DJs that re-record their vinyl...

[MrMiyagi]

so i was at a Judge Jules show last Sunday... got a chance to have a drink with the man before he went on... anyways, while he was mixing, i was standing behind him and watching him mix for a pretty good while... i noticed something... i noticed that he was almost never using the pitch control to change speeds... every so often he might, but just barely... and his mixes were almost flawless... this lead me to think that he may have re-recorded his vinyl to his speed (around 143-145), or he was playing with a pre-recorded set on CD.... i ruled out the pre-recorded set idea for reasons i cant really explain, just had to be there to see...

anyways, ive heard that Aphrodite re-records his vinyl at times... obviously this has its advantages (like if you want to mix on 3 tables for a mega-mix or whatever)... however, i personally think it takes away some of the talent that comes along with being a DJ... needless to say, i lost some respect for Judge Jules after "seeing" him spin... his songs rocked though...

whats everyone else's opinion on this?

[Charlie Deep]

The skill of DJ-ing is highly overrated anyway. I think club owners should just replace all of their DJ setups with coin-operated jukeboxes.

[James Capricorn]

Originally posted by Charlie Deep
The skill of DJ-ing is highly overrated anyway. I think club owners should just replace all of their DJ setups with coin-operated jukeboxes.

Well, Charlie, that would certainly help to improve the quality of your DJ sets......

[angry_bob]

Originally posted by James Capricorn


Well, Charlie, that would certainly help to improve the quality of your DJ sets......

ouch! :p

[LocDog]

wow. i didn't know people actually re recorded vinyl to have it at a fixed pitch.

[Jizosh]

Maybe he only plays tracks produced in a certain bpm range?

[James Capricorn]

Originally posted by Jizosh
Maybe he only plays tracks produced in a certain bpm range?

That's my vote, too....

[James Capricorn]

Originally posted by angry_bob


ouch! :p

He had it coming. Besides, Chuck knows I love him....

[corbettfields]

Originally posted by James Capricorn


That's my vote, too....

probably true.. i hope... except that teh Judge seems to have in the last 18 months gone from punching peopel in UK clubs 'cause they are standing in front of the booth with a "Judge Cant Mix" T-shirt, and riding many derisive (and really snide) jokes in the likes of Mixmag and Jockey Slut magazine (editors,contribters AND readers letters), to "flawless mixing"....

maybe he practiced? probably just plays 24 records @ 140bpm ..

nitey nite!

[Tronic]

I have heard the same rumor of people such as DJ Irene and Bad Boy Bill.

Not sure if it is true, just noting that the thought of re-recording records so they are all at the same tempo has been mentioned before.

For people such as Irene, BBB, RHV, that do very fast mixing / transitions, it makes more sense. They are sometimes only leaving a track on for 30 - 45 seconds, but it still doesn't really take skill if your records are basically pre-beatmatched.

I have most of my fun mixing together multiple genres that can vary greatly in tempos and getting it to all blend together.

- tronic

[Jizosh]

Another thought...

Why spend all the time and MONEY re-recording your vinyl to a certain bpm when you could just map it all to a specific bpm and play on Final Scratch or something. It seems asinine to do all of that work.

[theperfectcyn]

i seriously doubt there's any re-recording to the same bpm - think about what a pain in the ass it would be to do all that and then press ONE copy (or so) of the record just custom for yourself because you're too lazy to beatmatch? if you're that lazy you're not going to go to all that trouble. talk about re-inventing the wheel. although they are good at what they do, jules and the like aren't really atmosphere builders - they come on full blast and continue at that intensity level, thus pretty much buying/collecting tracks w/similar bpms... dontcha think? i have to fart around with the pitch control because i buy from all bins and all genres and tend to pull from several genres when packing records for a gig due to varied taste. oh, and because i haven't met a pair of techniques whose pitch control wanders less than that of a pair of vestax :)

[Roddimus]

This seems like it belongs more in the DJ section..,

[MrMiyagi]

Originally posted by theperfectcyn
i seriously doubt there's any re-recording to the same bpm - think about what a pain in the ass it would be to do all that and then press ONE copy (or so) of the record just custom for yourself because you're too lazy to beatmatch? if you're that lazy you're not going to go to all that trouble. talk about re-inventing the wheel. although they are good at what they do, jules and the like aren't really atmosphere builders - they come on full blast and continue at that intensity level, thus pretty much buying/collecting tracks w/similar bpms... dontcha think? i have to fart around with the pitch control because i buy from all bins and all genres and tend to pull from several genres when packing records for a gig due to varied taste. oh, and because i haven't met a pair of techniques whose pitch control wanders less than that of a pair of vestax :)

thing is, i knew a few of the songs he played, ant i know they arent anywhere near the 145 range he was playing at (i clocked his BPM like the nerd i am)...

here's something to think about... true, why go to all the trouble re-recording the tracks... then again, with the equipment he has available, he could easily have someone else do it for him...

[Seth Hutton]

Originally posted by Tronic

I have most of my fun mixing together multiple genres that can vary greatly in tempos and getting it to all blend together.

- tronic
And you're one of the best around, T :)

[KidKaBoom]

Yeah, The Judge plays at a very stricky BPM range... never above 145, and always around 140... Its part of who he is... as a sort'a "manufactured" super star DJ..

KABOOM

[Semblance]

hmm, well I DO record my records as I get them, time them, and convert them to mp3s so I can screw around with tracklists & such... but I've never recorded them at anything other than their original pitch... I also don't play mp3s or cds, so I guess maybe I don't belong in this thread?

However, recording records on to mp3s is a great way to manage & organize your records!

