Operation Support Our Troops Rallies [Archive]

Carley

03-26-2003, 07:27 AM

James!!!! *hugs*

I just got this from my cousin in Japan who is patiently awaiting her husbands return from his secret-spy-missions in Iraq ;)

Hi everyone!

Sorry for the mass email to everyone, but I wanted to let all of you know that there is something you can do to show support of the troops and the President (who the troops are behind mind you), and that is to tie a big yellow ribbon in a visible area - like on a tree or something like that. Support is what they need to see! Not the protests! That is a message you can help to spread as well. :)

So, if you feel your heart is so inclined, PLEASE DO THIS!!! Supporting the troops means SUPPORTING THEM! This war can be considered even more personal to all of you, who know at lease one and possibly more, people over there right now as we speak. I can tell you as can others, that the thing to do is SHOW SUPPORT!

So - there's my big rally call! Take care and I hope everyone is doing well.

A friend sent this to me,

"Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need ... Amen."

Please show support for what they are doing for you and me and all those in need right now. Love, Megan

UrbanAssualtCutie

03-26-2003, 08:24 AM

Hmmm I am torn about this issue. Since I personally know people in Iraq and care about them, I want to offer all the support I can. On the other hand I am adamantly against this war on religious, moral and practical terms, therefore I cannot “support the troops”. I would never wish harm on any of our American military members, nor would I treat them with disrespect, and certainly I can appreciate the fact that they likely do not want to be in Iraq facing death, but to rally behind the military in this operation would be to surrender my strong opposition to it, at least in my opinion. In fact it sickens me to see many of the people I marched beside in opposition to the war before it began now yelling as loud as they can at support the war rallies now. It's disingenuous to lay aside reasonable moral objections and "support the troops." One need not "support" the deaths of innocents simply because the government has started an unnecessary war. I hear a lot of people say we need to present a "unified" front during war. This in my opinion is a horrendous argument. Is unity so important that it should neuter and silence all concern for innocents slaughtered by "our troops," not to mention the danger to the troops themselves? Should Iraqi women and children die for having the misfortune of living under the thumb of a tinhorn dictator (and one-time U.S. ally)?
I guess my point is If you do not support this war, please don't say you "support the troops" now. It's being passive. It's dishonest. It's un-American. But please everyone wish our service men and women a safe and speedy return!

Carley

03-26-2003, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by UrbanAssualtCutie

I guess my point is If you do not support this war, please don't say you "support the troops" now. It's being passive. It's dishonest. It's un-American. But please everyone wish our service men and women a safe and speedy return!

I completely disagree :) I support ALL of my friends & family (who come from a WIDE spectrum of genders, ethnicities, nationalities, sexual preferences & occupations) out of love for them as people, not their poltics.

Walter says:

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(^that's a Blackhawk kids! Ohhhh! Pretty :))

/edited for clarity

kristinachilds

03-26-2003, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by UrbanAssualtCutie
On the other hand I am adamantly against this war on religious, moral and practical terms, therefore I cannot “support the troops”.with all due respect, supporting the troops and supporting military action are two very different things. the troops don't choose where they go and who they fight, nor do they choose when they leave. they are property of the united states government. period.

i'm sure there are many troops who don't want to be there, and to have to be there fighting - and wondering what your reception will be like when you come home... well... we learned our lesson during vietnam.

i'm on the fence about this war. there are good points - and just as many bad points. being on the fence, i certainly won't support military action, but i will certainly tell the troops that my heart and hopes are with them.

i understand you don't wish harm, but we must draw a distinction between supporting the war and supporting the troops. the two are not synonymous.

Tecknowledgy

03-26-2003, 08:49 AM

A yellow ribbon, instead of a swastika.

UrbanAssualtCutie

03-26-2003, 08:49 AM

Effendi

03-26-2003, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by UrbanAssualtCutie

I guess my point is If you do not support this war, please don't say you "support the troops" now. It's being passive. It's dishonest. It's un-American.

