Looting? What looting?

[Mike S]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32397

If this story is accurate then - as usual - the doom and gloom crowd and the media managed to turn another mole hill into a mountain all in an effort to find something to complain about regarding Iraq.

Gee - imagine that.. some lefty reporter exaggerating the facts.

typical.

MS

[Ishkur]

kinda like how the Bush Administration exaggerated that whole "weapons of mass destruction" thing?

I can never understand why you accept one side's story at face value and discredit the other side's story without wanting to investigate it when the fucking marionette is being pulled both ways, you tool.

[Mike S]

Originally posted by Ishkur
kinda like how the Bush Administration exaggerated that whole "weapons of mass destruction" thing?

I can never understand why you accept one side's story at face value and discredit the other side's story without wanting to investigate it when the fucking marionette is being pulled both ways, you tool.



Really . exaggerated? I find it amusing that the same people who were willing to give the UN months.. even years.. to find WMD are now chattering away (like you) about where are the WMD?

Tell me this Ish... Just going by UN numbers which say there are piles of chem and bio weapons and knowing that destroying these weapons isnt just a matter of throwing them away.. where are they?
Funny a smart boy like you hasnt stopped to consider any of that.

That "other side" isnt interested in investigating anything.
Obstructing is the action word there.
Why do I discredit one sides story.. because time and time and time again their proven to be lying sacks of shit. How do you know a progressive is lying? Its lips are moving.
This museum looting is just another example of "the other side" creating a story they can use to attack administration policies with. Do I think the administration is perfect? Nope. But as compared to the unloyal opposition they're saints.



cheers
MS

[Ram]

Why do I discredit one sides story.. because time and time and time again their proven to be lying sacks of shit.


Yep, the governments of the world, including this country, certainly are.

--Ram

[Mike S]

Originally posted by Ram


Yep, the governments of the world, including this country, certainly are.

--Ram

Sure and when the Governments of the world do tell the truth some leftist fruit cake just makes up a conspiracy about how that's a lie.
OR - if what is being said is contrary to progressive orthodoxy then it must be government propaganda and every properly indoctrinated progressive knows the government always lies...right? oh unless its a progressive government...right?

*gags*

What I want to know is what ever happened to the lefts embrace of classical liberalism and its intellectualism?
How did what is considered The Left get overrun by societies rejects and go from being a philosophy partially founded on hope to becoming the politics of paranoid cynicism.
The philosophy is revolting and I have nothing but absolute and total contempt for most of the people who practice it... as if ya didnt know that already.

MS

[Jizosh]

Originally posted by Mike S
Really . exaggerated? I find it amusing that the same people who were willing to give the UN months.. even years.. to find WMD are now chattering away (like you) about where are the WMD?

we weren't bombing people then.

[Ram]

Sure and when the Governments of the world do tell the truth some leftist fruit cake just makes up a conspiracy about how that's a lie.


I don't think any particular group of people have a monopoly on that. I think by its very nature, top-down government is stagnating for human progress. I've been saying that since I was five or so.


OR - if what is being said is contrary to progressive orthodoxy then it must be government propaganda and every properly indoctrinated progressive knows the government always lies...right? oh unless its a progressive government...right?


If you're asking me, I don't think there's any top-down government that's useful. At best, they don't do too much harm to the individuals.


What I want to know is what ever happened to the lefts embrace of classical liberalism and its intellectualism?
How did what is considered The Left get overrun by societies rejects and go from being a philosophy partially founded on hope to becoming the politics of paranoid cynicism.
The philosophy is revolting and I have nothing but absolute and total contempt for most of the people who practice it... as if ya didnt know that already.


No idea, sorry. BUT:

I don't have contempt for people, since I don't think people are one-dimensional entities, but I do have contempt for the notion of lumping together of different people under labels like "the left", "the right", etc. Even when I do it sometimes, I think it's a stupid thing to do.

--Ram

[Ishkur]

Mike, would you fucking listen to yourself for just a god damn second, you intolerant fascist twat?

You are doing the exact same thing (nay, worse) as the people you so passionately despise. You've been doing it for years, too. And you still haven't been able to figure it out. Before it may have been amusing, but now it's just downright sad. I'm sure by now many recurring people on here are sick to death of your shit, and new people are probably scratching their heads at your posts thinking "is this asshat seriously for real?!" .......it seems like everyone's being collectively patient, hoping that someday you will for once finally pull your head off the pages of that copy of Mein Kampf that's been stuck up your ass all these many years, and start making some sensible, constructive sense. But you never do. You just keep rehashing the same shit-flinging bigoted statements that have as much power and weight as a fart in the wind.

You have your brain locked in a cul-de-sac of pre-conceived opinions, notions, and a disgustingly archaic worldview that makes you the standard bearer for Kipling's "The White Man's Burden". An eagerness to point fingers and place blame rather than discuss ideas, issues and facts, and a stubborn, close-minded refusal to take into account any evidence that might hint that the contrary exists to your own self-imposed, self-sustained, and self-held to be self-evident knuckledragging convictions.

I think I speak for everybody here (or at least most of them) when I tell you that, until you can say something carefully thought-out and well-considered, please honest to god shut the fuck up.

[186k\sec]

heres a better written & more current article :

http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=2602E0DA-C7BE-4DE0-A2504E641D360D35

"Curator of Ancient Near East art from the British Museum, John Curtis recently returned from a trip to Iraq where he assessed the damage at the Baghdad Museum. He says 30 to 40 objects that were on view in Baghdad are known to have been stolen. Those objects include a precious bronze statue vase from about 23-50 B.C., and a heavy ancient bronze casting that must have taken several people to move.

