Just doing their patriotic duty.....

[Mike S]

I love it.. while skipping class to protest a war against an Arab country they loot an Arab immigrants store.
Typical.


Canoga High protest turns into looting


By Lisa M. Sodders and Ryan Oliver
Staff Writers

An anti-war march against the U.S. policy on Iraq by about 500 Canoga Park High School students turned ugly Wednesday when some in the crowd started looting a gas station convenience store and disrupting traffic.

A group of students who skipped class to participate in the lunchtime protests stole candy bars and knocked over displays at the Mobil gas station at the corner of Topanga Canyon and Victory boulevards, officials said. Five of them were detained on suspicion of vandalism and theft, said Officer Jason Lee, a police spokesman.

Store owner Masood Behroozi said his clerk saw several students knocking over racks, breaking glasses and swiping snack foods. The whole incident was recorded on a surveillance tape that was turned over to police, he said. "They were just joking and laughing and doing this for fun."

"I know they are kids and they are young, but if they really love peace, they should show that they at least believe what they say," Behroozi said. "I don't really care about the material loss. I'm just sad in my heart they would do this."

The march was part of a worldwide protest against U.S. policy, and drew thousands of Los Angeles-area high school and college students throughout the city. Los Angeles police arrested 18 protesters downtown for failure to disperse and other misdemeanors when they blocked traffic for more than an hour.

Canoga Park High Principal Dennis Thompson said he was disheartened by the students' actions. "In this great country of ours, we have the right to express our feelings and the kids that organized this march wanted to send a message and, unfortunately, that message was not heard because of the actions of just a few kids."

Local district superintendent Deborah Leidner added: "A handful of youngsters took what was an honest concern of many and created a diversion from that through their actions, and that saddens me. For the most part, our kids are sincere in their concerns, peaceful, and they really believe in their cause."

Districtwide, students from 22 schools participated in Wednesday's class walkout, said LAUSD police Officer Jose Rios.

The protests were organized by numerous groups, including Not in Our Name, Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace, and the Coalition for World Peace.

Tens of thousands of students at more than 300 colleges and universities nationwide had pledged to join the protests, according to the National Youth and Student Peace Coalition. Thousands of students also rallied for peace in Britain, Sweden, Spain, Australia and other countries.

In the Valley, about 30 Sylmar High School students marched more than five miles Wednesday morning, carrying anti-war signs and chanting slogans in Spanish such as "The people united will never be divided."

"We're not doing this just to leave school," said Sylmar High student Patty Leon, 14, who has a brother in the Marines. "We're doing this to get our voices heard."

LAUSD high schools were giving high school exit exams Wednesday and several school officials said while they understood the students' views, there were better forums to express them than leaving school.

Sylmar High Principal Linda Calvo said the students who left the campus would be considered truant.

"I understand they felt they needed to send a message; we just have to make sure they're safe and the instructional program is not disrupted."

San Fernando High School Principal Jose Luis said a group of adults appeared outside the school at noon, and called for the students to join them, shouting obscenities at administrators. He estimated that only three students left; school officials will study videotape before deciding penalties.

"We have been very proactive about this," Rodriguez said, adding that the school offered an after-school forum on the war last month. "I told the kids there is a procedure for expression during school time and we certainly will help you do that. Walking out of school is against policy and unacceptable."

Maritza Merchor, 16, a Sylmar High School student, shrugged off any concerns about possible penalties for walking out Wednesday.

"It doesn't really matter," she said. "It's a statement -- a lot of people are against the war. America is the one who looks bad."

The protest also drew students from Monroe High in North Hills, Grant High in Valley Glen and Verdugo High in Tujunga.

Students at California State University, Northridge, gathered at busy intersections along Nordhoff Street to protest.

At Glendale Community College, more than 100 protesters gathered on the campus's grassy central plaza, holding picket signs and listening to speeches over a loudspeaker.

"Protesting is more patriotic than going to war," said Fred Greissing, 42, who was dressed as an injured soldier in a torn, blood-stained shirt and fatigues. "I'm supporting the troops right now -- they are being used as cannon fodder for an unnecessary war."

---

[seattle science]

Brilliant!

Originally posted by Mike S
I love it.. while skipping class to protest a war against an Arab country they loot an Arab immigrants store.
Typical.


Canoga High protest turns into looting


By Lisa M. Sodders and Ryan Oliver
Staff Writers

An anti-war march against the U.S. policy on Iraq by about 500 Canoga Park High School students turned ugly Wednesday when some in the crowd started looting a gas station convenience store and disrupting traffic.

