Did the holocaust really happen?

[ZupanGOD]

http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=324912&group=webcast

[Shakes head]

[Mirko]

Originally posted by ZupanGOD
http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=324912&group=webcast

[Shakes head]
Totally. In my opinion Indymedia should never have published "the duke"'s "article", but they don't censor much (anything?) on those forums. If you're an even semi-regular reader of indymedia.org you'll be aware that "the duke" is very far "right", and, in my view, as corroborated in part by his "Holocaust never happened" filth, a complete wackjob. This wasn't even worth posting to nwtekno... I guess Zupan was hoping to lump Indymedia in with moronic conservative nutcases like "the duke".

(edited to capitalize "Holocaust")

[HexRei]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/01/opinion/01FRIE.html

A Theory of Everything
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN


s President Bush meets other world leaders this weekend, and tries to patch things up between America and the rest of the planet, I find myself looking back and asking: What's been going on here? After 9/11 people wondered, "Why do they hate us?" speaking of the Muslim world. After the Iraq war debate, the question has grown into, "Why does everybody else hate us?"

I've sketched out my own answer, which I modestly call "A Brief Theory of Everything." I offer it here, even more briefly, in hopes that people will write in with comments or catcalls so I can continue to refine it, turn it into a quick book and pay my daughter's college tuition. Here goes:

During the 1990's, America became exponentially more powerful — economically, militarily and technologically — than any other country in the world, if not in history. Broadly speaking, this was because the collapse of the Soviet empire, and the alternative to free-market capitalism, coincided with the Internet-technology revolution in America. The net effect was that U.S. power, culture and economic ideas about how society should be organized became so dominant (a dominance magnified through globalization) that America began to touch people's lives around the planet — "more than their own governments," as a Pakistani diplomat once said to me. Yes, we began to touch people's lives — directly or indirectly — more than their own governments.

As people realized this, they began to organize against it in a very inchoate manner. The first manifestation of that was the 1999 Seattle protest, which triggered a global movement. Seattle had its idiot side, but what the serious protesters there were saying was: "You, America, are now touching my life more than my own government. You are touching it by how your culture seeps into mine, by how your technologies are speeding up change in all aspects of my life, and by how your economic rules have been `imposed' on me. I want to have a vote on how your power is exercised, because it's a force now shaping my life."

Why didn't nations organize militarily against the U.S.? Michael Mandelbaum, author of "The Ideas That Conquered the World," answers: "One prominent international relations school — the realists — argues that when a hegemonic power, such as America, emerges in the global system other countries will naturally gang up against it. But because the world basically understands that America is a benign hegemon, the ganging up does not take the shape of warfare. Instead, it is an effort to Gulliverize America, an attempt to tie it down, using the rules of the World Trade Organization or U.N. — and in so doing demanding a vote on how American power is used."

There is another reason for this nonmilitary response. America's emergence as the hyperpower is happening in the age of globalization, when economies have become so intertwined that China, Russia, France or any other rivals cannot hit the U.S. without wrecking their own economies.

The only people who use violence are rogues or nonstate actors with no stakes in the system, such as Osama bin Laden. Basically, he is in a civil war with the Saudi ruling family. But, he says to himself, "The Saudi rulers are insignificant. To destroy them you have to hit the hegemonic power that props them up — America."

Hence, 9/11. This is where the story really gets interesting. Because suddenly, Puff the Magic Dragon — a benign U.S. hegemon touching everyone economically and culturally — turns into Godzilla, a wounded, angry, raging beast touching people militarily. Now, people become really frightened of us, a mood reinforced by the Bush team's unilateralism. With one swipe of our paw we smash the Taliban. Then we turn to Iraq. Then the rest of the world says, "Holy cow! Now we really want a vote over how your power is used." That is what the whole Iraq debate was about. People understood Iraq was a war of choice that would affect them, so they wanted to be part of the choosing. We said, sorry, you don't pay, you don't play.

"Where we are now," says Nayan Chanda, publications director at the Yale Center for the Study of Globalization (whose Web site yaleglobal .yale.edu is full of valuable nuggets), "is that you have this sullen anger out in the world at America. Because people realize they are not going to get a vote over American power, they cannot do anything about it, but they will be affected by it."

Finding a stable way to manage this situation will be critical to managing America's relations with the rest of the globe. Any ideas? Let's hear 'em: thfrie@nytimes.com.

[seattle science]

Originally posted by HexRei
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/01/opinion/01FRIE.html

A Theory of Everything
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN.........



