healing rooms

[glo wyrm]

hey all,
after hearing about(and unfortunately not being able to make it to) the healing room at soul sessions, i am feeling very motivated to put myself out there to help with any such rooms in the future. i have been reiki1 attuned for ~8 months now and have always given massage. i am going to be reiki2 attuned sometime quite soon, and not too far off i am going to be taking massage therapy courses. if anyone would like to have a healing room at their party get in touch with me and we can see what can be done. unless a ride can be aranged i am going to stick to the portland/eugene area.
peace n love

neacail

[Star_Dancer]

Yes but is your sacred Chakra *tm* recalibrated and stabilized to the ethereal degree*tm* according to the high hippie cabal*tm*? Only a higher level soul, at least level 37 can have any hope of fullfilling the high hippie prophecy*tm* set down by the lords of meditation*tm*.

Oh I am sorry, it appears that your constitution and charisma are not quit high enough. You can always kill yoruself and roll up a new character. Also I would suggest questing for the high bong of highness*tm* which we all know is a vorporal soul afflector*tm* that does 3d6 points of second hand smoke damage.

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by glo wyrm
i am going to be reiki2 attuned sometime quite soon,

And I just had to say that this statement reminds me of a drive through hippy center. You can get your brakes adjusted and various auto things tuned at a jiffy lube. Do you go to a "Hippie lube" to get your "reiki2" attuned?

[glo wyrm]

very clever charles. i was actualy wanting to alow people to expiriance something that i feel is a healthy and wonderfull thing. do you so lack passion in anything that you must mock others for theirs? or maybe your insulting mode of being is your passion. whichever, it matters to me not. i would just apreciate if you would leave people who are being sirious about things they balieve in alone. you can make fun of me for bad grammer and spelling, for i have pleanty of faults in that department as in many other, but i at least do not feel the need to belittle the faith of others.

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by glo wyrm
very clever charles. i was actualy wanting to alow people to expiriance something that i feel is a healthy and wonderfull thing.


Just how are crystals and tarot cards healing?

Originally posted by glo wyrm

do you so lack passion in anything that you must mock others for theirs?


Yes. It stems from a massive overdose of ritalin as a child. Trust me. I'm serious. Really.

Originally posted by glo wyrm

i would just apreciate if you would leave people who are being sirious about things they balieve in alone.


As long as people are serious about new age DAMNED DIRTY HIPPIE things, then I shall be here to mock them. It's like my destiny, or at least that's what the tarot cards said. I mean, Miss Cleo is never wrong because she is a psychic and I'm sure her "reiki" is fully attuned.

Originally posted by glo wyrm

you can make fun of me for bad grammer and spelling, for i have pleanty of faults in that department as in many other, but i at least do not feel the need to belittle the faith of others.

I don't "feel the need" to belittle faith, it's more of a hobby.

This is a fad, even I almost kinda went through a new age fad once. But then I realized that even though "The Craft" was cool and all, being reiki attuned to the nth degree of the crystal tarot wouldn't make Faruiza Balk let me do her in the butt.

You, just like the christians, have a weak mind and feel the need to have "faith" (said in a very derisive tone) in something greater than yourself. It doesn't exist.

There is no god. There is no magic powers. Tarot cards will just give you general and vague answers that you will take however you want. Touchless massage (whatever it is called) doesn't do anything, it's just you imagining things. You may say you aren't into those things. You are either lieing, or are new to it all. I have yet to meet any DAMNED DIRTY HIPPIE like you who is into this bullshit who doesn't sooner or later turn their "healing alter" into a "magical alter" to some pagan god who they chose out of a random theology book because the name sounds cool. And then they start "doing spells" in baby cauldrons and wearing cloaks and warning people like me about karma and their magical powers. I'm so scared *shudders* that DAMNED DIRTY HIPPIE is going to write my name on a spell and chant for an hour.

One day you will wake up and realize that it is all bullshit, just like most other things in life. When that moment happens, come look for me and I'll let you join my cult.

