Boycott those silly French. [Archive]

ZupanGOD

03-16-2003, 08:57 AM

Bungle, are you saying your not going to stop buying products that are made by the French but invented by the French or had a hand in the invention instead?

Using that logic here's a list that will help you on your quest.

French inventors and their inventions:

Ambroise Paré (1510-1590): surgical instruments
Blaise Pascal: mechanical calculator (1642)
Metric system, proposed by Gabriel Mouton in 1670, worked out by the French Academy of Sciences in 1790
Nicolas Joseph Cugnot: steam-driven car (1769)
George Louis Lesage used a single wire system to telegraph a message (1774)
Joseph M.Jacquard - first industrially applicable automatic loom (late 18th century)
Montgolfier (Joseph and Etienne): the hot-air balloon (1783)
Louis Lenormand: the parachute (1783)
Jean Baptiste Meusnier: lighter-than-air dirigible developed (1785)
Claude Chappe: optical system telegraph (1791)
Nicolas Appert - invented our canning process involving bactericide by boiling (1810)
René T.H. Laennec - invented the stethoscope (1816)
Joseph L. Gay-Lussac (1778-1850), chemist: the hydrometer and alcoholometer
Jean-François Champollion - first deciphered the Rosetta Stone(1822)
Louis Braille: printed language for the blind (1829)
Joseph N.Niepce: the principle of the photographic process (1826)
Xavier Progin (1833): a machine that used separate type bars for each letter or symbol that were activated by separate lever keys (forerunner of typewriter)
Daguerre, Louis J. improved and patented photographic process (1839)
French physicist Jean Foucault: the gyroscope (1852)
Henri Deville: invented electrolysis to refine aluminum from bauxite (1852)
Henri Giffard, engineer: first successful steam-powered steerable airship (1852)
Edouard-Léon Scott de Martinville: Phonautographe:1st machine to record sound (1857), with no playback
Raymond Gaston Planté: the lead-acid battery (1860)
Rouquayrol and Denayrouse: hard-hat deep-sea diving (1865)
Pierre Lallement: rotary-pedal bicycle (1865)
Frères Michaux: steam-driven bicycle (1868)
Chemist Mège Mouriés: margarine (1869)
Charles Cros (& Edison) simultaneously invented the phonograph (1877)
Lumière brothers: first movie camera (1895)
René Panhard & Emile Levassor: prototype for modern car (front engine, pedal clutch, 4 wheels, etc. - 1895)
Jean J.E. Lenoir (1822-1900): the first practical internal combustion engine
French engineer and chemist Georges Claude: the neon lamp (1902)
Paul Cornu (1907): short flight of first helicopter prototype
Edouard Benedictus: the process for making laminated safety glass (1909)
Henri-M. Coanda: turbine engine airplane (1910)
George de Mestral: the hook and loop fabric fastener system, Velcro (1941)
Emile Gagnan and Captain Jacques-Yves Cousteau: "Aqua Lung" for scuba diving (1943)
Arthur Granjean: Etch-A-Sketch [toy] in 1958
François Gernelle: the first non-kit computer based on a microprocessor (1973)
Philippe Kahn: the software or operating system for the above microcomputer
Roland Moreno: the concept of installing silicon chip computer memory on a plastic card (1974)
French launch Minitel (1980), first major public interactive computer network
Robert Cailliau and Jean-François Groff, Swiss francophone co-inventors of the WWW with Tim Berners-Lee (1992)
ATM asynchronous transfer mode - high-speed internet (not sure of details)

Tecknowledgy

03-16-2003, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by ZupanGOD

It belongs to France?

I don't recall saying it belonged to France...it is however, French.

Does FrenchToast belong to France? What about French Fries and French Kisses? Do those belong to France? No, but it seemed people had no qualms with doing away with those things...I was simply stating, that it's hypocritical to say "do away with all these things" when the Statue of Liberty was made in France, came from France, and is in essence, completely French...minus the part where it belongs to America.

Justin

03-16-2003, 11:56 AM

After 9-11, I realized how dumb and vitreolic the left was.

After this whole "freedom fries" jazz, I realized how the right wing is even dumber and more vitreolic.

So now I guess I'm back where I started, before the war.

ZupanGOD

03-16-2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Tecknowledgy

I don't recall saying it belonged to France...it is however, French.

Does FrenchToast belong to France? What about French Fries and French Kisses? Do those belong to France? No, but it seemed people had no qualms with doing away with those things...I was simply stating, that it's hypocritical to say "do away with all these things" when the Statue of Liberty was made in France, came from France, and is in essence, completely French...minus the part where it belongs to America.

