Potential / new years eve / 2004 / The story

[djowns]

The story from some one other than a party kid!


Well the potential show was everything I wanted it to be and more as far as attendance. Our real problem came with the venue though. As much as we'd planned and cordinated, and spent many many hours making that place work, a lot of things were not presented to us, and a lot of things were not honestly discussed on the venues behalf. Sure enough, half way through the night I was pleased to discover the fire marshall had never even been in that venue. They should have told me that weeks before, so we could take care of it. However, they did not.

What shut the party down were the venue's issues. Shoddy electrical wiring, non lit exit ways... they really just didn't come through on their end. Luckily, the first fire marshall was cool, and approved the venue and was fine. He asked for a few minor changes and was then happy to leave us, and just said we were to regulate traffic. Than, not more than an hour later a different fire marshall came who was just out to shut the show down. I spent the better part of 40 minutes meeting the mans demands to adjust the entire venue, and than, after all that work, he told me to shut it down anyways.


So, despite that problem, what potential did do was bring out a shit load of people! We had both inside rooms packed, the parking lot, and than a line around the block. When was the last time that happened in portland? Not in a very long time...


I believe this, at the very least, showed people the potential that portland has. This isn't dead, and people aren't willing to let it die.

[doodlinggirl]

WERD!!!!!!

i got there early and i was glad i did!!! had a blast going around taking pictures and seeing peeps i hadnt seen since my old raver days back in the mid-late 90's!!! it was awsome!!!

all the djs rawked and had the floor moving in both rooms!!! wish that it wasnt carpeted in the main room.....made dancin a little odd.....



Jesse.....you did well under the circumstances.....and it was nice to meet you!! definatly show us that portland does still actually have the people......we just need a place.....kudos!!!

DJ Undecided......tried to find ya after your set but things happened and i was unable to......sorry next time eh?

AJ.....thanks for coming out and mixing records for us till the wee hours!!!! you made the new year SUPER DUPER!!!!! :D :D ;) :D :D

to everyone i didnt get to see......sorry!

i will be posting the pics later.....gonna go back to sleep.....lol.....zzzzzzzz

[rayman]

Hell ya!
Thank you ILYA,Diotch,James,Nick,Randal you all rock thank you for all your good hard work!
Music was rock`n venue was decorated nice,,,
dude did you see those week ass lasers thay had at apocalypse??
check out those pictures on there review,,
I had a super duper nite ILYA next time it`s on me!
Good job Jesse it was NOT his fault the partay got shut down
that venue has super weak ass wiring some of the worst I have ever seen! A fire trap!

[spidah]

I think you did a good thing with the potential showing. People need to see that possibly, it might help lend people some faith so that they are more willing to toss into events and endeavors around here. People with the heart and the drive to go out there and do the damn thing is exactly what is needed, and so you Jesse are in and of yourself potential. Many props.

Now, I am not trying to be the bad guy here at all, but just wanted to point out this, in the interest of reppin' something right. I will always acknowledge that shit happens, but I wondered why you didn't talk to the venue about electrical and such? When checkin' out a new venue one of the first things that comes into consideration to me is if the building is wired for the kind of sound etc. you want to bring...you didn't notice the state of the wiring or inquire about it ahead of time? I've gone so far as to have someone spot me on that shit when there is doubt (an electrician friend!) because face it, promoters are not electricians...but I make sure I've covered that kind of stuff none-the-less...

I hope they were up to code? It sounds kind of like they were not? Actually, you make it sound like they were dishonest with you? Did you obtain permit for this event with the city etc.? Am I misunderstanding? So the venue itself was not up to code for an event like this and yet they still dealt with you? Did you ask about that and they were dishonest? Or was it that you didn't necessarily ask or check and nor did they freely provide the info? Did they know what kind of event you were proposing to use the venue for? I guess I still don't understand, but feel like you can't blame the venue for anything unless they were dishonest with you...

I think that you are on the right track maybe...these are just a few things that have provided positive learning experiences hopefully. Gotta cover all the bases, including the fact that unproven venue need extra attention possibly?

much love peace respect beats, ~d.

[DJ-cyanescence]

We did the best job we could with the space and time given, so not a loss but hopefully the birth of a new outlook on portland. an outlook that shows that the scene isnt dead and has potential and always will. So dont be pussys and wine and bitch about the party, be glad that someone in portland actually cared enough, to think of the people and throw a crackin party not for himself but for all of us in the northwest. How selfish can all of you haters be get a grip and realize what ur saying this is a comunity were supposed to work together, and only by working together can we build portland back up.

Thanks jesse for the time slot i had a great time.

1001 US. to the top

[spidah]

Originally posted by yoshimitsuspeed
I think your right for the most part but you have to understand why someone would be a little upset spending their new years cold in the street wiating two hours to get into a party before finding out it wouldn't happen. To add to my dissapointment this is the first party I have tried to make in about three years so I was pretty excited about it.
Hopefully every one can take these threads as constructive criticisim rather than the production team getting down about things or party kids making a bigger deal of it than it is.
I will be at the next one.
No hate here just a little dissapointment that's all.

from one of the other event review threads for this!

and my many props extended to the rest of the crew involved in putting time and energy into this, not just Jesse of course...

