Attn: Promoters, Zodiac's Still Wack

[pi_unlimited]

Please see the original thread:
http://nwtekno.org/vb/showthread.ph...102#post1106102

To all those wondering why the big name DJ’s aren’t coming to this party is because Zodiac, particularly its owner Cethe, were extremely unprofessional in their involvement with Pi. Pi booked and paid for the big name DJ’s with the understanding that Cethe and his company would contribute to expenses, as anyone would expect when entering into a business agreement. But because Cethe and his cracker jack company can’t handle working with the likes of Pi, and because Cethe talks a lot more game that he can actually deliver, he and Zodiac decided to cancel all pre arranged agreements leaving we here at Pi not only responsible for paying the talent, but also threatening our reputation as professionals within this business. We hold our reputation in great standing and we’ve never canceled a show, even when it became apparent that we were in fact going to loose money. Why did we do this? Because we owe it to ourselves, our associates and to you our patrons. Listen people, this guy and his company are fucking perpetrators, Cethe wants to play “rave promoter”, but when it comes to loosing money for the sake of bringing you a quality show, he’s no where to be found to pay his share.

Here’s the thing, we didn’t even want to be involved with this show, our company is now developing into a record company – which will be distributed by Warlock and Red – and we frankly have better things to worry about then dealing with pretend promoters like Cethe who can’t even pay his company’s bills. So we thought it would be appropriate that we bring our case to you kids, who have always been so good us, so that you will be aware of whose show your going to. As you’ve probably observed, Seattle’s scene has been on a decline as of late and its because of punks like Cethe, misrepresenting what he and his company is about and therefore cheapening the scene. Oh, and for those interested, Zodiac is far from 5 years old, in fact, that’s when this fucking punk started going to raves…now how hard core is that?

Cethe, we want our money – if we really wanted to embarrass you, we could tell all these people the little amount your running from us over. If we are not paid within 1 week, any DJ’s who plays at any of your parties – ever again, will not be doing business with us or companies we deal with (and there’s a lot). To the DJ’s planning on playing this or any other Zodiac party, we will be involved in some major shows beginning fall to promote our record releases and as previously stated, our label will be nationally distributed, so we encourage you not to deal with this punk so that we can potentially do business in the future and because doing business with people like this is not in your best interest. We will contact all major booking agents, with whom we have very good relationships with (because we pay our DJ’s), and we promise you will not be able to book any talent outside Washington State. Lastly, we hope that you enjoy throwing parties in your Mom’s back yard because we will ensure that no major Seattle venue will allow you to throw a show.

Cethe, contact Christian

[edotdj]

Did Cethe sign any sort of contracts or paperwork with you?

For such a professional, seasoned production company, one would think that you'd not only do contracts, but require money upfront.

Make sure Zodiac can't get any major seattle venues? Give me a break.

I also find it silly that you'd attempt to peanalize djs who choose to play parties for cethe. i know that would hurt you more than him.

Lastly, let's not forget we've had two brand spankin new rave generations. It's been what? 2 years now since Pi's LL3? Everyone knows zodiac.

The fact of the matter is, people know Cethe and people like Cethe.

I hope you people can resolve your issues.

[DJMystic79]

Originally posted by pi_unlimited
Please see the original thread:
http://nwtekno.org/vb/showthread.ph...102#post1106102

To all those wondering why the big name DJ’s aren’t coming to this party is because Zodiac, particularly its owner Cethe, were extremely unprofessional in their involvement with Pi. Pi booked and paid for the big name DJ’s with the understanding that Cethe and his company would contribute to expenses, as anyone would expect when entering into a business agreement. But because Cethe and his cracker jack company can’t handle working with the likes of Pi, and because Cethe talks a lot more game that he can actually deliver, he and Zodiac decided to cancel all pre arranged agreements leaving we here at Pi not only responsible for paying the talent, but also threatening our reputation as professionals within this business. We hold our reputation in great standing and we’ve never canceled a show, even when it became apparent that we were in fact going to loose money. Why did we do this? Because we owe it to ourselves, our associates and to you our patrons. Listen people, this guy and his company are fucking perpetrators, Cethe wants to play “rave promoter”, but when it comes to loosing money for the sake of bringing you a quality show, he’s no where to be found to pay his share.