Yea but French fries and French toast is what would you call it a custom of food? While I agree that the statue of liberty is a statue constructed by the French, however I think it's meaning and purpose is entirely American which causes me to consider it quite different than that of a French product or custom food. Just for the record yes France's position is dumb but I think this boycott is dumb as well. But as long as a boycott stays completley amongst individuals or the private sector I could care less what these people do it's when government gets involved in boycotting is when a simple protest becomes surious business among trading partners.

Take care,
Jason

ZupanGOD

03-16-2003, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Doc Mahem
After 9-11, I realized how dumb and vitreolic the left was.

After this whole "freedom fries" jazz, I realized how the right wing is even dumber and more vitreolic.

So now I guess I'm back where I started, before the war.

Why is patriotism only a right wing thing? Fuck that!

BTW - The idea to rename food to have a small little but petty protest is nothing new to Americans. Americans renamed foods during some of the World Wars to protest Germany, naming foods to things like "Liberty Steak" to "Liberty Cabage". And besdies the congressman who decided to change the french fries to freedom fries for the congressional cafeteria is from french decent and speaks french fluently, in fact he said it's just a "symbolic gesture"

Later!

-Jason

Cedwyn

03-16-2003, 01:21 PM

those poor monkeys....

ZupanGOD

03-16-2003, 01:51 PM

Bungle:

A boycott is only to be felt by the frenches wallet. I'm sure there would tons of people willing to boycott Hummers and many SUV's if it somehow hurt the frenches wallet.

tallcan

03-16-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by ZupanGOD

It belongs to France?

so..yeah. like....
what you're saying is that you're dumb?
oh, i get it!
:rolleyes:

Effendi

03-16-2003, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Cedwyn
those poor monkeys....

Laugh my ass off.....lol

it's a florida thing, they store them in a neat little barrel at night, there arms are genetically designed to loop together...lol

186k\sec

03-16-2003, 05:22 PM

"The day after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on America, the French newspaper Le Monde proclaimed, 'We are all Americans! ... Eighteen months later, the United States and France are hurling insults at each other, and the French are leading the opposition to the war against Iraq.

America the Pitiful....

http://www.statepress.com/news/392820.html

mercuria

03-16-2003, 06:01 PM

Dom Perginon, Kristal, Agen Provocateur, Bridgitte Bardot, Louis De Funais -- my reasons to love all things French.

HexRei

03-16-2003, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by ZupanGOD

it's when government gets involved in boycotting is when a simple protest becomes surious business among trading partners.

Whoa! More surious business?:eek: :eek:

Tecknowledgy

03-16-2003, 06:20 PM

Um, let's not forget FRENCH CHICKS and their super hot ways...and all the awesome films from France.

ZupanGOD

03-16-2003, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Tecknowledgy
Um, let's not forget FRENCH CHICKS and their super hot ways...and all the awesome films from France.

Did you like "Read my lips"? That was the last French film I had the opportunity to see.

Justin

03-16-2003, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by ZupanGOD

Why is patriotism only a right wing thing? Fuck that!

BTW - The idea to rename food to have a small little but petty protest is nothing new to Americans. Americans renamed foods during some of the World Wars to protest Germany, naming foods to things like "Liberty Steak" to "Liberty Cabage". And besdies the congressman who decided to change the french fries to freedom fries for the congressional cafeteria is from french decent and speaks french fluently, in fact he said it's just a "symbolic gesture"

Later!

-Jason

Yeah, but we were at war with germany. Even then, its still retarded, but in wartime retarded things happen with intent to spite your enemy. We are not at war with France. This is retardedness with no excuse.

Also, they're not really french. French is a cooking term for "a thin cut." A thin cut of potato, a thin cut of toast, ect. So this is actually more retarded than renaming saurkraut. Ignorance, vitrol, all for using their UN vote in the petty way we've used ours for five decades. Ugh.

ZupanGOD

03-16-2003, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by Doc Mahem

Yeah, but we were at war with germany. Even then, its still retarded, but in wartime retarded things happen with intent to spite your enemy. We are not at war with France. This is retardedness with no excuse.

Also, they're not really french. French is a cooking term for "a thin cut." A thin cut of potato, a thin cut of toast, ect. So this is actually more retarded than renaming saurkraut. Ignorance, vitrol, all for using their UN vote in the petty way we've used ours for five decades. Ugh.

I Agree.