However, Mr. Curtis says an unknown but probably large number of works were stolen from the museum's storage area, which held as many as 200,000 objects. Crucial documents, photo negatives and computer disks in 130 of the Baghdad Museum's administrative rooms were also destroyed. "The scale of the disaster? Well yes, it is a huge disaster," says Mr. Curtis".

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the bottom line: no matter how many items are missing, 43 & his chronnies failed to prevent what was guaranteed to occur.. they chose to protect the oil bldg. first, knowing Iraqi antiquities and other ministries assets werent part of the pre-determined payback.

[Mike S]

Hey Ish..

1st off if my words put your panties in a bunch then I know I'm on the right track. Especially if you're in such a twitter your idiot ass is pulling out the white mans burden and mein kampf comparisons.
Yeah right.
But like I said. If my words have fringe dwellers like you tossing that about it reaffirms my sense of direction.
Sure Ish I'm very intolerant of certain political philosophies. When we finally deep six that socialist nipple you and people like you suck on I think the world will be a much better place. Dont to like that? Too bad.


2nd- If ya don't like what I'm saying .. you always have the power to point and click somewhere else. I'm sure you can find some online echo chamber somewhere that suits your tastes..

MS

[Mike S]

Originally posted by 186k\sec
the bottom line: no matter how many items are missing, 43 & his chronnies failed to prevent what was guaranteed to occur.. they chose to protect the oil bldg. first, knowing Iraqi antiquities and other ministries assets werent part of the pre-determined payback.
You mean even if nothing is missing you'd still be bitching about the fact that the administration considered the oil ministry a critical part of the Iraqi infrastructure and chose to protect it and decided Mesopotamian water colors didn't quite cut it in that regard. Oh well.

Next week they'll be discovering that private collections of art were looted as well and I imagine someone will be whining about why didn't we have soldiers guarding those instead of the dirty ol oil ministry.

For the same reason that we did gaud the museum. None of what was contained in the museum will have anything to do with putting Iraq back on its feet.

MS

[MO]

Originally posted by Mike S

None of what was contained in the museum will have anything to do with putting Iraq back on its feet.

MS
Statements like these demonstrate an ignorant disregard for the importance of art in culture. Sure the Iraqis are free of an oppressive regime, but they've lost (actualy we all have) important pieces of middle eastern/human history. Automomy is important but so is identity....art is unparalled as perhaps the most significant means of human expressions of identity.
The looting was a big deal...ask anyone who knows anything about art...don't ask Mike S. He'll just call you a name to dodge the imporantance of this issue.

[Mike S]

Originally posted by MO

Statements like these demonstrate an ignorant disregard for the importance of art in culture. Sure the Iraqis are free of an oppressive regime, but they've lost (actualy we all have) important pieces of middle eastern/human history. Automomy is important but so is identity....art is unparalled as perhaps the most significant means of human expressions of identity.
The looting was a big deal...ask anyone who knows anything about art...don't ask Mike S. He'll just call you a name to dodge the imporantance of this issue.






Its a matter of placing assets where they are needed and most effective. In the case of the battle for Baghdad those assets were better used protecting infrastructure assets NOT cultural assets.

You don't like the way that "feels" too damn bad.

Theres not a god damn thing in that museum that will be responsible for putting that country on its feet and enabling those people to be free and self sufficient. NOTHING.
In fact I'll bet the only "outraged" people about this are the same fringe dwelling complainers that have been "outraged" about everything pertaining to Iraq. Question: who cares what they think? Answer: Nada.

I'm sure Joe Iraqi has more pressing issues on his mind than stolen ancient Persian toilet paper.

Appreciate art?
Yeah I can just see some colonel walking up to Franks and suggesting - while fighting to take Baghdad- we place our soldiers in front of the Baghdad museum to baby sit it.
We should have just round up your compadres - the human shields - and put their useless asses in front of the museum.



MS

[186k\sec]

it all *could have been* protected -

it *was* our obligation

& we FAILED..

<end of story>

[MO]

Originally posted by 186k\sec
it all *could have been* protected -

it *was* our obligation

& we FAILED..

<end of story>
this was also my point.

I think what people like Mike S. fail to consider is what Iraq needs in the long run. Art might not pertain to immediate survival, but once the people are "back on their feet" they we be missing important pieces of their history and culture in part because we didn't think/feel/decide/believe/care to protect the museum. it's a signicant loss, and I don't see why Mike S. made a thread that belittles that truth.

p.s.
Mike S.- "nada" isn't a "who," but somehow I don't think I should expect you to be versed in a second language..'cause language also has to do with culture, something you don't seem to value. maybe I'm wrong, but who cares? nadie. :p

[Mike S]

Originally posted by MO

this was also my point.

I think what people like Mike S. fail to consider is what Iraq needs in the long run. Art might not pertain to immediate survival, but once the people are "back on their feet" they we be missing important pieces of their history and culture in part because we didn't think/feel/decide/believe/care to protect the museum. it's a signicant loss, and I don't see why Mike S. made a thread that belittles that truth.

p.s.
Mike S.- "nada" isn't a "who," but somehow I don't think I should expect you to be versed in a second language..'cause language also has to do with culture, something you don't seem to value. maybe I'm wrong, but who cares? nadie. :p


Actually it wasn't to belittle the loss. it was to belittle the over the top ranting that the "sky is falling" crowd did after the thieves made off with the loot. sure it sux. but - I think it would suck more to be a marine and catch one in the stomach while babysitting what was essentially Saddams personal art collection. Fuck that and what a waste of man power.
When someone is attacking a city the last thing on their mind is "gee I wonder if Saddams collection of ancient Mesopotamian doilies is ok?"