A group of students who skipped class to participate in the lunchtime protests stole candy bars and knocked over displays at the Mobil gas station at the corner of Topanga Canyon and Victory boulevards, officials said. Five of them were detained on suspicion of vandalism and theft, said Officer Jason Lee, a police spokesman.

Store owner Masood Behroozi said his clerk saw several students knocking over racks, breaking glasses and swiping snack foods. The whole incident was recorded on a surveillance tape that was turned over to police, he said. "They were just joking and laughing and doing this for fun."

"I know they are kids and they are young, but if they really love peace, they should show that they at least believe what they say," Behroozi said. "I don't really care about the material loss. I'm just sad in my heart they would do this."

The march was part of a worldwide protest against U.S. policy, and drew thousands of Los Angeles-area high school and college students throughout the city. Los Angeles police arrested 18 protesters downtown for failure to disperse and other misdemeanors when they blocked traffic for more than an hour.

Canoga Park High Principal Dennis Thompson said he was disheartened by the students' actions. "In this great country of ours, we have the right to express our feelings and the kids that organized this march wanted to send a message and, unfortunately, that message was not heard because of the actions of just a few kids."

Local district superintendent Deborah Leidner added: "A handful of youngsters took what was an honest concern of many and created a diversion from that through their actions, and that saddens me. For the most part, our kids are sincere in their concerns, peaceful, and they really believe in their cause."

Districtwide, students from 22 schools participated in Wednesday's class walkout, said LAUSD police Officer Jose Rios.

The protests were organized by numerous groups, including Not in Our Name, Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace, and the Coalition for World Peace.

Tens of thousands of students at more than 300 colleges and universities nationwide had pledged to join the protests, according to the National Youth and Student Peace Coalition. Thousands of students also rallied for peace in Britain, Sweden, Spain, Australia and other countries.

In the Valley, about 30 Sylmar High School students marched more than five miles Wednesday morning, carrying anti-war signs and chanting slogans in Spanish such as "The people united will never be divided."

"We're not doing this just to leave school," said Sylmar High student Patty Leon, 14, who has a brother in the Marines. "We're doing this to get our voices heard."

LAUSD high schools were giving high school exit exams Wednesday and several school officials said while they understood the students' views, there were better forums to express them than leaving school.

Sylmar High Principal Linda Calvo said the students who left the campus would be considered truant.

"I understand they felt they needed to send a message; we just have to make sure they're safe and the instructional program is not disrupted."

San Fernando High School Principal Jose Luis said a group of adults appeared outside the school at noon, and called for the students to join them, shouting obscenities at administrators. He estimated that only three students left; school officials will study videotape before deciding penalties.

"We have been very proactive about this," Rodriguez said, adding that the school offered an after-school forum on the war last month. "I told the kids there is a procedure for expression during school time and we certainly will help you do that. Walking out of school is against policy and unacceptable."

Maritza Merchor, 16, a Sylmar High School student, shrugged off any concerns about possible penalties for walking out Wednesday.

"It doesn't really matter," she said. "It's a statement -- a lot of people are against the war. America is the one who looks bad."

The protest also drew students from Monroe High in North Hills, Grant High in Valley Glen and Verdugo High in Tujunga.

Students at California State University, Northridge, gathered at busy intersections along Nordhoff Street to protest.

At Glendale Community College, more than 100 protesters gathered on the campus's grassy central plaza, holding picket signs and listening to speeches over a loudspeaker.

"Protesting is more patriotic than going to war," said Fred Greissing, 42, who was dressed as an injured soldier in a torn, blood-stained shirt and fatigues. "I'm supporting the troops right now -- they are being used as cannon fodder for an unnecessary war."

---

[outoftowner]

Just goes to show you how much of a novelty this peace thing is for some youthful protestors.

[Mike S]

Speaking of youthfull protestors... Check out these middle school students. (Salmon Bay Middle School, Ballard)
How many of em do you think really understand what is going on?
Can you say leftist indoctrination in our public schools?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/403082121.jpg

This is just revolting.

If I were a parent and i found out my kid was in this I'd be suing the fuck out of the school district.

MS

[burnt]

oh how cute, Kevin's in the back row standing next to Winnie...I hope they hook up and go to the dance together.

[186k\sec]

If I were a parent and i found out my kid was in this I'd be suing the fuck out of the school district.
for what Mike>??!
are they being forced to participate>? I dont know.. but,
kids have rights & voice too, and it doesnt take a whole lot of experience to understand the differences between war & peace.

[Tecknowledgy]

Originally posted by seattle science
Brilliant!





You fuckin' dick...fuck you...I can't fathom a reason why you would quote that whole article and then reply with Brilliant!

That's not-so-brilliant you ass.

[seattle science]

lol

I knew somebody would come at me with that, brilliantly thinking that I might care.


