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Mike S
03-26-2003, 11:20 AM
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030326-47517004.htm

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/waroniraq/articles/3994516?version=1

Cool stuff.

MS

186k\sec
03-26-2003, 12:14 PM
yeah, ya gotta love the dolphins..

ive always said that.. . . . . . (im not so sure about 'drafting' them though);)

ZupanGOD
03-26-2003, 01:06 PM
oohh great! Wacko left wing animal rights groups are going to start complaining!

Ohh shit they already are!

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,6119,2-10-1460_1338346,00.html

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPentagon.asp?Page=%5CPentagon%5Carchive%5C2003 03%5CPEN20030326a.html

TeknoAXE
03-26-2003, 01:22 PM
Dolphins and Whales are two billion times more advanced in Sonar than we are today. It's just ridiculous. Alot of scientists believe that humpbacks can communicate across thousands of miles of water and can map the ocean floor for reference. Kudos to our loving dolphins, the patriotic sea mammals :).

AXE

186k\sec
03-26-2003, 01:32 PM
what makes them patriotic?

do you really think they understand the conflict going on in the middle east>? & somehow have pledged their allegence with us because we caught them off the shores of Hawaii??
:confused: :rolleyes:

TeknoAXE
03-26-2003, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by 186k\sec
what makes them patriotic?

do you really think they understand the conflict going on in the middle east>? & somehow have pledged their allegence with us because we caught them off the shores of Hawaii??
:confused: :rolleyes:

It was joke. But those mammals are helping shipping lanes to be cleared so humanitarian efforts can reach Iraq. The actions are pretty cool :).

AXE

186k\sec
03-26-2003, 02:01 PM
RABAT, D.C., Morocco, March 24 (UPI) -- A Moroccan publication accused the government Monday of providing unusual assistance to U.S. troops fighting in Iraq by offering them 2,000 monkeys trained in detonating land mines.

The weekly al-Usbu' al-Siyassi reported that Morocco offered the U.S. forces a large number of monkeys, some from Morocco's Atlas Mountains and others imported, to use them for detonating land mines planted by the Iraqis.

The publication quoted a highly-informed source as saying, "that is not a scientific illusion but a well-known military tactic."
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that is simply fuct.. may as well use retarted children too.

TeknoAXE
03-26-2003, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by 186k\sec
RABAT, D.C., Morocco, March 24 (UPI) -- A Moroccan publication accused the government Monday of providing unusual assistance to U.S. troops fighting in Iraq by offering them 2,000 monkeys trained in detonating land mines.

The weekly al-Usbu' al-Siyassi reported that Morocco offered the U.S. forces a large number of monkeys, some from Morocco's Atlas Mountains and others imported, to use them for detonating land mines planted by the Iraqis.

The publication quoted a highly-informed source as saying, "that is not a scientific illusion but a well-known military tactic."
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that is simply fuct.. may as well use retarted children too.

I prefer human life over monkey life.

AXE

Mike S
03-26-2003, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by 186k\sec
what makes them patriotic?

do you really think they understand the conflict going on in the middle east>? & somehow have pledged their allegence with us because we caught them off the shores of Hawaii??
:confused: :rolleyes:

Dude trust me .. they're good ol Patriotic, American, Republican dolphins. Ask any one of em what they think about you spaghetti spined liberals and ALL of em will say the same thing...

"Pffffffffffffffffffffffffft."


On a serious note though.. yeah I imagine the dolphins might have a better understanding of what's going on over there than some of you anti - bush/war types... but I'm not sure if that has to do with their great intelligence or the lack of on the part of the "anti" crowd.
MS

Boyd Main
03-26-2003, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Buttrock_Beethoven


I prefer human life over monkey life.

AXE
Speciesist. :mad:

ZupanGOD
03-26-2003, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by Boyd Main

Speciesist. :mad:

haha

TeknoAXE
03-26-2003, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Boyd Main

Speciesist. :mad:

*Falls on floor laughing!*

AXE

Mirko
03-26-2003, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by Buttrock_Beethoven

I prefer human life over monkey life.

Buttrock, I suspect you'd have a fundamentally different attitude if you were a monkey.

TeknoAXE
03-26-2003, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Mirko

Buttrock, I suspect you'd have a fundamentally different attitude if you were a monkey.

Yes, and that attitude would say "give me banana!" and "chase me!".

