Ebay seller refuses to ship item to canada

[groovinkim]

this ebay seller refused to ship an item to a winning bidder in canada,
saying that it was because of canada's lack of support for the war.

the seller relisted the item, and the guy won it again. this time he provided a stateside shipping address. the seller refused to ship it to the states, saying that shipping it somewhere else didn't make the guy any less canadian. now the guy plans on going to the seller's physical store in atlanta and standing outside and protesting.


http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,58190,00.html

[HexRei]

it is the retailer's right to have political opinions, i suppose.... *shrug*
let the guy come and protest.

[frggystyl]

... I understand the retailer's view, but imho, he is really stickin' it to himself. Does he think that because the gov't of Canada says one thing that the people also say the same thing? As has been proven here in the states, that is not always the case.
I say sell the damned printer to the fuggin' canuck. I bet the retailer prolly eats freedom fries too.:rolleyes:

To each his own. As Voltaire said... "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it."

[booboo69]

Sounds about right for Atlanta. The store owner is an idiot imo, he's losing potential business by being so stubborn. But, it's everyone's right to refuse service to anyone, so...his loss.

[Carley]

Heh, what a dumb fuck :D

[186k\sec]

thats nuts:

how about this?! --------------------------------------------------------------

03/17/2003 - Updated 03:05 PM ET

Traveler with anti-war signs finds complaint inserted into bag after security search

SEATTLE (AP) — An airline passenger who had two "No War with Iraq" signs in his suitcase says the federal security agent who opened his luggage inserted a note criticizing his "anti-American attitude."

"I found it chilling and a little Orwellian to have received this message," said Seth Goldberg, 41, of Cranbury, N.J.

Federal Transportation Security Administration officials are investigating.

Goldberg says that after a March 2 flight from Seattle to San Diego, he opened his bag and found a card notifying him that TSA had opened and searched it.

A handwritten note on the card said: "Don't appreciate your anti-American attitude!"

He said it would have been hard for anyone else to have placed the note because when he claimed the bag in San Diego the zipper pulls were sealed with nylon straps that indicated a TSA inspection.

If a TSA employee placed the note, "we will take appropriate and swift action," TSA spokesman Brian Turmail said Saturday from Washington, D.C.

"That is not appropriate behavior and not within the very high expectations we hold ... and that the American public has a right to expect," Turmail added.

Screeners are trained "in a range of customer service issues ... to assure the security process is polite, professional and appropriate," Turmail said.

Goldberg said he picked up the anti-war signs in Seattle. "In New Jersey there's very little in the way of protest and when I got to Seattle I was amazed how many anti-war signs were up in front of houses," he said

[DJ Rawkus]

There was a stupid incident last week at the Crossgates Mall in Guilderland, N.Y., where a 61-year-old lawyer and his son put on T shirts that read PEACE ON EARTH and GIVE PEACE A CHANCE, and were ordered by mall security guards to remove the shirts or leave. The lawyer refused, and was charged with trespassing. At high schools across the country, some students were threatened with suspension if they cut classes in order to participate in antiwar demonstrations. The incidents caused a stir, but were insignificant compared with the damage that the Ashcroft Justice Department has inflicted on American freedom since 9/11--a zealot's agenda of *illegal detentions, denials of due process and invasions of privacy. If the war on terrorism is open-ended, that means "emergency" measures to combat terrorism can go on indefinitely. That way lies the police state. Americans should also be careful about Bush's ram-it-and-jam-it, get-real style of pre-emptive global law enforcement Wyatt Earp on a mission of Napoleonic Wilsonianism. On the other hand, humility and self-doubt can get you killed in a dangerous world.


*Immigration and Naturalization Service has no business throwing men like San Jose resident Faramarz Farahani in jail for five days, treating him worse than it would a convicted felon. Felons at least get due process and a cot to sleep on. Farahani had neither. An Iranian-born systems analyst, Farahani, 42, is a Canadian citizen and the father of two. He is one of about 400 men — the INS won't say exactly how many — detained in California the week before Christmas under a bizarrely enforced post-Sept. 11 immigration regulation.

Farahani and others made the mistake of trying to comply with the rule. Other men from Mideast countries could be subjected to similar abuse, unless the INS changes its approach. Farahani is one of thousands of males 16 and over born in five countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Sudan — who were required to register with the INS by Dec. 16. All hold temporary visas, which permit study, vacation or work for specified times.

The basis for the rule, keeping track of individuals from nations suspected of sheltering or backing terrorists, was sound. But the INS didn't anticipate the last-minute rush in registration. In what has become typical under Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites)'s oversight, the agency executed the policy without regard for individual circumstances or collective rights. Many of those detained apparently had minor visa violations or had overstayed their visas. Others had already applied for green cards as permanent residents, a process often delayed by INS bungling. Farahani and others from Canada with high-tech work visas committed the sin of registering two days late.

The majority of those jailed apparently were Iranians living in Southern California. Farahani and 20 or so others were immediately handcuffed and hauled off after registering at INS offices in San Jose and San Francisco. What happened next, say their lawyers, was a harrowing journey in a blur: a cross-country trip in search of empty cells in three states before being dispatched to a crowded detention center in San Diego. Released on his own recognizance on Christmas Eve, Farahani faces a hearing to decide if he'll be deported. Individuals like Farahani, who voluntarily submit to fingerprinting, make unlikely terrorists. Humiliating them doesn't make the nation safer. Intimidating them doesn't encourage their cooperation...

[Tecknowledgy]

Originally posted by HexRei
it is the retailer's right to have political opinions, i suppose.... *shrug*
let the guy come and protest.

No way, protests aren't allowed.

[Cedwyn]

ummm....isn't following through with the sale, regardless of the winning bidder, part of the agreement of selling something on ebay?

[HexRei]

Originally posted by Cedwyn
ummm....isn't following through with the sale, regardless of the winning bidder, part of the agreement of selling something on ebay?

David Ingram received notification that his winning bid of $24.50 had been canceled, along with this message: "At the present time, we do not ship to, or accept bids from, Canada, Mexico, France, Germany or any other country that does not support the United States in our efforts to rid the world of Saddam Hussein. If you are not with us, you are against us."
...
However, an e-mail exchange between Ingram and Mitchell clearly laid out the company's policy: "What part of this listing do you not understand?" Mitchell wrote Ingram. "This item will not be shipped outside the USA, and we do not accept bids from Canadians. Both are plainly stated."


From what I can gather in the article, these terms were stated in the listing itself, so they are well within their rights as ebay sellers.
Lots of companies will not ship to certain locations, it's quite common, the reasons are moot because they can have whatever policies they like.

[Imbue23]

so what would he do if it was an American buying it that was against the war?

[186k\sec]

so what would he do if it was an American buying it that was against the war?

wrap it with anthrax

[Mike S]

Originally posted by Imbue23
so what would he do if it was an American buying it that was against the war?


Better yet how would he know that the Canadian buying it didnt actually support the war?

MS

[Mike S]

Originally posted by 186k\sec


wrap it with anthrax

No no no 186.. if you bought it he'd just wrap it in an iraqi flag.

;)

MS

[186k\sec]

heh,

id leave negative feedback..
that would be enouph to send him into a tizzy.

[booboo69]

Originally posted by Mike S

Better yet how would he know that the Canadian buying it didnt actually support the war?


Bah, who cares? Those damn canucks are just as bad as the french! :p

[ChiralTwinz]

now that is fucking histerical.....

absolutely funny.

too much to stomach!

....just when you think americans are the dumbest people on the face of the earth!!

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!