Originally posted by Mike S
I love it.. while skipping class to protest a war against an Arab country they loot an Arab immigrants store.
Typical.


Canoga High protest turns into looting


By Lisa M. Sodders and Ryan Oliver
Staff Writers

An anti-war march against the U.S. policy on Iraq by about 500 Canoga Park High School students turned ugly Wednesday when some in the crowd started looting a gas station convenience store and disrupting traffic.

A group of students who skipped class to participate in the lunchtime protests stole candy bars and knocked over displays at the Mobil gas station at the corner of Topanga Canyon and Victory boulevards, officials said. Five of them were detained on suspicion of vandalism and theft, said Officer Jason Lee, a police spokesman.

Store owner Masood Behroozi said his clerk saw several students knocking over racks, breaking glasses and swiping snack foods. The whole incident was recorded on a surveillance tape that was turned over to police, he said. "They were just joking and laughing and doing this for fun."

"I know they are kids and they are young, but if they really love peace, they should show that they at least believe what they say," Behroozi said. "I don't really care about the material loss. I'm just sad in my heart they would do this."

The march was part of a worldwide protest against U.S. policy, and drew thousands of Los Angeles-area high school and college students throughout the city. Los Angeles police arrested 18 protesters downtown for failure to disperse and other misdemeanors when they blocked traffic for more than an hour.

Canoga Park High Principal Dennis Thompson said he was disheartened by the students' actions. "In this great country of ours, we have the right to express our feelings and the kids that organized this march wanted to send a message and, unfortunately, that message was not heard because of the actions of just a few kids."

Local district superintendent Deborah Leidner added: "A handful of youngsters took what was an honest concern of many and created a diversion from that through their actions, and that saddens me. For the most part, our kids are sincere in their concerns, peaceful, and they really believe in their cause."

Districtwide, students from 22 schools participated in Wednesday's class walkout, said LAUSD police Officer Jose Rios.

The protests were organized by numerous groups, including Not in Our Name, Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace, and the Coalition for World Peace.

Tens of thousands of students at more than 300 colleges and universities nationwide had pledged to join the protests, according to the National Youth and Student Peace Coalition. Thousands of students also rallied for peace in Britain, Sweden, Spain, Australia and other countries.

In the Valley, about 30 Sylmar High School students marched more than five miles Wednesday morning, carrying anti-war signs and chanting slogans in Spanish such as "The people united will never be divided."

"We're not doing this just to leave school," said Sylmar High student Patty Leon, 14, who has a brother in the Marines. "We're doing this to get our voices heard."

LAUSD high schools were giving high school exit exams Wednesday and several school officials said while they understood the students' views, there were better forums to express them than leaving school.

Sylmar High Principal Linda Calvo said the students who left the campus would be considered truant.

"I understand they felt they needed to send a message; we just have to make sure they're safe and the instructional program is not disrupted."

San Fernando High School Principal Jose Luis said a group of adults appeared outside the school at noon, and called for the students to join them, shouting obscenities at administrators. He estimated that only three students left; school officials will study videotape before deciding penalties.

"We have been very proactive about this," Rodriguez said, adding that the school offered an after-school forum on the war last month. "I told the kids there is a procedure for expression during school time and we certainly will help you do that. Walking out of school is against policy and unacceptable."

Maritza Merchor, 16, a Sylmar High School student, shrugged off any concerns about possible penalties for walking out Wednesday.

"It doesn't really matter," she said. "It's a statement -- a lot of people are against the war. America is the one who looks bad."

The protest also drew students from Monroe High in North Hills, Grant High in Valley Glen and Verdugo High in Tujunga.

Students at California State University, Northridge, gathered at busy intersections along Nordhoff Street to protest.

At Glendale Community College, more than 100 protesters gathered on the campus's grassy central plaza, holding picket signs and listening to speeches over a loudspeaker.

"Protesting is more patriotic than going to war," said Fred Greissing, 42, who was dressed as an injured soldier in a torn, blood-stained shirt and fatigues. "I'm supporting the troops right now -- they are being used as cannon fodder for an unnecessary war."

---

Originally posted by seattle science
Brilliant!

Originally posted by Tecknowledgy


You fuckin' dick...fuck you...I can't fathom a reason why you would quote that whole article and then reply with Brilliant!

That's not-so-brilliant you ass.

[Mike S]

Originally posted by 186k\sec

for what Mike>??!
are they being forced to participate>? I dont know.. but,
kids have rights & voice too, and it doesnt take a whole lot of experience to understand the differences between war & peace.

For what!? Are you serious!?