I think all good and bad should be heard so long as it's true and sincere...

much love party people, ~d.

[little terror]

-thanks to 1001 Untouchable Styles for supporting the music- (and hardcore!)

[StRaWbErRyKaNdY]

In my opinion evryone did a great job while it lasted. Big thanks to the staff and everyone who made this possible. Portland does have potential and the party scene is NOT dead (judging by are massive line outside the building) and if we decide to give this another try ill be happy to help out again as much as I possibley can

-Shelly

p.s. good job jessie

[hrdkorluvr]

Had a blast while it lasted. I think that you guys did a great job and what happened was out of anyone's hands.

Little terror!! Glad that I finally got to catch your set! You were great! Got to hear a couple of my favorite Hardcore songs! That made the party worth it!!

Wiggles...Had a great time dancing to your set as always!!

[sam-i-am262]

I'm just curious here........ did the party get shut down before or after midnight?

also, sorry to hear about the shutdown. that always sucks.

[little terror]

Originally posted by hrdkorluvr


Little terror!! Glad that I finally got to catch your set! You were great! Got to hear a couple of my favorite Hardcore songs! That made the party worth it!!



awesome, which ones were those? that was the first time that i played uk/happy hardcore in a while. i usually just play gabber. glad you liked it :)

[little terror]

Originally posted by sam-i-am262
I'm just curious here........ did the party get shut down before or after midnight?

also, sorry to hear about the shutdown. that always sucks.

after. at around 1.

[djowns]

I'm going down to the venue one last time to finish cleannig up. I'll take a picture of the electrical system the venue owners had installed. I think that will clear up exactly how it was out of our control.

[doodlinggirl]

after NYE i agree with jesse.....portland does actually have the POTENTIAL.......potential that i and many others thought wasnt there anymore. next time i hope that you actually have me help out jesse. thanks for a good time, while it lasted!!!!!

so my final say......

......THE PARTY WAS SO CRAZY THAT WE HAD TO LEAVE........

heres the pictures that i took from the very begining to the very end......and then some more at our little afterhours.....thanks a million ben and bryan!!!!!!!!!

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/doodlinggirl/album?.dir=c00c&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

enjoy everyone!!!!

sharon
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edited to fix link....sorry.....if it still doesnt work, it works on the other two reviews......lol.....

[spidah]

Originally posted by djowns
I'm going down to the venue one last time to finish cleannig up. I'll take a picture of the electrical system the venue owners had installed. I think that will clear up exactly how it was out of our control.

Look, I don't think you have to prove anything. It is accepted that there may have been many factors contributing to the outcome. The only thing that got me personally interested was the attitude of not willing to just be accountable for what most other promoters are accountable for, the attitude of "you owe us your time, we are trying to save the SCENE you hypocrits" etc etc.

I think it's fine that your first above ground had some flaws, it happens to all of us to one degree or another, it's all in how it's handled though that can determine the FINAL outcome. ie. does he finally understand and will such things be taken into consideration in the futuer, or is he going to backpedal, deny valid responsibilty and consequences, and blame everyone and their grandma's dog instead? I just want to see it repped right. No one is perfect.

[suppoz]

I wasn't there because I was in Boston. I probably wouldn't have gone because I am over 21 and would have been attending or performing at another event.

However, I am very interested in hearing about this event because I am always hopeful that people will be doing more to bring younger listeners into the scene and respectful of the efforts put forth by those promoters and those attendees.

My question to the promoter is why did you bill this event as the All Ages New Years Eve Party that would be the best thing happening in Portland that night and then not find a venue that had more than 200 capacity? Perhaps you didn't have faith in Portland's potential to turn out on one of the biggest party nights of the year (not only was it NYE, but it was a Friday night!). Or perhaps you had trouble booking a venue that was appropriately sized and located for a party that was advertised to go from 9p–7a.

I'm really not sure what the problem was, but it sounds like there were a number of people whose New Year's Eve was not very happy. As a promoter, you have to realize that people are going to bitch even if it was the best party ever with no hitches. It sounds like you threw a great party that only some were able to experience. That's too bad, but it's also great. Yin and Yang; ebb and flow.

It seems like the real problem was that your marketing efforts were unsuccessful. Or rather, your marketing efforts were TOO successful. If you had to turn away over 200 people, that means you oversold your product, which can make people feel cheated. If you were sure of your venue for as long as you say you were (since mid-November at least, right?), you should have known your approximate capacity since then. If it was really 200-300 capacity venue, you were promoting it wrong unless you didn't have faith in the Portland party scene to turn out and felt you needed the bigger talk to get the few remaining kids out of their shells.

Also, if you are promoting an event, you need to take responsibility for the entire scope of the event. If the DJ gets too drunk to play, you should have watched them better; if the venue has electrical problems, you should have had them checked out; if the tickets aren't presaled, you should have extra extra people at the door to make the line smoother (which will draw less attention on the street for police and fire marshalls who don't know about it beforehand). I'm not saying that those things happened, I'm just giving examples. Those things that went wrong may not be in your control, but you, as the promoter, need to step up and accept responsibility (at least in part) for them happening. It will help you in the long run and give people more respect for your efforts too.