Here’s the thing, we didn’t even want to be involved with this show, our company is now developing into a record company – which will be distributed by Warlock and Red – and we frankly have better things to worry about then dealing with pretend promoters like Cethe who can’t even pay his company’s bills. So we thought it would be appropriate that we bring our case to you kids, who have always been so good us, so that you will be aware of whose show your going to. As you’ve probably observed, Seattle’s scene has been on a decline as of late and its because of punks like Cethe, misrepresenting what he and his company is about and therefore cheapening the scene. Oh, and for those interested, Zodiac is far from 5 years old, in fact, that’s when this fucking punk started going to raves…now how hard core is that?

Cethe, we want our money – if we really wanted to embarrass you, we could tell all these people the little amount your running from us over. If we are not paid within 1 week, any DJ’s who plays at any of your parties – ever again, will not be doing business with us or companies we deal with (and there’s a lot). To the DJ’s planning on playing this or any other Zodiac party, we will be involved in some major shows beginning fall to promote our record releases and as previously stated, our label will be nationally distributed, so we encourage you not to deal with this punk so that we can potentially do business in the future and because doing business with people like this is not in your best interest. We will contact all major booking agents, with whom we have very good relationships with (because we pay our DJ’s), and we promise you will not be able to book any talent outside Washington State. Lastly, we hope that you enjoy throwing parties in your Mom’s back yard because we will ensure that no major Seattle venue will allow you to throw a show.

Cethe, contact Christian

can't you contact cethe directly instead of posting this piece of crap on here for the world to see? PMs work you know...plus we all love Cethe. :D

[Tekno_Kid]

cethe rocks!

[~Sluty~Scooby~]

Originally posted by DJMystic79


can't you contact cethe directly instead of posting this piece of crap on here for the world to see? PMs work you know...plus we all love Cethe. :D

Its not about that... when a booking is canceled by law of the contract that you the promotor signed with the agent full payment is still required, so if someone was running from me this is where i would bring it also. PI has been out of the game for awhile and to step back into it and get screwed is bullshit... Sucks this happend to the guys at PI and hope everything works out with the record label!

[pi_unlimited]

please see original thread:
http://nwtekno.org/vb/showthread.php?postid=1106457#post1106457

This is our last response regarding this matter, at least in this forum. We apologize if we offended any of you and we did not want to bring it to this, but it is what it is. Unfortunately, Cethe is misrepresenting the situation, which given how he’s dealt with us, is not very surprising. We made every effort to make this party phat, including getting contracts with all the big name DJ’s, paying both companies shares of the DJ costs (with the understanding that we would actually receive Zodiac’s share), providing a high quality flyer design, sending them to print, paying both companies’ shares of the design and printing costs (and by the way, Cethe has seen the design, he’s made comments and we did have plans to meet up with him to give him some…and if that’s not the case then I don’t know why the hell I have 20,000 flyers in the back of my car), as well as setting up an info line for the party.

...what really happened is that when things started to come together, Cethe realized he was over his head, got cold feet and stopped returning calls. We made several efforts to contact him with every intension of being polite and professional but we still never heard anything. In our view, if some perpetrator wants to misrepresent himself then it should not go unrecognized and we thought you all oughtta know as well. More than that, if we can do anything to eliminate suckas like this from the scene, we figure that it can only make it better. As someone wrote, and I’m paraphrasing here, when it comes down to brass tacks, its all about who comes to the show, that’s what makes the scene…that may be so, but if there’s no shows to go to then there’s no way to support his party, and that my friends is our intension.

As for us, like we wrote before, we have been highly involved with the launch of our record label. I realize that we haven’t been in Seattle lately, but we live in a huge country folks and there are a lot of opportunities out there. Not only have we been establishing our record label and distribution, we have been involved in several shows in NYC and Chicago. In fact I am writing you all from NYC at this very moment. So, as you can see…we’ve been very busy, too busy to fuck with unprofessional people who can’t meet their obligations, so we decided to share this disappointment with you all, because you oughtta know what kinda person you’re dealing with. Again, we apologize if we’ve offended anyone…but if you hate us, its nothing new to us and there’s nothing a few paragraphs is going to change.

We love the music, the scene and our hometown…and of course all of you, even if you hate us at this moment. We hope to see you soon at one of our shows in Seattle, look for us Mondays and Saturdays at the Premier and we will be updating you on our record releases….thanks again.