JiveTurkeyMoFo

03-17-2003, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by bungle bliss

Let the boycotts begin!

that doesn't include the French Tickler does it:confused:

186k\sec

03-17-2003, 03:57 PM

That does it!
I am hereby Boycotting anything american...... as a protest to america's French anti-semetism.

who's with me..?

ZupanGOD

03-17-2003, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by 186k\sec
That does it!
I am hereby Boycotting anything american...... as a protest to america's French anti-semetism.

who's with me..?

This should be good.

[lafs]

-Jason

burnt

03-17-2003, 04:22 PM

That does it!
I am hereby Boycotting anything american...... as a protest to america's French anti-semetism.

who's with me..?

thats nothing new. I've seen a million commercials from people saying "they might accept {fill in the blank}, but they don't accept American Express!"

ZupanGOD

03-17-2003, 04:46 PM

Appearently people in France are urging the purchase of pretzels to send to Bush.

Cool!

Food fight!!

[grabs mustard]

PussiCORE

03-17-2003, 04:58 PM

Boycott my ass! American's sure love their wine! ;)

unknownp0et

03-17-2003, 05:47 PM

I heard that folks were protesting the French the other day by pouring french wine down the drain in front of the French Embassy.

Wha' tha fuck?

That is an incredibly idiotic waste of good wine.

Why throw it down a dirty, stinking drain when they could hae just thrown it down MY dirty, stinking gut?

It would hae probably had the same affect on the French, but it would hae made this poor fellow a hell of alot happier.

Viva La France

(where the fuck did I put my beret?... Oh... there it is under the cheese)

Avec Amour

186k\sec

03-17-2003, 05:49 PM

This should be good.

[lafs]

laugh it up funny man :p,
~ it wouldnt be very hard to pull off symboliclly
I've got a crate French house music,
Perrie
my Bike
Turkish gold
the international channel,
17 packets of curry
& the secrets of the Karma suitra

Im set..for the duration...
:p

n'importe qui a attrapé les fritures de commande de liberté trouvera mon robinet de liberté poussé profondément dans leur trou de liberté. <--------------secret message for the Ugly Americans....

unknownp0et

03-17-2003, 05:51 PM

BTW French toast was actually named after the guy who invented it...

He was an american named Robert French

I shit you not.

Avec Amour

ZupanGOD

03-17-2003, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by 186k\sec

laugh it up funny man :p,
~ it wouldnt be very hard to pull off symboliclly
I've got a crate French house music,
Perrie
my Bike
Turkish gold
the international channel,
17 packets of curry
& the secrets of the Karma suitra

Im set..for the duration...
:p

n'importe qui a attrapé les fritures de commande de liberté trouvera mon robinet de liberté poussé profondément dans leur trou de liberté. <--------------secret message for the Ugly Americans....

Sweet!

ZupanGOD

03-17-2003, 11:59 PM

Laissez-faire not spoken here
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/1997/1201/6012058a.html

186k\sec

03-18-2003, 02:41 PM

France has announced it could assist any US-led military coalition if Iraq uses chemical and biological weapons.

The turnaround comes after strong French opposition to a war in Iraq, including threats to veto a UN Security Council resolution paving the way for armed conflict.

French ambassador Jean-David Levitte said: "If Saddam Hussein were to use chemical and biological weapons, this would change the situation completely and immediately for the French government."

Mr Levitte said a decision on any French participation in the war would be made by French President Jacques Chirac, if and when biological or chemical weapons were used.

Although he declined to give details on the possible shape of French participation, Levitte said, "We have equipment to fight in these circumstances."

Last Updated: 16:48 UK, Tuesday March 18, 2003

__________________________________________

that pretty cool of them, .......in light of the US being total dicks to them..,

corbettfields

03-18-2003, 02:43 PM

2 words

Daft Punk

JiveTurkeyMoFo

03-18-2003, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by 186k\sec

Although he declined to give details on the possible shape of French participation, Levitte said, "We have equipment to fight in these circumstances."

maybe the French will sell Iraq even more materials to help them build a nuclear bomb and continue to violate regulations.
or maybe they took this stance cause they realised that selling Iraq materials to make a nuclear bomb was not the smartest idea.
then again, maybe they realised they will not be receiving the money Iraq owes them for those materials, and possibly they will chip in a bit with bio and chem defense to not look like such asses when the war is over.

you know what's pretty uncool. the fact that France has been selling weapons materials to rogue states (including IRAQ) violating regulations and no one has done shit about it. and even worse, when the news of this hit, it was supressed in the media.

i see complete reason for the US to be "dicks" to the French.

