Eventually, the fringe will find something bigger and better than raves, and we can begin to reconstruct the community. :D

[itsallaboutthemusic]

lainy....thats my fave name ever! only heard it one time b4, and that was in the movie 'dream a little dream'.

anyway, i would jus like to say that i think the whole thing is a personal decision. i am much older than the typical party-goer, so i kinda have a bit more perspective i guess. it jus comes down to not subscribing to the labels of others. you choose those you associate with (friends, acquantences, etc), and you can have the beatiful time in this scene with them. you do not have to be affected whatsoever by the drugs and cliques if you choose not to be. always be willing to meet new quality people and incoroporate them into your personal experience, while just ignoring the negitive aspects (which ALL cultures contain to some level). i dont know, for me i just get lost in the music and usually it becomes a personal experience for me. when you turn it into a social experience, there is bound to be conflict; just try to minimize that.

i really think you are on the right track; just stay the course and beleive in yourself/your experience!

[moonlight]

Well these are the things I've learned and are going to use from here on:

I usually have more fun being engulfed in the music and just having the time of my life on my own without any worries about any other people

I can better the scene by staying open minded and just being myself without labels, or judgements against any others.

It's about the music, not the people... not the drugs, or anything else. it's that bump bump, thump thump, phat beat taking over your mind, body and soul and making you move. Ahhh sigh... that makes me happy all in itself :)

Well of course there's much more, and I wanna thank ya'lls for your advice, compliments and more! There are cool peeps out there... and Adena, thanks for the reality check. I'm realistic and idealistic all at once and I realize it's a much easier said than done. Thanks ;)

Laters,
Lainy

[OoBer]

It's about the music, not the people... not the drugs, or anything else.

I have to disagree with this statement.

We can change the scene, it just takes time and people that care. When i first started out I just wanted to get fucked up, and fit in, just like many of these kids coming into the scene. Its just that they aren't being pulled into our side of the scene because we don't try to!

I never would have cared about this whole issue if not for a few cool people taking an interest in me and giving me a chance at a party. I think thats all it takes, get to the kids before they get to the E, and maybe a year from now the newbies can come into it with the right attitude, and filter out the E-tards.

I think its the media's fault really, they have broadcasted that raves are just Drug parties so the drugies flock to them, and the music lovers steer clear.

Maybe it is to late to change the massives , but at least the idea is still alive and kickin :)

[moonlight]

Originally posted by OoBer:
<STRONG> I have to disagree with this statement.

We can change the scene, it just takes time and people that care. When i first started out I just wanted to get fucked up, and fit in, just like many of these kids coming into the scene. Its just that they aren't being pulled into our side of the scene because we don't try to!

I never would have cared about this whole issue if not for a few cool people taking an interest in me and giving me a chance at a party. I think thats all it takes, get to the kids before they get to the E, and maybe a year from now the newbies can come into it with the right attitude, and filter out the E-tards.

I think its the media's fault really, they have broadcasted that raves are just Drug parties so the drugies flock to them, and the music lovers steer clear.

Maybe it is to late to change the massives , but at least the idea is still alive and kickin :)</STRONG>


Umm so what exactly do you think it's about then? Your being quite an idealist. I did say later in my post that I'd keep an open mind and try to show love for all people, but it is truly about the music. Think about it...

[OoBer]

Honestly, its all about a lot of different things to different people.

For me it always going to be about the Need burning inside me to dance to the music, and desire to explore new friendships. I didn't mean to attack you Lainy. I agree with most of what you have said so far. I just think that good people are needed for a good rave. I guess I need to go to different parties, with more open minded people like you.

[moonlight]

Originally posted by OoBer:
<STRONG>Honestly, its all about a lot of different things to different people.