Tell ya what - I'm sure the old colonial rulers of the middle east have tucked away in various private collections and state museums all sorts of ancient goodies taken from their old colonies in order that "the art be preserved" *snicker* If you all are so concerned about Iraq's cultural heritage why don't ya'll work on getting that stuff put back in its right full place?
Put half as much energy into networking globally and getting this done as some of you did in skipping out of work/school and protesting/laying in the middle of streets/etc and I'm sure you could do some amazing things for the Iraqis and their threatened culture. Why don't ya do something like that?
(answer- because most of ya don't really give two shits about Iraq or Iraq's cultural heritage)

Anyway.. this is just ridiculous because you and I know this has nothing to do with art and culture and everything to do with the chattering classes doing what they always do. Talkalotsaynothin.

MS

[Ishkur]

Originally posted by Mike S
Hey Ish..
1st off if my words put your panties in a bunch then I know I'm on the right track.


No, I just like the fact that I'm a much more eloquent troll than you.

Originally posted by Mike S
Especially if you're in such a twitter your idiot ass is pulling out the white mans burden and mein kampf comparisons.


Hey, man: you paint all people one brand, I'm going to paint you all one brand. I'm sure the Intolerant Asshat club you're apart of with Strom Thurmond, John Rocker, Marge Schott, Trent Lott, and the holy trinity of anti-people, delusional journalist twits Rush/O'Reilley/Coulter can all pat yourselves on the back about how you think you're making the world a better place, but that's so far out of touch the Iraqi Information Minister is laughing at you.

Mike, you're a racist, pure and simple. Because it's a universal truth that all people as neo-con as you are racists. See how easy it is? I didn't even have to do any thinking to presume that. Now I feel just like you.

Originally posted by Mike S
But like I said. If my words have fringe dwellers like you


Oh please, I'm not a fucking socialist fringe-dweller because I disagree with you, you cypher. And that's your whole problem. YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN.

The only people I know who are more annoying than you to talk to are the feminazis with the itchy trigger fingers ready to point at you with split-second timing, accompanying their battlecry: "MISOGYNIST!!"

Heh. I wonder if you do that just walking down the street. "Hey, that guy's hair is long. SOCIALIST! You there. With the dirty pants. SOCIALIST! *gasp* Those two girls are not buying stuff from The Gap. SOCIALIST!!! SOCIALIST!!! Get out of our country, liberal progressive leftist radical communist anti-freedom hippie nanny state lovers!!! Can you not see that you are DESTROYING MANKIND!?!?!??"

Originally posted by Mike S
When we finally deep six that socialist nipple you and people like you suck on


Again with the erronous appraisal of other people's convictions. When are you ever going to get it right? I'm not a socialist. My country's not socialist. I don't know anyone who is socialist. And you don't either (your own special-grade, super-duper mega short-yellow bus Mike Stevens version that no one else honours notwithstanding).

Originally posted by Mike S
2nd- If ya don't like what I'm saying .. you always have the power to point and click somewhere else.


So do you. But I'm here baiting you because I can't seriously believe anymore that you could be so impossibly wrong about so many things for so long and not have the slightest fucking clue. I mean, really. You are beyond hope now.

Now you evoke ridicule.

[Ram]

"Are there any queers in the theatre tonight?
Get 'em up against the wall. -- 'Gainst the wall!
And that one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me.
Get him up against the wall. -- 'Gainst the wall!
And that one looks Jewish, and that one's a coon.
Who let all this riffraff into the room?
There's one smoking a joint, and another with spots!
If I had my way I'd have all of ya shot."

--Pink Floyd, In the Flesh

[MO]

You said -
"Actually it wasn't to belittle the loss. it was to belittle the over the top ranting that the "sky is falling" crowd did after the thieves made off with the loot. sure it sux."

Dude, people aren't saying that it's the end of the world, rather a significant tragedy. It more than "sux."
But you belittle this fact and the importance of art, whether you realize or not, when you say
"Fuck that and what a waste of man power."

You asked-
"If you all are so concerned about Iraq's cultural heritage why don't ya'll work on getting that stuff put back in its right full place?"

I am a student of human culture and I registered for a course on Islamic art and architecture last term specifically because I feared this exact thing..that precious cultural artifacts would be lost or damaged in this war. By learning about the region, its mosques, artifacts etc., I am showing a respect and concern for their well being..which is a very active stance in my opinion.

You said -
"Put half as much energy into networking globally and getting this done as some of you did in skipping out of work/school and protesting/laying in the middle of streets/etc and I'm sure you could do some amazing things for the Iraqis and their threatened culture. Why don't ya do something like that?"
(answer- because most of ya don't really give two shits about Iraq or Iraq's cultural heritage)

Please, Mr. Mike. You really don't know shit about me so don't make assumptions. and p.s. you have shown by saying that to protect the museum would have been a waste of man power that you don't have much respect for Iraq's culture youself, or at least that you don't now shit about the value of the museum...both of which give you no room to talk.

You said-
"Anyway.. this is just ridiculous because you and I know this has nothing to do with art and culture and everything to do with the chattering classes doing what they always do. Talkalotsaynothin."