Cyanescence, if you "did the best job we could with the space and time given", why had this party been promoted since early November? If that wasn't enough time to get this done right, how much time do you need?

And yes, I know what goes into this project and yes, these are things I'm saying with much experience not just off the cuff.

Best of luck to the 1001 US crew with your next party. Also best of luck with your marketing plans in the future.

Just some comments from the peanut gallery,
--s-tephen

[angelxface]

hey doodlinggirl, can u please fix the link it isn't working

[doodlinggirl]

sorry about that...i fixed it...it works for me......if it still doesnt work, try the other reviews for this party.....those links have worked fine so far!

[djowns]

Where does the 200 person capacity come from?????

Our capacity was not 200 people. It was presented as 450. I have a signed contract as well that clearly states, that TRIBE was presenting "A PUBLICALLY ACCESIBLE VENUE FOR A MUSICAL EVENT." Guess what? It wasn't "A PUBLICALLY ACCESIBLE VENUE FOR A MUSICAL EVENT" according to the fire marshall now was it! How the FUCK is that my fault?


So please, stop posting like you know, cause you don't! There were no permits for me to get! This space was presented, and legally SIGNED as a space capable of holding a publically accesible music event. They've been doing music events there for a few months now too!


There was nothing 1001US nor Froggystyle could have possibly known to do at that time. None of you promotional geniuses would have done any better. I've been at every show for the past three years and I know who's made money, lost it or not even had a show at all.

[KayaSativa]

So I just wanted to say that everyone did an awesome job putting that party together. It was an awesome party and the only thing that sucked about it was the stupid fire marshal being a dumb ass. Okay, so maybe the venue wasn't up to code but it was still an awesome venue, a lil small but it had potential as well. Plus, there were TONS and I mean TONS of people there, great music and for the most part everyone was happy and excited to be there. If it wouldn't have been shut down it would have been the best Portland party I have seen in quite some time. So I just want to say thank you to everyone that helped out with it. And to say Jesse and Amy, I love you guys and I'm sorry people are being dumb. So now that we know that the scene isn't dead..... lets try it again!!! I'm down to help a good cause and lets not forget.. our birthdays are coming up real soon!
Sorry it has taken me so long to post. I have just been enjoying the rain and flooding I have brought down to Phoenix with me!
~*Kaya*~

[Axx0]

Originally posted by djowns
So, despite that problem, what potential did do was bring out a shit load of people! We had both inside rooms packed, the parking lot, and than a line around the block. When was the last time that happened in portland? Not in a very long time..]

It happens whenever Britney Spears holds a concert. But at least there the people who come don't get their money taken from them and the show shut down.

Our capacity was not 200 people. It was presented as 450. I have a signed contract as well that clearly states, that TRIBE was presenting "A PUBLICALLY ACCESIBLE VENUE FOR A MUSICAL EVENT." Guess what? It wasn't "A PUBLICALLY ACCESIBLE VENUE FOR A MUSICAL EVENT" according to the fire marshall now was it! How the FUCK is that my fault?

Think of it as buying a car. You need to take it to a mechanic for inspection before purchase. You owe me $15 for your fucked-up version of optimism and concert organization. Don't ever give me a flyer again.

[doodlinggirl]

Originally posted by Axx0
Don't ever give me a flyer again.

for sure!!!! i think i can speak for many that we dont want your jaded negative vibe bringing any of us down at any parties anyways......there are enough peeps here in pdx that still believe in plur as ancient as it seems these days.......

[rayman]

whoa....
right on doodlinggirl !

[Ben Boudee]

Originally posted by doodlinggirl
for sure!!!! i think i can speak for many that we dont want your jaded negative vibe bringing any of us down at any parties anyways......there are enough peeps here in pdx that still believe in plur as ancient as it seems these days.......

Have you ever been to a party that got shut down early? you ever driven 4 hours to a show that didn't happen? Were you pissed? you dont want his jaded negative vibe bringing any of you down? Can you open your eyes and see his side? dont be mad at AxxO because he was let down!

Fuck off, Wheres your PLUR?
Dont hand me a flyer either

[doodlinggirl]

Originally posted by Ben Boudee
Have you ever been to a party that got shut down early? you ever driven 4 hours to a show that didn't happen? Were you pissed? you dont want his jaded negative vibe bringing any of you down? Can you open your eyes and see his side? dont be mad at AxxO because he was let down!

