You Crack Heads

[Gaenisa]

*growl*

I hate to say this, but you are starting to make me sick. I'm sorry but if you cannot handle the drugs you are doing, do not take them. Know your limits, I mean jesus people! I'm sorry but what I saw at Atlantis was pathetic. People O.D.ing left and right. How do you think the person who sponsered this party felt? She hosted it in the memory of a dear friend who died of the same exact thing. Get your acts together people. Know what you are taking and how much to take. I promise that if you are one of my friends, and you getting aburdedly messed up at a party in front of me. I shall disown you on the spot. The peices of my heart at much to fragile to be wasted on those that wish to kill themselves.

*sigh*
Gaenisa

[X]

People OD due to stupidity. Don't MIX your DRUGS PEOPLE!!! Candy flippin' is a highway to death.

Be smart, and party responsibly!!!

(P)(L)(U)(R)(!)(!)(!)

[Mobius Trip]

Um... exactly HOW is candyflipping a highway to death?? Just curious!!!

PLUR-
Brandon

[Dreamer777]

I suppose candyflippin' can be a highway to death because mixing various substances together, or taking a madd amount of say X can have unexpected and completely mind blowing reactions that may be too much for the human body to handle, thus something shuts down.... usually the heart, or a wicked coma is induced....

Anywayz, it could be positive for some to ease back on the chemical drugz a bit and
try to get hooked on the musical highs that can be induced some more....or be sober...or flip with caution....or do something that can't o.d. ya round and about 4:20................

Paix!!!!!

[bsweet]

I do not think candy flipping is the highway to death (have to say from experience the first time I took e I was candy flipping). Taking five pills of e, doing a lot of tweak, and whatever else ya'll crazy kids put into yer bodies is a definate pathway downhill.
It sux that there's stupid kids (yes stupid) who ruin both their lives at party but also the good time and vibe of others who just came out to dance and have fun. (why is it that we are witnessing this more often??) I'm wondering if any of the kids who push their limits even read this message board.
Education is the key...seems like a lot of kids just don't have a clue (emphasis on the word "kids") Don't have a clue about what a rave is other than ingesting assorted mind altering substances. Gotta bring back the love for the music; which should be the main reason (the only) to go to these energy gatherings.
Gaenisa don't disown yer friends if they are abusing themselves...just don't let it happen!! Communicate with them before they consume anything about what exactly they are putting into their bodies.
Its pretty sad that Atlantis had to have been made into a joke by a few self-destructive people.

[groovinkim]

tracy & i are interested in organizing some
kind of group in seattle to pass out flyers
about safety & drug use... things like
http://www.harmreduction.net

hopefully that would have an effect on
the current happenings.. i'm finding them
very depressing and frightening..

kim

[fo]

umm... I don't really like to give out my opinion much, but... I don't know, just so there is another agreeing voice, because this should be taken really serriously, PLEASE... be carefull.

I'm sure this is not something new to say, but I don't think people go to parties/raves just for the music and the drugs... I go for all the nice people, too... It's not like when you're not at a party, when sometimes it's hard to say hello or even smile at someone... And it's not that people aren't generally nice, or that there aren't good and real reasons to not be friendly to starangers in this world (I make no statements either way on these)... I don't know, I'm just sayin' that I go to raves for the people, too... and the vibe... Because it feels good...

I didn't go to Atlantis, and I was really bummed about that, but now I'm glad, because if I had to see something like what you others have described... I definately would have felt a lot worse than I did.

Please, everyone, take care of yourselves, and try to take care of those around you when they cannot.

I don't mean to preach... I'm just sorry.

-- fo

[mimi]

Some of my friends helped the host(whos a guy)get the party statred. I didn't go and feel sad about what i heard, but none of my friends who went seem to care and all. There just like o-well it was his own damn fault. I do not know know how Blue Buss production feels thought.

[Goreki]

I am also trying to start a group to pass out flyers in Edmonton, Calgary and Saskatchewan.

If anyone is interested here are some sites to check out:

www.lycaeum.org
rhodium.lycaeum.org
www.erowid.org
www.maps.org

Take care

[I am Brady]

Stupidity is not the reason for OverDoses. Addiction usually is. And most people cannot recognize this, so it just grows and grows. Please watch out for your friends. Contact any 12 step program if needed. PEACE

Brady

[livluv23]

i basically summed up my opinion on the message board about all of this but you are all right and if we all start thinking this way maybe it won't be so out of control. And it will be hopefully more common for dealers to refuse to sell to someone who looks like they have had enough!!! As someone who was dumb enough once to go to a party by myself and do lots and lots of gelcap acid and laid on the floor for 4 hours alone because I was too high to STAND UP (I shake my head that I played roulette my body and my mind!!) I think we all need to start looking out for one another, friends and strangers!!! If you turn the other way and say "oh well, their fault" how in the heck is that UNITY???