I hope I made you cry.

Oh and one other thing. No one ever really checks the promoter discussion.

[nubit]

Originally posted by Star_Dancer


Oh and one other thing. No one ever really checks the promoter discussion.
*raises hand*
i do! ;)

cail is a good person trying to do good things.

who cares if he belives what he believes and you believe what you believe.
to each his own.

live and let live.

or dont.

whatever suits you.

i must admit though i do get amusement from you hating on eveyone though :)

[djowns]

Many of us respond via PM, so as we don't have to deal with schenanigans from the likes of yourself... who is in the promoter discussion why? Solely to be obnoxious and a pain in the ass.

[glo wyrm]

Originally posted by Star_Dancer



Just how are crystals and tarot cards healing?
As long as people are serious about new age DAMNED DIRTY HIPPIE things, then I shall be here to mock them. It's like my destiny, or at least that's what the tarot cards said. I mean, Miss Cleo is never wrong because she is a psychic and I'm sure her "reiki" is fully attuned.

i'm very glad you said all of this, because it proves very nicely that you don't know a single thing about what you are mocking. reiki doesn't have anything to do with crystals and tarot cards.(though some use it with crystals) i am also glad because now i can go off a little bit and try my best to give a good description of what reiki is for any who may want to, at the least, know a bit about something before they mock it. reiki is a form of energy healing. also refured to as the laying on of hands. the reasons i have faith is that i have seen again and again profe that reiki works. i can't heal massive head wounds like they are nothing, or anything like that. i have only been doing it for a bit over 8 months. it does heal though. i can take no credit though, for an attunment merely opens you up to alow reiki "energy" to flow through you. i know it sounds all "magickckke" and "john edwards", but we already established that in this case you don't know what you are talking about. reiki also has an quite rich history in japan and hawaii in the past 200 years. when someone is giving or recieving reiki, they feel a sort of tingly warms that is usualysomewhat mild, but can get quite intense. it depends on what you are doing, and how well you have cleared you mind. it usualy leaves someone feeling in a slightly euphoric state. i'll often have someone get so relaxed they will fall asleep.


Originally posted by Star_Dancer
I don't "feel the need" to belittle faith, it's more of a hobby.
This is a fad, even I almost kinda went through a new age fad once. But then I realized that even though "The Craft" was cool and all, being reiki attuned to the nth degree of the crystal tarot wouldn't make Faruiza Balk let me do her in the butt.
You, just like the christians, have a weak mind and feel the need to have "faith" (said in a very derisive tone) in something greater than yourself. It doesn't exist.
There is no god. There is no magic powers. Tarot cards will just give you general and vague answers that you will take however you want. Touchless massage (whatever it is called) doesn't do anything, it's just you imagining things. You may say you aren't into those things. You are either lieing, or are new to it all. I have yet to meet any DAMNED DIRTY HIPPIE like you who is into this bullshit who doesn't sooner or later turn their "healing alter" into a "magical alter" to some pagan god who they chose out of a random theology book because the name sounds cool. And then they start "doing spells" in baby cauldrons and wearing cloaks and warning people like me about karma and their magical powers. I'm so scared *shudders* that DAMNED DIRTY HIPPIE is going to write my name on a spell and chant for an hour.
One day you will wake up and realize that it is all bullshit, just like most other things in life. When that moment happens, come look for me and I'll let you join my cult.

you sure have made a lot of assumptions about what sort of a person i am. i do not folow any god of any religion. i live my life for the moment and feel that being as kind and caring as posable is the best i can worship whatever god there truely is. if there truely is a god. i do not need to believe there is something greater than myself to exist. i have no proof eather way, so i do not assume anything. i never have and never will practice any "magickkcke" (or however they slepp it now adays) i don't feel the need of some magical power to guide my actions because i make every choice for myself in the moment and know that only my own actions matter in what hapens to me.