I absolutely hear you and agree!!

I have a number of friends currently in the gulf, guys I trained with for years. Many of which truely believe what they are doing is sanctioned by god. They are my friends, and I always wish their safety HOWEVER as much as I support our friendship, we all "Create Our Own Reality" and I do not support president bush's decision to put their lives at risk.

I do NOT support conventional warfare, I never have and never would. This country was founded and WON Unconventionally from the British. Now a mere 240 years later we are sounding exactly like the British must have sounded like back then.

And just like the British, we will win many small battles but we will loose in the end. I guess it's the same type of Irony that the majority of prime real estate around Pearle Harbor is owned by Elite Japanese. We Nuked them and everyone says we won, but in the end, they own what we gave our lives to defend.

Isn't this world Grand.
UAC is absolutely correct, don't be a weak "Bandwagon" American, WE all love and personally support our loved ones in Uniform, but if you REALLY love and support them, Bring them home out of Harms way!!

Scott!!

UrbanAssualtCutie

03-26-2003, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by kristinachilds
with all due respect, supporting the troops and supporting military action are two very different things. the troops don't choose where they go and who they fight, nor do they choose when they leave. they are property of the united states government. period.

i'm sure there are many troops who don't want to be there, and to have to be there fighting - and wondering what your reception will be like when you come home... well... we learned our lesson during vietnam.

i'm on the fence about this war. there are good points - and just as many bad points. being on the fence, i certainly won't support military action, but i will certainly tell the troops that my heart and hopes are with them.

i understand you don't wish harm, but we must draw a distinction between supporting the war and supporting the troops. the two are not synonymous.

This is the exact type of emotional blackmail I am talking about! If you go stand on a street corner screaming go marines, fundatmentally you are supporting what they are doing! I feel that if you do not support this war it is morally reprehensible to do this! This is just my opinion! I already stated I appreciate the fact that many of them do not want to be there, and like I said I hope they will return quickly and safely, but under no circumstance will you see me on a street corner cheering on what they are doing!

186k\sec

03-26-2003, 08:58 AM

UACutie,
I can appreciate you feelings about the war, I agree it is not justified **still**, but lets make one thing clear.. 'the troops' didnt have any say or political influence in their deployment.. long before the Iraq situation came to reality, the troops (GI's) had already pleadged to uphold their leaderships orders.. that is deal when you sign up.. its a serious contract.. & a serious job to do.. this is exaclty why they DO deserve our support.. I think you're just a bit confused, you >are< in support of their safe & quick return, but not in support of thier mission.. me too. - but that beef is with the administration.. > they are the enemy in terms of the domestic war.. not the GI's - they should be completley supported, recognized, and honored..

Carley

03-26-2003, 08:59 AM

I should have been clear what I mean to say (although I am sure you still disagree) is support those you love, do not fall victim to the government and the media's propaganda that says we must "support the troops" and surrender your opposition to the war, that is if you do not support it.

Thanks for the clarification. I think there is a quite huge difference between supporting the people who I love & "surrendering opposition." I DON'T think that they (emotional/moral support of my friends/family & peace) are mutually in/exclusive. I pray my family & friends come home alive, and I support them emotionally (ESPECIALLY when they are either putting their lives at risk, or waiting for their husbands to come home) regardless of *anything* FIRST. THEN comes politics.

If you go stand on a street corner screaming go marines, fundatmentally you are supporting what they are doing!

I think that if you would attend one of these events you would find people with all sorts of views & opinions, & that most of them are simply offering moral to their family & friends. They are not the "brainwashed" idiots that happen to catch media attention, much like the fools at the anti-war protests who break shit. ;)

But regardless, we can disagree :) it makes things fun.

I do not support president bush's decision to put their lives at risk.

Nor do I, at least under these very hairy circumstances.