[bsweet]

Addiction is not neccessarily a cause for overdoses. Ecstasy is non-addictive. Doing chemicals in excess will cause an overdose...
As for the 12 step programs...I went with one of my friends who was an alcoholic to an AA meeting once; and it frightened me. Those programs are based on fear and control.
LivLuv is right about the lack of unity. Some people just harden their hearts; maybe they have been made numb because "it happens all the time." But it shouldn't have to be that way.

[trospec]

hey kiddiez!!!...heres my view on this rather important and often ignored subject: drugz (should) serve as a means of enhancing reality (use), not escaping from it (abuse). However, when many kidz first come into the scene, they r often swept away by the drugz...they want to see how far they can push the limits of their mental and physical endurance, and the music (very cognitive as such) facilitates this endeavor...as kidz eveolve throughout the scene, they learn how to reach that state of euphoria once reached on drugz without the use of drugz...thatz when the real phun beginz!!...the problem today is that more kidz r comin into the scene than at any other time. This means the apparent level of drug use goes up, and the corresponding levels of drug abuse increase...and much like sheep, kidz tend to follow each other regardless of where their predecesors go...more often than not, they have to make thier own mistakes to learn lessons about moderation and the fine line between use and abuse...to sum up, as more kidz come into the scene the amount of drug abuse will seem to go up...in the end, the music and everyones love of the music (and that place that it takes them to) will win, not the drugz...itll just take time and the devotion of the more experienced kidz to help the newer kidz out...maybe they wont be herded like sheep...n E way, thats my 2 centz...have fun kidz, and partEE 4 what u believe in, not 4 what someone else tells u to believe in...
peace, Billy...

[8RAVENGR8]

Right on Billy, great insight.
8RAVENGR8

[bsweet]

Kim-
That sounds like an awesome idea. Passing out info, even if the kids don't read it at the party; they will definately read it later and learn.
I'm just glad that ketamine really hasn't made much of an impact in the scene here yet. (I'm from the east coast originally; had to see many of my friends go into the downward spiral of "k-world") All I know is if K ever reaches this scene on the scale it has on the east, it will be the downfall of the scene.

[J ru]

I just wanted to also add to billy's thread that as an older kid, I try my best to support those that are younger than me. This means I go to parties sober, and sometimes not, and try to show peeps that you can be responsible for your own actions by using in moderation. I just wish that more kidz my age would open up to the younger kidz, because it seems appearant from what is happening now that they need our support, and a lot of older groovers i see dont help out at all. in fact, all they do is talk sh*t about the younger kidz without offering a solution or constructive criticism to the problem. I sincerely hope that EVERYONE will open up their eyes a bit more and communicate with each other. Its the only way i can see things getting better.
Peace. Jason

[livluv23]

*big smile*
I am sooooo glad to hear everyone's positive attitude-without it there would be no hope(a fear that creeps in my head ev'ry now and again) and you guys are totally on the right track in my opinion!!! Especially about how the Oldskoolers need to keep on helping out us new kids who have been struggling with our careless ways and mindless (literally)thinking!! We don't want to be like our parents and the generation before us do we?? They went wrong by just shaking their heads at what they saw ignoring the serious problems. But everyone once started out the same way!! It takes role models and guidance because only a few can get out of the hole on their own, many others get out in an ambulance. So instead of clowning on new kids because they don't "get it" or blaming them for their own drug abuse we need to educate and innitiate positivenwss and the more support anyone has, the easier the battle!!!

[A D I D A S]

Hello all.. Very well said positive remarks so far, the only thoughs I have to add, as not well thought out as they are (I am very tired) is my theory of mental addiction which is focusing on the positive aspects of your drug of choice withought seing or caring about the short or long term negitive effects, either physical, mental, monatary (sp?), social, or other. This leads into the 'more is better' attitude which leads to abuse and overdose. this is just what I have seen friends go through. the "I can handle myself and I know what is ok for me to do and nobody understands" phase. Also we as the modern social people we are, the majority of us (not meant to be a insult) are sheep. we follow what we see others do and assume if they believe its ok, then you don't need to think it over yourself. Also as to the newbies into the scene (which I am one) you feel pressure, mainly in your own mind, to fit in, and seing a strong use of drugs and lots of support for using coaxes (sp?) you into it. The handing out information about responsibe drug use and its effects is a good idea, espicially if it were handed out by fellow ravers, and not set on a table.. theres my oppinions, from what I have seen. Take care of yourselfs and eachother, please.

