Extremist anti warriar thinking..

[Mike S]

Check this out..

Some instight into extremist thinking.. in their own words.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6942

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/01/1561019.php

And you wonder why the left continues to be marginalized.... because it allows these freaks to be their voice.

MS

[Mike S]

Not war related but gives you a look into the thinking of a mad man and how close that thinking is to some anti war extremists.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$1UVYT53A3HRH5QFIQMGCFFOAVCBQ UIV0?xml=/news/2003/03/28/wpim28.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/03/28/ixportal.html

The guys "logic" isnt that far from some of the "logic" i've seen people use on this board.. makes ya wonder.

MS

[Carley]

However, if the goal is to slow this self-interested city of rich whites down (or stop it if numbers permit), then it only makes sense to field coordinated splinter marches to: 1) make the cops have to actually WORK to protect Starbucks and Abercrombie & Fitch, 2) divide the fuzz' available forces, making it harder for them to concentrate against us, 3) stop the maximum amount of traffic, and 4) allow for mutually-supporting convergences and divergences, permitting increased safety.

Like Bush said, the time for diplomacy is over. The only thing left to do is make the cost of war as great as possible. The folks in SF did a great job of this. We need to do the same here in Seattle. I don't know how, and I won't pretend that I do. If a group wanted to step to the fore and present a viable plan for major civil disobedience, the time is now

..ok...let me ask you one thing: WHO THE FUCK WANTS A POLITICAL PARTY, CLOWN?! If I'm right, and we are, then we're light years ahead of last night.

3) If ONE GROUP OF TWENTY fucks traffic up for the white man EVERY DAY between now and the end of W's presidency, that's a lot of fat white people in SUVs pissed off (which might not serve the ultimate goal, but is fun...besides, while they're stopped others can go around and stick flyers or fake tickets under their windshields).

http://seattle.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=23824&group=webcast

[DJ Rawkus]

Carley, I'm assuming you don't agree with that?

[Carley]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
Carley, I'm assuming you don't agree with that?

Which? I don't think that the tactics I posted will gain them the public empathy required for civil disobedience to be effective in either social change or a change in governmental policy. ESPECIALLY this: 3) If ONE GROUP OF TWENTY fucks traffic up for the white man EVERY DAY between now and the end of W's presidency, that's a lot of fat white people in SUVs pissed off (which might not serve the ultimate goal, but is fun...besides, while they're stopped others can go around and stick flyers or fake tickets under their windshields).

It sickens me. Yes.

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by Carley


Which? I don't think that the tactics I posted will gain them the public empathy required for civil disobedience to be effective in either social change or a change in governmental policy. ESPECIALLY this:

It sickens me. Yes. BAHAHAHAHAH!!! public empathy. Wait ..wait...*sniff* BAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh that's funny. How rich is that! LMAO!! People who do the the kinda stuff they posted couldn't care less about public empathy. This is class warfare, not a fuckin' beauty pageant or Jerry Lewis Telethon. Remember that next time someone shuts downtown Seattle and keeps you from something OH SO IMPORTANT while literal hell is breaking out in other countries we are occupying. Public empathy? gimme a break... We're marchin on regardless of what you think of our tactics. We work outside the system and don't play by their rules. I understand not everyone is down with that kind of activism so hey, if you'd like to head up a bureacratic survey poll ...lol be my guest!

oh yeah, and why shouldn't protesting be fun?! Is that some kind or cardinal rule now?! "be somber while you protest". I think it's a great way to have a critical experience turn really boring. Marching en masse might be a wonderful thing if you have kids and don't want them to get gassed, but some of us aren't in that arena and prefer to make a huge spectacle of the popo and have a grand ol' time doing it. It's time to Reclaim the Streets.. have a party! Not a funeral procession.