Fuck off, Wheres your PLUR?
Dont hand me a flyer either

yes i have been to a party that got shut down less than an hour after getting there.....ive even gone to a party that was shut down before we even got there.........yes i was pissed....but not at the promoters i was pissed at the circumstances!!!! we just changed our plans (nothing is concrete in theis scene.....look at acopolyspe) ive been behind the scenes, part of the planning/organizing of parties and sometimes *gasp* there are things that just happen.....things that get parties shut down.....

im NOT mad at AxxO....to be mad at him, that means that i would have to know him.....which i dont. and plus why would i be mad at him over this anyways???.......if anything i am fustrated with people assuming they know EXACTLY what went down. they dont!!! and jesse is NOT obligated to tell any of you what did go down. i think he did a great job and if it had gone off without a hitch it would have been the best party this city had seen in a VERY LLLLLLOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG time!!!

a "raver" needs to accept that cops fire inspecters, and shit in general happen. its part of the adventure....the allure of the scene for most........sometimes it goes well, and sometimes not. every party is a gamble. this isnt the first to be shut down and most certinally not the last.....

i stand by the saying made earlier.....THE PARTY WAS SO CRAZY THAT WE HAD TO LEAVE.........

[Kosmicdog]

Originally posted by djowns
I've been at every show for the past three years and I know who's made money, lost it or not even had a show at all.

thats awesome dude. Im glad to see there are still kids out there that realize its all about the money.



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[doodlinggirl]

unfortunatly thats when the scene changed.......when it became about the money........ :(

it needs to be about the music and the people......but times are achanging.....

[djowns]

Originally posted by Kosmicdog
thats awesome dude. Im glad to see there are still kids out there that realize its all about the money.



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When I say I know who's profieded I say I know of almost no parties in portland that have made even since I've moved here. Thats longer than 3/4 of the kids who showed up at my party have been raving! Fewer have broken even, and many more willingly lost their ass for the sake of giving people a good time! You know this as well as I do sondr.


How many parties have made moeny in the past 3 years? How many parties have even broken even? Say what you want but when you take a few MONTHS of your hard work and throw it at a party, you damn well want to see it back! We as promoters aren't in this to make money, and we sure aren't in it to lose money either, so don't give me that bullshit about "It's all about money" and "thats whats changed". Nothings changed! Venues aren't free. Sound euqiipment isn't free. Naha isn't free! Some one along the line wants money. THats how this world works. Nothing new! No huge surprises! Try telling the guy at the burrito stand he's not down for the cause.


If you don't like how it's being done, than please by all means you people need to put YOUR money where your mouth is. If It's not all about the money than throw a free party and piss it all away? Outdoors you say? Do you even know the legalities on those? It's held together by a loophole as thick as a shoe string and a lot of luck.







Support your local promoter, or they won't support you. You're lack of support has left you with promoters that won't support you. Doubt me? Look at the trends over the past few years. More and more people have left. Infact, we've been almost partyless for months now. There was the summer.. but wait! I threw shows all summer! Almost everyone who did shows over the summer was involved in this event. Last year? I was there too! The summer before that, yep I was there too...

Now? It's a select handful of people fighting with incredibly limited resources. If some one can do better, PLEASE step forward and show and prove. Otherwise, you'er just a hipcorit... and sondr as cool of a guy as you are, and as much of a history as you may have had, the time is now, and you're doing what exactly? Being a hipocrit.

[Ben Boudee]

Originally posted by doodlinggirl
i think he did a great job and if it had gone off without a hitch it would have been the best party this city had seen in a VERY LLLLLLOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG time!!!
Thats a bold statement!
why was this show so good? no headliners, only a few out of staters that people cant see every week in pdx. The only thing in this whole wide world that would have gotten me there would have been to see my friend mark from KES(owns your eyes).

Thats it, iam done!

[doodlinggirl]

Originally posted by Ben Boudee
Thats a bold statement!
why was this show so good? no headliners, only a few out of staters that people cant see every week in pdx. The only thing in this whole wide world that would have gotten me there would have been to see my friend mark from KES(owns your eyes).

Thats it, iam done!

it had good, no excuse me AWSOME!!! djs.....playing hardcore beats that pdx doesnt get see/hear very often....i luv the hard beats and unfortunatly pdx is mostly house, progressive house, breaks and trance......

kid kaboom doesnt come here that often......nor naha......nor any of the seattle djs that came down for this.....plus i rememebr when i was trying to organize some support for a party a while back, and people shot down the headliner idea......arguing that they didnt want to see any headliners that we got tereffic locals....blah blah blah....but this is a different discussiion not to be brought in here.....

the place was decked out to the gills.......the decorations were SPECTACTULAR!!!!!!! parties these days dont go all out as far as decorations go.....they did a good job!!!!

the lasers were awsome....the vibe was just over the top, GREAT!!!! this party had everything it needed cept the ability to continue........but we'll never know how it turns out cause we werent able to continue.....so this whole discussion is silly!!!!

[little terror]

Originally posted by Ben Boudee
Thats a bold statement!
why was this show so good? no headliners, only a few out of staters that people cant see every week in pdx. The only thing in this whole wide world that would have gotten me there would have been to see my friend mark from KES(owns your eyes).

Thats it, iam done!

giant headliners do not make a party. look at "apocalypse" in seattle that same night. that was a show with huge names that turned out to be a huge disaster. and if you read the thread it's the local djs who are getting all the props from partygoers and are credited for saving the night.

[vinyltap]

...if everyone who has all the answers wants a chance to "put us in our places", why don't we do something i ain't seen or heard of in ...whew a long time, SOUNDCLASH style. then you could really show us how it's done.(or maybe a breakdance battle).hahahahaaa!