[Gucci Smoochies]

Maybe I'm just confused but why don't you respond with this in one of your various threads instead of making yet another one regarding the same matter? I understand you want to make this situation well known and that you want to inform the public about your side but at the same time, all you seem to be doing is creating a negative, slightly whiney impression of PI productions. I would put this statement in one of your existing threads, if anything it will make the Mod's happier. Just a suggestion. I do hope you and Cethe can come to a mutual conclusion. He's a good guy and a good friend. Good luck with your record label, regardless of the outcome with Zodiac.

[**BISCUIT**]

Originally posted by kyd_beeker


I know Cethe has some beef with you guys now, but you can't threaten all the other DJ's playing this bro. You ask for the peoples feedback...and the DJ's are also "the people" who make the parties happen...i don't know any of you with PI...

It sounds like you have a good standing with people in the party scene back in the day...and I'm glad things are going good for your record company...I was excited to come play Cethe's party along with yours...to actually meet you guys and give you your props...but i guess not anymore.

I have nothing to do with "Him backing out" on you...

The way your going about this is wrong yo!!! Don't threaten people you don't know...

Seems like as of lately this scene is just nothing BUT drama...

I'm gonna play this show if it's still going off....not because someone backed out...or this or that happened....

You can black flag me or whatever you WANT to do....cause I don't give a shit...I'm a party rocker...gawd damnit....why is it so hard to be a DJ in Seattle??? FUCK!!! I just want to play records....

I know other DJ's out there are like...should I say something?? No, if I do...then people may not like me....but you know what...FUCK THAT...I've got a voice and I'm gonna use it to.....I AIN'T GONNA SIT HERE AND KISS YOUR ASS TO PLAY A SHOW...OR SHOWS IN THE FUTURE...

There's 2 fuckin pennies for you!
SUCK IT!

Respect isn't given to you...it's earned!!!

KYD BEEKER

Werd!

ya know what PI... if you've got a problem, bring it up w/ cethe. And if you have, so be it. You don't need to spam everywhere.

as far as "Flagging" certaind DJs that play a party. You've got to be flippin kidding me...

Grow up.

That's like saying you won't play with suzy cause she is friends with colleen...

that's little girl recess ish right there...

Let the people that play music, do it for the love and for the peole that wanna hear it. Don't censor DJs because of show's they play...



peace
-Mike

[dubplaya]

as far as "Flagging" certaind DJs that play a party. You've got to be flippin kidding me...

Grow up.



Amen.

Peace
Mode 4

[DJMystic79]

and that's great and all and i hope they work everything out with Cethe but instead of spamming it all over the place why don't they contact him directly again?

[Jizosh]

I merged the two threads.

Lets try to at least keep the bickering inside the same thread, ok?

[[CHIA]]

Originally posted by pi_unlimited
As you’ve probably observed, Seattle’s scene has been on a decline as of late and its because of punks like Cethe, misrepresenting what he and his company is about and therefore cheapening the scene. Oh, and for those interested, Zodiac is far from 5 years old, in fact, that’s when this fucking punk started going to raves…now how hard core is that?
LOL! You're so full of shit. I would much rather have a promoter who's only been going to parties for a year who's doing it for the RIGHT REASONS than one who's been going for 10 years & sees money sighns above everyone's head. The 'scene' has been in decline since 98 and you fucking know it. The Zodiac crew are some of the few that put heart into their parties, they're not putting them on for the purpose of making money; so fucking what if they're not the best business people. I remember a certain production company who didn't exactly have their shit together at one time either,[which I experienced first hand] and I don't think there was ever any negative spam all over the board about it. Anyway, you're not fooling anyone, this isn't going to hurt Cethe, and you've made yourself seem like a big fucking asshole for even posting this. And how the hell is telling people the 'little amount that Cethe is running from you over' going to embarass HIM!? Oh, I see..it would embarass him because it would show that he doesn't have much money. HOW HORRIBLE! It's obvious where your intentions lie..'DOING BUSINESS'. Keep the bullshit off the board & quit causing unneccesary drama. FECK!

[[CHIA]]

Originally posted by pi_unlimited
If we are not paid within 1 week, any DJ’s who plays at any of your parties – ever again, will not be doing business with us or companies we deal with (and there’s a lot). To the DJ’s planning on playing this or any other Zodiac party, we will be involved in some major shows beginning fall to promote our record releases and as previously stated, our label will be nationally distributed, so we encourage you not to deal with this punk so that we can potentially do business in the future and because doing business with people like this is not in your best interest.
!!!!!!fuck!! what an asshole!!!!!!!