Originally posted by Star_Dancer

I hope I made you cry.
Oh and one other thing. No one ever really checks the promoter discussion.


nope, no crying for me. i was glad to have the chance to talk a bit about reiki sence it is probably something anyone who would be interested in a healing room would want to know.
aparently you're wrong on no one ever checking promoter discussion too. i would recomend actualy looking up reiki to you and any other who may want to learn more. i highly doubt i would be able to be nearly as informative as sites made specifically to be informative.
peace and love

neacail the happy dancing flower child guy(ok not quite that much, but i gotta ham it up a bit for fun)

[nubit]

Originally posted by glo wyrm
neacail the happy dancing flower child guy

YOU DAMN HIPPIE! ;)

[Star_Dancer]

Actually I do know a bit about what I'm talking about. The dojo where I used to live required us to learn a bit of shiatsu. Tha'ts the Japanese massage. It's all bullshit. I've seen these "healing energy massages" done. It's the gullibility and hopes of the person who is receiving it fooling themselves into believing that they are feeling something.

And I've wrote a few research papers on this type of stuff. Mostly researching it as bullshit. You've only been doing it for 8 months. You'll wake up one day.

And yes I make lots of assumptions, mostly because you fit so nicelly into the stereotype. Whether you are dancing around naked in the woods chanting or not, you are still in a new age religion.

[glo wyrm]

ok,you listed off something other than reiki. all i ask is this: do you know anything about reiki? not things you automatically assume is just like reiki. reiki. have you ever expirienced it? that is all that matters in this conversation. because if not you really don't know what you are talking about. you are making assumptions and raising trouble for no good reason. go feel supirior about something you know if you want, just don't post replys to something i am at all passionate about if you don't have anything to back it up.
peace n love

[Star_Dancer]

Ok I just look it up and read up about it

Still calling bullshit

[glo wyrm]

ok, that's ok. you are entitled your oppinions. i can even see how some may think reiki is BS. i would have at one time too.

[dayglowliquidgrrl]

I think healing rooms are an intersting concept at parties. Reiki works no matter what, but doing it on people under the influence seems to be a more temporary thing. I think for someone to fully experience the benefits and take something from it, they should be of somewhat sober state of mind. I think that the awareness is awesome, as long as its not people wearing it as " i'm an elitist hippy raver....feel my elevated aura, which makes me part of the cool kidz energy club" attitude. Intentions are everything......

[Manoj]

It is true that I don't usually check this section of NWTekno... but I was actually a bit suprised by your comments Charles...

Not because you have your own opinion, which clearly comprises your own experience with certain modalities taught by particular people you have encountered, but rather due to the pointed manner you are pressing your opinions.

It clearly feels as you have made a very broad generalization about the multitude of healing and metaphysical techniques that exist throughout the world. There is no question that there are a number of people who have tried to capitalize on the "The New Age" movement. And it turn there are quite a few people turned off and who have chosen to hold a very negative position towards all metaphysical healing.

But even in science today in the field of Quantum Physics and their study of photons. There is increasingly more and more evidence that the very way we view the world has an effect on how the world arises. There have been blind studies with groups of meditators to see if they can effect crime reduction within a city and it has been reported that the respective cities saw a substantial reduction in crime during that period. Analysis of water molecules and the effect on it based on sounds passing through it showed a distinct effect on the makeup of the molecules after negative and positive words were projected towards the water.

My point in all this is that it sounds as though you have had some unforuneate encounters with people who may have been working deceptively or perhaps you may have not been in a mind set to experience the energy they were speaking... regardless, it seems as though you have found yourself with a perception that doesn't invite or honor others to have their own experience without judgement.

There is some interesting conclusions I have been facing and embracing along my own path... which is that I have found that the way I look at life, either negative or positively, has a dramatic effect on how it arises for me.

From my point of view, with the position you have taken, you have closed the door to experiencing such things largely because you have closed yourself off to it. The conclusions we make have an effect and occasionally it good to review those conclusions to see if they really are serving us or if they are producing negativity for ourselves and towards others.

Since there seems to be such intense reaction around this subject, there might be something important for you to look at.

