A little something for you to remember

[NO-ESC]

http://64.177.83.63/liberty/email.htm

[Effendi]

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When we go after Iran will that be because of 9-11

how about North Korea..they have airplanes....

I fully understand the need of paranoid America to "Kill all da Sandniggers"

They hardly know who the fuck we are, but if we say they have Nukloor, then fucking kill them before they kill us.

Here's the funny thing man, Al Queda is re-grouping and striking back while we are fucking the dog in Iraq.

It's probably NOT even Iraqi's that are killing American Soldier's everyday, It's probably Al Queda. Taking advantage of a premium strike zone where they can kill American soldiers without reprisal. Of course we are told that they are "Saddam" loyalist, and maybe it is....Either way, I'm curious just HOW many American lives are "worth" freeing the Iraqi people?

When are you guys going to draw the line, 200 dead, 300 dead, your cousin...what's it going to take for you to change your mind and finally decide the price is too high? OR are you going to insist that it doesn't matter if 10,00 Americans die, at least we freed those greatful Iraqi's.:rolleyes:

Yea, I'll remember Lenny, I remember a world before your boss where I was proud to be an American. I'm still proud of you, but the Administration has let us down terribly. They have created a world of fear and paranoia that will make our childrens lives Less safe, not more safe. They have taken advantage for financial reasons of others in the world with natural resources. They have done this under the guise of a "TWAT"

Do YOU remember Lenny, WHO perpetrated 911?

Scott!!

[ZupanGOD]

Ohh no!! you just didn't.. the radicals on the board are gonna have a melt down over that one.

Waits for Scott to post images of civilian casualties of war in the war on terrorism or burnts and Rawkus anti-American sentiments..

-Jason

[burnt]

especially the part where Enya started singing that one song during the part where I got goosebumps for a second.......let us never forget the blood of our heroic, fallen daytraders...we must never forget that these brave heroes were murdered by mysterious Saudis living in America, and thats *EXACTLY* why we bombed the fuck outta wedding parties in Afghanistan...

*tsk*
...you hater...

[DJ Rawkus]

No offense to you Lenny, but that was a real tearjerker. Now if only it was replete with images from places like Aceh, Indonesia and Sierra Leone where people are killed everyday. War rages across the planet in many countries, which means i don't waste my time "hero-izing" a bunch of americans who happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. *wank*

Just what this forum needs; another bandwagon patriot flash film!

wheeeee! (word to burnts' post)

[NO-ESC]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
No offense to you Lenny, but that was a real tearjerker. Now if only it was replete with images from places like Aceh, Indonesia and Sierra Leone where people are killed everyday. War rages across the planet in many countries, which means i don't waste my time "hero-izing" a bunch of americans who happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. *wank*

Just what this forum needs; another bandwagon patriot flash film!

wheeeee!

Or such places as East Timor as well nathan ( I was there and saw first hand the damage that was caused).

I pass no judgement on what is going on in the world just thought I would pass this on to you gentlemen for discussion. In a few months I will be able to voice my opinions in the matter freely but for now *mums* the word.


Yes Scott I have done my own research on 9/11 and have some very strong feelings about the whole situation. Not to be discussed at this time.

However Scott I would trust that you are not grouping me with THEM (TWAT). I just hope this sparks another wonderful discussion ;)

[Effendi]

Originally posted by NO-ESC

However Scott I would trust that you are not grouping me with THEM (TWAT).
Originally posted by Effendi
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I'm still proud of you, but the Administration has let us down terribly. Scott!!

It's YOUR life I'm not willing to risk Man.

If America were threatened, I would pack your lunch for you.
But since it is not, you are not allowed to die!!

Scott!!

[NO-ESC]

I would also like to point out that at not one time did this little flash file point an accusing finger in anyones direction.

Funny how people imediately assume blame :rolleyes:

edited to say: damn it scott you post fast...this wasnt directed at your last comment...