Obviously it takes a whole lot more than you think to understand war and peace considering how vacant most of the anti war position is 186.
These kids have no frickin clue what they are doing - all they know is an authority figure in their life is having them do it.
That's Coercion. Brain washing. Children do have rights 186 but they are under the guardianship of their parents and thus their rights are limited. Also most people exercise their right to expression based on an opinion they form themselves.. not by making signs on craft day that teacher tells them too.. then carrying the same signs on the "field trip" teacher takes them on. Thats bullshit.
The only reason you're not as revolted as you should be is because you happen to agree with what the signs say. Sick. Guess indoctrinations is cool with you as long as they're getting their heads filled with the mush you agree with..huh?

It is the parents job/right to instill values into their children not some politically progressive freak parading as a teacher who is filling those hungry little minds with her repugnant, failed political world view.

Fuck no wonder these stupid, failed ideas wont die a natural death.. the stupid people that cling to em propogate them by infecting a new generation with them.


This is indoctrination. This is why parents should have more choice in where their kids go to school.
Its sick.

MS

[186k\sec]

of course i was serious...
i'm not in law, but dont think you have a case to sue. . . that is why I asked *what* you would sue them for, ?"brainwashing" "coercion", - uh, I dont think those are actual crimes, nor negligences... I would agree that teachers should not espouse thier political beliefs to thier students, and it should be enforced that they do not, I truely believe a teachers job is to remain unbiased, and educated objectively.....however, I would hesitate to claim that this is indoctrination, since we dont know the circumstances from which the picture is taken.. for all we know this was an independant, self organized, group of students, and supervising faculty member, assembling to exercise thier right to voice thier oppinion on something that is obvioulsy a point of discussion in all learning institutions world-wide..... what would be so terrible with that?!
when I was those kids age, I was part of this vary type of democratic demonstration as part of an assignment from my american government class. We decided individually and as a group consensus how we stood on the issue, and picketed against moving the capital of Alaska from Juneau to Wasilla . . . Admittedly , I was biased - living in Juneau, but I understood the facts very well, how the proposal was going to negatively effect my home town.. it was a valuable learning experience & actually founded my young, yet strong personal belief that democracy & freedom rocks .. .it is worth fighting for - when absolutley neccessary..

we'll just have to disagree, Mike, but imho, it is still not neccessary..

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by Mike S
Speaking of youthfull protestors... Check out these middle school students. (Salmon Bay Middle School, Ballard)
How many of em do you think really understand what is going on?
Can you say leftist indoctrination in our public schools?

This is just revolting.

If I were a parent and i found out my kid was in this I'd be suing the fuck out of the school district.

MS

Mike, I know your older than I but are you that suprised? Shit right up to the Gulf War and through out the war almost everyone (and I mean everyone) including myself partcipated in protests, and all that jazz and yes even a walk out, all orchestrated by many of our social studies teachers. I was like in 6th or 7th grade, now that I think about it I had no idea really what the fuck was going on, shit I was a indoctrinated leftist like many of our friends here are. But as you can see I've learned how to overcome the far left hangover and become politcally sober. <G>

-Jason

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by 186k\sec

for what Mike>??!
are they being forced to participate>? I dont know.. but,
kids have rights & voice too, and it doesnt take a whole lot of experience to understand the differences between war & peace.

Indoctrinating these kids is terrible bro! I am kind of shocked that you can't see that.

Actually it's not about being forced, what in the hell do you think indoctrination is? Indoctrination is teaching someone to accept doctrines uncritically. I find it no different if there was a teacher who was religious and orchestrated the class to be indoctrinated with religious points of view, or anti-abortion, anti-gay, etc etc etc I think you get the picture. <G>

Take care,
-Jason

[Kosmicdog]

Originally posted by outoftowner
Just goes to show you how much of a novelty this peace thing is for some youthful protestors.

no, it just goes to show that some stupid kids will use anything as an excuse to get out of school and shoplift.

[Kosmicdog]

what?! I don't see anything here but peaceful protest!

http://www.worldisround.com/photos/397/106.jpg

[HBK]

I'd be pissed if my kid's school time was spent making anti war signs.
When you're under 16 and in public school you have no rights.
That teacher is clearly forcing his views on a captive audience.

[Kosmicdog]

Originally posted by HBK

That teacher is clearly forcing his views on a captive audience.

its a "her"

and a nappy haired negro, no less!

[outoftowner]

Originally posted by Kosmicdog

and a nappy haired negro, no less!

Haha
I wonder if that has anything to do with the ebonically correct sign in front that says, "Don't Kill, Just Chill."

[booboo69]

Originally posted by Mike S
Speaking of youthfull protestors... Check out these middle school students. (Salmon Bay Middle School, Ballard)
How many of em do you think really understand what is going on?
Can you say leftist indoctrination in our public schools?