Mr. Mike, you post on this war forum I'd guess more frequently than anyone else, so how the fuck can you say that they-whomever you've grouped together this time in your mind just "talkalotsanothin"? Get a life.

edited to say:
that I admire people who can discuss their opinions respectfully in the hopes of perhaps changing someone's opposing outlook or opinion. But you Mike don't approach these discussions with any respect for different beliefs. I think you'd rather people keep their opposing views so that you'll have someone to fight with. Why wouldn't you want people to begin to see things the way you do? If you did, you'd try to win their respect or influnece their way of thinking. You repel people with your attitude, bogus assumptions and name calling. How the hell do you expect people to consider your view if they can't stand the way you treat them?

[Mike S]

Poor Ish ..

Call him a socialist and he gets all frickin worked up...

Heh..

yeah and about baiting bitch - and you are a little bitch too when it comes to the "S" word - you just lose it. Its rather fun to watch actually.

Really Ish I don't care what you are or how you vote - you reside on some isolated rock up in the northern coloni... erm British Columbia .. so the fact you vote NDP or not means nothing to me.

Before we got into the fun and games of yanking each other around you asked me something about progressives or my opinion on them.

See Ish before I just thought the so called "progressive left" were misguided.
After witnessing their actions and words during this whole Iraq war thing.. I think they're dangerous.
I guess you can say my opinion regarding the so called far left has been radicalized. So be it.

I'm not interested in compromising with so called the far left or progressives, working with them, meeting them half way or "feeling their pain".
I'm only interested in seeing them completely and absolutely politically defeated.

Anyway its been fun yanking you and your socialist tendencies around ... thanks for the laugh.

MS

[Ishkur]

I didn't vote NDP.

I ate my ballot.

well, if the last election was any indication, you've got your hegemonic wet dream.

http://www.claybennett.com/images/archivetoons/right_turn.jpg

So what are you going to do now, send all the black people back to Africa?

[Mike S]

Originally posted by Ishkur
I didn't vote NDP.

I ate my ballot.

well, if the last election was any indication, you've got your hegemonic wet dream.

http://www.claybennett.com/images/archivetoons/right_turn.jpg

So what are you going to do now, send all the black people back to Africa?



Didn't vote NDP huh.. right.. sure. Not corrupt enough for you or what?

Even though the NDP lost it seems the "progs" have taken over Vancity and you'll have state funded shooting galleries/suicide stations on every corner in east van. How nice.
I guess in the long run it cleans up the streets ..eh?


Cool cartoon - only thing missing was the road block in front of the left turn lane.

MS

[Ishkur]

yeah, there're alot of progs in Vancouver alright. Why, just the other day I saw one hopping across the road and then got squished by a car. It's not too bad, though. They keep the insect population down. But man oh man are they ever loud in the evening. Keep me awake half the night sometimes with their incessant croacking.

stupid progs.

[krafty]

What I want to know is what ever happened to the lefts embrace of classical liberalism and its intellectualism?
How did what is considered The Left get overrun by societies rejects and go from being a philosophy partially founded on hope to becoming the politics of paranoid cynicism.

wow. can you at least comprehend slightly why some of this, if true, would happen? in a society so wrought with corruption and evil that you can never be 100% sure of ANYTHING you're hearing it's not that hard to imagine that things might get a little weird. what you need to understand mike, is that there is no 'left' anymore, nor is there a 'right'. there is a 'good people' and a 'bad people', and sooner or later someone is going to aquire the power to get rid of the 'bad people'. how long do you really think your 'side' is going to retain power. how long has any empire in the history of the human race lasted? sooner or later mike, and i'd put my money on sooner, the 'good people' going to wake up and realize that people like you are really making every decision for them. and someday they will realize that they really do have the power to do something about it.

i mean, you have to understand at least a litle of this right?
for yoursake i hope so.

you are the way you are right now because you belive in your "elected" officials,
you listen to what they say without questioning.
you are the perfect american.
yours will be the first to go.

so say as much as you can about yourself and your pro-government views and, while your at it, give the names and addresses of people that share these veiws so that eventually someone might be able to track you all down.

and in the meantime, go bomb an abortion clinic.
i think your probably the type of guy who would enjoy that.

[DJ Rawkus]

I've said it before, and i'll say it again. Every american has the right to be an idiot. Mike is just capitalizing on that freedom.

[Effendi]

Originally posted by krafty

so say as much as you can about yourself and your pro-government views and, while your at it, give the names and addresses of people that share these veiws so that eventually someone might be able to track you all down.

Lol....that is hilarious that you would say that, at least three times in the last year, mike has threatend me with forwarding posts I have made on this board to people that he "Knows" in the FBI.......

Henceforth all the jokes about the mikesashcroft Re-patriation" camps. The places where we will finally be tought how to think properly....lol

mike s, you have always been a joke to me, I used to wonder how far you were going to play this right wing troll thing, but than over the last six months, you created the belief so strongly in your own mind, that you actually made yourself real...or at least a living tape recording of the same party line.

It's funny that regardless of the subject there is still only about 100 words in your vocabulary...most of which are offensive, like Nattering...bedwetters, liberal wacko's...socialist slime....Fanatics, all of the usual FOX terminology.

At first some people took you serious in your game, then a few people actually started spouting your opinons as their own. Then a few people got radical behind you in your ideas and views of Partition and seperation. Now EVERYBODY knows your an ASSHAT.

I always said that you 100% personify what I never want to be, and your same attitudes and opinions are what turned me from the "dark side" to begin with.

Sure you have managed to twist my words and thoughts from dis-agreement with American military involvement into my love for Saddam, but only someone with a sick and twisted mind like yours is actually capable of beleiving that shit.