[LordWoon]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
oh yeah, and why shouldn't protesting be fun?! Is that some kind or cardinal rule now?! "be somber while you protest". I think it's a great way to have a critical experience turn really boring. Marching en masse might be a wonderful thing if you have kids and don't want them to get gassed, but some of us aren't in that arena and prefer to make a huge spectacle of the popo and have a grand ol' time doing it. It's time to Reclaim the Streets.. have a party! Not a funeral procession.

Gotta love anarchists. And who is making this a class war, again? And by the sounds of it, someone is trying to make it a race war, too.

That's all right, though, because I throw my vote in for making you "civil disobediance" protestors classified as domestic terrorists.

See ya in 5-10, if ever again.

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
BAHAHAHAHAH!!! public empathy. Wait ..wait...*sniff* BAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh that's funny. How rich is that! LMAO!! People who do the the kinda stuff they posted couldn't care less about public empathy. This is class warfare, not a fuckin' beauty pageant or Jerry Lewis Telethon. Remember that next time someone shuts downtown Seattle and keeps you from something OH SO IMPORTANT while literal hell is breaking out in other countries we are occupying. Public empathy? gimme a break... We're marchin on regardless of what you think of our tactics. We work outside the system and don't play by their rules. I understand not everyone is down with that kind of activism so hey, if you'd like to head up a bureacratic survey poll ...lol be my guest!

oh yeah, and why shouldn't protesting be fun?! Is that some kind or cardinal rule now?! "be somber while you protest". I think it's a great way to have a critical experience turn really boring. Marching en masse might be a wonderful thing if you have kids and don't want them to get gassed, but some of us aren't in that arena and prefer to make a huge spectacle of the popo and have a grand ol' time doing it. It's time to Reclaim the Streets.. have a party! Not a funeral procession.

^^?^^

** ATTENTION EVERYONE **

Am I the only one here that is getting the feeling that someone here hates their life? No wonder you’re a fucking radical Rawk! Ok, ok, ok.. Sorry for the outburst. Let's see.. You must either hate your life, the way you fit into this society, or how everyone else decides to live their life… which one is it? [lafs] You live quite a privileged life to be such a bitch about it when you live it so nice you know? I am almost convinced that you'd rather starve than participate in this free society. Fuck it! Go on a fucking hunger strike see if I care! That's one less individual we all have to worry about, most of us just want to live and have fun, go out and party, smoke weed, read, listen to tracks, have friends over, watch a few college basketball ballgames, eat fucking delicious food where a free market provides you to choose between so many different choices of foods that my mouth waters just thinking about it. Shit now you got me hungry. Oh wait, what did you have for dinner by the way? You didn’t happen starve a couple long nights before you actually got the opportunity to eat, did you? Or do you eat when your felt hungry? Did you act on that hunger and satisfy it rather quickly? Let me see if I can relate here and be a cynic person who hates how one lives their life in this country and feels that it’s so bad they want to view it with a radical philosophy.

[sarcastic tone]

Isn’t it such a bitch to always eat when you’re hungry? Man I fucking hate that shit, don’t you?

Life sucks becuase there's this bug up my ass and I hate myself and most people around me, shit the majority amound me.

Shit I could go on, but I think you get the picture..

[lafs]

Shit............ Sorry about that. Sometimes I just can’t seem to stop from these random outbursts. It might be from myself being simply shocked that some Americans hate themselves so much. Ok no I'm not. <G>