This is just revolting.

If I were a parent and i found out my kid was in this I'd be suing the fuck out of the school district.


Let's not get too speculative here. For all we know, the kids came up with the idea of protesting on their own. I really didn't give a flying fuck about politics until 11th or 12th grade, so maybe these kids are just being indoctrined, but maybe not.

The first article is too funny! Would have been better had they been racist about it (I know, that's a bad thing to say, but the hypocracy would have been hilarious).

[Danny Fingerz]

Originally posted by Mike S
Speaking of youthfull protestors... Check out these middle school students. (Salmon Bay Middle School, Ballard)
How many of em do you think really understand what is going on?
Can you say leftist indoctrination in our public schools?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/403082121.jpg

This is just revolting.

If I were a parent and i found out my kid was in this I'd be suing the fuck out of the school district.

MS

I doubt anyone really knows whats going on...

[Daz]

Originally posted by Mike S


For what!? Are you serious!?

Obviously it takes a whole lot more than you think to understand war and peace considering how vacant most of the anti war position is 186.
These kids have no frickin clue what they are doing - all they know is an authority figure in their life is having them do it.
That's Coercion. Brain washing. Children do have rights 186 but they are under the guardianship of their parents and thus their rights are limited. Also most people exercise their right to expression based on an opinion they form themselves.. not by making signs on craft day that teacher tells them too.. then carrying the same signs on the "field trip" teacher takes them on. Thats bullshit.
The only reason you're not as revolted as you should be is because you happen to agree with what the signs say. Sick. Guess indoctrinations is cool with you as long as they're getting their heads filled with the mush you agree with..huh?

It is the parents job/right to instill values into their children not some politically progressive freak parading as a teacher who is filling those hungry little minds with her repugnant, failed political world view.

Fuck no wonder these stupid, failed ideas wont die a natural death.. the stupid people that cling to em propogate them by infecting a new generation with them.


This is indoctrination. This is why parents should have more choice in where their kids go to school.
Its sick.

MS


I'll call bullshit on this Mike, not because I disagree with you... but because there are hundreds of kids (I've seen them, shit my brother is one) that sing songs about blowing up Iraqis because they don't understand what a life is really worth....

back when it was afghanistan.. it was the same thing... back in desert storm... our teacher had us draw pics for the soldiers... and we ended up voting the best one as one where the Iraqi soldiers all had devil's horns... and saddam was satan... and bush was God on the other side... thats the one my teacher picked to like the most (I remember that because my pic of our bombers blowing up camel riding guys didn't win, i was pissed)


maybe you're a little TOO jaded about the issue... but lets face it... it isn't always the school... its, most of the time, the fucking parents....

Kids don't get it, you're right... and they never will get a "fair chance" at making any decisions as long as they have some uptight father that comes up and either supports or loathes Bush...

Jeff

[186k\sec]

Indoctrinating these kids is terrible bro! I am kind of shocked that you can't see that
never said it wasnt Zup,
Im equally shocked you & Mike can jump to the conclusion that this IS indeed "indoctrination" - simply by looking at a photo of kids with peace signs.. simply . . . a m a z i n g.

[Mike S]

Originally posted by Daz



I'll call bullshit on this Mike, not because I disagree with you... but because there are hundreds of kids (I've seen them, shit my brother is one) that sing songs about blowing up Iraqis because they don't understand what a life is really worth....

back when it was afghanistan.. it was the same thing... back in desert storm... our teacher had us draw pics for the soldiers... and we ended up voting the best one as one where the Iraqi soldiers all had devil's horns... and saddam was satan... and bush was God on the other side... thats the one my teacher picked to like the most (I remember that because my pic of our bombers blowing up camel riding guys didn't win, i was pissed)


maybe you're a little TOO jaded about the issue... but lets face it... it isn't always the school... its, most of the time, the fucking parents....

Kids don't get it, you're right... and they never will get a "fair chance" at making any decisions as long as they have some uptight father that comes up and either supports or loathes Bush...

Jeff

And if you read my post Jeff you'd see that I said if the situation were reversed I'd be just as repulsed. Political Indoctrination in public schools is wrong. I don't care which way the teacher votes they need to keep their politics out of the classroom and stick to the three Rs. We've got a grip of kids that cant walk and chew gum at the same time much less read and write at the level their supposed to and yet we've got some teacher/political fanatic wasting time filling their heads with bullshit.

As far as parents go and kids not getting a fair chance to make up their minds due to parents beliefs that's bullshit. I think if you asked around this board you would find allot of "kids" whose beliefs are contrary to their parents. Maybe Just out of spite or maybe because the example their parents present through those beliefs repulses the kid.. what ever.