186k\sec

03-18-2003, 03:40 PM

maybe the French will sell Iraq even more materials to help them build a nuclear bomb and continue to violate regulations.
they arent the only ones who sold supplies to Iraq.. China, Russia, and the UNITED STATES sold materials to Iraq:

"The United States and Britain sold Saddam Hussein the technology and materials Iraq needed to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction.

Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.

Classified US Defence Dep-artment documents also seen by the Sunday Herald show that Britain sold Iraq the drug pralidoxine, an antidote to nerve gas, in March 1992, after the end of the Gulf war. Pralidoxine can be reverse engineered to create nerve gas.

One batch each of salmonella and E coli were shipped to the Iraqi State Company for Drug Industries on August 31, 1987. Other shipments went from the US to the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission on July 11, 1988; the Department of Biology at the University of Basrah in November 1989; the Department of Microbiology at Baghdad University in June 1985; the Ministry of Health in April 1985 and Officers' City, a military complex in Baghdad, in March and April 1986.

The shipments to Iraq went on even after Saddam Hussein ordered the gassing of the Kurdish town of Halabja, in which at least 5000 men, women and children died. The atrocity, which shocked the world, took place in March 1988, but a month later the components and materials of weapons of mass destruction were continuing to arrive in Baghdad from the US"

or maybe they took this stance cause they realised that selling Iraq materials to make a nuclear bomb was not the smartest idea.

or maybe they realized that the US was going to virtually go it alone, and nothing was going to stop us from war in Iraq... therefore, thought it might be a good gesture, to promise assistance when our troops start getting gassed & melted down with germs.

then again, maybe they realised they will not be receiving the money Iraq owes them for those materials, and possibly they will chip in a bit with bio and chem defense to not look like such asses when the war is over.

they wont look like asses.. unless you are an ugly american ass to begin with.. they have proven to be a stong ally, ugly americans have short term memory when its convenient.

you know what's pretty uncool. the fact that France has been selling weapons materials to rogue states (including IRAQ) violating regulations and no one has done shit about it. and even worse, when the news of this hit, it was supressed in the media.

i see complete reason for the US to be "dicks" to the French.

I dont, its not necessary & only divides us.. when we need thier support... its cutting your nose to spite your face syndrom that has no value in diplomatic quarrels..
oh, and who allowed N.Korea deliver Scuds to Yemen just recently?

186k\sec

03-19-2003, 08:57 AM

Electronic bugging devices were found in offices used by several countries, including France and Germany, in a building where a European Union summit will open Thursday, EU officials said.

The EU is investigating the bugging in a headquarters building but does not yet know who was behind it, EU spokesman Dominique-George Marro said Wednesday. He declined to name the other nations whose offices were bugged.

The French newspaper Le Figaro broke the story Wednesday, saying Belgian police identified the bugs as American. That report could not be confirmed immediately.

"At this point we cannot say who planted these bugs," said Cristina Gallach, a spokeswoman for Javier Solana, the EU's high representative for foreign and security policy.

The American mission to the EU has "received no communication about the investigation from the EU," a spokesman for the U.S. mission said on condition of anonymity.

Marro said the EU "found anomalies in the telephone lines" during regular security checks. Only a small number of lines were affected, he said.

The bugging equipment was found a few days ago but investigators wanted to keep the discovery quiet to give themselves a better chance to catch the culprits.

"There is an urgent interest in clearing this up," German Interior Ministry spokesman Rainer Lingenthal said. "We still hope to find those responsible."

Leaders of the 15 EU nations are scheduled to hold a summit Thursday and Friday in the sprawling Justus Lipsius building, which houses the secretariat of the EU council of ministers.

The EU's regular meetings of ministers are held there. The building also houses Solana's offices.

However, no devices were found on the phones in Solana's office or at the EU's military wing, housed in the same building, Gallach said.

Greek Foreign Minister George Papandreou, whose country holds the EU's rotating presidency, said he was informed of the bugs Wednesday morning.

"The first thing I can do is to condemn this act," he said. "Once we get the results, obviously you will be informed ... we will find out soon and take the appropriate measures."