Tell you what, I’m going go have a snickers bar with a glass of milk. Hey Rawk you like snickers bars? How bout milk? Yeah I sure do, there’s nothing like a snickers bar and milk to end the night and head of to sleep after a great evening tonight. Let's see, hmm.. had a nice dinner with my girlfriend, watched a little news to find out what’s going on in the world, keep informed, you know that kind of shit and then I'll turn it off a little bit later and head off to go into this long night.. taking hits off the pipe, listening to some downtempo, hold my girl in my arms while talking together, following each other stories and reflecting on our days, never forgetting to discuss what we want to do tomorrow to pass yet another great day where we can experience all the wonderful and exciting things that life has to offer to us all. Tell her good night and head off to the fridge to grab that snickers bar (yes I put mine in the refrigerator), take out the milk and poor a decent size glass of it. Lay on the couch and just goto town on it. I always like having a sugar sweet on my taste buds when I’m high for some reason. After I attacked that snickers bar and drank down that nice tall glass of milk I usually decide that I’m gonna call it a night. I go ahead and brush my teeth, floss and rinse my mouth with Scope, I’m not to fond of Listerine it’s too strong for my tastes in a mouth wash. Do you use mouthwash Rawk? Sorry bro, I just had to ask. [lafs] Well buddy I hope you go ahead and realize that you need to talk to a fucking shrink bro. And I hope you enjoyed my little short letter I wrote for you and everyone to read here. It’s the only way I can bring myself to understand why some people are so unhappy with life, but you know I only wrote it because it’s looking like your not getting that help from those who are around you that you associate with. You see I’m a real friend, the kind that’s willing to go the extra mile when we know as their friend that they are not exactly right. You know? Well I’m gonna cut out of here, I’m getting tired, and your certainly bitchy tonight so I’ll see you tomorrow aight?

Take care,
Jason

[Justin]

Yeah, if you want to know about the heart of an argument, look for that argument's most extreme purveyors. :rolleyes:

I'm tired of refuting this groupthink nonsense, so I'll just flip to the reverse from now on.

So Mike, how are you and your KKK friends doing?

[Effendi]

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And in this corner, wearing "Ignorant"...........

[Cedwyn]

i'm sorry, but dancing to the drummers on burnside during the big protest on whatever thursday that was was FUN!!! it was actually a very festive atmosphere, for the most part. a lot of really good energy. and fascinating conversation.

i'm really glad that footage of people dancing got shown on the news; it helps the public realize that the group is predominantly peaceful and level-headed and that the fringes are just that - the fringes.

extremists of any flavor are a liability and this idea is basic common-sense knowledge. how people seem to forget this under certain circustances is beyond me.

edited to add: noticed my typo (no 'm' in circumstance), but then decided i kinda liked circustance.... : P

and you guys *do* crack me up!

[Mike S]

Originally posted by Doc Mahem
Yeah, if you want to know about the heart of an argument, look for that argument's most extreme purveyors. :rolleyes:

I'm tired of refuting this groupthink nonsense, so I'll just flip to the reverse from now on.

So Mike, how are you and your KKK friends doing?


Dude! Things are great!! Me and the Seattle chapter packed up our hoods and sheets and headed east to play T-ball against the Washington DC chapter headed by Senator/Grand Dragon Robert Byrd and made up of several other democratic Congressmen (hard to tell with their hoods on but I COULD recognize their voices) Man what a game.. Byrd even had a custom 'T' to hold the ball delivered from one of our POW camps.. Kinda got messy when you "missed" the ball tho......
:rolleyes:
GAWD... I cant believe I just wrote that.. hahahahah.. If yer gonna be a smart ass Doc I'll play along...

Anyway..

I know you're just playing with the stereo type for effect but you wouldn't believe some of the stupid things I've heard along those lines..

As to getting to the heart of an argument this threads purpose is to point out and discuss the extreme, unproductive an, I think, undemocratic thinking afflicting the anti war movement. If the entire movement were made up of people like you doc this discussion wouldn't be happening and I'll bet that the discourse leading up to the war as well as now would be a lot more productive and insightful... but you , unfortunately, are the minority when it comes to the thinking and what is heard out of that camp and people like Rawk, Sarah (bungle) and Scott are what you hear.

MS

[Mike S]

Mmmmm.. snickers in the fridge.. Mmmm .. with milk. *drools*

MS

[Mike S]

The Gaurdian (!!?) nails it..

Hey Jason.. Along the lines of what you were saying too..