And 186 it doesn't take much brainpower to think out the situation. Hell most adults are confused by the current situation.. and as I said before if you listen to a good number of the anti war people try and reason they lack the ability to.. so it goes with out saying that the munchkins in the photo will have no damn clue what the hell they are doing.
Look at some of the signs. War is terrorism. Tell me that a 12 or 13 year old child understands the difference between a just war, a terrorist act and the thinking behind both. Fuck no they don't.
This one is simple and I cant believe you're even dicking around with the notion that these kids weren't being led around by the nose .
by the way I called the school to ask if this activity was sanctioned by the district..and I was told that I should call back later .. seems there's allot of really pissed off parents about this. I hope that wacko liberal fanatic teacher ends up in the unemployment line AND has her teaching certificate revoked. The freak.

You seem to think I'm making a mountain out of a molehill but when I look at that picture all I see is the reason we have so many problems in this country. Most of them stem from education or a lack of.

They don't need to be taking craft day and making signs then following teacher-holding the sign- and repeat what teacher taught them to say. What is going on in that picture is all about the teachers freak show politics. Period. Its Bullshit.

They don't need to be brainwashed.. they need to be taught critical thinking skills. This isn't doing it...nor is it teaching them civics. Which they need to learn as well. This is indoctrination. The teacher should be fired.

And what would I sue for? Let me count the ways. First off using the example that people of differing religious faiths have used around Christmas I'd nail that hooch to the wall for forcing a philosophy I find revolting on my kids. Not her job. Then we'd start on the school curriculum. Then we'd start on taking the kids out of class on an even not sanctioned by the district. the whole point of the suit would be to remove her from her job and take her certificate away. Sending a message through out the district the teaching is what we pay these people to do. Period.

MS

[Daz]

Originally posted by Mike S


And if you read my post Jeff you'd see that I said if the situation were reversed I'd be just as repulsed. Political Indoctrination in public schools is wrong. I don't care which way the teacher votes they need to keep their politics out of the classroom and stick to the three Rs. We've got a grip of kids that cant walk and chew gum at the same time much less read and write at the level their supposed to and yet we've got some teacher/political fanatic wasting time filling their heads with bullshit.

As far as parents go and kids not getting a fair chance to make up their minds due to parents beliefs that's bullshit. I think if you asked around this board you would find allot of "kids" whose beliefs are contrary to their parents. Maybe Just out of spite or maybe because the example their parents present through those beliefs repulses the kid.. what ever.

MS


theres a million differences between a 12 year old and a 15 year old...

at 12.. you still share your parents political beliefs... at 15, you hate everything they like... just because...

[blackdog]

um, that article you pulled that pic from said that kids were allowed NOT to participate if they didn't want to...it wasn't forced upon them...

and i protested when i was in sixth grade about the gulf war...why, because at an early age i learned to read and comprehend what was being said in the media.

if i was around during vietnam, i would have protested too...

hell, i am protesting now! and i AM in the military!

[moonpuppy]

How do you even know that they are in school? Maybe this was after school and completely voluntary. And I shared NO poltical views of my parents at this age and I feel that I know what was going on and backed up my views with education.

[seattle science]

This should not be very difficult to understand you fucking shit for brains. Is it ok for a teacher to teach religion to their students? No. Indoctrinating students on personal views is not the job of a teacher. Hence, it is also not ok for a teacher to convince their students to embrace the teacher's personal political views. Kids know very little about life, they wan't to fit in with everybody else, and they are not fully mentally developed, which is why it is so easy to convince them about almost anything. That picture is disgusting, and I would like to know how many of you imbeciles would be defending it if their teacher had them all holding anti-abortion signs.

[Hookups]

Originally posted by seattle science
This should not be very difficult to understand you fucking shit for brains. Is it ok for a teacher to teach religion to their students? No. Indoctrinating students on personal views is not the job of a teacher. Hence, it is also not ok for a teacher to convince their students to embrace the teacher's personal political views. Kids know very little about life, they wan't to fit in with everybody else, and they are not fully mentally developed, which is why it is so easy to convince them about almost anything. That picture is disgusting, and I would like to know how many of you imbeciles would be defending it if their teacher had them all holding anti-abortion signs.

The end of the political spectrum you align yourself with would happily have them all holding anti-abortion signs AND teach religion to them, you hypocrite.

Kids know very little about life, they wan't to fit in with everybody else, and they are not fully mentally developed, which is why it is so easy to convince them about almost anything.
What makes *you* fully mentally developed? You sound like you cut and paste your posts from transcripts of The O'Reilly Factor.