[doodlinggirl]

cuz new ideas arent warmly accepted by the masses.....

[dialekt]

ravers don't know how to clash...proper yard style clashing is a foreign concept to most people outside Jamaica. but i guess your comment wasn't supposed to be taken seriously?

[vinyltap]

...if anyone is up for it, i would be down for something different. someone was doing small ones a few years ago in a basement on belmont(i think). they were small but they had alot of energy.

[suppoz]

Originally posted by djowns
Where does the 200 person capacity come from?????

Our capacity was not 200 people. It was presented as 450. I have a signed contract as well that clearly states, that TRIBE was presenting "A PUBLICALLY ACCESIBLE VENUE FOR A MUSICAL EVENT." Guess what? It wasn't "A PUBLICALLY ACCESIBLE VENUE FOR A MUSICAL EVENT" according to the fire marshall now was it! How the FUCK is that my fault?

Ooops, my bad. I read what everyone else had written and believed it. So I was wrong about the 200 capacity and it was really 450. It's not the number, it's the notion. The point is still that if you promoted this show in such a way that you had "a line around the block" that couldn't get in to the show; if you promoted this show down in Corvalis, Eugene, Salem, Vancouver, etc., your promoting was too successful. If this event was supposed to have us believe that "Portland has New Years Eve on lock down this year" and that we would see all 20 (20!?!) DJs listed, you gotta understand that you are going to need a bigger venue. Unless you really didn't think Portland would come out.

Either way, I'd rather have more people show up than less people. But sometimes more people that can't get in have their plans ruined and then they get upset. Sounds like you are saying "Too bad for them, they should have planned better." Not the friendliest attitude to take with your patrons...

ta,
--s-tephen

[djowns]

When was the last time a show in portland brought out more than 450 people? How often does it happen? With what kind of line up does it happen? I took that all into consideration, and I know the history of portland and I've never seen a show like this do so well. This event did far better than any of us could have predicted, espescially given the past trends.

That was my point though to some degree, I just didn't realize quite how big the degree was. No one else did either. Shit, no one even had a new years show planned this year in Portland! Thats a sign of the times amigo's!


I'm over it. There's no more discussion to be had here for me. I've got things to do, like find yet another venue,.

[ProblematicBeat]

Kaosmosis!

[electrokid]

Originally posted by djowns
When was the last time a show in portland brought out more than 450 people? How often does it happen? With what kind of line up does it happen? I took that all into consideration, and I know the history of portland and I've never seen a show like this do so well. This event did far better than any of us could have predicted, espescially given the past trends.

That was my point though to some degree, I just didn't realize quite how big the degree was. No one else did either. Shit, no one even had a new years show planned this year in Portland! Thats a sign of the times amigo's!


I'm over it. There's no more discussion to be had here for me. I've got things to do, like find yet another venue,.

parties that have 450 people are not uncommon in portland, never have been, and never will be. what you are failing to understand is that portland has ALWAYS has this little thing you are calling "potential". your three years here is certainly not long enough to really undestand this in my opinion.

the reason why you are seeing less parties is not because people don't want to attend. its because promoters like myself that have been doing it longer than you have probably been raving are tired of losing thousands of dollars. i've personally lost close to 10. i know others that have nearly doubled that.

it is time for the younger generation of ravers to dig into their pockets and start funding these things. i've been waiting for the last year but there have been very few attempts yet alot of complaining about a lack of parties. are these things supposed to just throw themselves?

its not a lack of venues people. its party kids not really paying attention to what other successful promoters were doing awhile ago to make it all work. there are a grip of warehouse spaces owned by private parties that need to pay their taxes in a really bad economy. its just a matter of obtaining insurance and getting one. i really don't think anyone is trying that hard. if promoters could do it here since the early 90's, you can do it now. not that much has changed. its just a matter of sealing up your game and presenting yourself like a professional. you can't expect to get a policy or a venue with your hat on crooked and the ass of your pants dragging below your knees!

jesse its great that you are attempting to do one off events outside of the cool school cafe and public land but it would probably be a good idea to take some advice from people that have been doing it a lot longer than you. you are here because others were here before you and laid the ground work. I personally told you to have the fire marshal walk through the venue. the last time I checked it was free to have him preview the safety of potential event locations. hell, its his job.

if the venue told you they were permitted for events, wouldn't it have been a smart thing to cover your ass by viewing their paperwork? did they even have a noise variance? this is why people are giving you shit.

i wouldn't let this event discourage you from producing future ones but i'd sure as hell be calling the fire marshal to apologize before you really fuck it up for everyone in this town. please tell him your story and make things right or else you are going to really have 450 angry ravers breathing down your neck!

my 2 cents. take it for what its worth.

[Kosmicdog]

Originally posted by doodlinggirl
i unfortunatly pdx is mostly house, progressive house, breaks and trance...

ummmm, ok.

Are you upset that there isnt enough jungle? because that is the only generic genre you didn't mention. "pdx" isn't mostly anything, and I can't even remember the last time I heard anyone play "progressive house". I dont even know what the fuck that is. Please tell me where I can hear that.

and sorry Jesse. I took a cheap shot taking your quote out of context. But calling me a hyporcite is ridiculous. I don't throw parties, never have never will. But thank you for trying.