AXE

DJ Rawkus
03-26-2003, 09:00 PM
Well, i guess i can cross PETA off the list of people supporting this war. Good call on AXE, Boyd!

kristinachilds
03-27-2003, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by Buttrock_Beethoven
I prefer human life over monkey life. call me a girl, but isn't there a way to detonate land mines using inanimate objects? life is life.

Mirko
03-27-2003, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by Buttrock_Beethoven

Yes, and that attitude would say "give me banana!" and "chase me!".

Until your little monkey brain goes BOOM! on a mine.

TeknoAXE
03-27-2003, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by kristinachilds
call me a girl, but isn't there a way to detonate land mines using inadament* objects? life is life.

*how the hell is that spelled? i'm retarded.

Call me crazy, but I think you're right. The process involves putting something akin to an armored version of a bulldozer scoop on the front of tanks in order to clear the mines. The contrast of the first Persian Gulf war to now is that we knew the general region where the mines were placed in 1991. We don't exactly know where they are now.

But monkeys have pretty good eyesight and can be trained to recognize objects such as mines and eventually set it of--THOOOOOM!!!!--.....

Letting us know there are mines around.

AXE

Mike S
03-27-2003, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by kristinachilds
call me a girl, but isn't there a way to detonate land mines using inadament* objects? life is life.

*how the hell is that spelled? i'm retarded.

Yeah there is.. we take radical leftists and train them to look for mines and equate mines to taxpayer money (making them run towards the mines of course) and throw them in mine fields and wait for them to "clear" the mines. Its a triple positive!! We don't kill any cute lil monkeys & we have some great material for the Darwin awards PLUS by depopulating "thought free zones" like capital hill we help bring the rent down!!

heh heh heh.
;)

MS

kristinachilds
03-27-2003, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Mike S
Yeah there is.. we take radical leftists and peta members and throw them in mine fields and wait for them to "clear" the mines. Its a triple positive!! We don't kill any cute lil monkeys & we have some great material for the Darwin awards PLUS by depopulating "thought free zones" like capital hill we help bring the rent down!!

heh heh heh.
;)

MS mike, sometimes i don't know whether to laugh or smack you upside the head. ;)

Mike S
03-27-2003, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by kristinachilds
mike, sometimes i don't know whether to laugh or smack you upside the head. ;)

aww ya caught me when I was changing it.... I took out peta members because after careful consideration I decided I rather like them around making asses out of themselves. It gives me something more to laugh at.

:D

MS

DJ Rawkus
03-27-2003, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by kristinachilds
mike, sometimes i don't know whether to laugh or smack you upside the head. ;) You can always do both simaltaneously! We "leftists" do it all the time here on the board when Mike verbally steps on his own foot. heh heh heh ;)

ZupanGOD
03-27-2003, 09:11 PM
Anger over donkey bomb attack

Animal rights campaigners have complained to Yasser Arafat after a donkey was blown up in a bomb attack in the West Bank.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta) has sent a letter to the Palestinian leader to protest at last month's blast near Jerusalem.

No humans were killed when the donkey was strapped with explosives and detonated, but the attack narrowly missed an Israeli bus carrying soldiers.

"We have received many calls and letters from people shocked at the bombing," Peta president Ingrid Newkirk wrote.

"If you have the opportunity, will you please add to your burdens my request that you appeal to all those who listen to you to leave the animals out of this conflict?"

Ms Newkirk says she has not asked Mr Arafat to try to stop suicide bombings that kill people.

"It's not my business to inject myself into human wars," she told the Washington Post.

She adopted a polite tone in the letter because the group always try to "ask nicely" the first time, a Peta spokesman says.

A spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington said: "When you have a regime that has no respect for human life, can you really expect them to respect animal life?"

TeknoAXE
03-29-2003, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Boyd Main

Speciesist. :mad:

Thank you for inspiring my latest song ;).

http://artists.iuma.com/site-bin/mp3gen/66334/IUMA/Bands/TeknoAXE/audio/TeknoAXE_-_Speciecist.mp3

AXE

Mike S
03-29-2003, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by Buttrock_Beethoven


Thank you for inspiring my latest song ;).

http://artists.iuma.com/site-bin/mp3gen/66334/IUMA/Bands/TeknoAXE/audio/TeknoAXE_-_Speciecist.mp3

AXE

Wooohoooo Busts out the mullet wig, Rocks out!!!!


MS

TeknoAXE
03-29-2003, 01:13 PM
Haha!

AXE

Ishkur
03-31-2003, 08:11 AM
Did you hear what happened to it?

The dolphin went AWOL, and they declared it missing......and then it showed up two days later in the same place they released it. hehe....it's always in the last palce you look (cue george carlin quote: well of course it is. Why would you keep looking for it after you've found it?)