[seattle science]

Seeing how I just said that it's disgusting for teachers to indoctrinate their kids on personaly held views... forgive me for having a hard time trying to grasp how you weren't able to read what I typed, and how you reached such an extreme degree of stupidity in your life.

I like how people are just completely incapable of comprehending simple logic, and instead opt to lash out with a pitiful little spat. If you know enough about me to call me a hypocrite, then for the love of pete, I suppose you would have to know that I am pro-choice, and that I strongly support the seperation of church and state, including the removal of 'under god' from the Pledge. Knowing these things, to then proceed in calling me a hypocrite, I have to assume that you are sadly quite unintelligent.

[Turtle]

Originally posted by seattle science
...I suppose you would have to know that I am pro-choice, and that I strongly support the seperation of church and state, including the removal of 'under god' from the Pledge.
Whoa...we actually agree on something...three things, even.
*marks calender*

Perhaps there is still hope for you.

[adreezy]

Originally posted by Monk
Each of the guilty kids should be sentenced to 1 year military duty.

Ha... I totally agree

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by booboo69
For all we know, the kids came up with the idea of protesting on their own.

That's the whole problem. Sure these kids could of came up with the signs on their own but it's obviously a result from their indoctrination.

-Jason

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by Daz
but because there are hundreds of kids (I've seen them, shit my brother is one) that sing songs about blowing up Iraqis because they don't understand what a life is really worth....

back when it was afghanistan.. it was the same thing... back in desert storm... our teacher had us draw pics for the soldiers... and we ended up voting the best one as one where the Iraqi soldiers all had devil's horns... and saddam was satan... and bush was God on the other side... thats the one my teacher picked to like the most (I remember that because my pic of our bombers blowing up camel riding guys didn't win, i was pissed)

So were you fed a POV with out having all the critical information of all sides? If so then it's wrong, now I was indoctrinated with the complete opposite (left wing). The point is having teachers indoctrinate the classroom is wrong regardless of what their politics are.

-Jason

[HexRei]

Originally posted by blackdog
um, that article you pulled that pic from said that kids were allowed NOT to participate if they didn't want to...it wasn't forced upon them...

and i protested when i was in sixth grade about the gulf war...why, because at an early age i learned to read and comprehend what was being said in the media.

if i was around during vietnam, i would have protested too...

hell, i am protesting now! and i AM in the military!

I, as well, protested during the Gulf War, because I was pressured by my teachers. It was, according to them, the "right" thing to do.
In retrospect, the gulf war saved a nation (Kuwait) from dictatorship under the tyrannical, violent rule of Saddam Hussein. Frankly, I'm sorry that my teachers ever convinced me that protesting was "right", considering what the Kuwaitis would have gone through had our protests been successful.

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by HexRei


I, as well, protested during the Gulf War, because I was pressured by my teachers. It was, according to them, the "right" thing to do.
In retrospect, the gulf war saved a nation (Kuwait) from dictatorship under the tyrannical, violent rule of Saddam Hussein. Frankly, I'm sorry that my teachers ever convinced me that protesting was "right", considering what the Kuwaitis would have gone through had our protests been successful.

I had the same situation happen to me when I was a young kid in school. I even remember involving myself in the "walk out" too. My father tried to reason with me about the misguided information I was recieving at school but at that time 12-13 year of age we all think we know it all, when it comes to listening to our parents and their points of view. <G>

-Jason

[kiG]

Shit..when i was 13 i knew who Usama Bin Laden was and what his cuase was...and Hammas. Granted i was really into military and political stuff back then(even more now) i knew more than my teachers...when i was 8 I knew what evolution was...nonoe taught it to me...i knew it to be true..it made perfect logical sense...i would tell my class mates about evolution and most cry and sceamed yelling " I DONT COME FROM STAR DUST AND RECYCLED PARTICALS FROM THE DINOSUARS" WHA WHAA and so on...my parents never tuagh me shit about the world i figured it out on my own...

[Daz]

Originally posted by ZupanGOD


So were you fed a POV with out having all the critical information of all sides? If so then it's wrong, now I was indoctrinated with the complete opposite (left wing). The point is having teachers indoctrinate the classroom is wrong regardless of what their politics are.

-Jason


geez... every teacher I had up until about 98 was completely and totally conservative... I was lead to believe democrats were evil, insanely horrible people... and that they wanted evil people like Saddam to rule the world...

welcome to eastern washington...

they completely force fed their points of views down our throats.. .hoping to turn us all into good little god fearing repubs...

unfortunately for them... in 96 or so, I followed the election closely.. and decided that Dole was an idiot, even if he was republican.. and then decided that there must be more idiot repubs out there.. just like there were evil democrats out there...

*sigh*

I wonder what teachers who don't somehow coerce their point of view into the students are like....