[Kosmicdog]

Originally posted by electrokid
you can't expect to get a policy or a venue with your hat on crooked and the ass of your pants dragging below your knees!


BUAHAHAHAH!

[doodlinggirl]

progressive house........well the level plays it just about every time theres an expressions show.....which is about once a month......this is the first time someone has gone huh??? but who cares.....i like hard techno....the deep beats.....but not as fast as jungle......cuz i dont do drugs EVERY time i go out.......

[spidah]

Originally posted by doodlinggirl
progressive house........well the level plays it just about every time theres an expressions show.....which is about once a month......this is the first time someone has gone huh??? but who cares.....i like hard techno....the deep beats.....but not as fast as jungle......cuz i dont do drugs EVERY time i go out.......

WHAT? That is ridiculous...it doesn't take drugs to like jungle...

[doodlinggirl]

Originally posted by spidah
WHAT? That is ridiculous...it doesn't take drugs to like jungle...

no it doesnt.......but for me......(key word....ME) its different!!!!

im hard of hearing and i dance to the beats.......if im out drinkin or sober......and i take my aids out(i dance w/o my hearing aids) the super fast jungle beat just kind of blends together to a blended mess.......i dont expect you to understand.......you cant possibly understand because you have normal hearing......i however only have 20% of my hearing without my aids in......causing my sense of feeling to be my heightend sense....this is why i like hardcore beats........

but on fridays and saturdays in pdx......rarely is there ever any......this is why i play in seattle... :)

but to each their own........

[electrokid]

Originally posted by electrokid
you can't expect to get a policy or a venue with your hat on crooked and the ass of your pants dragging below your knees!

just a note...
this statement was not directed toward jesse. i've never seen the ass of his pants hang down that far ;)

it was written to support the idea that candy necklace slangin' glow stick gangsters will never be able to represent themselves or the scene in such a way that will ever provide a venue or an insurance policy for parties. i could be wrong.

[little terror]

yeah i think sondr got too excited there that that comment was for jesse :)

sondr: do you think you could get us a great space with your ass-less chaps?

[djowns]

Originally posted by little terror
yeah i think sondr got too excited there that that comment was for jesse :)

sondr: do you think you could get us a great space with your ass-less chaps?

Or perhaps his getup from that "pimp" picture, missing teeth included.

[djowns]

... and jed you and I both know the logisitcs of insurance. Infact, you even proposed a hussle to the insurance company for this! Also, a sound variance was not required as we kept our decibles below the legalt limit. I'm aware of the laws.



If it's not the lack of venues than find me one! Put your money where your mouth is. Some one find one. I bet you can'!. If you do find one, props. Next try and get them to let you snoop through ALL of their shit, go through ALL of their paperwork...


Sorry jed, I respect what you've done and others have, but nostalgia doesn't do shit for today. There have been under 20 events with 450+ person attendances in my 3 years here, and yes before than there was sucess, but there was also success all across the country! The games changed. The rave act exists. We're not so lucky these days anymore either... there is no more RJ warehouse (which saved 02-03's ass) and there is no more Cool School (which saved 03-04's ass).

So people can say what they want, but I'm waiting for some one to actually do something... I and the others left will put our money where our mouth is. The rest of you... thats left to be seen, but your action (or lack thereof) speaks plenty loud in the winter of 04-05

[electrokid]

Originally posted by djowns
... and jed you and I both know the logisitcs of insurance. Infact, you even proposed a hussle to the insurance company for this! Also, a sound variance was not required as we kept our decibles below the legalt limit. I'm aware of the laws.

If it's not the lack of venues than find me one! Put your money where your mouth is. Some one find one. I bet you can'!. If you do find one, props. Next try and get them to let you snoop through ALL of their shit, go through ALL of their paperwork...

Sorry jed, I respect what you've done and others have, but nostalgia doesn't do shit for today. There have been under 20 events with 450+ person attendances in my 3 years here, and yes before than there was sucess, but there was also success all across the country! The games changed. The rave act exists. We're not so lucky these days anymore either... there is no more RJ warehouse (which saved 02-03's ass) and there is no more Cool School (which saved 03-04's ass).

So people can say what they want, but I'm waiting for some one to actually do something... I and the others left will put our money where our mouth is. The rest of you... thats left to be seen, but your action (or lack thereof) speaks plenty loud in the winter of 04-05

yes i reallize we talked about insurance. i did not offer you any sort of "hustle" however. what i did offer was a possible plan in which to obtain a policy. i have no idea whether or not potential was insured. if not, perhaps you should just keep quiet about it at this point. no need to open any more cans of worms.

i'll stand by my statement that there are not a lack of venues in this city. there are a lack of motivated professional types that can pull off obtaining one however. big difference. we don't have to agree on this. all i know is that i continually see mom and pop warehouses that not only look legal but also look like they could use the money. not all parties have to be located in the center of the city ya know.