Lets bypass the small talk and just get down to common sense here. Why does a lot of the world hate America? Well.. why do a majority of Americans hate the Yankees and the Lakers? People hate who is on top. Period. Ethnocentrism is the major factor here. Nationalists in various countries around the world have great pride in their own nations, so of course they do not want to be considered 'less than' anybody else. Getting down to brass tax, most of the people who say they hate America can't give you one good reason, be it a policy or action, except to say that they believe America to be "arrogant." Which = they are strongly concerned that perhaps, just maybe, we might be "better" than their country. Talk about flag-wavers.

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by Mirko

Totally. In my opinion Indymedia should never have published "the duke"'s "article", but they don't censor much (anything?) on those forums. If you're an even semi-regular reader of indymedia.org you'll be aware that "the duke" is very far "right", and, in my view, as corroborated in part by his "holocaust never happened" filth, a complete wackjob. This wasn't even worth posting to nwtekno... I guess Zupan was hoping to lump Indymedia in with moronic conservative nutcases like "the duke".

No not exactly.. I stumbled over it while crusing.. I just find such things like people denying the holocaust as terribly disturbing.

[HexRei]

i've not been incredibly impressed indiymedia. the portland branch (http://portland.indymedia.org/) sometimes has really relevant and interesting stuff, but often is just a place for paranoid crazies to post their latest meth-induced hallucination.

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by HexRei
i've not been incredibly impressed indiymedia. the portland branch (http://portland.indymedia.org/) sometimes has really relevant and interesting stuff, but often is just a place for paranoid crazies to post their latest meth-induced hallucination.

Yeah I cruise indy sometimes, allot of the radical drivel is entertaining but that one just made me feel ill. The fact it was indymedia means very little to me, the fact that people deny that the holocause even happend or down play it is the point of my post.

Take care,
Jason

[Tecknowledgy]

6,000,000 dead Jews don't lie.

[Hookups]

Neither do:
10 million dead chinese
7 million dead russians
5 million dead poles

[booboo69]

Originally posted by seattle science


Lets bypass the small talk and just get down to common sense here. Why does a lot of the world hate America? Well.. why do a majority of Americans hate the Yankees and the Lakers? People hate who is on top. Period.

I don't know 'bout the rest of you, but I hate the Yankees because they're so goddamn smug...and they keep beating us in the post season. Last time I checked, they haven't been on top for quite some time. </tangent>

[HexRei]

Originally posted by Hookups
Neither do:
10 million dead chinese
7 million dead russians
5 million dead poles


There were 15 million Jews on the earth before WWII. Afterward there were only 9 million. They lost over a third of their world population. And these weren't battle deaths, people who died in war. These were civilians who were rounded up and executed.

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I don't know 'bout the rest of you, but I hate the Yankees because they're so goddamn smug...

expect nothing less from the richest team in the league, heh.. & yeah, didnt they just get handed a no hitter the other night?

[seattle science]

smug? haha. Don't know much about sports, no? The reason people hate the Yankees is because they have the highest payroll and can afford the best players, which = 4 World Series victories in last 7 years. How it would be possible for the team to be "smug", I have no idea. They are just normal ball players, most of whom have been on plenty of other teams, but happen to be the creme of the crop. And no, lol.. because the Yankme's go up and down a half-game in the division does not mean they don't have the most talent and aren't the most highly paid. Because of these facts, they will remain the most hated team in Baseball. My analogy to the Yankees and the United States is spot-on, no matter how much you wish the U.S. was the Devil Rays.

I must be really bored to be spending this time explaining the obvious.

[186k\sec]

I must be really bored to be spending this time explaining the obvious

please - go on. mr. baseball... this is US / Yankee analogy is fascinating..

[seattle science]

I'd love to, if need be, but I don't think that the obvious needs further explanation.

[Hookups]

Originally posted by HexRei


There were 15 million Jews on the earth before WWII. Afterward there were only 9 million. They lost over a third of their world population. And these weren't battle deaths, people who died in war. These were civilians who were rounded up and executed.

Remember the Caananites? Genocide sucks.

[Carley]

Originally posted by HexRei
i've not been incredibly impressed indiymedia. the portland branch (http://portland.indymedia.org/) sometimes has really relevant and interesting stuff, but often is just a place for paranoid crazies to post their latest meth-induced hallucination.