Manoj

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by Manoj
It is true that I don't usually check this section of NWTekno... but I was actually a bit suprised by your comments Charles...


You wouldn't be the first person.

Originally posted by Manoj

Not because you have your own opinion, which clearly comprises your own experience with certain modalities taught by particular people you have encountered, but rather due to the pointed manner you are pressing your opinions.


*shrug* It's who I am and how I express myself. I try not to be passive aggressive. You deal with stupidity and other inane things that annoy you too much without confronting it and one day you ditch you car on the side of the road because you get tired of being stuck in traffic. Then you hold up a convenience store because the guy behind the counter doesn't speak english. Then you mow down a fast food restaurant because the food doesn't look like the menu.

Originally posted by Manoj

But even in science today in the field of Quantum Physics and their study of photons. There is increasingly more and more evidence that the very way we view the world has an effect on how the world arises. There have been blind studies with groups of meditators to see if they can effect crime reduction within a city and it has been reported that the respective cities saw a substantial reduction in crime during that period. Analysis of water molecules and the effect on it based on sounds passing through it showed a distinct effect on the makeup of the molecules after negative and positive words were projected towards the water.


I don't doubt there are some things out there that I don't believe in that could exist. If I were looking for enlightement though, I wouldn't look for it in an "altar" in the corner of a warehouse party. The majority of people out there who do the meditational crap and all that however, in my experience and sight, are the same ones who try every new fad diet. They just want a quick fix to the fucked up experience that is life

Originally posted by Manoj

My point in all this is that it sounds as though you have had some unforuneate encounters with people who may have been working deceptively or perhaps you may have not been in a mind set to experience the energy they were speaking...


And in my experience most people who do this stuff aren't trying to deceive me so much as deceive themselves and looking for others to validate their daydreams.

Originally posted by Manoj

regardless, it seems as though you have found yourself with a perception that doesn't invite or honor others to have their own experience with judgement.


*shrug* That may be. But I see it as a public service.

Originally posted by Manoj

There is some interesting conclusions I have been facing and embracing along my own path... which is that I have found that the way I look at life, either negative or positively, has a dramatic effect on how it arises for me.


And how long have you been at this? A lot longer than 8 months. Basically anyone can do whatever they want, as long as I don't have to deal with it. It's the same reason why I dislike hippies. They aren't just dirty, but they are activists. People have epiphanies or life changing realizations or whatever and then feel the need/desire to go out and share these things with others piss me off. I don't want to hear about how great their freaky chakras are. I have yet to hear you go on a public forumn and advertise yourself as some mystic wanting to help the masses.

Originally posted by Manoj

From my point of view, with the position you have taken, you have closed the door to experiencing such things largely because you have closed yourself off to it.


My life is fucked up enough as it is without finding god or elnightenment or buddha or whatever is popular this week.


Originally posted by Manoj

Since there seems to be such intense reaction around this subject, there might be something important for you to look at.

Manoj

There's an intense reaction about the atkins diet, doomsday cults, terrorism, etc etc etc.

There will always be some intense reaction about some fad that someone buys into. And they just HAVE TO share it with everyone else. That's what annoys me. And you can say that's fine and not to listen. But it was on a public forumn, and an advert to a much larger audience at parties. As you can see I answered all of your sentiments rationally and without a derogatory aspect. That's because you set them forth logically. I am not just an equal opportunity asshole like everyone says. It's just that everyone posts inane and stupid things.

[monki]

my goodness, charles... *thumb down*

on the subject:

i have encountered both healers and healer-wannabes in this journey. there are those who accept the responsibility and the privillege of working with energy, and those who either are incompetent, untrained, or plainly abusive of this skill in order to boost their ego, social acceptance, or whatever floats their boat.

I can say with confidence that a healer is characterized by some very simple and clear principles: gentleness, knowledge, respect, reverence, non-harmfulness, humility, softness, inner strength, positivity, generocity, and equanimity.

I have mixed feelings about healing rooms at events. I don't think that there can be a general verdict. I think that at some events the idea works very well, but there are those events where it may be simply disastrous.