For me it always going to be about the Need burning inside me to dance to the music, and desire to explore new friendships. I didn't mean to attack you Lainy. I agree with most of what you have said so far. I just think that good people are needed for a good rave. I guess I need to go to different parties, with more open minded people like you.</STRONG>

okay then. Definitely agree with the need burning inside of you. It's cool, I'm glad were on a similar wave length. We should definitely kick it sometime at an outdoor party or somewhere with an interesting vibe~~
We'll see what happens in the near future! :)

[DEA]

drama in the scene?
hehehehehe
there's more drama on this board than anywhere else! :)
anyway, always express what you feel on the board. you'll find most people on here are very bitchy and like to reply with negitive and jaded remarks, but don't let it rub off you.
the scene is continuing to grow. in many different ways. some good, some bad. but it's up to you how and what you make of it. peace

[koska]

like DEA said, maybe its cuz this board is nothin but a bunch of whiners

-25% of the posts consists of bitchng about naf
-25% bitching about hiphop
-50% bitching about all the etards
- and about another 100% bitching about anything else possible

[moonlight]

Hey.. does anyone else no much more about the inertia labs??? Very appealing. Hmm oh well :)

[Jinger]

I guess I like to make things as simple as I can. Just remember this:

You can't change anyone but yourself.
Be true to what you believe, research what you support and treat others the way you want to be treated.

Cheesy, I know! I hope that you realize after the responses (or most of them) that there are good people in this scene, you just have to look for them!

[PulpMind]

[inertia labs] (http://www.mutated.org)

[Vick_the_Vapor]

How to swim in a sea of muck.

Some people hate raves, some hate Kandee Kids, some hate massives... but not me, I swim with the sharks and the pirrahna.

Take USC5 for example. There were a lot of really young people, there were a lot of really sleezy and sketchy people, there were a lot of idiots there. I talked to only 3 people that I have never known before. Doesn't sound like many considering that there were 18,000 people there. And I had fun. No matter where I go, I usually have a good time. How?

Is the scene getting you down? Are you looking for the lost PLUR? Here is how you do it.

Have you ever managed to dance just ofr yourself? Just going all out to please your soul and not giving a damn about what other people think? When this kind of dance draws to a close, look around. There is a very good chance that someone is watching you. If they are, take a quick read of their expression. Is he or she giving you the up and down? That is no good. Is that other person smiling at you? Does he or she look like they are just basking in the glow of your vibe? If they look like they are, then you have found a person you should talk to.

When you are walking around and you are projecting a certain mood (hopefully pure happiness) then when you see someone else projecting the same, go talk to them.

These people feel the same thihng you do.

You don't need 18,000 people feeling the same that you do for you to have a good time. To be honest, I have kinda trained my brain to not register the negative people. Brush them off, but do it nicely and don't give them a second thought. The second thought is how you let them get to you. Find those that are portraying the feeling that you want to be around and talk to them, remember them, call them.

Sure, the scene isn't the greatest, but nothing is ever perfect for everyone. Give to the scene what you think it needs. Find those hidden places and people in the scene that give you what you need. This is how I swim in the muck. And I love the muck for what it is because I have fond memories of the pockets of clear refreshing water... and I will search for all those who are pure in spirit.

Happiness can not survive in the muck without you learning how to swim... this kind of learning does not come easy, so you have to work for it.
You get what you put into it.

I hope this helps a little. :D

[OoBer]

;) hit me up on aim sometime Laniy

[moonlight]

Have you ever managed to dance just ofr yourself? Just going all out to please your soul and not giving a damn about what other people think? When this kind of dance draws to a close, look around. There is a very good chance that someone is watching you. If they are, take a quick read of their expression. Is he or she giving you the up and down? That is no good. Is that other person smiling at you? Does he or she look like they are just basking in the glow of your vibe? If they look like they are, then you have found a person you should talk to.

When you are walking around and you are projecting a certain mood (hopefully pure happiness) then when you see someone else projecting the same, go talk to them.



That's the state of mind I was in at USC5 and that's why I had fun. It's so cool that you relate! ;) It makes the whole experience so much fun! Ahhh *release*
thanks~

[moonlight]

I'm so glad that there are so many cool peeps out there. To be honest, this board can tend to be somewhat tense and aggressive. People need to learn to accept differences with other people and not bash them, but keep an open mind. I thank all of you for being that way. It's very very cool.
Thanks so much for keeping me interested in the scene through the keeping of an open mind and remembering my love of the music, and even the people. Ahhhh~~ now lets dance ;)