:D (Seattle) Indymedia USED (read: WTO) to be a great resource for community organizing. It has devolved as most of the members now are "paranoid crazies" & the only "organizing" is of the puppetry kind. Heh.

[booboo69]

Originally posted by seattle science
smug? haha. Don't know much about sports, no? The reason people hate the Yankees is because they have the highest payroll and can afford the best players, which = 4 World Series victories in last 7 years. How it would be possible for the team to be "smug", I have no idea. They are just normal ball players, most of whom have been on plenty of other teams, but happen to be the creme of the crop. And no, lol.. because the Yankme's go up and down a half-game in the division does not mean they don't have the most talent and aren't the most highly paid. Because of these facts, they will remain the most hated team in Baseball. My analogy to the Yankees and the United States is spot-on, no matter how much you wish the U.S. was the Devil Rays.

Alright, I was trying to avoid drift with my little </tangent> tag, but hell, you had to go and draw it out.

First of all, the Yankees are smug. As you've said, 4 world series in the last 7 years, in the playoffs for as long as I can remember, etc. The way they play, they way they are promoted and the way they show for new players just oozes with a massive ego. Just on a whim, last week, they signed Ruben Sierra. Obviously not a huge name anymore, but he's still got the stuff.

Secondly, as the last two seasons have shown, they may have SOME of the best players out there (Jeter, Rivera, Clemens, etc), but just because you've got the best players doesn't mean you'll succeed, as illustrated by last year.

I do agree that you analogie between people hating the US and people hating the Yankees is sharp, but it'd need to be the 1998 yankees, not the 2003 yankees, for it to be an accurate comparison, because they were virtually unstoppable between '98 and '01. But I stand by my statement that people hate the yankees for reasons other than what you mentioned.

And, btw, where the fuck do you assume I want the US to be like the Devil Rays? Oh, right, I'm anti-Bush so I immediately want the country to fall apart. How silly of me to forget that. :rolleyes:

[Boyd Main]

Originally posted by seattle science


Lets bypass the small talk and just get down to common sense here. Why does a lot of the world hate America? Well.. why do a majority of Americans hate the Yankees and the Lakers? People hate who is on top. Period. Ethnocentrism is the major factor here. Nationalists in various countries around the world have great pride in their own nations, so of course they do not want to be considered 'less than' anybody else. Getting down to brass tax, most of the people who say they hate America can't give you one good reason, be it a policy or action, except to say that they believe America to be "arrogant." Which = they are strongly concerned that perhaps, just maybe, we might be "better" than their country. Talk about flag-wavers.

Bull-freaking-shit. As a person from another country I could give you a hat-full of good reasons, be it a policy or action, to hate America.

You, lacking that perspective, are just another reason in that hat.

Your whole argument is based on the supposition that America is the best, or "above" the rest of the world. And it is precisly that (erroneous) supposition, acted out by your government on the globe, that makes people hate America.

You are a self-fulfiling prophecy.

[seattle science]

Oh, I see. We aren't the world's only remaining superpower.. (on top). Unfortunately this is all news to me!

For Christ's sake, if you aren't willing to face the reality that people around the world hate us because we indeed are the sole remaining superpower, then I guess you enjoy being in the cold wet darkness. Like I said, most of these cats who will say "fuck the US", don't know shit about our foreign policy except that they believe us to be "arrogant", which = petty inferiority complex. If these people simply disliked the United States because we are 'corrupt, evil, terrorists', then wouldn't logic dictate that they would be 10x more anti-actual evil regimes such as North Korea? Of course not, because North Korea isn't the superpower. The U.S. is. You really think the French, who are about as dispicably anti-muslim/anti-semetic as it comes, really gave a single cunt hair about the civilians inside Iraq when they were protesting our military action? If so, then you need to step into real land in a hurry. These protests were only spurred by anti-American sentiment that all circles back to, you guessed it, us being "arrogant" (on top/superpower).

[Mike S]

Originally posted by Boyd Main


Bull-freaking-shit. As a person from another country I could give you a hat-full of good reasons, be it a policy or action, to hate America.

You, lacking that perspective, are just another reason in that hat.

Your whole argument is based on the supposition that America is the best, or "above" the rest of the world. And it is precisly that (erroneous) supposition, acted out by your government on the globe, that makes people hate America.

You are a self-fulfiling prophecy.