Jeff

[booboo69]

Originally posted by ZupanGOD


That's the whole problem. Sure these kids could of came up with the signs on their own but it's obviously a result from their indoctrination.

-Jason

Obviously. :rolleyes:
I'd actually be more critical of the media than of schools in a case like this. For the past year, you can't turn on the TV without seeing war this, or peace that, etc. Considering how easy it is to influence kids of this age, why not assume that they got the idea from the media? And if so, then the question is, does that count as indoctrination? And then, if yes, why no uproar against the media?

[kiG]

I dont get this thing about kids being impresionable*sp to TV...?
where as people did we strat away from teaching?
Oh..I know..since parents are too busy doing there shit they just send the kid off to "learn"...School doesnt teach kids shit other than how to read write and some math...By blocking all poltical views(''For the safety of our children" BS) kids grow up with a distorted view of the world as being fair and blanced when its not..and bland

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by booboo69


Obviously. :rolleyes:
I'd actually be more critical of the media than of schools in a case like this. For the past year, you can't turn on the TV without seeing war this, or peace that, etc. Considering how easy it is to influence kids of this age, why not assume that they got the idea from the media? And if so, then the question is, does that count as indoctrination? And then, if yes, why no uproar against the media?

Does Lord of the Rings indoctrinate a 11 year old to be pro-war? Booboo the fact that you have a living, breathing person that are mentors to their pupils is where you find indoctrination to be so common.

[Mike S]

Originally posted by booboo69


Obviously. :rolleyes:
I'd actually be more critical of the media than of schools in a case like this. For the past year, you can't turn on the TV without seeing war this, or peace that, etc. Considering how easy it is to influence kids of this age, why not assume that they got the idea from the media? And if so, then the question is, does that count as indoctrination? And then, if yes, why no uproar against the media?

Well booboo .. um.. we're at war.

MS

[Effendi]

Originally posted by HexRei

In retrospect, the gulf war saved a nation (Kuwait) from dictatorship under the tyrannical, violent rule of Saddam Hussein.

This is the kind of thinking Peter that Americans try to use to assauge their guilt and or justify murderous wartime actions.

We like to believe that we "Saved" Kuwait from the tyranical dictatoirship of Saddam, and that we did, but what did we leave them instead?...ANy ideas?......

Well in the past ten years they have been taken over by a strict muslim society rather like the Taliban. Women are forced to wear the shador and their is no sound of happy American Democratic freedom ringing in the street. Why......... do you ask?

Because THEY DON"T WANT IT!!

We Americans ease our guilty conscience by trying to make ourselves believe that we made their lives better, funny thing is, Life on the street in Baghdad under Saddam for the average Iraqi is much better than it is for the 60% of the population of Kuwait (Which is incidently cheap imported slave labor) Who do not share the relative freedom of religion and movement held by their Iraqi neighbors.

I'm not suggesting for one minute that Saddam is anything but an Evil Dictator, he is no different than Castro or bush or any other evil dictator running a country.

But Your teacher was right, it is unfortunate that the lesson was not learned.

Frankly, I'm sorry that my teachers ever convinced me that protesting was "right", considering what the Kuwaitis would have gone through had our protests been successful.

Yea, I guess that's one way to view it, I mean those mean Iraqi's threw babies out of Incubators right.....?

Scott!!

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by Effendi

This is the kind of thinking Peter that Americans try to use to assauge their guilt and or justify murderous wartime actions.

We like to believe that we "Saved" Kuwait from the tyranical dictatoirship of Saddam, and that we did, but what did we leave them instead?...ANy ideas?......

A Kuwait without Saddam Hussain in control.

Well in the past ten years they have been taken over by a strict muslim society rather like the Taliban. Women are forced to wear the shador and their is no sound of happy American Democratic freedom ringing in the street. Why......... do you ask?

Because THEY DON"T WANT IT!!

That's bullshit.

We Americans ease our guilty conscience by trying to make ourselves believe that we made their lives better, funny thing is, Life on the street in Baghdad under Saddam for the average Iraqi is much better than it is for the 60% of the population of Kuwait (Which is incidently cheap imported slave labor) Who do not share the relative freedom of religion and movement held by their Iraqi neighbors.

I'm not suggesting for one minute that Saddam is anything but an Evil Dictator, he is no different than Castro or bush or any other evil dictator running a country.

But Your teacher was right, it is unfortunate that the lesson was not learned.


Yea, I guess that's one way to view it, I mean those mean Iraqi's threw babies out of Incubators right.....?

Scott!!

My flux of marine buddies were in Kuwait and Bahrain for 2 years gimme a fucking break Scott.

-Jason