and no i will not put my money where my mouth is because it seems you missed the part of my post where i stated that i no longer feel obligated to lose any more of my personal funds for the sake of portland's rave scene. its not my job to find you or anyone else a venue either. i've done my time now i'm taking a slight rest. its up to the crop of party kids that we helped bring in to step up to the plate and make things happen. its a cycle and eventually myself or hyve will produce another event or series of events.

and by the way...

nostalgia actually does do shit for today as a matter of fact. promoters up until present have spent alot of time and energy making sure that the city was happy with their parties. as a result, relationships have been built with the fire marshal and sound variance officer.

the only other time i can remember a party getting shut down by a fire marshal was in 1996. you old schoolers correct me on this if needed. so putting this into perspective for the past nine years the city and party promoters have worked with each other without a hitch until December 31, 2004.

now with all of this in mind, do you really believe portland's promoter and partykid populous should just roll over and pretend this event didn't get shut down by a city official? how many times can this happen before the fire marshal consults the mayor and there are no more dance events in portland?

[djowns]

Thats a bit of an overreaction to how this all went down... espescially since your all wise all knowing self DJ'd at the venue the weekend prior. As for the insurance thing, that was 100% a hussle. It got insurance purely for the sake of making the venue happy. The insurance would be negligible (as I stated and you agreed) I will continue to pick up where others dropped off. I learned some from this event, but some of what you all ask for, ESPESCIALLY these days, is just silly. Until you've done it yourself you can't speak.

The game has drastically chaned. KIDS HAVE DIED AT RAVES! Getting a venue in a city where none exist with prior acceptance to raves is a fiasco and 3/4.

I'm aware of the permit deal. In this case it appeared resolved, and unfortunately I was wrong. I've got a contract however between myself and the venue, and they clearly stated they were to provide "A publically accessible venue for musical events". Guess what? They had no permits what so ever. In all rights I could sue their pants off for what the party cost me, what I paid out, and the lost profit due to people bieng unable to enter. However, I don't find it right to quash some one elses dream (having an art gallery and theatre) for this.



I don't ask anyone to roll over. I ask you all to stand up or shut up for what you speak and feel so strongly about.

[burnt]

Originally posted by djowns
The game has drastically changed. KIDS HAVE DIED AT RAVES! Getting a venue in a city where none exist with prior acceptance to raves is a fiasco and 3/4.

dude's got a point, Jed. it wasn't just that kids died, they were yuppies' kids, and plus, try as you might, they died in other cities too.

I mean, *you* go ask *your* old school friends....did they ever have to deal with a fucking Rave Act (and a Rave Act - friendly culture) in 1996?

it ain't fair to claim that you still own the pole-vaulting record at your high school, if pole-vaulting became illegal the year after you graduated and the criminal pole-vaulting n00bs aren't hitting your heights.

*sigh*

I remember trying to explain to my mom when I was a teenager that its different being a teenager now than it was when she was a teenager. and the other day, we're talking about how come I'm only working for a fucking temp agency as a top-notch hax0r when I used to make $50K as a top-notch hax0r, and I tried to tell her again that its way fucking different being a 30 year old American now, than it was for her. talking with someone "old school" can be just as frustrating sometimes. and just like there's always someone going faster in the fast lane of the freeway, there's always someone more "old school" than you.

***
man, Jesse, you got hustled. you paid big money for a venue that didn't honor their part of the bargain, took the money, and called the cops when they were ready to go to bed. you can't trust these fuckin fucks that these old school peeps made friends with.

cuz......like, I've worked for the gubmint, and know that the typical gubmint worker gots no loyalty. fire marshall was friends with old school kids for fun & profit. now he fucks em for a little extra gravy. fact.

look, I'm telling you, I got these yuppies figured out. I make less money, but I got so many more ends. I'll use the "h" word, next time you wanna throw something. I'll "hustle" and "hack" and "help" and make sure you don't sweat when the fire marshall shows up with an unreasonable request and lack of paperwork and/or articulation.

I'll create the lack of articulation with invasive questions. I'm the kind of guy that makes motherfuckers worry about what they have to lose when people say, "what do you got to lose?" =)

Jed, you inspired me more than any sick set you ever threw. fuckin werd. I'm gonna try & be that guy, that recruit who wuz recruited by old school to step up. mebbe fix some shit. word. I'm fucking tired of the same house DJs anyway....chakras and mayan calendars and other whatever bullshit was getting boring, who's down for some hip hop and D&B parties? like, as in serious hip hop parties, with roving and un-checked open mics, like they had in '82? man, that shit was old school, DJs these days don't even use the mic input anymore......

Jesse, you got hustled by a handful of yuppies. I got these yuppies figured out. next party's gonna be off the hook, and we'll all watch the sunrise without sweatin any drama.


and I'm gonna start calling pussy "hot burgers". its all love. let's do this.

[spidah]

Originally posted by djowns
"A publically accessible venue for musical events".

...the context this is used in could change it...but that phrase does not mean to me... "a publically ACCESSIBLE venue for musical events which we will also maintain permits for" To me it just means the venue is accessible to the public. Do they function without permits all the time? Are they still operating? Depending on the type of business it is normally doing, they could have permits for their own ongoing business but if you book it for a special event you may still need additional permit/s...

contracts...lot's of them...bleh...