It all depends on the intention of the promoter and the effort of the team. A dancing gathering is by nature an energy powerhouse. If the musical programming and the idea of the gathering mean for transformation of consciousness, then the healing room is a catalyst as much as every record played. If, on the other hand, the event is just to have a good ol' party, then the healing room may become a travesty.

In whichever case, this is a healthy discussion and I appreciate it.

Aris

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by monki
my goodness, charles... *thumb down*


Whatever Aris. I respect you as a person, but not as a metaphysical being.

I get argued with by damned dirty hippies. They have the same characteristics as christians in my view. Christians are taught that they have to go and "spread the word" of jesus and all that crap. That it is their spiritual duty to convert people.

Hippies and "healers" and all the rest of you seem to think that it is their moral obligation to "cure me of my apathy". I get bitched at for not voting, for not caring about anything about me. So I feel it is both my right and duty to make fun of them in return.

It's like the kids who go to their first rave, take E, and then become candy kids. And then you see them around town, not just at parties, sporting their candy so that everyone knows who they are. These people somehow find some spiritual enlightenment and 8 months of reading webpages and Llewellyn Press books they are placing adverts to try to spread their word, their "energy" at parties so that everyone knows that they are new age spiritualistic hippies.

Everyone of you may give me the "thumbs down" for being so apathetic and mean, but I give you all the "thumbs down" for caring and being taken in by this crap.

[Manoj]

You know we each make our own journey through this life... of course you are welcome to approach it whatever way you wish Charles. For myself, I just wanted to reflect a point of view that you might find beneficial in contemplating.

As I have mentioned, I have found that negativity attracts negativity and a genuinely positive attitude also attracts the like. I found this through my own tracking of negativity, which I often find myself stuck in as well. In coming to this realization in my own life, I can't but wish to at least point out the potential of considering this concept and its implications to others who seem to be caught in their own negative trip.

I sense there is something valuable in what you want to convey. Because it is so charged with generalized judgements, I feel that it makes it much more difficult to find the value in it. I think at that time you lose value in being a public servant sharing objective insights and move towards a person complaining about and projecting internal judgements.

We can't change others but we can definitely work on ourselves... so I am going to get back to my own work.

I wish you the best on your journey.

Manoj

[monki]

charles, the thumbs down are simply for your impolite manner and dirty mouth. If you feel respect, you feel it all the way. Spare me the rations of your respect! Respect towards me means nothing if you don't respect yourself...

i agree with manoj. you have something that you are trying to convey that is valuable, but you shoot yourself in the foot.

think about it... if it really is those who are pressing their enlightenment on you that bothers you (which is quite an egomaniac delusion if you ask me, as this post has nothing to do with you personally), then you are doing exactly the same thing. No wonder it bothers you on others, for deeply inside it bothers you in you.

your message may be different, but your way is the same as the way that you say bothers you.

And if i am not mistaken, when i met you you sported quite the poundage of candy on you, so be careful what you judge!
:)
Peace brother!

Aris

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by Manoj

As I have mentioned, I have found that negativity attracts negativity and a genuinely positive attitude also attracts the like. I found this through my own tracking of negativity, which I often find myself stuck in as well. In coming to this realization in my own life, I can't but wish to at least point out the potential of considering this concept and its implications to others who seem to be caught in their own negative trip.


I like negativity. Insipid happiness annoys me.

Originally posted by Manoj

I sense there is something valuable in what you want to convey. Because it is so charged with generalized judgements, I feel that it makes it much more difficult to find the value in it. I think at that time you lose value in being a public servant sharing objective insights and move towards a person complaining about and projecting internal judgements.


It's hard to say anything more than general statements when talking about philisophy... at least in my experience


Originally posted by Manoj

We can't change others but we can definitely work on ourselves... so I am going to get back to my own work.


