Why is it that no one seems to support the up&comers

[djsadiablo]

I recently tried to start a d'n'b night in seattle for up and coming dj's who aren't getting alot of exposure. What I quickly found out was that no one seems to care. I had several dj's promise to bring by demos or send press packs. The idea was to have me spin for the first two or three weeks to get things started, then give over the slot to a different dj every week. Not only did the dj's not show, we had maybe ten kids show to listen to music. Those that did show all seemed to have a good time and be impressed, and I thank them greatly. Your support was hugely appreciated. Is this just something that happened to me or have others had the same experience. I truly think it's time for some of us to get together and throw some events with some new dj's that can tear it up but aren't being given the chance. We need to start some events with local headliners and openers. If you agree speak out. If enough people come together I'd be down to try and put some money together for just such an event.
Blessings
Andy/Dj Sadiablo

[Tasty]

it takes time to build a following..... it's equally difficult to create interest for the general public who may not be familiar w/ up and coming dj's.

up and coming dj's vary in talent/ performance in public experience - some should not be playing in public yet, and those that are ready to make the big jump.

great way to intruduce up and coming dj's is to work them into lineups w/ local headlining djs that one would recognize etc.....

good luck w/ your venture.

[djsadiablo]

My other problem is that I have a following. I had a fan from LA show up on opening night. There are alot of dj's out there who have small followings that never get billed for parties. I just have mad respect for the guys that keep doing it when they don't get any money from it.

[groovinkim]

it's not just you. many people who have been doing club nights in seattle for long periods of time (years even) have as few as 10 people show up. i'm not sure why, but club nights in general in seattle seem to regularly struggle, particularly midweek club nights. there are few club nights i know of which consistently have a large crowd and even fewer which are making money. in some ways that's a good thing - the people doing it are genuinely in it for the music - but i don't understand the phenomenon either.

i don't want to name specific nights because i'm sure it won't help them for me to single them out.. but there are several club nights i've been to which have a good sound system, great djs, interesting music, and there is still hardly anyone there, even after they've been doing it for several years, flyered it heavily, had it in tablet, seattle weekly, the stranger, minty, etc. etc. so if you started your night recently and there are not many people there, it's not surprising. have you already gotten it listed in all the papers and flyered all the recordshops?

i suppose i'm part of the problem, not part of the solution.. i've been working three jobs and going to school fulltime for most of this year, so i rarely go out during the week. yet i semi-hypocritically complain about this regularly.. it sucks to see people doing good shit and see it ignored.

since you're asking if other who throw events have had the same experience, i'm moving this discussion to the promoters forum...

[Tasty]

since you're asking if other who throw events have had the same experience, i'm moving this discussion to the promoters forum...

Good call on that one, Kim. I shoulda thunk of that too. :P

[djsadiablo]

i do agree with both of you. i talked with another dj/promoter today who is also doing a wednesday night show. he brings in some fairly popular seattle djs. he still only got a handfull of people. 14 to be exact. between the two of us there were 25 people listening to d'n'b on wednesday. if there are others out there who would like to throw a party with all local dj's give me a call or email me. me and my crew did one in LA called Junglist Unity that went over extremely well. I'd like to do one with more than just Jungle though.
blessings
andy
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djsadi@mycingular.com
you can also pm me through nwtekno

[PrincessDingaBitch]

i think that you really have to promote the hell out of the party that you are throwing you also have to sell yourself, basicly, to the raving community. Get lots of your friends to support you first. And tell everyone that you know that you will be having a party. Word of mouth is the fastest way to spread the news. It coo to have upcoming djs play but you also have to have some sort of headliner play as well.

Good luck ;)

[Kid_spAce_raceR]

if i've never heard you spin or heard of you, i'm not going to pay to hear you spin at a club. if it's a club i've never been to or even if i've been there and no one is there, i'm not paying to get in. maybe let people in for free until you get a crowd. it's pretty shitty when you show up to a party thinking, this is different because it's not the usual headliners. but when you look inside there's like two people in there and you still want to charge me. shit, i should charge you.
and dont' try to sell me your cd for $10 if i don't even know who the fuck you are......

i'm all about supporting the local dj's, they keep it going for our scene. but if you want to throw a party to interest me, you gotta charge $5 or less to get in, or throw a house party. something easy, cheap. maybe charge $5 for a cd and i'd think about it

[djsadiablo]

IT IS FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUNGLIST UNITY=NO COVER
AND I DON'T SELL CDS
I DON'T DO THIS TO MAKE MONEY
I DO IT BECAUSE I LOVE DOING IT
AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGG
everyone else had valid points for the most part
sorry for the outburst.

[djowns]

Marketing, marketing, marketing! It's all about proper marketing :)


Your unite can be so awesome, but if no one finds out about it or is coerced into attending, than you my amigo are out of luck.

[djsadiablo]

Thanks to everyone for the good advice. I just got a bunch of bookings over the next few months because of this show and we had a bangin night last time. I really should have been a little more patient, but I was frustrated cuz i went from something to nothing and back to something again. Thanks

[Advent]

Originally posted by Kid_spAce_raceR
if i've never heard you spin or heard of you, i'm not going to pay to hear you spin at a club. if it's a club i've never been to or even if i've been there and no one is there, i'm not paying to get in. maybe let people in for free until you get a crowd. it's pretty shitty when you show up to a party thinking, this is different because it's not the usual headliners. but when you look inside there's like two people in there and you still want to charge me. shit, i should charge you.


I totally agree with you here. When I go out I have high expectations. I won't go to listen to someone i've never heard before unless there's beneifts, those benifits being a cool crowd. If there's no crowd and someone I don't know who's spinning, then I would have to be payed to hang out there. That is unless the Dj impresses me which is a VERY VERY hard thing to do. I don't care if someone is from a different city or country, it does'nt matter to me if I don't know what's going. It always trips me out these canndy kidz are like omigod he's from england!!!

[angry_bob]

gotta have a headliner to draw the heads... ;)

[Tasty]

Originally posted by angry_bob
gotta have a headliner to draw the heads... ;)

agreed... it's called putting bait on the hook to lure them in, to be exposed to new talent...... ;)

Plus, your new talent needs to promote themselves for that night. No promotion - no people showing up......

I feel that it's not solely the promoters responsibility to push the show.... it's also the dj's/ performer's responsibility to raise awareness of upcoming performances, etc.

[Hardstyle Mgmt.]

From what I've viewed in the past few years, too many of these up and comers have no patience and are trying to become rockstars right after their first time playing out. The ones true to themselves and the music will stand out eventually. Its pretty cool that you are giving them a chance, its up to them to take what you are offering and make something out of it.

[iumag]

I am starting a magazine dealing with up and comers, I have recieved very little demos as of late. I am finding it hard to go along with my idea at points, but, I won't give up. I am going to keep building my site, building my followers, and my backing will surely catch the eyes of people.

iumagazine@shaw.ca
iumagazine.com/forums

[angry_bob]

Originally posted by iumag
I am starting a magazine dealing with up and comers, I have recieved very little demos as of late. I am finding it hard to go along with my idea at points, but, I won't give up. I am going to keep building my site, building my followers, and my backing will surely catch the eyes of people.

iumagazine@shaw.ca
iumagazine.com/forums

Werd :)

[groovinkim]

hm. i'm curious how many dancers would or wouldn't attend an event with djs they've never heard of. starting thread in community discussion.