Ha - Boyd you talking about a lack of perspective is funny. You come from a country the size of Vancouver Island with as much econ, social and military clout as equatorial guinea - oh I'm sorry.. equatorial guinea HAS econ clout - anyway you come at this country from the perspective of weakness and of course the resentment that weakness naturally breeds. You embrace multi lateral institutions like the UN because in the fantasy land those institutions create in puts your burg on equal par with this country when you and I both know with out this country that institution - as well as any other institutions we choose to be part of would cease to exist. For lack of a better descriptive we've built ourselves into the social, economic and military power the world revolves around - we don't MAKE it do that it just does and until something bigger and better comes along thats the way of the world. thing is you and i know the only system that is going to spawn something to replace us is one like ours..and it drives people like you nuts.
Personally I could care less whether the rest of the world kisses our ass or kisses our feet.

MS

[Boyd Main]

Originally posted by seattle science
Oh, I see. We aren't the world's only remaining superpower.. (on top). Unfortunately this is all news to me!


Being the only superpower left, or being the nation with the biggest army or economy may equal power superiority, but it certainly does not necessarily equal superiority on other grounds. I guess it all depends on how you define "better" (a word you used in your first post in this thread).

For macho nitwits like yourself might is right, therefore you consider America, being the most powerful, to be the best.

For people whose criteria for "good" (and therefore "best") rests on more than power and influence, and may infact encompass such diverse qualities as honesty, consistency, fairness, and *gasp* even moral rectitude, there may be other answers as to which nation is best.

Same goes for you Mike. You think I resent America because NZ is weak. Well, that says more about you than me. I don't particularly care than NZ has no clout in the world. I really don't. You may think I should, but that's because you, like that nitwit pseudoscience, put a far greater value on "power" than I do.

And maybe you should think a little about what the word perspective means in this context. Who is likely to have more perspective, an outsider viewing something with fresh eyes, or a parochial local who's never taken a step backwards to see how others may view him?

[seattle science]

Perspective, lol. What I love is how these countries who are under absolutely no threat, protest the action that a country who actually is under threat, chooses to take to defend itself. If China spontaneously launched a dozen nukes at major cities inside the continental United States, the French would amass in hundreds of thousands to protest the U.S.A. when we retaliate against China.

[Mike S]

Originally posted by Boyd Main


Being the only superpower left, or being the nation with the biggest army or economy may equal power superiority, but it certainly does not necessarily equal superiority on other grounds. I guess it all depends on how you define "better" (a word you used in your first post in this thread).

For macho nitwits like yourself might is right, therefore you consider America, being the most powerful, to be the best.

For people whose criteria for "good" (and therefore "best") rests on more than power and influence, and may infact encompass such diverse qualities as honesty, consistency, fairness, and *gasp* even moral rectitude, there may be other answers as to which nation is best.

Same goes for you Mike. You think I resent America because NZ is weak. Well, that says more about you than me. I don't particularly care than NZ has no clout in the world. I really don't. You may think I should, but that's because you, like that nitwit pseudoscience, put a far greater value on "power" than I do.

And maybe you should think a little about what the word perspective means in this context. Who is likely to have more perspective, an outsider viewing something with fresh eyes, or a parochial local who's never taken a step backwards to see how others may view him?


Boyd believe it or not I've done a considerable amount of traveling and what it always comes down to with people in these other countries is how they perceive the US as not respecting them and that always has had less to do with how the US actually see's them (most of us could give a flying fuck about what they do or don't do) but how these people see themselves in relation to the US. Its a macro-little mans syndrome. Now you can go on and on about how this isn't so but what I see from you is this very thing which is combined with your fringe political slant projected on the situation as well.

MS

[Mike S]

Originally posted by seattle science
Perspective, lol. What I love is how these countries who are under absolutely no threat, protest the action that a country who actually is under threat, chooses to take to defend itself. If China spontaneously launched a dozen nukes at major cities inside the continental United States, the French would amass in hundreds of thousands to protest the U.S.A. when we retaliate against China.


Oh you forgot the rest science.. after these countries organized protests against the big bad hegemon they'd change the subject and put their hand out and ask for our money and troops to help take care of some disaster their own past colonial policies created because "only the US has the clout and the cash to get it done".

Euro-trash

MS

[seattle science]

And then of course the idiot lefties in this country, while standing in the rubble of 12 decimated cities, would organize protests and insist that there wasn't just-cause for launching a retaliatory strike against China and demand a full investigation, unless of course the current President who ordered the retaliation happened to have a (D) to the left of his name, in which case there would miraculously be not a single protest.

[ZupanGOD]

:p @ Seattle Science.