Carley

03-26-2003, 08:59 AM

UrbanAssualtCutie

03-26-2003, 09:15 AM

My goodness I am inarticulate today! I of course do note the distinction between supporting individuals and supporting what they are doing. I fully understand their separation from the political aspects of this war and that my beef is with the government not the people forced to execute their diabolical scheme. I also understand that there is bound to be a wide array of beliefs at these "support the troops" events. However, I do find that on some level when you stand on a corner yelling support the troops it is taken by many (not just myself) as support of the war. Just look at how the media covers these events as "pro-war rallies". All I am saying is that I will not tacitly consent to this war, even in this benign form and I feel others truly opposed should not either. Why not say "support the human race and end all this insanity!" Well I will not say anymore in order to avoid talking in circles; I seriously doubt that I will be persuaded though.

Carley

03-26-2003, 09:21 AM

"support the human race and end all this insanity!"

:)

Mike S

03-26-2003, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by 186k\sec
UACutie,
I can appreciate you feelings about the war, I agree it is not justified **still**, but lets make one thing clear.. 'the troops' didnt have any say or political influence in their deployment.. long before the Iraq situation came to reality, the troops (GI's) had already pleadged to uphold their leaderships orders.. that is deal when you sign up.. its a serious contract.. & a serious job to do.. this is exaclty why they DO deserve our support.. I think you're just a bit confused, you >are< in support of their safe & quick return, but not in support of thier mission.. me too. - but that beef is with the administration.. > they are the enemy in terms of the domestic war.. not the GI's - they should be completley supported, recognized, and honored..

Perfect! Thank you 186!

UAC your point is well taken and for what its worth I don't know a single person who is "pro-war" even though they may, like myself, support our actions in Iraq. That being said you wont find me, or some of these other people, participating in an "anti war" rally. Lets call these rallies what they are. Demonstrations for or against the policies of our government.

If I can try and add something as well.. This past weekend, specifically Saturday, I spent it out photographing the rallies. I went to the downtown one first.. then went to Bellevue support the troops rally expecting it to just be a handful of people. Boy was I wrong. There were - from what I could tell - a couple of thousand people. Bellevue cops said 4 thousand- but anyway- It was amazing.

Mike

kristinachilds

03-26-2003, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by UrbanAssualtCutie
I should have been clear what I mean to say (although I am sure you still disagree) is support those you love, do not fall victim to the government and the media's propaganda that says we must "support the troops" and surrender your opposition to the war, that is if you do not support it. It seems to me that since the Regan era every time there is some sort of military operation the public outcries to "support the troops" are used to pull on the heart strings of dissenters and illicit public consent, it always goes something like this "If you don't support the troops or the president, why, you're helping the enemy or you are against America." What a load of crap!i hear what you're saying, and understand and agree completely that government uses "support the troops" outcries to dishonestly illicit war support. it works. there are many people who abandon their beliefs on the pretext that they "now must do their duty to their fellow americans."

you're also right that i still disagree that we mustn’t "support the troops." just because this action is misused by politicians doesn't make it wrong. yes, it is wrong to abandon your principals and follow the crowd. it is not wrong to hold your principals near and also show support and love for those who are risking their lives. to shun those who are risking thier lives would be wrong.

effendi, i agree there are many soldiers who fall under the Puppet Master's spell. there are soldiers who are glad to be there, and are proud to serve president bush. but not all. as a side note, how do you expect to bring them home?
This is the exact type of emotional blackmail I am talking about! If you go stand on a street corner screaming go marines, fundamentally you are supporting what they are doing! I feel that if you do not support this war it is morally reprehensible to do this! This is just my opinion! I already stated I appreciate the fact that many of them do not want to be there, and like I said I hope they will return quickly and safely, but under no circumstance will you see me on a street corner cheering on what they are doing!no emotional blackmail here. i'm not screaming "go marines" either. (and for the record, i'm not standing on any street corner, nor will i be.) supporting the troops doesn't mean supporting the cause. i'm saying you have to draw a distinction. if there was a rally, and the signs said "go marines," i would draw the assumption that it was a pro-war rally. if i was to drive by a bridge and see signs that said "support our troops, bring them home," i would draw a contrasting assumption. the best, i think, is seeing "support our troops, bring them home," at an anti-war rally.

you see, there's a distinction to be made between supporting troops and supporting the commands that put them their in the first place.