I will say again what I have ALWAYS said and still hold true now.

NO MORE AMERICAN LIVES!!
NO MORE AMERICAN MONEY!!

I'm pleased that others are seeing you for the person you really are.

Scott!!

[Mike S]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
I've said it before, and i'll say it again. Every american has the right to be an idiot. Mike is just capitalizing on that freedom.


Hey its about time I gotta let my inner moron out Rawkus..
Hell you guys been doing it so much this past year that I kinda got lazy and just got stoopid - vicariously - through the actions of people such as yourself.

Speaking of stupid.. have ya read the "Krafty" post - the one that mentions something about my supposed "explosives" hobby?

Yeah.. - and you were saying what about me being an idiot?

Nathan I may occasionally have to deal with the Skeeter and Kleetus wing of the republican party - Entertaining and charming always I can assure you - But you my friend as well as the handful of other bright spots -who fill the otherwise lightless/lifeless void that's all that remains of The Left and its politics- are going to have to deal with / humor/ attempt to educate / nod patiently and smile - around an enormous amount of self styled - yet extremely diluted - political thinkers just like Krafty for the foreseeable future.

MS

[krafty]

Speaking of stupid.. have ya read the "Krafty" post - the one that mentions something about my supposed "explosives" hobby?


this is perfect example of how 'bad people' turn something that was never said into "fact". reread my last post mike. do i say anywhere that you have a hobby dealing with explosives? do i mention anything about WMD or bio-labs? i point out, in a way that apparently only people with their own minds can figure out, that you seem like the type of guy who would like to see abortion clinics bombed. this is a way of me saying that people who bomb abortion clinics think along the same lines as you. you are an idiot if you couldn't see that. jesus christ did you ever evolve past a 5th grade reading level? fuck man. and i apologize to those who find this type of mud slinging offensive. but people like mike do not deserve to live. you heard me right. mike deserves to be dead. i'm not saying i or anyone i know or affiliate with would ever deal out such a judgement, i'm just saying that he is completely deserving of death. 'bad people' need to be systematically tracked down and destroyed. not by me. nor anyone i know, but someone would have all that is right on their side if they were to do such a thing. i mean, how could any judge possibly convict someone for cleaning up the neiborhood?

do you think this bickering will change anything? at all? ever?? no, mike, if you want to keep your redundant, shameless way of life you will need to stop babbling on the internet and get out in the street. the time for talk is almost over.

now watch as mike turns this into a death threat against him directly from me. watch how he declares me a terrorist threat. oh, he'll probably rip on my grammer/spelling too.

i hope you and and the rest of the 'bad people' die mike. i know it seems harsh to a lot of people, but think of how easy it would be to make everyone happy in a world where all the stupid people are dead.

with a population only a fraction of the size it is now it would be very easy to create a society that actually benifits mankind. krafty's orange cult.

[HexRei]

Originally posted by krafty


this is perfect example of how 'bad people' turn something that was never said into "fact". reread my last post mike. do i say anywhere that you have a hobby dealing with explosives? do i mention anything about WMD or bio-labs? i point out, in a way that apparently only people with their own minds can figure out, that you seem like the type of guy who would like to see abortion clinics bombed. this is a way of me saying that people who bomb abortion clinics think along the same lines as you. you are an idiot if you couldn't see that. jesus christ did you ever evolve past a 5th grade reading level? fuck man. and i apologize to those who find this type of mud slinging offensive. but people like mike do not deserve to live. you heard me right. mike deserves to be dead. i'm not saying i or anyone i know or affiliate with would ever deal out such a judgement, i'm just saying that he is completely deserving of death. 'bad people' need to be systematically tracked down and destroyed. not by me. nor anyone i know, but someone would have all that is right on their side if they were to do such a thing. i mean, how could any judge possibly convict someone for cleaning up the neiborhood?

do you think this bickering will change anything? at all? ever?? no, mike, if you want to keep your redundant, shameless way of life you will need to stop babbling on the internet and get out in the street. the time for talk is almost over.

now watch as mike turns this into a death threat against him directly from me. watch how he declares me a terrorist threat. oh, he'll probably rip on my grammer/spelling too.

i hope you and and the rest of the 'bad people' die mike. i know it seems harsh to a lot of people, but think of how easy it would be to make everyone happy in a world where all the stupid people are dead.

with a population only a fraction of the size it is now it would be very easy to create a society that actually benifits mankind. krafty's orange cult.

Well hey, if you're gonna be a balls-to-the-wall, death-wishing, cult-forming sociopath, why go to any great lengths to hide it, eh?

[krafty]

Well hey, if you're gonna be a balls-to-the-wall, death-wishing, cult-forming sociopath, why go to any great lengths to hide it, eh?

that has become my new bio, thank you. but there is no point in hiding anything anymore, people need to know that people like me exist. i'm done hiding. the only reason that christianity isn't considered a cult anymore (notice i say 'anymore) is because the majority of "elected" officials "belive" in it. any so called religion started out as a cult and eventually gained enough attention to be deemed worthy of not being taxed. it's all a fucking joke. this entire human society we live in is so filled with hypocrisy, corruption, and lies that there really is no point in trying to make things better. it all needs to be redone. do over, start again from scratch. at least i know that if someone had the balls to do the things i talk about the world really would become a better place. a place where stupidity is rewarded by death, a place where there are no 3 strike laws or age limits or felony/misdemeanor charges. only right and wrong, my way or death. a little like hitler/genghis kahn/napoleon i must admit, but there is no racism in my blood, nor any intollerance for religion or social status, only a deep hatred for intolerance (ooooh can you taste the irony) and corruption. mike and people like him fall into the group of people that the rest of us would be much better off without.