Sure we can. The military and religious schools have been doing it for ages. Though when I try to change someone usually it's labelled as "torture"

[Star_Dancer]

Originally posted by monki
charles, the thumbs down are simply for your impolite manner and dirty mouth. If you feel respect, you feel it all the way. Spare me the rations of your respect! Respect towards me means nothing if you don't respect yourself...


I do respect myself. Respecting yourself doesn't give you boundless love and respect for everyone else. I have standards

And what dirty mouth? Damned Dirty Hippies? That's hardly dirty and has become something of a slogan around me. Sarcasm, no matter how harsh, does not equate to a "dirty mouth".

Originally posted by monki

i agree with manoj. you have something that you are trying to convey that is valuable, but you shoot yourself in the foot.


Only because you are on the same "journey". *shrug* You don't agree with me. I didn't expect you to.

Originally posted by monki

think about it... if it really is those who are pressing their enlightenment on you that bothers you (which is quite an egomaniac delusion if you ask me, as this post has nothing to do with you personally), then you are doing exactly the same thing. No wonder it bothers you on others, for deeply inside it bothers you in you.


Ridiculing someone for their beliefs is not an attempt on my part to force my own beliefs upon them. It just means I think they are stupid.

Originally posted by monki

your message may be different, but your way is the same as the way that you say bothers you.


Does that mean I can set up an assisted suicide alter at the free love vibe plur party of my choice?


Originally posted by monki

And if i am not mistaken, when i met you you sported quite the poundage of candy on you, so be careful what you judge!
:)
Peace brother!

Aris

That was what... two weeks after I took E for the first time? Go figure.

[glo wyrm]

oh my where to start. first off, charles, you have some very good points. you also have some unresonable assumptions. i agree with you fullheartedly that it is stupid and anoying when people try to force their beliefs on others. i also get rather frustrated who take something that has a great potential(spirituality, or whatever you wanna call it) and turning it into just another object that they can use to identify themselves as a person. i can't be too bothered when people do this though, for it is something most everyone alive does with something. i do i myself with things too. i have done it with reiki i know(though i try not to). you seem to get your sence of self by what you don't believe in, and what you are supirior too. i'm not critisyzing that, you have made that choice and it seems to work for you. i have never had the intention of changing the veiws of you or any other people who think reiki and other such things are BS. in wanting to have healing rooms i want to make something more available to those who do have interest. who knows, i may even be able to give some of those people who are using the idea of reiki and spirituality to feel better about themselves a bit of a verbal bitch slapping. i am not sure where the idea was gotten that i am searching or trying to spread "enlightenment" through shrines and healing rooms. it is merely something i wish to alow people the chance to be exposed to. after that they can make their own judgments on it and i wish them happyness whatever they decide. monki makes a good point that some parties are apropriate for healing rooms, and some just wouldn't work at all. that is a part of why i made the original healing room post. to find people who wanted the kind of parties where a healing room would be a welcom and nice thing. charles, you keep talking about how the hippies are forcing their veiws on you. was i trying to force my veiws on you with my original post? i admit i wanted you to read up on reiki, but that wasn't to change your mind about anything. just so you wouldn't be compleatly speaking out of your ass with your reiki bashing. i am always open to a reasonable debate, but needless insulting and assumption making are hardly a reasonable debate. i would also like to point out that i have never been a candy kid. i have worn candy once or twice, and never more than one or two simple peices from friends. i am also not claiming to be any sort of enlightened teacher. i am still very young and have lots and lots to learn. i am just trying to share what little i have been exposed to with those who may enjoy it. not forcing it on anyone. in closing, i do think charles is founded in his dislike for those who follow every fad and jump on every bandwagon they can get too, but i also think that his generalization of all things spiritual or "hippy-ish" is keeping him from being able to rationally think about some things that he automatically groups in to his bullshit file.

[glo wyrm]

ok, if anyone wants to see me in action. you should go to stompin in da woods2. i am going to be having a free massage and reiki area there. i urge promoters who may be interested in having hands of light(that is the name) at their parties to come and chack it out and see if you like what i bring to a party.
peace n love

glo wyrm