[spidah]

I see...an art gallery and theatre...there is your problem...to do an event like you did there, I would expect there to be additional things required. the promoter would customarily obtain all the additional permits in a case like that. I am keeping in mind that this is all just the limited info available here to me so I'm not making judgements...I don't know what you guys said to each other, or what is in the rest of the agreement, but it would be customary is all. I would have asked for copies of their permits. They shouldn't have been offended by that...they would expect a good promoter to want to have all that on hand, especially for the night of.

[djowns]

Originally posted by spidah
I see...an art gallery and theatre...there is your problem...to do an event like you did there, I would expect there to be additional things required.


But it was used BEFORE this! I've done a show here before, and other people have done shows (psytrance, jazz etc). I'm amazed they made it this far on the falacy of their being permitted.

I've kicked this dead horse enough, anyone who wishes to keep kickingk, it's all yours.

[BobbyFever]

Drum N Bass will rock your fucking world! Ya dun know. You gotta be on drugs.

[bluesubmarine]

You guyz, please stop to compare between Progressive and D&B. Thay are a totally different genre, but also they are same electronica. Some people like Prog, some people like D&B. That's as same as people like Pop or Rock or Country or etc. But the one thing I can say that they are music, and it's all about love MUSIC. Don't you think so?

[electrokid]

Originally posted by djowns
Thats a bit of an overreaction to how this all went down... espescially since your all wise all knowing self DJ'd at the venue the weekend prior.

i was just trying to offer insight based on past experience and information passed on to me from promoters that started this shit here. your statement make you sound like a prick.

yes, i dj'd at the venue and thanks for having me play. that was kind of you. at that time i figured it would be a great place to throw a party. i was a little confused why you stated that it was a "trial run" though. care to clarify on that one?

there have been other venues alllocated after these deaths. sorry but i'm not buying it. you can have your opinion and i'll have mine. whatever.

[djowns]

Originally posted by electrokid
yes, i dj'd at the venue and thanks for having me play. that was kind of you. at that time i figured it would be a great place to throw a party. i was a little confused why you stated that it was a "trial run" though. care to clarify on that one?


I called it a trial run, because the venue owner had never dealt with "raves" before. Psytrance yes, but an all ages party... no... Hence I wanted to warm him up with a very small show. It also was to see how different elements worked and how we would work with them better next time.

It's a nice venue for smaller shows... but who knows if it will become usable again anytime soon.

[electrokid]

good idea.

[ProblematicBeat]

Jesse, a bit of constructive advice. No matter what the venue owner tells you set up an appointment for a walkthrough with the fire marshall the day of the event and determine all possible issues. Also go get permits whether or not the venue holds permits. It covers your ass if theirs do not specifically cover what you are doing.

As for my one word post earlier. There have been many Kaosmosis events that have been all ages and have attracted well over 450 people and they have been very successful. Just because events are not listed on NWTekno does not mean they are not part of our scene. I would reccommend contacting someone from Kaosmosis to maybe get advice in their success.

I would rather see no event on NYE rather than one that paints a poor picture of our scene here in Portland.

I definitely agree with Jed when he states that there are many venues to be had in Portland. Dig out a suit and start setting up meetings. Not all warehouses are owned by right wing conservatives. If you throw legit events fully permitted than you should be able to find a venue. No one will tell you it is easy but does that mean we should all give up? I personally know of a few venues that would be willing to host all events but with the attitudes shown on this thread I really do not want to share such resources.

Jason

[electrokid]

word

[djsence]

Originally posted by doodlinggirl
but who cares.....i like hard techno....the deep beats.....but not as fast as jungle......cuz i dont do drugs EVERY time i go out.......

ummm...yes you do. I like jungle so does my cousin and man y others I know, we have a great time with out drugs and are able to keep up with the bpm.

[doodlinggirl]

Originally posted by djsence
ummm...yes you do. I like jungle so does my cousin and man y others I know, we have a great time with out drugs and are able to keep up with the bpm.

ummmm no i dont lance.......only in seattle do i do this........and NYE.....here i drink and smoke thats it!!!!

to each their own......im just not a fan of it if im sober! all im saying!!!! im not saying that everyone is EXACTLY like me!!!!!!

[theperfectcyn]

Originally posted by djowns
there is no more Cool School (which saved 03-04's ass).




just my humble opinion, but rather than saving the year's ass i feel (opinon!) TCS really just lowered the standard to where anyone & their dog can now go out & throw a party... jesse, it's not a shot at you or your efforts... i just feel if our community had the feeling as though we were without a venue or at least without a "no-brainer" venue much sooner (a year ago, in a cool-school-less world) ... the lessons learned this NYE may have been learned earlier, by different people but observed by everyone, and put people into action sooner, and so on...

don't forget.... it's winter. sometimes ya just buckle down & hibernate a little 'cause the fields open up in the warmer months :)

[JERSEY]

I LOVE YOU :confused: :( :rolleyes: :) :cool: :p :D