Seriously though, I think these things are funny. Just this morning I opened a can of tuna fish and found some shredded military hardware....I was like: whoa.

But how smart are these things really? How can we tell if they're really deactivating mines n such...or maybe just swimming around and making home videos with its fin-mounted cam? Well, I guess we'll know if our ships blow up or something. We're just a short hop away from sharks with frikken' laser beams technology. And that will be cool.

I think it's all just for show, and the military doesn't expect dolphins to help the US win the war. I personally believe they're really being used to fight Iraqi trained giant squids. Tentacles of mass destruction.

Effendi
04-04-2003, 09:00 AM
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News that Takoma, the Navy's mine-detecting dolphin, has gone AWOL while on duty in the Persian Gulf, sets off a host of thoughts. First of all, do we know that Takoma is really AWOL, or is this just another example of the Pentagon's trying to hide war casualties from the

American public by classifying slain troops as missing or AWOL. It would not just be tragic if one of the U.S. military's sea mammal soldiers was

killed in action; it would surely raise a storm of protest from a group far more powerful than the peace movement: the animal rights crowd. Both Americans and Brits have always been much more troubled by cruelty to animals than to humans, and it's a certainty that this is a group Allied Forces has no desire to arouse.

The peace movement can be safely ignored by Washington, at least for a time, but a fired-up animal rights movement could bring down the government in no time. But while the Pentagon may well be fudging its human casualty figures, there is reason to suspect that Takoma is safe. Dolphins, after all, are known to have brains that are larger than we humans are possessed of. And while they are known to be capable of extreme brutality, even towards others of their own species, on an individual basis, there is no indication that dolphins engage in humanity's uniquely barbaric practice of war.

It's possible then, that once he or she realized that her efforts were not a game anymore but were part of a campaign designed to enable one group of humans to kill large numbers of other humans, Takoma decided to split the oil-befouled waters of the Persian Gulf for the more tranquil and dolphin-friendly Indian Ocean.

One imagines that the Pentagon is now contemplating having to train a group of dolphin MPs (or perhaps they're working on sharks for this job), to keep the remaining dolphin mine-sweeping squad in line. If the military turns to coercion though, it will inevitably produce a counter-reaction in the dolphin community: militant dolphin pacifism--a movement that could see peace-minded dolphins luring Pentagon-trained dolphins away from their assignments and back to the freedom of the open sea.

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff04032003.html


Even the Cetaceans think this war sucks!!

Scott!!

Mike S
04-04-2003, 03:22 PM
Scott what does this say about your "Cetaceans think this war sucks" theory!!

Listeining to the news on my 'puter and whaddaya know.. private flipper came back! Seems he needed a litle R&R. as with any good US serviceman... he prolly came across a flipperette and HAd to keep the US end up. Maybe wanted to find out how talented her blow hole was.

Anyway Scott - private flipper is back in action. He must be one of those conservative cetaceans.
MS

TeknoAXE
04-04-2003, 03:24 PM
It's pretty sad when we start using dolphins for political voice, isn't it effendi?

AXE

Mike S
04-04-2003, 04:47 PM
Dont we wish a dolphin was Scotts political voice.. it might actually be reasonalbe.

Plus I doubt that Dolphins hate Jews.

MS

Effendi
04-04-2003, 05:05 PM
,
First of all Buttrock, I didn't start this thread...

2nd off mikey, give the jew thing a rest, you are so tired and weak in your arguments, that you keep resorting to the "Scott hates jews" thing.

I don't hate jews, I have a number of jewish friends.

I think zionism is wrong and it is being used to commit genocide against the Palestinians.

But every time you and the nerd crew...(butthead, ss, and bs...er i mean mike s) have no legitimate argument you resort back to the jew thing, as though any one gives a fuck.

Obviously there is some part of your warped minds that believe if you bring it up just One more time, maybe someone that listens to the common sense I post will change their mind and become a God fearing republican just because mike says that Scott hates jews......lol

All three of you are tired in your arguments, and inable to step up to me at any time or point, either individually or all three together.

I admit that I am an Arrogant fuck, I need to learn more humility, but you idiots keep coming to a gun fight with rubber bands. I keep sitting you each down one by one and your too stupid to even realize it.

In case you hadn't noticed, NO-One is impressed with your continued re-hashing of the whole jew thing, Perhapes I should be more embarrassed by the constant dredging of comments made some time back in the heat of battle, but even in anger there lie the shreds of truth, and I I grin inside each time SS re-posts that comment I made two years ago that get's his goat.