186 has got it right.

186k\sec

03-26-2003, 09:38 AM

I also understand that there is bound to be a wide array of beliefs at these "support the troops" events. However, I do find that on some level when you stand on a corner yelling support the troops it is taken by many (not just myself) as support of the war

i think your right, verbal & public demonstrating is easily used by the pro-war group to advance their cause & rally more pro-war followers.. this is why its mostly just the pro-war group that does this... just as the anti- group rallies to stand against ,and encourage others to follow.
you bring up a good point, & im not sure that there is a 'wide array of beliefs' at the rallies, I think two camps are pretty much oil & water (no pun intended) and that the messages & beliefs from ea. camp are fairly unified - lacking representation of opposing camps...

it made me think what the reaction would be from pro-war ralliers, if I showed up with a sign that said "Support Our Troops ! Send 'em back home in lieu of graves" - I imagine I could expect some stong opposition, perhaps not..

kristinachilds

03-26-2003, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by UrbanAssualtCutie
Just look at how the media covers these events as "pro-war rallies". i'm not questioning the news as you see it, but the reports i have seen are seeminly careful to call them "support the troops rallies."

i have seen reports on pro-war rallies, but the interviews with those attendees are overwhelmingly pro-war.

...how can anyone be pro-war?

i can appreciate you not wanting to talk in circles. i had to do that in a particular thread i will not mention. it's exhausting indeed.

Carley

03-26-2003, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by 186k\sec

it made me think what the reaction would be from pro-war ralliers, if I showed up with a sign that said "Support Our Troops ! Send 'em back home in lieu of graves" - I imagine I could expect some stong opposition, perhaps not..

I hate to assume, but I'd say most people want their sons/daughters/family/friends back home in lieu of graves too... ;)

Although I know you weren't serious, I would think the only 'opposition' you would face would be that of disgust. Because it's not *nice* or *tactful* to shove inevitable death into the faces of families (and children) who are out their with the intentions of showing moral support to their husbands/wives/fathers/mothers. They think about death enough :) Trust that. They don't need to be "shocked" by people with signs or staged 'war casualties' to know their loved ones might not come home.

& im not sure that there is a 'wide array of beliefs' at the rallies, I think two camps are pretty much oil & water (no pun intended) and that the messages & beliefs from ea. camp are fairly unified - lacking representation of opposing camps...

Hmmm... well if that were so, wouldn't it make things a little easier? To the contrary, I think that MOST people are quite uncertain about all this & that uncertainty is not limited to their own views (save fanatics). We can watch & see how the polls fluctuate over the next few weeks to see ;)

186k\sec

03-26-2003, 10:13 AM

Although I know you weren't serious, I would think the only 'opposition' you would face would be that of disgust. Because it's not *nice* or *tactful* to shove inevitable death into the faces of families (and children) who are out their with the intentions of showing moral support to their husbands/wives/fathers/mothers. They think about death enough Trust that. They don't need to be "shocked" by people with signs or staged 'war casualties' to know their loved ones might not come home.

yeah, thats what my gut tells me. its innapropriate, let alone insensitive..... . & reinforces my belief that the two groups should always respect ea. others opinions - but be made sepparatley in order to do so.. hence., pro-war rallies are held in Bellevue, where support for the war is high, and likewise the anti-war group uses the city to assemble.. I was just lamenting, nothing positive seems to come out when both groups publically oppose ea. other..