-Jason

[HexRei]

Originally posted by Hookups


Remember the Caananites? Genocide sucks.

Um, Israel fought a war with and conquered Canaan over 4000 years ago. I guess what I have to ask is, what's your point?

[Mike S]

Originally posted by seattle science
And then of course the idiot lefties in this country, while standing in the rubble of 12 decimated cities, would organize protests and insist that there wasn't just-cause for launching a retaliatory strike against China and demand a full investigation, unless of course the current President who ordered the retaliation happened to have a (D) to the left of his name, in which case there would miraculously be not a single protest.

*Falls out of chair laughing*

Nice one!!

MS

[Boyd Main]

Originally posted by seattle science
Perspective, lol. What I love is how these countries who are under absolutely no threat, protest the action that a country who actually is under threat, chooses to take to defend itself.

So, not only are you incredibly arrogant, you are paranoid too. Shaking at the knees at the thought of big bid Saddam and his conquering army of doom! What a threat America was under from Iraq, what an immiment threat! Ha.

[Mike S]

Originally posted by Boyd Main


So, not only are you incredibly arrogant, you are paranoid too. Shaking at the knees at the thought of big bid Saddam and his conquering army of doom! What a threat America was under from Iraq, what an immiment threat! Ha.

Yeah kinda of like no one was under threat from a bunch of sheet wearing, towel on their head religious fanatics living in some cave in Afghanistan. I mean really why, in 98, did Clinton waste those cruise missles bombing a bunch of tents in Afghanistan.. Its not like they pose any threat to us. I mean really.. what are they gonna do.. fly planes into the pentagon? Ha .. what a laugh.

Boyd .. you truly are one hell of a blind, myopic jack-ass.

MS

[Boyd Main]

Originally posted by Mike S


Yeah kinda of like no one was under threat from a bunch of sheet wearing, towel on their head religious fanatics living in some cave in Afghanistan. I mean really why, in 98, did Clinton waste those cruise missles bombing a bunch of tents in Afghanistan.. Its not like they pose any threat to us. I mean really.. what are they gonna do.. fly planes into the pentagon? Ha .. what a laugh.

Boyd .. you truly are one hell of a blind, myopic jack-ass.

MS

uhhh, when did we start talking about Al-Queda? I thought we were talking about Iraq.

And the other thing about pseudoscience's post I should have picked at was, again, his Americentrism. Like the US is the only country under threat from terrorism. Sheesh.

[seattle science]

Remember me talking about that special place called real land? Visit it sometime homie. But until then, let me ask you a very simple and common sense question, that requires a very simple and common sense answer. Who is the "great satan"? Hint: even though your immediate thought would probably be Malawi, the correct answer = U.S.A., and it makes me proud. :*) But anyways, I'm sorry that my 'Americentric' eyes and ears seem to have registered the Palestinian chants of "DEATH TO AMERICA, THE GREAT SATAN" every other night on BBC, but for some odd reason reality seems to always have this quirky way of seeping into my head. Unfortunately, I may keep missing the daily anti-Malawi festival on the West Bank, but from what I can assess, the United States may just be somewhere near the top of the list of places that terrorists would enjoy targetting. But maybe I'm way off here.

[Mike S]

Originally posted by Boyd Main


uhhh, when did we start talking about Al-Queda? I thought we were talking about Iraq.

And the other thing about pseudoscience's post I should have picked at was, again, his Americentrism. Like the US is the only country under threat from terrorism. Sheesh.

I was using it as a comparative Boyd.. You poohpoohed any threat that Saddam may or may not have posed much the same way people poohpoohed Bin Laden and his nuts when we bombed his camps in Afghanistan in the 90s.


Oh and Boyd.. we may not be the only country under threat from terrorism but *suprise* this is the one we live in and *suprise* this is the one we're gonna be most concerned about.

MS

[Boyd Main]

Originally posted by seattle science
Remember me talking about that special place called real land? Visit it sometime homie. But until then, let me ask you a very simple and common sense question, that requires a very simple and common sense answer. Who is the "great satan"? Hint: even though your immediate thought would probably be Malawi, the correct answer = U.S.A., and it makes me proud. :*) But anyways, I'm sorry that my 'Americentric' eyes and ears seem to have registered the Palestinian chants of "DEATH TO AMERICA, THE GREAT SATAN" every other night on BBC, but for some odd reason reality seems to always have this quirky way of seeping into my head. Unfortunately, I may keep missing the daily anti-Malawi festival on the West Bank, but from what I can assess, the United States may just be somewhere near the top of the list of places that terrorists would enjoy targetting. But maybe I'm way off here.