[Parabolic_Recs]

[i]
If we are not paid within 1 week, any DJ’s who plays at any of your parties – ever again, will not be doing business with us or companies we deal with (and there’s a lot). To the DJ’s planning on playing this or any other Zodiac party, we will be involved in some major shows beginning fall to promote our record releases and as previously stated, our label will be nationally distributed, so we encourage you not to deal with this punk so that we can potentially do business in the future and because doing business with people like this is not in your best interest. We will contact all major booking agents, with whom we have very good relationships with (because we pay our DJ’s), and we promise you will not be able to book any talent outside Washington State.
Cethe, contact Christian [/B]

How is this relevant to your business situation? Threatening DJs and artists that happen to play for Cethe in order to apply pressure to Zodiac is completely illogical considering they have absolutely nothing to do with this situation. In fact, I fail to see anything 'professional' about making threats, drawing people into a situation they have no control over (believe it or not, but not everyone reads NWTekno, so some of those DJs you just threatened will have no way of defending themselves), and the manner in which you've approached this situation in general.

I'm not going to choose sides since I don't know the whole situation, but seriously, you have to take partial responsibility for not entering into your involvement with Zodiac with a written contract w/ a clause detailing the penalty for pulling out of the contract prematurely and/or not being able to fullfill the terms of the contract. Simple. That way you have your ass covered in the event something like this happens.

If you're frustrated wtih this situation, you're going to be in for a rude awakening if you're starting a label...because it's 10x worse than this. I hope you've consulted an entertainment laywer before signing a contract with any distributor, and just an fyi you're going to be luckily to break even unless you have an international distributor...stateside sales are in the mud.

[Tekno_Kid]

Originally posted by pi_unlimited
and if that’s not the case then I don’t know why the hell I have 20,000 flyers in the back of my car


the real question is.. why do you have 20000 flyers for an outdoor at the beach that is less than 5 weeks away.. lol :rolleyes:

[sam-i-am262]

Did you really think threatning people would be the most professional tactic you could use?

bah.... whata bunch of idiots. Pi 4-eva man! :rolleyes:

[djJisaan]

I know that most of the DJ's that are playing for Cethe volunteer their services just because they always have such a good time at their parties. Negative energy...BAD! BAD!

Go to time out now!

DAMIEN! Leave the little boys alone you pedaphile!

Joel

[DJ DAMIEN D]

Just party and shut the fuck up.

[mightymouse]

IT is pretty unprofessional to post this on nwtekno
But hell it is not my beezwax

"Any DJ’s who plays at any of your parties – ever again, will not be doing business with us or companies "

Wow how lame.... what the hell should you care if a dj just wants to play their music.
They have nothing to do with your "issue” I am not going to pull out of a show cause I am afraid some one won't book me / that is weak I made an agreement regardless of your dispute.
I’m not just playing for a promoter; I’m playing for the kids that are coming out to see me. I will not disappoint them because there is some conflict that neither I, nor any of the people coming to see me have anything to do with.

[XxStarLitxX]

why dont all of u kiss ass and get along! ;)

I'm just kidding. This is one of the reasons the seattle rave scene has been getting smaller and smaller every year. I'm not blaming any promotors in particular, but its like one big war in which all of you compete with eachother. Music should bring people together, I don't see any of that happening anymore.

I'm behind zodiac 100%

[djJisaan]

You did kill Ferdy...didn't you? That was our love child.

Joel

[groovinkim]

Originally posted by pi_unlimited
To all those wondering why the big name DJ’s aren’t coming to this party is because Zodiac, particularly its owner Cethe, were extremely unprofessional in their involvement with Pi. Pi booked and paid for the big name DJ’s with the understanding that Cethe and his company would contribute to expenses, as anyone would expect when entering into a business agreement. But because Cethe and his cracker jack company can’t handle working with the likes of Pi, and because Cethe talks a lot more game that he can actually deliver, he and Zodiac decided to cancel all pre arranged agreements leaving we here at Pi not only responsible for paying the talent, but also threatening our reputation as professionals within this business.


hmm. that ain't good. but i'm confused. so you're paying the djs, but they aren't playing? does that mean you're throwing a separate event with the djs that were going to play at his event since you're paying them?

so you had a pre-arranged agreement where he was going to give you x amount of money by x date and he flaked?