We can watch & see how the polls fluctuate over the next few weeks to see
yeah, no kidding,
polls to me only provides some limited indication of how the public felt yesterday........ we all know numbers can swing drastically in one direction or the other faster than FedEx priority .

FnkyChnkyMnky

03-26-2003, 10:40 AM

i hear what you're saying, and understand and agree completely that government uses "support the troops" outcries to dishonestly illicit war support. it works. there are many people who abandon their beliefs on the pretext that they "now must do their duty to their fellow americans."

then again, the liberal media constantly pushes "anti-war" crap in our face. it can go both ways.

it personaly infuriates me every time i see anti-war coverage or biased news coverage. its a rare thing to see anything in the news about anything pro-troops. i've fallen in love with Fox News.

Mike S

03-26-2003, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by FnkyChnkyMnky

then again, the liberal media constantly pushes "anti-war" crap in our face. it can go both ways.

it personaly infuriates me every time i see anti-war coverage or biased news coverage. its a rare thing to see anything in the news about anything pro-troops. i've fallen in love with Fox News.

Yeah notice how they call the suppoort the troops rallies "pro-war" rallies.. interesting huh.

MS

Effendi

03-26-2003, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by FnkyChnkyMnky

it personaly infuriates me every time i see anti-war coverage or biased news coverage. i've fallen in love with Fox News.

Then I strongly suggest that you head down to your local armed forces recruiter and grab a gun and go kill some of these sand bastards.

People like you that are so gung ho should get a mouthful of what war is really about.

I keep hearing you guys say that it is worth "American Lives" to liberate the Iraqi people, yet here you sit at home. You must mean "OTHER" American lives.

Scott!!

FnkyChnkyMnky

03-26-2003, 11:43 AM

Then I strongly suggest that you head down to your local armed forces recruiter and grab a gun and go kill some of these sand bastards.

People like you that are so gung ho should get a mouthful of what war is really about.

I keep hearing you guys say that it is worth "American Lives" to liberate the Iraqi people, yet here you sit at home. You must mean "OTHER" American lives.

and I'm sure you are an expert in the subject matter.

and just to clarify a few things buddy... i'm a marine reservist. im a gunner in a m1a1 tank. many of my friends and a few of my family members are already over in Iraq. i was supposed to be in iraq, but the issues with turkey put that on hold for the time being.

what im trying to say is you have no right or place to lecture me about war, fighting, or the military.

Mike S

03-26-2003, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by Effendi

Then I strongly suggest that you head down to your local armed forces recruiter and grab a gun and go kill some of these sand bastards.

People like you that are so gung ho should get a mouthful of what war is really about.

I keep hearing you guys say that it is worth "American Lives" to liberate the Iraqi people, yet here you sit at home. You must mean "OTHER" American lives.

Scott!!

Yup Scott .. when we Americans decide Military action is necessary we call on the professionals that choose to do that work to do it for us.
Amazing concept isnt it.

MS

kristinachilds

03-26-2003, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Effendi
Then I strongly suggest that you head down to your local armed forces recruiter and grab a gun and go kill some of these sand bastards.

People like you that are so gung ho should get a mouthful of what war is really about.

I keep hearing you guys say that it is worth "American Lives" to liberate the Iraqi people, yet here you sit at home. You must mean "OTHER" American lives.

Scott!! *picking up monkey doo*
hey there, scott. no one likes biased new coverage.

what i don't get, mnky, is why a)you've chosen FOX news as your unbiased news source and b) why it infuriates you to see anti-war coverage. both sides have a right to be heard. UNbalanced news coverage is another story.

Jizosh

03-26-2003, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by FnkyChnkyMnky

and I'm sure you are an expert in the subject matter.

and just to clarify a few things buddy... i'm a marine reservist. im a gunner in a m1a1 tank. many of my friends and a few of my family members are already over in Iraq. i was supposed to be in iraq, but the issues with turkey put that on hold for the time being.

what im trying to say is you have no right or place to lecture me about war, fighting, or the military.

damn!

i think this is the part of the movie where smokey goes "YOU GOT KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT!!!" :D

Effendi

03-26-2003, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by FnkyChnkyMnky

and I'm sure you are an expert in the subject matter.