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-eur/2003/mar/19/031905282.html

HexRei

03-19-2003, 09:09 AM

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Wow, can you say misleading headline?
I don't see anywhere in that article where the US is implicated or even any sort of justification for implicating the US was given.
The only thing I've seen is "the bugs are american"- so what? you can buy audio surveillance equipment on the open market in the US. Every nation in the world can buy american bugs discretely and cheaply.

kristinachilds

03-19-2003, 09:22 AM

npr sports commentator frank deford had a hillarious rant this morning about the US lunacy re: the french

check it (http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=1196184)

kristinachilds

03-19-2003, 09:25 AM

you know what's pretty uncool. the fact that France has been selling weapons materials to rogue states (including IRAQ) violating regulations and no one has done shit about it. and even worse, when the news of this hit, it was supressed in the media.

i see complete reason for the US to be "dicks" to the French.US is guilty of this as well. see, we're allowed when it serves our interests, but the minute the same slice is dished to us...

Mike S

03-19-2003, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by HexRei
^
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Wow, can you say misleading headline?
I don't see anywhere in that article where the US is implicated or even any sort of justification for implicating the US was given.
The only thing I've seen is "the bugs are american"- so what? you can buy audio surveillance equipment on the open market in the US. Every nation in the world can buy american bugs discretely and cheaply.

Yes Hex but dont you remember if something bad happens inthe world .. automatically we are involved. Same goes for finding bugs in offices.

Now as to bugging offices. Umm.. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that it may have not been us. we have listening technology that doesnt even have to be in the room to record the converstation. a device can be placed a short distance away & a lazer aimed at the office window wich measures the windows vibrations causeed when people talk. Sorting and translating those vibrations into a recorded conversation.

Same with walls. Only the device is inside the wall never being seen.

Actual bugs are kiind of old hat espionage technology.

MS

Mike S

03-19-2003, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by kristinachilds
US is guilty of this as well. see, we're allowed when it serves our interests, but the minute the same slice is dished to us...

Really Kristina? Sorry going to have to call bullshit on your liberal relativism. Show me one instance where the US has sold weapons to a state where selling those weapons was forbidden by UN sanctions that the US signed on to. The other difference Kristina is we continually either save the frogs ass and/or put up with their useless input out of politeness.
Having France around is like being on a packed bus with a person with turrets syndrome.. you just smile and be polite and hope your fucking stop is coming up soon.

That's just one difference between us and France.

I find it ironic that so many people assume the US involves itself in situations strictly for business interest and put it down for doing so..Yet look the other way when some piss pot like France is clearly doing so.
Must be the desire to look out for their socialist political kin.

MS

Mike S

03-19-2003, 11:58 AM

In light of the French stating that they would Veto any action against Iraq that we may propose before the Security Council of the UN, I thought this email from a US Marine serving in Bosnia would put things in perspective.

From a Marine in Bosnia. Note the signature, but read it last.

A funny thing happened to me yesterday at Camp Bondsteel (Bosnia):

A French army officer walked up to me in the PX, and told me he thought we (Americans) were a bunch of cowboys and were going to provoke a war. He said if such a thing happens, we wouldn't be able to count on the support of France.

I told him that it didn't surprise me. Since we had come to France's rescue in World War I, World War II, Vietnam, and the Cold War, their ingratitude and jealousy was due to surface at some point in the near future anyway.

That is why France is a third-rate military power with a socialist economy and a bunch of faggots for soldiers. I additionally told him that America, being a nation of deeds and action, not words, would do whatever it had to do, and France's
support was only for show anyway. Just like in ALL NATO exercises, the US
would shoulder 85% of the burden, as evidenced by the fact that the French officer was shopping in the American PX, and not the other way around.

He began to get belligerent at that point, and I told him if he would like to, I would meet him outside in front of the Burger King and beat his ass in front of the entire Multinational Brigade East, thus demonstrating that even the smallest American had more fight in him than the average Frenchman. He called me a barbarian cowboy and walked away in a huff.

With friends like these, who needs enemies?

Mary Beth Johnson Lt.Col, USMC

Bout says all that needs to be said about our "allies" the French.

MS

186k\sec

03-19-2003, 12:05 PM

blah blah blah,, my name is Mike,, bla blah blah...

ZupanGOD

03-19-2003, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Mike S

Mary Beth Johnson Lt.Col, USMC

Mary rules!

Effendi

03-19-2003, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by 186k\sec
blah blah blah,, my name is Mike,, bla blah blah...

He really is so full of bullshit isn't he.

Most of his posts are like this....

Then Jason throws in a blowjob...followed by axe trying to appear intelligent, alas in vain.....

These band of fools really believe they are in support of America, but they really are not, they are incapable of thinking for themselves, and really want everyone else to join them in sticking their head in the sand. They believe what they read even though we show them constantly that they are lied to.

What it REALLY boils down to is "Thinking men cannot be ruled"
and these guys are so easily ruled.