[NO-ESC]

Originally posted by Effendi



It's YOUR life I'm not willing to risk Man.

If America were threatened, I would pack your lunch for you.
But since it is not, you are not allowed to die!!

Scott!!

Well thanks bro :)

I really like roastbeef with cheese, lettuce, tomato and light onion ;)


(been a while eh?)

[HexRei]

Originally posted by Effendi
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When we go after Iran will that be because of 9-11

how about North Korea..they have airplanes....

I fully understand the need of paranoid America to "Kill all da Sandniggers"

They hardly know who the fuck we are, but if we say they have Nukloor, then fucking kill them before they kill us.

Here's the funny thing man, Al Queda is re-grouping and striking back while we are fucking the dog in Iraq.

It's probably NOT even Iraqi's that are killing American Soldier's everyday, It's probably Al Queda. Taking advantage of a premium strike zone where they can kill American soldiers without reprisal. Of course we are told that they are "Saddam" loyalist, and maybe it is....Either way, I'm curious just HOW many American lives are "worth" freeing the Iraqi people?

Yeah, what does it have to do with Iraq? I don't even remember seeing a reference to Iraq in the movie, and lenny didn't seem to mention one in the thread. Is there actually a reference here I'm missing, or was this a wild leap on the Jump to Conclusions Mat? ;)

edit: I'll admit, it's an awfully drama-filled yet boring movie, so I kinda half-watched it, I mighta missed a picture of Saddam or soemthing

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by ZupanGOD
Ohh no!! you just didn't.. the radicals on the board are gonna have a melt down over that one.

Waits for Scott to post images of civilian casualties of war in the war on terrorism or burnts and Rawkus anti-American sentiments..

-Jason Yeah Jason, i only look anti-american next to a few american buffoons. But sit me next to any Frenchman and i look downright patriotic! hahaha

Oh yeah, have you seen freestateproject.com? It might be of interest if you want some libertarian pull in this country. :) Y'know the only difference between me and you is about 3 degrees. I'm libertarian socialist, while you are just middle road libertarian.

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by NO-ESC



Yes Scott I have done my own research on 9/11 and have some very strong feelings about the whole situation. Not to be discussed at this time.

However Scott I would trust that you are not grouping me with THEM (TWAT). I just hope this sparks another wonderful discussion ;) Word lenny. And that's why i respect you so much. Like most people, i love my country, but laugh at my gov't. I don't fear them, unless you consider hate to be a type of fear. :P

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
Yeah Jason, i only look anti-american next to a few american buffoons. But sit me next to any Frenchman and i look downright patriotic! hahaha

Oh yeah, have you seen freestateproject.com? It might be of interest if you want some libertarian pull in this country. :) Y'know the only difference between me and you is about 3 degrees. I'm libertarian socialist, while you are just middle road libertarian.

What's a middle of the road libertarian BTW?

anyways..

freestateproject.. here we come. haha

Take care,
Jason

[Effendi]

Originally posted by DJ Rawkus
Yeah Jason, I'm libertarian socialist, while you are just middle road libertarian.

Boy it's good to see you Nathan but you've been gone awhile.
Remember why you left in the first place, It wasn't jason being a "middle road Libertarian".....lol

Jason may indeed embrace some Libertarian issues, but those have not been discussed for the better part of the last year, and what HAS been discussed did not paint him very Libertarian (IMHO)

Scott!!

[Ishkur]

Blood of Heroes was a good movie. I t:D



Seriously though, that video was a little too preachy, slow, and presumptuous to have any kind of emotional effect whatsoever. And the more I think about it, the more I feel the phrase "never forget" is precisely why we're in this position in the first place. That people can never forget past transgrievances, and keep renewing reparations and revenge in an endless cycle.

I think we should stop "never forgetting". Instead, let's put it behind us. Let's change our way of thinking right now, and for the future. Let's evolve, move forward, come together, create a new plan for global civilized behavior rather than beating on each other for the mistakes of past generations.