Cethe, we want our money – if we really wanted to embarrass you, we could tell all these people the little amount your running from us over. If we are not paid within 1 week, any DJ’s who plays at any of your parties – ever again, will not be doing business with us or companies we deal with (and there’s a lot). We will contact all major booking agents, with whom we have very good relationships with (because we pay our DJ’s), and we promise you will not be able to book any talent outside Washington State. Lastly, we hope that you enjoy throwing parties in your Mom’s back yard because we will ensure that no major Seattle venue will allow you to throw a show.


i don't know if publicly threatening people is an effective technique to get your money back. but if you are going to do it, it makes more sense to threaten cethe directly... not the DJs who are playing at his events or might be asked to play for him in the future.

[Cethe]

not to drag everyone into this, but since you asked...

Our investors backed out from this show because you did not follow through with your side of the agreement, concerning fliers (something I still havn't even seen the design for, let alone had any to distribute

that is why we canceled the headliners, a decision you were as much of a part of as me.

"...but when it comes to loosing money for the sake of bringing you a quality show, he’s no where to be found to pay his share."
me not able to suck it up for a loss? anyone can tell you that on multiple shows i've lost countless $$, in fact we've never made a profit on a show, passing along any extra $ to performers & support staff. All in the name of a good show. (so far this show included)

yes zodiac has been around for 5 years, supporting events, decorations & promotions. Earthdance '99 was our first official show we were involved with. my first party, btw was in 92.

note...since his original post chrstian and I have talked & "worked things out" however again he has not followed through with the agreement. including the editing of his post in the original party thread, and the deletion of this thread. (partially why it took me this long to answer.)

if anyone else has questions I would be happy to answer them in private.

[**BISCUIT**]

WooT!

Go Cethe

**Does a little Dance**

Down with PI! :D

[XxStarLitxX]

Originally posted by djJisaan
You did kill Ferdy...didn't you? That was our love child.

Joel


lol he wanted beer

[DJ DAMIEN D]

Originally posted by XxStarLitxX
why dont all of u kiss ass and get along! ;)

I'm just kidding. This is one of the reasons the seattle rave scene has been getting smaller and smaller every year. I'm not blaming any promotors in particular, but its like one big war in which all of you compete with eachother. Music should bring people together, I don't see any of that happening anymore.

I'm behind zodiac 100%

And I'm behind you 100%.lol.

[DJ DAMIEN D]

BLAH BLAH BLAH. DID PI JUST SAY SOMETHING? I'M SORRY I WASN'T LISTENING. WHAT WAS THAT?

[sam-i-am262]

whomp whomp whomp whomp!! wha wha whomp!! whomp!! whomp!!

[DJ DAMIEN D]

EGA GA GA EGAGA GA.

[djJisaan]

Remember Laygoland 1....I threw the party at NAF the week before called 1492. Micro's CD release...remember? Hey dude...remove this thread. Rich Uncle Skeleton is a proud part of Zodiac, and this public bashing of an honest promotion company could adversely affect our name....and that would make me unhappy. The promoter wars are pretty much dead...let's leave them that way. Welcome back PI...you threw some quality parties back in the day, and we are all very interested in what you can do in the future. Our all ages party scene is pretty close nowadays. We all know each other, and support each other. LEt's keep it friendly...mmmmmk?

Joel

[-=Ryan=-]

Originally posted by djJisaan
[BI threw the party at NAF the week before called 1492. Micro's CD release...remember?

Joel [/B]




I remember that party! I did not know that was you Joel. I had a blast that night :D

[k1e0x]

grr.. dra-ma :(

[A.K.A Liz]

WoW! Cause I think this is the first time I have ever seen this sord of thing happen throwing parties.... Common now... It's always dissapointing when $$ falls through. Unfortunately it happens a lot, the dwindling state of the scene is cause for lack of financial accessibility, among other things. If we had a thread for every time $$ situations were unclear between promotors, or just in the involvement of an event... There would have to be a whole discussion forum for it. But I guess there's a reason why there isn't a public post for every mishap...

I don't know first-hand either side for sure, down to every fact. But I know Cethe, and I have seen him put on a good time more than once or twice. If investors backed out there's nothing that can be done... obviously, but if someone doesn't have the $$ to lose, I think, personally, it is much more dignified to cancel whatever agreements were made under previous financial preperations A.S.A.P, as opposed to throwing an event anyway, and still owing $$... but gaining the credit for the show as well.