Don't take my name in vain

Julie Burchill
Saturday March 29, 2003
The Guardian

Someone once said to me that "depression is just extreme vanity", and though obviously I don't think that everyone who's depressed is a wuss, I'm starting to think there's something to it.
Some people have genuinely had their brain chemicals go wrong, for whatever reason; they've got a right to be depressed. Also, I think that people who were abused, sexually or otherwise, as children must suffer despair and sorrow in their adult lives to a degree the rest of us cannot begin to comprehend; they've got a right to be depressed. But I also think that a lot of so-called depression comes from people having no perspective on their problems - vanity, if you will.

It's all about me!

Sorrow is no more depression than a stubbed toe is an amputated leg.

Depressive writers (usually women, I'm sorry to say) routinely compare their off-days to the experience of Jews during the Shoah, and for some reason no one ever stands up and points out that this obscenity - Holocaust appropriation - is just as bad as Holocaust denial. And as for those terminally sad soap opera actors who plan to exercise their new "right" to professional counselling if involved in a "traumatic" storyline - well, I'm sure our underworked, overpaid nurses and firefighters won't begrudge them it one bit. Face it, it's a dog's life having to raid the dressing-up box for a living.

I've always thought that the last place you'd see the vanity of depression in action would be on a protest march, especially one against war in a foreign country, but I do believe that many of the anti-war antics currently taking place are totally egotistical. Those who demonstrated against US aggression in Vietnam and Cuba did so because they believed that those people should have more freedom, not less. But does the most hardened peacenik really believe that Iraqis currently enjoy more liberty and delight than they would if Saddam were brought down? If so, fair enough; if not, then they are marching about one thing - themselves. That's why so many luvvies are involved; this is simply showing off on a grand scale.

I've just heard a snippet of the most disgustingly me-me-me anti-war advert by Susan Sarandon, in which she intones, "Before our kids start coming home from Iraq in body bags, and women and children start dying in Baghdad, I need to know - what did Iraq do to us?" Well, if you mean what did Saddam do to America The Beautiful, not an awful lot - but to millions of his own people, torture and murder for a start. Don't they count?

Surely this is the most self-obsessed anti-war protest ever. NOT IN MY NAME! That's the giveaway. Who gives a stuff about their wet, white, western names? See how they write them so solemnly in a list on the bottom of the letters they send to the papers. And the ones that add their brats' names are the worst - a grotesque spin on Baby On Board, except they think that this gives them extra humanity points not just on the motorway, but in the whole wide weeping, striving, yearning world. We don't know the precious names of the countless numbers Saddam has killed. We're talking about a people - lots of them parents - subjected to an endless vista of death and torture, a country in which freedom can never be won without help from outside.

Contrasting British servicemen and women with the appeasers, it is hard not to laugh. Are these two sides even the same species, let alone the same nationality? On one hand the selflessness and internationalism of the soldiers; on the other the Whites-First isolationism of the protesters. Excuse me, who are the idealists here? And is it a total coincidence that those stars most prominent in the anti-war movement are the most notoriously "difficult"and vain - Streisand, Albarn, Michael, Madonna, Sean Penn? And Robin Cook! Why might anyone believe world peace can be secured by this motley bunch?

Anti-war nuts suffer from the usual mixture of egotism and self-loathing that often characterises recreational depression - an unholy alliance of Oprahism and Meldrewism in which you think you're scum, but also that you're terribly important, too. For instance, what about the loony who offered to be crucified on live TV if George Bush promised not to invade Iraq? "Send your troops home and take me," she wrote to the White House, adding later, "I don't want to appear as some nutter." Similarly, there are the human shields - now limping homewards after being shocked to discover, bless 'em, that Saddam wanted to stick them in front of military installations as opposed to the hospitals and petting zoos that they'd fondly imagined they were going to defend.

What these supreme egotists achieve by putting themselves at the centre of every crisis is to make the Iraqi people effectively disappear. NOT IN MY NAME! is western imperialism of the sneakiest sort, putting our clean hands before the freedom of an enslaved people. But even those whose anti-war protests started in good faith now know that when Saddam's regime comes tumbling down, thousands of Iraqis will dance and sing with joy before the TV cameras, and thank our armed forces for giving them back their lives.