*a disclaimer, in case mike forwards these emails to his 'buddy's' in the fbi; i mean to do none of this, i'm a lazy american with no motivation, just like the 99% of the population i wish were dead. i am no threat, i mean no harm. i think i may still have the freedom to express my opinions, correct me if i'm wrong.*

[Mike S]

Interesting stuff Krafty..

Sounds like you have the making of a manifesto there. By all means keep expanding on your thoughts.


MS

[krafty]

hehe, i get a little carried away sometimes. :) sry.

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by krafty


that has become my new bio, thank you. but there is no point in hiding anything anymore, people need to know that people like me exist. i'm done hiding. the only reason that christianity isn't considered a cult anymore (notice i say 'anymore) is because the majority of "elected" officials "belive" in it. any so called religion started out as a cult and eventually gained enough attention to be deemed worthy of not being taxed. it's all a fucking joke. this entire human society we live in is so filled with hypocrisy, corruption, and lies that there really is no point in trying to make things better. it all needs to be redone. do over, start again from scratch. at least i know that if someone had the balls to do the things i talk about the world really would become a better place. a place where stupidity is rewarded by death, a place where there are no 3 strike laws or age limits or felony/misdemeanor charges. only right and wrong, my way or death. a little like hitler/genghis kahn/napoleon i must admit, but there is no racism in my blood, nor any intollerance for religion or social status, only a deep hatred for intolerance (ooooh can you taste the irony) and corruption. mike and people like him fall into the group of people that the rest of us would be much better off without.

Hey! I have a better idea..

Lets all start advocating liberty for a change.

Peace \\//

[186k\sec]

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/stripped-iraqis.htm

[Mike S]

Originally posted by 186k\sec
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/stripped-iraqis.htm

Interesting stuff as usual 186.. can you reference it to prove it is what it says it is? So far I don't see proof it is what it says it is or any context to put what I'm looking at in.

MS

[MO]

I can't think of ANY context that would be appropriate for US soldiers to follow these men around without concern for protecting their dignity. Let's say this is a hoax, and these are just streakers, then why do the soldiers appear to be so casual? I'm curious, not yet convinced, but curious....
I think it's significant that both Amnesty international is concerned and that Central Command is looking into it. I heard reports that included interviews with Iraqi locals brocasted on "free-speech radio" last week that US Soldiers stationed at Universities in Bagdad were seen sun-tanning while supposedly protecting the school from looting. Since their arrival, more equipment (like computers and valuable text books that are so precious because of years of sanctions) has been looted, often while these soldiers are just chillin'.
Where's the respect? And I love how Garner, (I think that's the name of the Viseroi(sp?)-I should say Hick in Charge judging by the way he conducted himself at these meetings) joined in on a American style lunch during that first panel of talks that focused on Iraq's new government a few weeks ago. I mean, they were having an American style bbq and drinking coke outside one of the Iraqi palaces. It reeks of cultural disrespect to me....so I'm actually interested to see if these nude photos are legit....it would be a pretty extreme case of the kind of crap that the US military has already been pulling since the beginning of the occupation.

[186k\sec]

Interesting stuff as usual 186.. can you reference it to prove it is what it says it is? So far I don't see proof it is what it says it is or any context to put what I'm looking at in.


well, no Mike,
I cant corroborate on the authenticity of the report, ...... however, I think its more likely, and fair to assume that it is looters paraded for humiliation.., and not just last years pictures from the Freemont Parade or something. I would agree with MO, cant think of any other context in which this would seem appropriate... can you?

[Mike S]

Originally posted by 186k\sec



well, no Mike,
I cant corroborate on the authenticity of the report, ...... however, I think its more likely, and fair to assume that it is looters paraded for humiliation.., and not just last years pictures from the Freemont Parade or something. I would agree with MO, cant think of any other context in which this would seem appropriate... can you?


Aaahh..
Well I can think of all sort of other situations this might imply.
Could've been some boys late for their date at the local bath house. Might have been a local religious sect - the order of the naked - coming together for their mid day prayers .. who knows.. all I know is it could be anything and anything portrayed as fact by a website such as the one you linked is suspect.. if not a complete fabrication .

BUT if it was looters and they were being humiliated - then good.
Hope they keep it up.
I suppose its better than being shot on sight.

You guys are great - bitch about the looters - bitch about how the looters are rounded up. worry about cultural artifacts - worry about the dignity of the people stealing them... worry worry worry complain complain complain whine whine whine - effete little bitches - is it any wonder no one takes you people seriously?

MS

[MO]

and our concerns are expressed so that people might begin to question the actions of our government and how they treat the PEOPLE (at least try to think of them as living, breathing, feeling people) of countries that they occupy...we, as Americans have a really ugly track record and therefore such scrutiny is valid.
Mike S.- so much of your replies consist of name calling, finger pointing, call names, insult insult..call names insult insult with almost no intelligent point....is it any wonder no one takes you seriously? (not to mention others of the far right that are so well known for dodging the subject and slinging back unrelated atttacks on people and not their actions...)
and making people parade while naked is not acceptable! is this the kind of punishment that a free and democratic society would enforce..pretty unusual if you ask me, and possibly psychologically cruel. Sometimes I think you're problem is a sickness of desensitivity and very warped disrespect for humanity

[186k\sec]

Well I can think of all sort of other situations this might imply.
Could've been some boys late for their date at the local bath house. Might have been a local religious sect - the order of the naked - coming together for their mid day prayers .. who knows.. all I know is it could be anything and anything portrayed as fact by a website such as the one you linked is suspect.. if not a complete fabrication .

thats quite an imagination you have going there.. Mike, its seems rather convenient they would just happen to capture such candid moments on film.... and not to mention statements made by the military who authorized and witnessed the pratice of parading looters (naked)- - -" First Lieutenant Eric Canaday of Delta Squadron's 10th Engineer Corps said: "I don't think this kind of action is excessive.