[tr0llaccount]

Originally posted by Semblance
However, recording records on to mp3s is a great way to manage & organize your records!

... if you should lose them, god forbid, to fire, theft, etc. you can always go buy final scratch.

i'm going to buy an external hard drive dedicated to this purpose.

[ThrobbingBass]

djs that mix safe always get gassed for being flawless, and djs that perform difficult mixes get crucified for the ones they fuck up.
I was at the Judge Jules show. It kind of reminded me of a teeny-bopper concert with lip synching. It was mostly a personality thing.

You want some djs that bring it real?

J-Rocc
Sandra Collins
UFO!

There's some djs I've been in the booth with that can mix incredibly well, with good track selection, and creativity, playing different sets every show, always busting new mixes, always breaking out new tunes.

The last time I saw Sandra play she forgot tlike 2 cds of her newest shit in the studio, freaked out and said that it was like half of her set, and than proceeded to rock the fuck out of the room.
I saw UFO! mix DnB with radiohead. At Baltic Room he played a punk rock song in the middle of his set.

Those are probably the best examples I can think of djs that mix impeccably, but with a high level of difficulty at the same time.

[Seth Hutton]

Originally posted by ThrobbingBass

You want some djs that bring it real?
Sandra Collins

I second that!

[Sophistik]

Originally posted by MrMiyagi
so i was at a Judge Jules show last Sunday... got a chance to have a drink with the man before he went on... anyways, while he was mixing, i was standing behind him and watching him mix for a pretty good while... i noticed something... i noticed that he was almost never using the pitch control to change speeds... every so often he might, but just barely... and his mixes were almost flawless... this lead me to think that he may have re-recorded his vinyl to his speed (around 143-145), or he was playing with a pre-recorded set on CD.... i ruled out the pre-recorded set idea for reasons i cant really explain, just had to be there to see...

anyways, ive heard that Aphrodite re-records his vinyl at times... obviously this has its advantages (like if you want to mix on 3 tables for a mega-mix or whatever)... however, i personally think it takes away some of the talent that comes along with being a DJ... needless to say, i lost some respect for Judge Jules after "seeing" him spin... his songs rocked though...

whats everyone else's opinion on this?

It might have been a pre-meditated, and practiced set. I saw Tiesto drop like 40 tracks in a little under 2 hours once, and not once did he look like he had to try. But it definatly wasn't pre-recorded.

I think after you go through the motions enough, and practice a routine, you get it down to the point where you don't have to really try to hunt for the speeds.

Either that or the guy has some sort of guidance from the aliens. Try asking to see if he knows the secret of the pyramids. ;)

[eric n]

i also have heard that this is a common practice with supastar djs, repressing tracks to be the same bpm. while it may seem like a huge expense and hassle to you and I, the commonfolk djs and ravers, for big names like that it's not as much of a big deal. vestax makes a vinyl cutter you can get for about 7 grand and I'd bet a few of the supalarge djs have no problem shelling that out and paying their kid brother to do the gruntwork of the recording.

[+Russ]

Well, did Jules' records have the appropriate labels on em?

[desync]

I wouldn't doubt that someone has done it.. but personally I have tons of tracks that play at close the same BPM and don't require me to pitch all that much.

What sucks to me is if I get stuck at the clicky spot with them.

[James Capricorn]

Originally posted by desync

What sucks to me is if I get stuck at the clicky spot with them.

And on the 8th day, God created the MK3D, and it was good......

[desync]

Originally posted by James Capricorn


And on the 8th day, God created the MK3D, and it was good......

I've thought about quit eating so I could buy them. Still sounds like a good idea... :)

[unknownp0et]

I'm thinking it's probably a matter of phenomenal programming.

If you have a bpm counter, a magic marker to put the bpm on the record sleeve and enough records, you could probably program a set that allowed you to not worry about touching the pitch. It'd be great for putting all of your attention into artful mixes... put the record on and go!

I do have a bpm counter on my mixer, but I haven't recorded the bpms on my records. I like fiddling with the pitch too much...

[iammay]

I have very little respect for any "DJ" that rerecords or selects their tracks to all be the same BPM. It' is unnessessary. Take the time to develop some skill and do the work. If you can't make the two records match (given that they gan be matched) YOU ARE NOT A DJ, and YOU DO NOT BELONG BEHIND THE TURNTABLES IN PUBLIC. Leave it to people with skills, there's plenty of us out there.

[pulse_/\/]

do u understand how much money and trouble it would be to re-record your shit on vinyl just for the bpm, why not just suck less and actually match the beats, only way i could justify this is if you use little bits of a record and are constantly swapping.

[Dave_Jumpers]

Originally posted by Jizosh
Maybe he only plays tracks produced in a certain bpm range?

What are the odds that every single record you pick out of the shelf falls right into beat?

Very Slim

[Jizosh]

Originally posted by ?Dave::Jumpers?


What are the odds that every single record you pick out of the shelf falls right into beat?

Very Slim

You may wish to read the posters initial remarks before commenting. He mentioned that he did use the pitch, just not very often. Even if every record was produced at the same bpm, adjustments would still be necessary because turntables are still non-digital.

My point was that it's probably just as likely of a scenario than rerecording all of his vinyl to a certain bpm.

[dr_babbit]

Originally posted by +Russ
Well, did Jules' records have the appropriate labels on em?

this has yet to be answered, and would most likely solve the mystery...

[unknownp0et]

Originally posted by dr_babbit


this has yet to be answered, and would most likely solve the mystery...

http://www.stevehanphoto.com/Clubbing_Pictures/Portfolio/images/01672-Judge%20Jules%20at%20Ruby%20Skye%201-30-03.jpg

White label or re-recorded?