How embarrassing it will be for the peaceniks to have to explain to the celebrants how much better it would have been for them never to have been troubled by such joy!

[Mike S]

Defeat Troops, Professor Says
Wants 'a million Mogadishus'


http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-nyprof283195355mar28.story

You know whats amazing is you dont hear anyone on the left or in the anti war movement widely denouncing this crap.. in fact from the story it sounds like they applauded his statements.

shakes head.

MS

[Effendi]

Originally posted by Mike S

shakes head.
MS

mike is so upset and disappointed with some Americans....

they don't think the right way.......(like he does)
they don't act the right way.........(like he does)
they waste their time protesting a perfectly legal government action (that he wants)
It must be time for repatriation camps to keep these Anti-American dissedents at bay.

then we can make ALL Americans think like he does and the rest of the "American Taliban".

First they will make ALL Americans think like they do and then they will blast the rest of the world into their idea of American Dictocracy!!

That is my new word of the day that so well paints georges and mikes idea of America.

"Dictocracy"
Made in America...exported to the World..

Our way or the Highway....(You remember that highway outside of Kuwait)

the thinking would be...

It may be all crazy...
it used to be a free Demo-crazy
it then became a dictatorship
it is still crazy ran by a dic....tator
Therefore it must be a Dictocrazy"

Scott!!

[Mike S]

I'll just post what was said as a response to Scott's gibberish...

Quote:

"The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military," Nicholas De Genova, an assistant professor of anthropology and Latino studies at Columbia University, told the audience at Low Library Wednesday night. "I personally would like to see a million Mogadishus."

De Genova was referring to the Mogadishu ambush and firefight, known for its graphic image of a slain American soldier being dragged through the streets. The battle was portrayed in the film "Black Hawk Down."

This what you'd like to see Scott? You like the way this professor thinks? Is he your kind of American?

MS

Some thoughts on the statement and people who make statements like that..

http://www.salon.com/opinion/sullivan/2003/03/29/de_genova/

[Carley]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
BAHAHAHAHAH!!! public empathy. Wait ..wait...*sniff* BAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh that's funny. How rich is that! LMAO!! People who do the the kinda stuff they posted couldn't care less about public empathy. This is class warfare, not a fuckin' beauty pageant or Jerry Lewis Telethon. Remember that next time someone shuts downtown Seattle and keeps you from something OH SO IMPORTANT while literal hell is breaking out in other countries we are occupying. Public empathy? gimme a break... We're marchin on regardless of what you think of our tactics. We work outside the system and don't play by their rules. I understand not everyone is down with that kind of activism so hey, if you'd like to head up a bureacratic survey poll ...lol be my guest!
.

Nathan, I am not an idiot, nor am I ignorant of what these "groups" "think." Regardless of their (your) "feelings," they (you) aren't accomplishing anything for your "cause" but getting yourselves arrested & confirming public opinion (remember them? The rest of the world?) that you are a bunch of immature psuedointellectual clowns.

And none of you have slowed me down in the slightest.

Take care,
~Carley

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by ZupanGOD

You live quite a privileged life to be such a bitch about it when you live it so nice you know? I am almost convinced that you'd rather starve than participate in this free society. Fuck it! Go on a fucking hunger strike see if I care. Life is full of choices..unless you're poor.
http://www.azstarnet.com/~jeffoto/pollution9.html
That "free society" you so casually speak of comes with a price tag to the rest of the world. And that's only one country.

And just so you know, Gregory Edwards, a black man in the late 60's went on hunger strikes often to progress civil rights. He's one of the reasons Negros are where they are in society. He also did work with Cesar Chavez in the '68 grape boycotts. I don't take ardent activism as a light subject, so i request you do some homework before you use it in a sarcastic manner.