That being said, I also think that your approach to the situation was a bit immature. I remember PI shows back in the day.... good shit...
... It's always a good idea to breath, relax, and think before making cheap threats in an effort to get people on your side of an argument that could (and probably will) be over so shortly that it becomes irrelevant almost as soon as you hit "enter"

My 2 cents....

[djthebandit]

My experience with the "Zodiac's" has always been good. Much respect to Cethe, in my opinion he always seems like he knows what he is doing and he is doing it for the right reasons.

I just don't understand why people bitch about other promoters on this board. Contact him directly or just leave it, that's professional. Not this bitching on the board, in my opinion that is very childish. Once again this seems to be a story with a lot of miscommunication.

Anyway good luck Zodiac, looking forward to your parties!!!

[adreezy]

This thread is so lame. If you have a problem with somebody, PM them. It's not like anybody here agrees with Pi anyways.

[sam-i-am262]

Originally posted by -=Ryan=-
I remember that party! I had a blast that night :D
.....me too!!

[DJMystic79]

Originally posted by adreezy
This thread is so lame. If you have a problem with somebody, PM them. It's not like anybody here agrees with Pi anyways.

i agree with you. Unfortunetly people get a kick out of starting stupid shit publically without talking to the individual in private. It's all getting out of hand.

[djthebandit]

Originally posted by DJMystic79


i agree with you. Unfortunetly people get a kick out of starting stupid shit publically without talking to the individual in private. It's all getting out of hand.

you took the words out of my mouth.

[RaVerSteckel]

yo lets stopt teh drama b4 all the shiit hits the fan. yo if you got troubles wit cethe than FUCKING DEAL WITH it and dont go threating dj's and shiit they make the scene JUST AS MUCH EVEN MORE SOMETIMES thaan the kidz ta tparty in it. i mean shit i go to see certain dj'[s play and waat not. like im sooo SICK OF THIS FUCKING DRAMA YO this scene is going to hell and we need to bring it back. NO MORE DRAMA, NO MORE TROUBLES cant we just parrty? come on seattle we seen a lot and shiit YO LETS GET THROUGH THIS. i want the SCENE OUT OF THE TOILET. yo i hope you and cethe get ur shit settled cause it needs to but dont target people tat have nothing to do with cethe going "cold feet" and shiit. DEAL WIT IT YO stop the drama leave it at the door and return to the partyt....

[sam-i-am262]

Originally posted by RaVerSteckel
yo lets stopt teh drama b4 all the shiit hits the fan. yo if you got troubles wit cethe than FUCKING DEAL WITH it and dont go threating dj's and shiit they make the scene JUST AS MUCH EVEN MORE SOMETIMES thaan the kidz ta tparty in it. i mean shit i go to see certain dj'[s play and waat not. like im sooo SICK OF THIS FUCKING DRAMA YO this scene is going to hell and we need to bring it back. NO MORE DRAMA, NO MORE TROUBLES cant we just parrty? come on seattle we seen a lot and shiit YO LETS GET THROUGH THIS. i want the SCENE OUT OF THE TOILET. yo i hope you and cethe get ur shit settled cause it needs to but dont target people tat have nothing to do with cethe going "cold feet" and shiit. DEAL WIT IT YO stop the drama leave it at the door and return to the partyt....
You know when you watch Peanuts & the teachers & parents are talking to Charlie Brown but all he hears is, "......whomp, whomp, whomp, whomp?" When I read your post all I could see was, ".....YO, yo, YO, yo yo YO! *hehehe......

;)

[adreezy]

Originally posted by DJMystic79


i agree with you. Unfortunetly people get a kick out of starting stupid shit publically without talking to the individual in private. It's all getting out of hand.

WAY out of hand.

[**BISCUIT**]

Originally posted by sam-i-am262

You know when you watch Peanuts & the teachers & parents are talking to Charlie Brown but all he hears is, "......whomp, whomp, whomp, whomp?" When I read your post all I could see was, ".....YO, yo, YO, yo yo YO! *hehehe......

;)

hahahahaha :D

love it!

[djJisaan]

Didn't realize so many of today's party people went to our biggest party ever....oh Ryan...what's up with that PM I sent you? PM me.

Joel