~¤ADIDAS¤~

[livluv23]

right Adidas!! I agree that if the kidz go out and pass out the flyers it usually ends up in someones pocket or backpack down the line and gets read the next day (sometimes on the spot) Hardly anyone seems to want to approach a table or someone just standing there with a stack of flyers, it is like admitting you care (ooh,no!!). It may take a while because no one wants someone else suggesting how they live their life, but if the people in charge are genuine in their cause and are really insightful then eventually the message will sink in and not just get tossed on the ground!!
p.s I would like to help:)

[Goreki]

I have wanted to start that up for awhile now and with the help of a friend I getting closer to have flyers made up and other sort of info documents as well. When I fisrt started I was disscourage by the lack of support. Most kids would ingore me and tell me to worry about myself but I look around and I worry about what I see. I really hate when people fly of the handle all for the sack of getting fucked up. The more people undersatnd the more they well think that next time they decided 4 is the lucky number for the night.
Take care

[groovinkim]

there is a meeting going on tonight
about harm reduction at psiek at 9pm.

everyone is planning what to do and
trying to form some sort of group to
do info booths at parties.

show up if you can! 2213 nw market st
in ballard

[phoenix]

well i just wrote a really long reply straight from the heart and when i tried to send it, i got this message that said the server could not be reache dcause it was full or something like that so here is the very very brief version..
we are at the forefront of a tremendous shift in awareness on a global scale. it almost happened in the 60's but the drugs got in the way. This is not to say that drugs are bad, they are tools. Like any tool they can be used well or irresponsibly. I strongly feel that those of us who are more experienced drug users/ravers/humans have a responsibility to share our knowledge and experience w/ those who are less experienced. This involves a bit of work, but it is well worth it in the long run. sharing wisdom from elders to youth is an essential part of any culture's survival with integrity.
This means taking the time to say hello to the new faces at parties, taking time to check on that person laid out ion the floor to make sure they're alright, taking time to refer someone to a reputable dealer. Taking time to reduce the drug traffic at parties by buying ahead of time so the cops have less reasons to get involved. Being a responsible elder also means having the sense to conduct yourself responsibly and the discipline to insist that your friends do the same, or at least let them know you value them enough to want them to respect their minds and bodies. There are many ways to make some one feel welcome, cared for, and respected so they don't feel they have to do more drugs than their friend to feel cool. I hope that ppl remember why they go to parties, is it the drugs? the clothes? the ppl? the music? the love? if it makes you feel good when you think of why you go, then keep on dancin! if it doesn't make you feel good then please, don't come to another party until you can think of a reason that does make you feel good. please. Intention is the heart if every action and intention is the foundation of our reality. if you go to a party w/ good clear positive intent then you are going to drown out the confused static of 5 ppl. and if you share that then you help clear out their static just alittle bit. and if 5 ppl do that then that's 25 ppl and if 20 do that then that's 100 ppl who might have had an ok time or a sketchy one who will now have a good time because you cared enough to be clear about why you were going, what you were looking for, how you wnated to feel, and what you would and would not tolerate from those around you. There is power in the heart and the mind. Im not saying that happy fluffy thoughts will eliminate all the bad vibe, but good attitude encourages more good attitude and if one person a night takes the time to say to the ppl who are screaming E! or whatever for sale that that's not the way to make good business then things will change. its all about taking the first steps to the next level.
If there is anyone in the portland area who wants to get together and spend some time assembling educational fliers and perhaps a website w/futhur information i would be all over it. so i hope to hear from a few of you to get that started.
May the long time sun shine upon you, all love surround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on.

shalom y'all!
o-and umm, candy flippin is not a highway to death. its fun if you can handle all that input. irresponsible dosage and not knowing your dealer and doing drugs to hide or escape ARE HIGHWAYS TO DEATH.

[Cypher]

If you going to drugs at a rave, use common sense and only get it from people you know and trust. You don't know what your getting when your dealing with strangers.
Peace

[Parteekyd]

i think the last post was the one i agree with most.. but bits and parts of the other one. there are no two chemicals in acid and a NORMAL pill (as apposed to one laced with whack shit) that will cause death. but major amounts of either can be harmful so if your going to a harmful point with either yes together the drugs are even worse. As for the promotors of atlantis (my best friend and his father put up the money) they were saddened that kids got out of control yes but probably relize that it happens and they had no control over it. basically DANCESAFE know what your taking...as someone said earlier...know your dealer know your drugs..don;t just take something cuase someone passes it to you and says this is gunna be great your gunna love it. DO DRUGS ..DON'T LET THEM DO YOU

[jewelss]

Atlantis...That was my 2nd or 3rd major rave. I was enjoying the beautiful sky,my friends,the music,& getting a massage. It seemed perfect...then this guy starts geekin right in front of us. Everybody had to form a crowd & watch. That was probably the worst thing U can do. I don't know what the guy was on, heck he could've just had an allergic reaction to something, but everybody needs to be responsible for themselves. I was not as dissapointed with the guy as i was the people standing around him. That doesn't help.