[Mike S]

The picture speaks a thousand words or so it's been said.. If so what does this picture say about various individuals participating (hi jacking) the "peace movement".

http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/critiques/London_Broil.asp

K ..what I really want to know is where is the outrage at the actions of these people?

Correct me if I'm wrong but a good many of the people protesting the war are also so called "progressive" minded people who are into the concept of multi-culturalism, consider themselves enlightened regarding issues of race, gender, sexuality and social issues.. etc and so on.. why don't I hear or see them getting in the faces of people who are clearly not motivated by the desire for peace and protecting the innocent like the woman pictured? Having spent some time observing a few anti war rallies I know that people like the woman in the picture are not rare at them. Yes i know the woman is pakistani and yes i used the photo for its shock effect.. but.. all of us know that her anti jew sentiments are easily found at anti war/peace rallies all over the western world. Why?

opinion on the war a side.. what the fuck is going on when people who openly espouse murdering Jews or the killing of officers in the military (to use two obvious examples) will do this and feel totally comfortable doing it around progressives and liberals? no this aint a petty jab at them I'd actually like some one to try and seriously answer that. I do disagree with just about everything that comes out of a libs mouth these days but even at that, for the most part, I know deep down -even when they are dead wrong- most libs are moral people trying to do what they thought was right. At least that's what I thought. Now I'm kind of starting to doubt it.. or something.

Its kinda ... creepy.

MS

[Effendi]

Originally posted by Mike S
If so what does this picture say about various individuals participating in the "peace movement".

It simply states that some people are enlightened enough to understand the root CAUSE of the problem.
I do not condone and have never condoned the killing of jews, and it was wrong of the editor to choose to post such a picture. What her sign SHOULD have said was "zionists" not jews.

For in zionism lies the roots of ALL the upheaval in the middle east.

K ..what I really want to know is where is the outrage at the actions of these people?

Outrage....please..
Where is the Outrage when one of our supposed Allies KILLS An American as happened last week in Gaza..
Amercians should be BURNING zionist flags for Killing Honest Patriotic Americans, but of course that wouldn't be making a statement, that would simply be Anti-Semetic right?

why don't I hear or see them getting in the faces of people who are clearly not motivated by the desire for peace and protecting the innocent like the woman pictured?

and just who might that be mike?

yes i used the photo for its shock effect..

and using it is about as valid as condeming a Hatfield for carrying a sign that reads "The MCcoys suck"

but.. all of us know that her anti jew sentiments are easily found at anti war/peace rallies all over the western world. Why?

VERY SIMPLE MIKE.....

The zionists are the Biggest perpatrators of Evil and Terror in this world right now, and everyone else in the world recognizes it. The United States is a close runner up now.

the zionists have ignored the UN for years, the US has voted against holding the zionists to task for their criminal behavior. EVERYONE knows that America is simply israel's little bitch.....

In a nutshell....

No More Zionism = World Peace!!

what the fuck is going on when people who openly espouse murdering Jews or the killing of officers in the military will do this and feel totally comfortable doing it around progressives and liberals?


Peace activists...military officers.....zionists....Americans...what's the difference huh?

You feel no compunction about openly bragging the murder of Iraqi civilians and even more importantly the political leadership of another country. Don't whine and complain when the rest of the world starts playing by the rules we write.

I'd actually like some one to try and seriously answer that.

We do....all the time...you are incapable of understanding. You only hear what you want to hear, therefore nothing can ever be explained to someone who allready knows everything.

I do disagree with just about everything that comes out of a libs mouth these days

Just as we (The rest of the world) realize that when you are speaking...you are lying!!

for the most part, I know deep down - most libs are moral people trying to do what they thought was right.

A truth your your band of liars and theives can never claim..

Its kinda ... creepy.
MS
Actually no, it's the treacherous way of the world that your party proudly lays claim to initiating.

Scott!!

[Mike S]

From everyones favorite former attourney general and the 5th column's main man, Ramsey Clark!