Scott!!

ZupanGOD

03-19-2003, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Effendi
Then Jason throws in a blowjob

Watch it bro!

:(

Effendi

03-19-2003, 08:21 PM

.
Jason it was not intended as a "sexual" slur...I meant blowing smoke up his retarded rapublican ass.

mike only wishes he could get a real blowjob..

Take Care
Scott!!

Mike S

03-20-2003, 09:30 AM

FRENCH PRODUCT LIST

Air Liquide, Alcatel, Allegra (allergy medication), Aqualung
(including: Spirotechnique, Technisub, US Divers, and SeaQuest),
AXA Advisors Bank of the West (owned by BNP Paribas), Beneteau
(boats), BF Goodrich (owned by Michelin), BIC (razors, pens and
lighters), Biotherm (cosmetics), Black Bush, Bollinger (champagne),
Car & Driver Magazine, Cartier, Chanel, Cheese labeled "Product of
France", Chivas Regal (scotch), Christian Dior, Christian Lacroix,
Club Med (vacations), Culligan (owned by Vivendi), Daniel Cremieux,
Dannon (yogurt and dairy foods), DKNY, Dom Perignon, Durand
Crystal, Elle Magazine, Essilor Optical Products, Evian bottled
water, Fina gas stations and Fina Oil (billions invested in Iraqi
oil fields), First Hawaiian Bank, George Magazine, Givenchy,
Glenlivet (scotch), Hachette Filipacchi New Media, Hennessy,
Houghton Mifflin (books), Jacobs Creek (owned by Pernod Ricard
since 1989), Jameson (whiskey), Jerry Springer (talk show) Krups
(coffee and cappuccino makers), Lancome, Le Creuset (cookware),
L'Oreal (health and beauty products), Louis Vuitton, Magellan
Navigational Equipment, Marie Claire, Martel Cognac, Maybelline,
Méphisto (shoes and clothes), Michelin (tires and auto parts),
Mikasa (crystal and glass), Moet (champagne), Motel 6, Motown
Records, MP3.com, Mumms (champagne), Nissan (cars; majority owned
by Renault), Nivea, Normany Butter, Ondeo/Nalco Water Treatement,
Parents Magazine, Peugeot (automobiles), Perrier Sparkling Water,
Pierre Cardin, Playstation Magazine, ProScan (owned by Thomson
Electronics, France), Publicis Group (including Saatchi & Saatchi
Advertising), RCA (televisions and electronics; owned by Thomson
Electronics), Red Magazine, Red Roof Inns (owned by Accor group in
France), Renault (automobiles), Road & Track Magazine, Roquefort
cheese (all Roquefort cheese is made in France), Rowenta (toasters,
irons, coffee makers, etc,), Royal Canadian, Salomon (skis),
Seagram's Gin, Sierra Software and Computer Games, Sitram Cookware,
Smart & Final, Sofitel (hotels, owned by Accor), Sparkletts (water,
owned by Danone), Spencer Gifts, Sundance Channel, Taylor Made
(golf), Technicolor, T-Fal (kitchenware), Total gas stations,
UbiSoft (computer games), Uniroyal, Universal Studios (music,
movies and amusement parks; owned by Vivendi-Universal), USFilter,
Veuve Clicquot Champagne, Vittel, VIVENDI-SEAGRAM, Wild Turkey
(bourbon), Wine and Champagne labeled "Product of France", Woman's
Day Magazine, Yoplait (The French company Sodiaal owns a 50 percent
stake), Yves Saint Laurent, Yves Rocher, Zodiac Inflatable Boats.

186k\sec

03-20-2003, 09:45 AM

hey Mike, are you going to trash any of all your Toll-House records..?

how about:?
Dessous
Brique Rogue
Serial
Bassnotic
Robsoul
Yellow
Versitalle

I would be happy to take them off your racially patriotic hands.

Mike S

03-20-2003, 09:52 AM

Havent bought any new ones if thats what you're asking.

MS

186k\sec

03-20-2003, 09:54 AM

no, I was wondering if your going to boycott your french house tracks? old or new...

kristinachilds

03-20-2003, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Mike S
Show me one instance where the US has sold weapons to a state where selling those weapons was forbidden by UN sanctions that the US signed on to.“Li stressed that the U.S. government made explicit commitments in the Sino-U.S. joint communique signed on August 17, 1982, saying that "it does not seek to carry out a long-term policy of arms sales to Taiwan, that its arms sales to Taiwan will not exceed, either in qualitative or in quantitative terms, the level of those supplied in recent years since the establishment of diplomatic relations between the United States and China, and that it intends gradually to reduce its sale of arms to Taiwan, leading, over a period of time, to a final resolution."