"We've done it once before to another man we found looting and it worked perfectly."

You guys are great - bitch about the looters - bitch about how the looters are rounded up. worry about cultural artifacts - worry about the dignity of the people stealing them... worry worry worry complain complain complain whine whine whine - effete little bitches - is it any wonder no one takes you people seriously

show me where I was bitching.,
I simply posted the link, then commented on the probability of its authenticity... now - here's the bitch::
the reason this is wrong is that it is in violation of the Geneva convention, which prohibits displaying POW's (whether they are held for looting or enemy combatants) in a disgraceful manner to purposfully shame & degrade..... the article raises a valid question with regards to the double standards of the military... and such practice only weakens our case to prevent such treatment to our own POW's being humiliated based on suspicions.

[Mike S]

Originally posted by MO
and our concerns are expressed so that people might begin to question the actions of our government and how they treat the PEOPLE (at least try to think of them as living, breathing, feeling people) of countries that they occupy...we, as Americans have a really ugly track record and therefore such scrutiny is valid.
Mike S.- so much of your replies consist of name calling, finger pointing, call names, insult insult..call names insult insult with almost no intelligent point....is it any wonder no one takes you seriously? (not to mention others of the far right that are so well known for dodging the subject and slinging back unrelated atttacks on people and not their actions...)
and making people parade while naked is not acceptable! is this the kind of punishment that a free and democratic society would enforce..pretty unusual if you ask me, and possibly psychologically cruel. Sometimes I think you're problem is a sickness of desensitivity and very warped disrespect for humanity

Really MO I don't care what you think is acceptable nor do I take your seriously when you blather on about questioning the government.. here's why

It seems anytime the government is doing something you find disagreeable and some of us agree with that activity it is assumed we aren't questioning the governments actions. The long and short of that is yes we have and we agree with the actions. Don't like that? Too Bad.
Anything they do over there right now you aren't going to find acceptable -because - you don't think they should be there in the first place.
You're going to bitch whine piss and moan regardless..so who cares what you think is acceptable behavior over there. Not me.

If you find my characterizations of your style of complaint a personal insult .. tough.. maybe say something that deserves to be taken seriously and I'll treat you like a serious person.. until then..


MS

[Mike S]

Originally posted by 186k\sec


thats quite an imagination you have going there.. Mike, its seems rather convenient they would just happen to capture such candid moments on film.... and not to mention statements made by the military who authorized and witnessed the pratice of parading looters (naked)- - -" First Lieutenant Eric Canaday of Delta Squadron's 10th Engineer Corps said: "I don't think this kind of action is excessive.

"We've done it once before to another man we found looting and it worked perfectly."



show me where I was bitching.,
I simply posted the link, then commented on the probability of its authenticity... now - here's the bitch::
the reason this is wrong is that it is in violation of the Geneva convention, which prohibits displaying POW's (whether they are held for looting or enemy combatants) in a disgraceful manner to purposfully shame & degrade..... the article raises a valid question with regards to the double standards of the military... and such practice only weakens our case to prevent such treatment to our own POW's being humiliated based on suspicions.


Oh kryst 186 that's all you do is complain. Complain that the looters are getting away with the loot, complain that they aren't doing enough to curb the looting - then when these guys get creative and think of a way to curb the desire to loot with out harming anything but the looters pride.. you bitch about that. Would you rather they just shoot the sorry SOBs?

Face it you people are going to bitch and moan no matter what anybody does over there ..
MS

[MO]

Mike S-
Yes I disagree with the U.S. lead attack and occupation of Iraq.
BUT
I didn't say that people who agree with the gov.'s actions aren't questioning what's happening, alright.
So what it what you think "seems" to be my point is wrong.

My point is that IF these photos are indeed a document of punishment for looting, there's a problem with how the troops/gov. (or whomever ordered it) is acting.
AND you think it would be an acceptable punishment...why?

I hear all this talk about Iraqi Freedom and the formation of a democratic state as our champoin gift to this country we've bombed.
Meanwhile, supposedly America is the most successful example of Democracy, right? We boast an ultra-free society, right?

Still, somehow a punishment that would never be acceptable here in the states is acceptable over there????? I don't get it...

Unless you'd agree that theives in the US should be made to parade around the streets naked with the name of a famous bank robber written on their chests, then your agreement with such actions is (just like you agreement with an attack on Iraq based on the idea of WMD or freedom for an oppressed people) riddled with hypocrisy.

I hope these photos are B.S...I'd like to think our soldiers have more respect for human dignity than our own resident dickhead Mike S....

[MO]

Originally posted by Mike S

Face it you people are going to bitch and moan no matter what anybody does over there ..
MS
Face it, Mike S. will dodge whatever issue we bring up (here, the Geneva convention) no matter what anybody opposed to him says.

to which I will add, maybe they aren't POWs but they are still poeple who deserve what we all promised them with this war: freedom and all the perks of a democractic society. I can't imagine that an Islamic culture would have a majority in favor of such punishment.