Actually I am!!
I have been there and done that while you were still in diapers, and where are you Now that American lives are at risk...typing on a keyboard..what a fucking pussy!!

and just to clarify a few things buddy... i'm a marine reservist.

Hmm all the fighting men I know are at war, where are you?
I guess you are a RESERVIST in name only, maybe we don't need the reserves yet....

im a gunner in a m1a1 tank.

More like a typer on a PC.....

many of my friends and a few of my family members are already over in Iraq. i was supposed to be in iraq, but the issues with turkey put that on hold for the time being.

SO because Turkey choose not to support this Invasion, they left you at home? I understand know, it makes perfect sense....

Or did you mean the turkey in your oven?

what im trying to say is you have no right or place to lecture me about war, fighting, or the military.
Actually I do!!
I have EVERY right and the BEST place to lecture you on something that you have never done and that will put your life at risk.
I have been in WAR...
I have fought many battles for many years!!
And I was Active duty REGULAR ARMY for a dozen years, not a weekend wannabe warrior.

SO yea, you don't have to listen cause you know whats going on, but I do have EVERY right to state my piece, and you WILL hear it!!

Scott!!

ZupanGOD

03-26-2003, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by 186k\sec
it is not justified

in your opinion.

Effendi

03-26-2003, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Mike S

Yup Scott .. when we Americans decide Military action is necessary we call on the professionals that choose to do that work to do it for us.
Amazing concept isnt it.
MS

So basiclly mike, you have decided that YOU have the power to decide the life and death of others. Now that is not such an amazing concept...all talk and no show...really pathetic!!

Put your life where your mouth is and I will have some respect for you, until then your just another armchair quarterback who has never stepped foot in a football stadium but knows alot about the game because you watch Fox!!

Scott!!

Carley

03-26-2003, 12:54 PM

what i don't get, mnky, is why a)you've chosen FOX news as your unbiased news source and b) why it infuriates you to see anti-war coverage. both sides have a right to be heard. UNbalanced news coverage is another story.

Originally posted by James

then again, the liberal media constantly pushes "anti-war" crap in our face. it can go both ways.

it personaly infuriates me every time i see anti-war coverage or biased news coverage. ]its a rare thing to see anything in the news about anything pro-troops. i've fallen in love with Fox News.

Seems explanatory... what am I missing?

Actually I am!!
I have been there and done that while you were still in diapers, and where are you Now that American lives are at risk...typing on a keyboard..what a fucking pussy!!

Scott, chill the fuck out. Last time I checked reservists didn't have a say whether they stay or go. He is following his orders just as anyone else... there are what ~ FAR over 40,000 reservists in Iraq right now? Do you think they had a say to stay or go? (No.) There is absolutely no need to be so fucking disrespectful ;)

and just to clarify a few things buddy... i'm a marine reservist. im a gunner in a m1a1 tank. many of my friends and a few of my family members are already over in Iraq. i was supposed to be in iraq, but the issues with turkey put that on hold for the time being.

We were thinking about you just the other night!!! You need to come see Steve!!!!!!! :D

Effendi

03-26-2003, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Carley

Scott, chill the fuck out. Do you think they had a say to stay or go? (No.)

No, you are right, my anger is clearly mis-directed my bad!!

There is absolutely no need to be so fucking disrespectful ;)

You're right, I apologize for my disrespectfull comments towards you. Others that have tread the same ground before you have made me unusually hard and callouse towards the situation in general.

time for me to step off a minute!!

Scott!!

kristinachilds

03-26-2003, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Carley
Seems explanatory... what am I missing? i can understand being upset at having one side being shoved in your face and the other ignored. if he's mad that it's there in the first place it's different. i can also understand liking fox to get some love from the other side of the news, but bias in the other direction is still biased.