”However, the U.S. government has gone back on its word and has been constantly selling various advanced weaponry to Taiwan, going even farther on the dangerous road of selling arms to Taiwan, Li said.”

http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/200104/25/eng20010425_68607.html

“President Clinton has changed our TV channel from war in Iraq to the new war raging in Kosovo. But we should not lose sight of the continuing military and humanitarian tragedy in Iraq. In a clear breach of the goals of Un Resolution 687 - the 1991 Iraqi cease-fire and sanctions resolution - new weapons are being shipped, escalating tensions and threatening further death and destruction in the unstable and arms-bloated Middle East.
”But this time it's the United States, not Iraq, that is undermining international law and standing in violation of the resolution Washington drafted and guided to Security Council passage.
The latest US arms transfers to Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and others in the region - including the sale of the Pentagon's most sophisticated Amram air-to-air missiles - starkly violate the purpose of Resolution 687's calls for comprehensive control of armaments in the region.
The missile deals are not the only US violation. The no-fly zones in Iraq were created by the United States, Britain and France (France has since withdrawn) without the approval of the United Nations. Airstrikes in those areas occur almost daily and are eclipsed only by the bombing in Kosovo. Opposition to the airstrikes continues to grow among US allies and throughout the Arab world; the New York Times identified the new Amram missile sale to Saudi Arabia as a clear sweetener in Washington's diplomatic campaign to staunch that opposition.”
http://www.tni.org/archives/bennis/tragedy.htm
resolution 687 (http://ods-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/596/23/IMG/NR059623.pdf?OpenElement)
but let’s not ignore American military/political manipulation. while there may not have been an actual UN resolution, we’ve been pretty backhanded ourselves:
Bosnia,
and let’s not forget the Iran-Contra arms sales

and just to clarify, (re: arab states invading Israel and getting their asses handed to them) a guerilla group began to divert isreal’s water sources, and Israel responded with heavy military force. the six day war was caused ultimately by the soviets telling Egypt Israel was planning to invade and occupy Syria – most likely a response due to the stepped up US-Israeli arms sale after the resolution um… *checking* 242.
I find it ironic that so many people assume the US involves itself in situations strictly for business interest and put it down for doing so..Yet look the other way when some piss pot like France is clearly doing so.hey, now. before you get your panties in a ruffle, understand that i wasn't condemming US involvment strictly for business purposes. hell, where would we be if we DIDN'T have our own interest in mind. (but, i DO NOT condone human rights violations becuase it's "in our best interest.")

all i was saying is that we dish it, too, so before people go pointing fingers, know that we're no angels ourselves.

Mike S

03-20-2003, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by 186k\sec
no, I was wondering if your going to boycott your french house tracks? old or new...

Aiiight. This is actually how I think it ought to be done.
I think right now boycotting anything French is pointless.
BUT.. when this war is over and we lay out all Saddams WMD - if they say "made in France" - Not only should we indefinitely boycott everything French. We should kick them out of Nato and just to let them know what kind of scum they arte and how frickin pissed they are expel their ambassadors to the US and UN for a short period of time.

Then when they come whining for forgiveness let them back in.

MS

kristinachilds

03-20-2003, 12:14 PM

may i also say that i LOVE you guys. without this stimulating discussion i would go crazy at my lack-of-work-to-keep-me-busy job.

keep those disagreements comin'!

kristinachilds

03-20-2003, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by Mike S
if they say "made in France"...can anyone provide evidence of french-iraq arms sales?

(not an argument, just a question)

186k\sec

03-20-2003, 12:29 PM

BUT.. when this war is over and we lay out all Saddams WMD - if they say "made in France" - Not only should we indefinitely boycott everything French. We should kick them out of Nato

what if we lay the out, & they say "Made in the USA"?

The United States and Britain sold Saddam Hussein the technology and materials Iraq needed to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction.

Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene...............http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.htm

Mike S

03-20-2003, 12:32 PM

You know what Kristina I'm glad we sell the country of Taiwan arms in fact I was pissed we didn't sell them the destroyers with the aegis tracking system on it. See across the straight from the country of Taiwan are the chi-coms and 500 intermediate range missiles aimed at the citizens of the country of Taiwan .. 5 years ago that number was 50 -you want the root of escalating tensions in that region. look there.

And I'm glad we sold Iran arms to get out hostages out and funneled the money to the contras. Really.