[Mike S]

Originally posted by MO
Mike S-
Yes I disagree with the U.S. lead attack and occupation of Iraq.
BUT
I didn't say that people who agree with the gov.'s actions aren't questioning what's happening, alright.
So what it what you think "seems" to be my point is wrong.

My point is that IF these photos are indeed a document of punishment for looting, there's a problem with how the troops/gov. (or whomever ordered it) is acting.
AND you think it would be an acceptable punishment...why?

I hear all this talk about Iraqi Freedom and the formation of a democratic state as our champoin gift to this country we've bombed.
Meanwhile, supposedly America is the most successful example of Democracy, right? We boast an ultra-free society, right?

Still, somehow a punishment that would never be acceptable here in the states is acceptable over there????? I don't get it...

Unless you'd agree that theives in the US should be made to parade around the streets naked with the name of a famous bank robber written on their chests, then your agreement with such actions is (just like you agreement with an attack on Iraq based on the idea of WMD or freedom for an oppressed people) riddled with hypocrisy.

I hope these photos are B.S...I'd like to think our soldiers have more respect for human dignity than our own resident dickhead Mike S....

First off I think that punishment would be great here in the states. For some reason we'd rather spend shit loads of money sending fools off to places where they just learn to be better criminals instead of hitting them some where more effective. the ego. humiliation is a great deterrent I think. I hope the photos arte what theysay they are - you can bet your ass hose guys wont be stealing anything else nor will any would be looters upon seeing that shit.

You can worry about the dignity of the looter all ya want - the ass holes lost their dignity the minute they took what wasn't theirs. in my opinion. They got what they deserved. Criminals don't get my pity.
I don't feel an ounce of pity for em at all.. but I guess it will be better the way you people like it.. don't humiliate them.. oh no..lets just shoot em.


MS

[MO]

Heaven forbid we try to perform actual justice, you know like fines, courts, jail time...
Just because there is a problem with rehabilitation within the American prison system
does not mean that due process is a worthless option for Iraqi looters.

But since many Iraqi police haven't been paid since March 1,
it sucks to think that native forces are unable to keep people in check
and that the jails aren't yet fully operational.
What's up with that by the way?
When are we going to take practical steps to grant these people
the self-determination we've promised them?

So, I'll say it again,
I don't see it as so narrow a choice of shoot them
or make them run naked.

----editted to show where I get off topic------------------

I wish this administation and it's militaristic foriegn policy enactors
would flex some brain power.
But maybe, like G.W. said we are "misunderestimating" him
and perhaps one of these men in uniform will come up with
some solutions to the chaos of this occupation.

Not that I didn't appreciate that cute little air-craft carrier stunt
Boy that was really productive, huh!!

Come to think of it, I really can't think of the last time a U.S. President
(who never actually served in the military) put on one of its uniforms.
And you know what..
I can't think of another U.S. President
who ever put on Uniform while in office....

but I can think of a few dictators/revolutionaries who did-
Stalin, Hitler, the infamous Che, and Castro to name a few.

Ladies and Gentlemen,
we no longer have a President..
we have Commander, a Chief, a military leader
who never had to climb the ranks with the men and women of the military
I'd imagine It's pretty easy to exploit them for a campaign commercial
when you have no idea what it's like to actually serve

*yeah I'd say that' s enough for today*

LIBERTY (check),
JUSTICE (not that I've seen)
AND DIGNITY(not in Mike's world) FOR ALL!

have a good weekend..seek truth.
peace out

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by MO
Heaven forbid we try to perform actual justice, you know like fines, courts, jail time...
Just because there is a problem with rehabilitation within the American prison system
does not mean that due process is a worthless option for Iraqi looters.

But since many Iraqi police haven't been paid since March 1,
it sucks to think that native forces are unable to keep people in check
and that the jails aren't yet fully operational.
What's up with that by the way?
When are we going to take practical steps to grant these people
the self-determination we've promised them?

So, I'll say it again,
I don't see it as so narrow a choice of shoot them
or make them run naked.

FYI - There are looters that are being arrested and jailed. I find it kinda odd that your expecting all this shit to work itself out over night while there is plenty of armed people still threatening the security of the city. Garner tried to be light so we don't look like oppressive occupiers, but it looks like were gonna have to use force to restore order, hopefully Bremer can do it.

----editted to show where I get off topic------------------

I wish this administation and it's militaristic foriegn policy enactors
would flex some brain power.
But maybe, like G.W. said we are "misunderestimating" him
and perhaps one of these men in uniform will come up with
some solutions to the chaos of this occupation.

Not that I didn't appreciate that cute little air-craft carrier stunt
Boy that was really productive, huh!!

Come to think of it, I really can't think of the last time a U.S. President
(who never actually served in the military) put on one of its uniforms.
And you know what..
I can't think of another U.S. President
who ever put on Uniform while in office....

but I can think of a few dictators/revolutionaries who did-
Stalin, Hitler, the infamous Che, and Castro to name a few.

Ladies and Gentlemen,
we no longer have a President..
we have Commander, a Chief, a military leader
who never had to climb the ranks with the men and women of the military
I'd imagine It's pretty easy to exploit them for a campaign commercial
when you have no idea what it's like to actually serve

*yeah I'd say that' s enough for today*

LIBERTY (check),
JUSTICE (not that I've seen)
AND DIGNITY(not in Mike's world) FOR ALL!

have a good weekend..seek truth.
peace out

:rolleyes:

[ZupanGOD]

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[Mirko]

Originally posted by Mike S

First off I think that punishment would be great here in the states.
Yeah, it's just too bad we have this annoying little thing called the Consitution.