ZupanGOD

03-26-2003, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by kristinachilds
i can understand being upset at having one side being shoved in your face and the other ignored. if he's mad that it's there in the first place it's different. i can also understand liking fox to get some love from the other side of the news, but bias in the other direction is still biased.

Yeah I find people's perception of bias also interesting.. Biased to many people here on the board is that if the side they disagree with gets heard at all it's biased, while my idea of bias is when only one side gets heard. I'm for hearing both sides, and others are not so I guess it's all a personal perception.

[shrugs]

-Jason

186k\sec

03-26-2003, 02:13 PM

in your opinion.

no - in yours - dumbfuck.

kristinachilds

03-26-2003, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by kristinachilds
i don't get, mnky, is why a)you've chosen FOX news as your unbiased news source and b) why it infuriates you to see anti-war coverage. both sides have a right to be heard. UNbalanced news coverage is another story. HEY TECHNOWLEDGY!!
okay, i get it. i see how this reply could be seen as me taking it out of context. i'll be less abstract with my wordage, k?

truce?

Mike S

03-26-2003, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Effendi

So basiclly mike, you have decided that YOU have the power to decide the life and death of others. Now that is not such an amazing concept...all talk and no show...really pathetic!!

Put your life where your mouth is and I will have some respect for you, until then your just another armchair quarterback who has never stepped foot in a football stadium but knows alot about the game because you watch Fox!!

Scott!!

First off Scott you really have no idea as to what I may or may not have done in life. But.. spew away..

No Scott lets do this again s-l-o-w-l-y for you. the rest of the class gets it but we don't want you to feel left out. Mmmk?

Here we go.. put your thinking cap on now Scotty.

So .. We the people - who are also the government- decide implement policy that the majority find acceptable.. they .. our fellow citizens who choose to serve... are the instrument by which we(and they).. the government.. implement that policy.

Be it war or peace.

In this case .. Scotty.. life or death was a choice made by a man living in Baghdad.

MS

ZupanGOD

03-26-2003, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by 186k\sec

no - in yours - dumbfuck.

haha.. untill you proove otherwise we all still consider you the dumb fuck. We all know your type, you never can back up your shit with intelligent debate so you call people dumb fucks, how intelligent and witty of you 186.

:p

Mike S

03-26-2003, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Effendi

Actually I am!!
I have been there and done that while you were still in diapers, and where are you Now that American lives are at risk...typing on a keyboard..what a fucking pussy!!

Hmm all the fighting men I know are at war, where are you?
I guess you are a RESERVIST in name only, maybe we don't need the reserves yet....

More like a typer on a PC.....

SO because Turkey choose not to support this Invasion, they left you at home? I understand know, it makes perfect sense....

Or did you mean the turkey in your oven?

Actually I do!!
I have EVERY right and the BEST place to lecture you on something that you have never done and that will put your life at risk.
I have been in WAR...
I have fought many battles for many years!!
And I was Active duty REGULAR ARMY for a dozen years, not a weekend wannabe warrior.

SO yea, you don't have to listen cause you know whats going on, but I do have EVERY right to state my piece, and you WILL hear it!!

Scott!!

OK Scott you asked for it..

Why don't you tell the class why you - Mr. "I've been in war and served with distinction with a record Reagan admired" - aren't currently part of the reserves and applying your extensive expertise to assisting your fellow soldier and bringing this war to a swift and successful conclusion versus sitting on your six stateside insulting an active reservist.

By the way Mnky thanks for doing what you do.. and excuse Scott. He tends to "blow up" when he gets upset.

MS

FnkyChnkyMnky

03-26-2003, 10:33 PM

what i don't get, mnky, is why a)you've chosen FOX news as your unbiased news source and b) why it infuriates you to see anti-war coverage. both sides have a right to be heard. UNbalanced news coverage is another story.