The worthless democrats back then (aren't they always) were content in having another soviet client state on our back door.. being the philosophical kin they are.. and could have given a rats ass about the American hostages being held other than to use their captivity as a means to criticize the administration. Lets make one thing perfectly clear. Iran- contra wasn't a scandal because the administration broke the law. It was a scandal because the fanatic socialist democrats actually passed a law forbidding us from giving aid to the anti communist contras.

And what about Bosnia. If we hadn't gone in the body count would be how much higher?

Neat UN speech.. who gave it.. Iraq?

MS

kristinachilds

03-20-2003, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by Mike S
Neat UN speech.. who gave it.. Iraq?you asked me to give you instances, and i gave them to you. did you miss this part of my post?

"understand that i wasn't condemming US involvment strictly for business purposes. hell, where would we be if we DIDN'T have our own interest in mind. (but, i DO NOT condone human rights violations becuase it's "in our best interest.")

all i was saying is that we dish it, too"

other countries that violate UN resolutions have their own interetst, just as when WE do (and we do,) we have our own interests at heart.

i didn't mean to get under your skin. be aware that while i am liberal (well... while half of me is liberal,) i understand that this is the way the world works: if you're in the game with cheaters, you have to play dirty.

i never called anything a "scandal;" i won't start calling foul until human rights violations become known to me.

Mike S

03-20-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by 186k\sec

what if we lay the out, & they say "Made in the USA"?

The United States and Britain sold Saddam Hussein the technology and materials Iraq needed to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction.

Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene...............http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.htm

Yeah 186 and after the sanctions went into effect who do you think had to provoide parts for allthat french and russian military machinery?

Baaah. What the fuck does it matter. It wont matter what they find because you guys will fall back on your default paranoid lefty excuse for everything and say we planted it or someone will come up with a link off of what really happened dot com from an unnamed "source" detailing the "true" source of saddams WMD and if Saddam gets killed they'll be another conspiracy nut out there with some pot induced story about how he was killed to shut him up.

fuck why bother.

MS

ZupanGOD

03-20-2003, 03:25 PM

http://www.insightmag.com/news/357431.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB05Ak02.html

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030315-73400324.htm

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-3-2003_pg4_3

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20030307-545570.htm

and on and on and on.

Enjoy!

ZupanGOD

03-20-2003, 03:28 PM

Mike S

03-20-2003, 04:18 PM

Zup 186 was part of that conversation a while back. I'm of the opinion he doesnt really give a damn about the facts.

MS

HBK

03-20-2003, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Buttrock_Beethoven

It's late enough that you could have just deleted the post and pretend you didn't say that.

AXE
Actually, I've now noticed that mini bics say made in France and the bigger one s say made in USA.

186k\sec

03-21-2003, 08:45 AM

Zup 186 was part of that conversation a while back. I'm of the opinion he doesnt really give a damn about the facts.
& Im of the opinion you dont give a damn about anything that doesnt present your boy in a favorable light, truth be damned.. it is irrelevant to you.
nothing you guys said refuted what was presented. they are the facts..
you're just not interested in be unbiased.. - thats ok, I would not expect anything less, it would be unpatriotic of you.. because being a patriot, means being a good little republican..

ZupanGOD

03-21-2003, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by 186k\sec

& Im of the opinion you dont give a damn about anything that doesnt present your boy in a favorable light, truth be damned.. it is irrelevant to you.
nothing you guys said refuted what was presented. they are the facts..
you're just not interested in be unbiased.. - thats ok, I would not expect anything less, it would be unpatriotic of you.. because being a patriot, means being a good little republican..

Proove it!

186k\sec

03-21-2003, 03:19 PM

dis-prove it..

ZupanGOD

03-21-2003, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by 186k\sec
dis-prove it..

hehe..

Try here..

http://www.nwtekno.org/vb/search.php?s=

RacergirlX

03-26-2003, 02:45 PM

That is why France is a third-rate military power with a socialist economy and a bunch of faggots for soldiers.

Perhaps I'm silly, but should military power really be something on which to base judgement of a people, a civilisation? And if it is, then perhaps we ought to remember France not conquering Europe--only because everyone banded against them--twice. Or Lafayette . . . who saved our ass during the Revolution. Sure, that was a long time ago, and it doesn't matter anymore that France and the US have a long relationship, going back to their being the first country to recognise us as a legitimate and sovereign nation . . .

And I don't see anything wrong with mothers and their children being guaranteed health care; that's kind of a nice idea.