I think you guys should re-cruit a couple more people on your side to make it a fair fight, up until now you just look stupid. Funny thing is that I'm really not that smart, you guys are just that stupid....lol

Scott!!

Mike S
04-04-2003, 05:16 PM
Oh no Scott its quite a valid thing to bring up over and over and over again.
Everytime you try and portray yourself as some sort of reasoned, intellectual person I'm obligated to post something along the lines of "but this person rejoices at the death of Jews" or "this person thinks its all a Zionist conspiracy" or any number of things along those lines. It goes to credibility Scott. and when it comes to your moralizing and talking about being concerned for the lives of the innocent - You have none.

Its not humility you need to learn Scott.. its humanity.

As far as people being impressed or not impressed Scotty.. I could really care less. If I was concerned about being "popular" with everybody I wouldnt speak my mind would I.

MS.

Effendi
04-04-2003, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Mike S
Oh no Scott its quite a valid thing to bring up over and over and over again.

Despite the fact there is no truth to it?

I do understand your logic and thinking, if you tell something to someone enough times, they begin to believe it.

Here is what makes your argument so weak mike, I have no fear, in fact I am extremely proud to be very forthright in everything I believe, I always have been.

If I really hated AnyOne, I would not hesitate to proclaim it!!

Everytime you try and portray yourself as some sort of reasoned, intellectual person I'm obligated to post something along the lines of "but this person rejoices at the death of Jews"

But that is not true, and repeating a lie 50 times does not make it true.
I have never rejoiced in the death of anyone.

You and your crew have told each other so many times that Scott hates jews, that you even believe it yourself.

You are SO dense mike, that when other folks of jewish decent on this very board, like BungleBliss tell you that we are friends, the fact seems to escape you because you are so wrapped up in believing your own spin.

"this person thinks its all a Zionist conspiracy" or any number of things along those lines.

I'm not going to rehash the same old story with you anymore mike, the FACT remains that there are people in this world that pull certain strings, and denying this fact does not change it.

It goes to credibility Scott. and when it comes to your moralizing and talking about being concerned for the lives of the innocent - You have none.

Your words are like hot air, they rise to no avail.....
You say I have no compunction for the lives of innocents, yet I am the one against unilateral military action.
I was the one who screamed the loudest at the unnecessary killing of Afghany civilians in our war on Terror.
You said it was necessary to Kill some of them to achieve our goals..

I was the one who constantly screams the loudest about the crimes of murder carried out daily on the Gaza and west bank. You are the one that says the israelis are "defending themselves" by demolishing homes with people still in them.

I was the one who got very upset at the killing of an American protestor in the Gaza. You said she deserved what she got.

I am the one aligned with the world against bush's "shock and awe", You are the one that keeps saying that we have to kill some to save others.

I am the one that believes that there is A way to deal with things before unleashing MOAB's. You are the one that just wants to Obliterate everything so we can re-build it.

In EVERYTHING that I stand up for mike, I am the one against the killing, and you always support it for one reason or another, and then you have the Gall to write that I am the one that has no respect for human life?

No-one believes your spinning of lies mike, except the minions who join you in your sick and twisted world. Everyone see's right through you mike, I have people tell me all the time that they are grateful that I put your ass in check. Now you want to twist things around with your comment that I have no regards for human life?

Its not humility you need to learn Scott.. its humanity.

Lol...right mike..
I'm the wacko liberal lefty that needs to learn about humanity....lol

As far as people being impressed or not impressed Scotty.. I could really care less.

Apparently that is also a lie mike, because you stared this post by saying it was important to continully expose my "Prejudice" (which you try to do) but then you end the post by saying you could care less. Seems to me that you care alot!!

If I was concerned about being "popular" with everybody I wouldnt speak my mind would I.
MS.
That's just it mike, you don't speak your mind, you speak what is fed into you by FOX and the administration.

As far as Popluarity goes mike, feel good in the knowledge that you are as popular as your president. Now FOX would have you believe that to be a high number, let's just see at the next election.

People are not as dumb as you constantly make them out to be mike, they see right through you. You can't control others by constantly telling them the same thing.

I will state one last time for the record (because I do care) that I have no problem with people of the jewish race, although zionist have every blast coming to them for the daily murder they committ and for their illegal occupation of the land of Palestine. He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword, and it's been that way for thousands of years. Maybe it will be different for israel and America since God is on their side.

jews = good
zionism = evil

Scott!!