For what it's worth, I think MY flash video (http://www.ishkur.com/nrr/911.htm) is far more effective. Less words, more imagery. It's not inciting anything, and it's not pulling any conservative or liberal agenda, but merely focus on the heart of what this is about.....which is people.

[DJ Rawkus]

Originally posted by Effendi


Boy it's good to see you Nathan but you've been gone awhile.
Remember why you left in the first place, It wasn't jason being a "middle road Libertarian".....lol

Jason may indeed embrace some Libertarian issues, but those have not been discussed for the better part of the last year, and what HAS been discussed did not paint him very Libertarian (IMHO)

Scott!! Good to see you as well, Scott. I do remember why i left in the first place, and you're correct on saying that it wasn't because Jason was being middle road lib (or mike being anything other than a taunting bully). I think as any of us know, sometimes we feel that digging our heels in to establish how true we are to our words (and ideals in some cases) is necessary. I know i've done it a time or two on here, but in doing that i've totally lost an argument or a point because i was so busy defending something else: me. I was practicing my ID-ology. (which is wack thinking) I think as activists, libs, conservs, commies or anything else, we need to realize we aren't all that different from each other. Instead of trying to be uber patriotic or uber radical.. let's realize we have some common ground and embrace it instead of always drawing lines in the sand. If this country is really UNITED, is it just because the states are close together or is there something else? THIS point and this alone is why i disagree with the actions of this gov't. Their actions do not describe unity, countrywide, or globally.

edit: Before anyone tries to pull "well, saddams' actions didn't reflect unity either"...i fully realize that, but i'm not responsible for his or any other despot on the Rummy blacklist. Once we take the plank out of our own eye, then we can start removing planks from others' eyes. Until then, we have no business crushing a tyranny halfway round the rock and displaying anything but courage, honor, and fidelity in the process.

[ZupanGOD]

Originally posted by Effendi
Jason may indeed embrace some Libertarian issues, but those have not been discussed for the better part of the last year, and what HAS been discussed did not paint him very Libertarian (IMHO)

Scott!!

Our discussions on The War on Terror have given you that impression right?

Take care Scott,
Jason

[Cedwyn]

what a ridiculously jingoistic piece of tripe.

whatever one's feelings on the subject, nobody is going to forget 9/11 anytime soon. it was one of the most awesome (and before someone jumps my shit for supporting the attack, please actually look up the word "awe") tactical strikes in history. all emotional responses aside, the sheer moment of that day renders it indelible.

i probably wouldn't mind the video so much if it made *some* pretense of being concerned with resolving the issues leading to and surrounding 9/11. as presented, it just seems to fuel begrudgement.

[Effendi]

created by the Administration after the fact.

Did we Ever get Bin Laden?
I think we killed his son's...that'll teach them top attack America:rolleyes:

Have we fully retributed 911 in the eyes of America?
did we kill all the perpetrators?..and all their families...and anyone with the same last name.....and O yea, an entire other country..Afghanistan.

O yea, I'm all about America..isn't our motto "If you don't like it change it'? I mean that is How we broke away from England in the first place.

When enough Americans become convinced that we cannot change things with a vote, we shall just do what we did the last time. Excercise our right to bear arms and remove the Criminal element from within out corrupt Government.

I do not subscribe to a revolutionary attitude, I wish to return America to it's once proud state via the vote, but should that vote not count, I am willing to subscribe to a point of view that would eliminate the problem via Assassination as a last resort.

It is a policy that the US has accepted from israel and has endorsed on it's own merit. It may be the only language understood. It used to be against the law to even suggest Assassination in this country, but the rules have changed and now it is widely and openly proclaimed that we target the leaders of our Enemies. Well we right the rules, we can't complain when we are held to live by them. And America will mourn for a minute and then be free again.

Scott!!