Yeah, way off. Let's see some examples:

Bali bomb suspect says 'served whites right'....When asked how he felt about the impact of the Bali attack, Amrozi told the court: "There's some pride in my heart. For the white people, it serves them right." (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2538306a12,00.html)

uhhh, americans=whites? Not particularly. Next.

The current epicenter of terrorism in the world is Israel/
Palestine, not America.

Outside of Israel/Palestine, the most recent terrorist attacks have occurred where?

Morrocco
Saudi Arabia
Kenya
Indonesia
Chechnya

With the possible exception of Chechnya all these attacks have targeted Western interests. Your particularly narrow mind might equate Western with American, but that would simply be because you're an Americentric buffoon.

It's understandable that you might want to hog all the glory in the world, but it's just kind of wierd that you'd want to hog all the negative shit, like being a prime terrorist target.

[Effendi]

.
Your either "With us" or "Against us"

You may NOT add logic or reason into any determinations you make.

If we say that it is a certain way then if you decide to argue any point of it then you are clearly against us.

Scott!!

[seattle science]

Originally posted by Boyd Main


Yeah, way off. Let's see some examples:

Bali bomb suspect says 'served whites right'....When asked how he felt about the impact of the Bali attack, Amrozi told the court: "There's some pride in my heart. For the white people, it serves them right." (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2538306a12,00.html)

uhhh, americans=whites? Not particularly. Next.

The current epicenter of terrorism in the world is Israel/
Palestine, not America.

Outside of Israel/Palestine, the most recent terrorist attacks have occurred where?

Morrocco
Saudi Arabia
Kenya
Indonesia
Chechnya

With the possible exception of Chechnya all these attacks have targeted Western interests. Your particularly narrow mind might equate Western with American, but that would simply be because you're an Americentric buffoon.

It's understandable that you might want to hog all the glory in the world, but it's just kind of wierd that you'd want to hog all the negative shit, like being a prime terrorist target.

Give me a fuckin break, you're kidding right? lol. Again... Real land, my boy. Real land. It's fabulous and everything that you disconcertingly believe that America and Israel are not both the number one targets of international terrorism right now, mainly by Al Qaeda for Americans, simply because these animals know that its easier to strike soft targets outside of the US, rather than targets inside the US. haha. I have no other choice but to assume you are an official imbecile if you don't grasp the fact that Americans top the list of people terrorists would like to murder, along with Jews of any nationality. I know this hurts you because you seem to be suffering from a quite disturbing case of anti-American inferiority complex, made clear by your shocking 'avoid-the-obvious-at-all-cost' theory that Americans are not under a bigger threat than anybody else in this world. This shit cracks me up.

"You Americans think you're so cool, and really think that terrorists want to kill you more than they want to kill me! no! no! nO! I'm just as special, i tell you! They want to kill me too! I swear!"

And people like yourself call Bush an idiot.

[Effendi]

Originally posted by seattle science

And people like yourself call Bush an idiot.

And NOT surprisingly people like you don't!!....:p

Scott!!

[seattle science]

Quote me calling him smart. haha

You know how to quote, right? Look at my signature for two clear examples of it.

[Boyd Main]

Originally posted by seattle science

It's fabulous and everything that you disconcertingly believe that America and Israel are not both the number one targets of international terrorism right now...

Reading comprehension? "The current epicenter of terrorism in the world is Israel..."


Originally posted by seattle science
...made clear by your shocking 'avoid-the-obvious-at-all-cost' theory that Americans are not under a bigger threat than anybody else in this world....
Ohh, so now your talking about things a little more sensibly, at least in terms of acknowlegding that other countries are under a threat. But again, you've got it wrong. Do you actually feel more insecure where you are right now, than you would if you were in the Australian embassy in Djakarta, for exampe?

Originally posted by seattle science
"You Americans think you're so cool, and really think that terrorists want to kill you more than they want to kill me! no! no! nO! I'm just as special, i tell you! They want to kill me too! I swear!"


Or conversely "We Americans are the best. Everyone hates us 'cos we are the best. They hate our freedom, and they want to kill us. Only us. No-one else, 'cos we are the best. Why would anyone want to kill anyone else but a superioir American?"

Anyway, this conversation has truly hit a low. Enough goddamit!