Later in the morning, my boyfriend started reading one of the flyers we recieved...That rave was dedicated to a kid that OD at a different rave on his B-Day. That kid was in a coma for a week & then died. It isn't very often i see my boyfriend of 8 years have tears in his eyes.

Is this how it is supposed to be?

I am there to have fun, enjoy the music, dance, & most of all to enjoy the people-my friends.

Love YA :) P*L*U*R*

[djsence]

those selfish fuckers ODing and ruining the party for everyone else.

[kiss Ditz]

I'm really proud of myself, because regardless of how fun it is I finally quit! I can definitely still have fun at parties sober. Now I just get to remember them! =D

[Rebel]

Well hey! Stay Safe Seattle tries to attend as many parties as we possibly can! We have booths of information set up, and we also try and walk around to pass out the information =D

Also, for the ultra-safe raver, we usually have earplugs and condoms to give out!

Check us out:

www.myspace.com/staysafeseattle

[Amos Happ]

wait a minute- can we back up to the person who said that ecstacy isn't addictive?

Do people think that 's true?

I am not sure how reliable the following source is, but the link seems very well-balanced (i.e. not a scare tactic made by your grandpa)

http://thedea.org/addiction.html

That source confirms what I had previously understood to be the case- that ecstacy is addictive, although somewhat less so than amphetamines or heroin, etc.

Whether or not it is addictive, it is certainly destructive in frequent doses.

I was pretty startled to see that. I would imagine that people who consider ecstacy non-addictive and non-toxic would believe ANYTHING- like, I don't know, stuff about Mayan calendars... who knows?

[groove_E]

Keep in mind that the original post was made back in 1999, I've not really paid attention to the growing knowledge that science has of E, but I know back then when I was partying that was the general consensus..

I thought Gaenisa was back on the board, I woulda been shocked! oh well...

[LucyFurr]

I know, the only reason I even clicked on the thread was because I saw the name, what a letdown. This thread does not deliver.
Originally posted by groove_E

I thought Gaenisa was back on the board, I woulda been shocked! oh well...

[Amos Happ]

whoa! That's amazing. 8 years. Well, whomever I was hoping to infotain is probably fried by now anyway, or more lilkely a parent, or both.

[hanachii]

I have some rules for dropping and drinking : D
It keeps me safe and happy ;] I'm one of those strange pople that doesn't think E is addictive. =O a little bit maybe, but i didn't have any withdrawls at all when i quit taking it. . .And i had been double dopping and sometimes double double for a loooong time and often (like every weekend often O_O that's just not good for you xD;; I've changed my ways.)

Most of the time I am sober. I feel that while i love being high and balling and really get alot out of it, in the end i get more out of it when sober :]

rule #1
Never mix any drug and alcohol.
why? Alchol lowers your personal reserves and makes it harder to think.

Rule number #2
If you drink don't mix Your alcohols.
Drink beer + Beer and stay away from the hard stuff.

Rule #3
If it's sweet asting, it has too much alcohol in it and it'll knock you on your ass.
why? Anyone heard of Singapore Slings? that's why.

Rule #4
Never do more than a double drop.
why? You'll build up a tolernace to it, and end up taking more and more and increase your risk of OD, and not get as good a high.

Rule #5
WATER IS YOUR NEW BEST FRIEND
but don't drink more than 2 liters,
dropping E can cause hydro-whatchmacallit... >_<
basically water poisoning. because your body retains it.

rule #6
ALWAYS have condoms just in case xD

Dunno : D I live by these rules when partying. and i've never had a problem.

[Soggy]

Make yer choicez. Be aware of the consequencez. Above all trust yer gut, be realistic & be comfortable with yo'self. I'm not gunna tell you whut to do but I will tell you I can no longer count the number of my friendz who have OD'd & died, been murdered over their involvement in drugz, become all strung out to the point where they're zombiez or been sent to jail &/or prison. It iz a reality. Think. PEACE! Sog-Dog

[Soggy]

Originally posted by kiss Ditz
I'm really proud of myself, because regardless of how fun it is I finally quit! I can definitely still have fun at parties sober. Now I just get to remember them! =D Wurd!