Ramsey Clark: Saddam Not Brutal

Appeasement movement leader and former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark defended Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein on Friday, saying that reports of his brutality were part of a U.S.-backed disinformation campaign.

Asked about an eyewitness account of the torture death of an Iraqi dissident who was put in a glass cage and eaten alive by dogs while Saddam and other top leaders watched, Clark told WLIE-NY radio's Mike Siegel, "That's the most absurd story I've heard in a long time."

"Propaganda can be pretty vicious," the appeasement activist warned before trashing the torture account a second time. "If you believe that, you're a hopeless case."

Clark did, however, acknowledge the truthfulness of reports that Saddam Hussein's son-in-law was murdered after he defected in the 1990s and was then persuaded to return, but he declined to pin the blame on the Iraqi dictator.

Instead, he blamed the execution on "people working for the [Iraqi] government, apparently."

Asked if Saddam controlled the government at the time, Clark responded, "The government is a lot of people."

The anti-war leader said that other accounts from Iraqi defectors who have described Saddam's brutality, as well as reports of terrorist training operations inside Iraq, were probably false.

"I've worked with problems of defection and informers for years and years and they're not generally reliable," Clark told WLIE. "You have to be careful about who you're talking to. I also recognize propaganda. And I hear more garbage and propaganda coming out about how evil the Iraqi people are."

He then chastised radio host Siegel for spreading accounts of Saddam's brutality. "I think you're just fantasizing with propaganda. It shows your own hatred and narrow-mindedness."

Minutes later, the former LBJ attorney general condemned U.S.-backed economic sanctions against Iraq during the 1990s as "absolute genocide."



ah yes.. Take into consideration Ramsey Clark is a favorite comrade of those fun loving Stalinists over at ANSWER as well as one of the most valued propagandists working with notinourname..and now we start to see what these organizations are all about.


MS

[ThrobbingBass]

I hung out with an Iraqi guy a while back who was pretty cool. After I got to know him a little better, he told me about some of the ill shit that happened, and yes, Saddam is a very bad man, and his sons are very possibly worse. This guy lived on the road that led to the royal palace and saw crazy shit go down for years
However, there's an awful lot of bad leaders in the world that do fucked-up shit. The fact of the matter is that the whole world voted on whether or not to "liberate" the Iraqi people, and the world voted against it.
The fact that Dubya and the rest of his administration said "fuck the U.N." has completely discredited the first and only attempt at a global governing institution.
Why the rush? Everything Saddam has, he's had for years! They're fighting with scuds from the persian gulf war. The only helicopter that was shot down was shot down by 2 farmers with Czech rifles from the 30's ! What was the rush? Why couldn't it stand further debate on the floor of the U.N.? Was Iraq going to invade the U.S.?

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by Carley


Nathan, I am not an idiot, nor am I ignorant of what these "groups" "think." Regardless of their (your) "feelings," they (you) aren't accomplishing anything for your "cause" but getting yourselves arrested & confirming public opinion (remember them? The rest of the world?) that you are a bunch of immature psuedointellectual clowns.

And none of you have slowed me down in the slightest.

Take care,
~Carley Sounds like someone needs to take the world pulse again, sweetie. The rest of the world is against this too. Unlike your public empathy cry, the rest of the world empathizes with the real POW's: the civilians in war.

[Carley]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
Sounds like someone needs to take the world pulse again, sweetie. The rest of the world is against this too. Unlike your public empathy cry, the rest of the world empathizes with the real POW's: the civilians in war.

Sweetie? Do you use that mouth when you talk to your socialist friends, hypocrite?

You still have not provided any evidence that your "civil disobedience" (aka "breaking stuff & pissing people off") has accomplished anything but get people arrested & piss off the public. What the hell does THAT accomplish for the world?

I’m still waiting on the answers. How about you mosey on over to the thread we were actually "debating" in (http://www.nwtekno.org/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52322&pagenumber=2) so I don't accidentally miss another one of your incredibly belated posts "to me."

Until then, you can fuck off ;)