I'll go ahead and clarify. I do not agree with the anti-war movement. It upsets me. But you are right, it deserves to be heard. I just dislike being shown nothing but sensationalized anti-war coverage. I just read that MTV will not show any video/news coverage of the war/troops/fighting/etc. That bothers me, cuz they are spoon-feeding anti-war sentiment to millions of kids around the world. Nevertheless, as much as I dislike it, I want to hear people’s opinions. Even though I don’t agree with it, I need to keep updated on both views of the war. But for the most part, the media is very liberal and biased. I feel Fox does an excellent job staying balanced and fair. I hope that clears it up.

Hey Mike S, Thank you, sir! :) Do you have those pic online from Bellevue?

Carley!! Man, it's been a long time!? Give Steve a big fat kiss for me and tell The Tony "WHATUP!"

Effendi: Whoa! Like Carley said, no need for disrespect. Your personal attacks are unnecessary.

186k\sec

03-27-2003, 07:36 AM

untill you proove otherwise we all still consider you the dumb fuck. We all know your type, you never can back up your shit with intelligent debate so you call people dumb fucks, how intelligent and witty of you 186.
"we all"? did you take vote Zup?- why dont you? Mr. "prove-it" boy
"proove otherwise?" I dont have to 'prove' didly to you, these are my opinions, they dont require proof. . . anyone without braindamage knows this very well.
"intelligent debate" - ive had plenty of intelligent debate here, but with You - its proven futile, as you have made it clear that you have a personal vendetta with me, because I question much of what you post and because of my anti-war position,. . . you continually attack me, and others with your belligerent put-downs & character bashing, therefore, I see no reason to show any respect to you in return. If you'd like me to refrain from the flaming, try doing so yourself,

choice is yours.
continue to stalk, & recieve more of the 'shock & awe' statements.
or ignore me.. . ill do likewise.

ZupanGOD

03-27-2003, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by 186k\sec

"we all"? did you take vote Zup?- why dont you? Mr. "prove-it" boy
"proove otherwise?" I dont have to 'prove' didly to you, these are my opinions, they dont require proof. . . anyone without braindamage knows this very well.
"intelligent debate" - ive had plenty of intelligent debate here, but with You - its proven futile, as you have made it clear that you have a personal vendetta with me, because I question much of what you post and because of my anti-war position,. . . you continually attack me, and others with your belligerent put-downs & character bashing, therefore, I see no reason to show any respect to you in return. If you'd like me to refrain from the flaming, try doing so yourself,

choice is yours.
continue to stalk, & recieve more of the 'shock & awe' statements.
or ignore me.. . ill do likewise.

Hold up bro, I've only defended myself from your insults and even at that I still don't have anything against you. You will get plenty of respect from me if you drop the arogant stuck up responses, plain and simple that's just the way I am.

Peace \\//

186k\sec

03-27-2003, 08:33 AM

very well then..
onward..

kristinachilds

03-27-2003, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by FnkyChnkyMnky
I'll go ahead and clarify. I do not agree with the anti-war movement. It upsets me. But you are right, it deserves to be heard. I just dislike being shown nothing but sensationalized anti-war coverage. I just read that MTV will not show any video/news coverage of the war/troops/fighting/etc. That bothers me, cuz they are spoon-feeding anti-war sentiment to millions of kids around the world. Nevertheless, as much as I dislike it, I want to hear people’s opinions. Even though I don’t agree with it, I need to keep updated on both views of the war. But for the most part, the media is very liberal and biased. I feel Fox does an excellent job staying balanced and fair. I hope that clears it up.it most certainly does

*curtsey*

i fully understand your frustration of biased coverage. that's one of the many reasons MTV is worthless. they do harm to abercrombie babies everwhere. how are kids ever going to grow up and become a working part of society if they get their news from Mtv? change the channel already.