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DnBassics
03-09-2006, 10:19 AM
Found this article on MSN today. Finally, nutritional guidelines that fit my lifestyle already. They should probably edit it to say drink CRAFT beer, since it has more thiamin, niacin and other goody vitamins and minerals than the "macro" brews like Bud, Miller, or icky Coors.



Nutrition experts stir controversy with new beverage guidelines


Some prominent nutrition experts put out new guidelines Wednesday urging Americans to cut back on calorie-rich sodas while allowing more leeway for alcohol and lots of room for tea and coffee -- up to 40 ounces a day.

That's more than three tall cups at Starbucks, although that might bust suggested limits on caffeine.

They also allow men three times as much beer as sugary soda.

The report was paid for by the corporate parent of Lipton Tea, which is now using the scientists' advice to advertise tea's benefits.

The nutritionists say they didn't know the extent of Lipton's marketing campaign, and the company didn't play a role in the recommendations, which generally urge people to drink more water.

But beverage industry spokesmen and other nutritionists found fault with several of the guidelines. For example, whole milk is out, but moderate alcohol is OK.

In fact, the scientists say men can drink as much as 24 ounces of beer a day -- more than the 16 ounces of low-fat milk or soy drinks they suggest, and three times their recommended limit for fruit juice.

The beverage industry also seized on the accompanying marketing campaign by Lipton, a part of Unilever Health Institute, which gave about $40,000 to finance the report. The company plans full-page ads in USA Today featuring the guidelines with a coupon for $2 off tea.

Among the scientists who wrote the guidelines is Dr. Walter Willett, chairman of nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health and a widely quoted expert on numerous nutritional topics. He said he was unaware of the details of the marketing effort and wished it had not included such blatant promotion.

"This was sort of a new experience," he said of working with a private sponsor, whose $4,000 share of the fees he turned over to charity. Willett said the company had no role in what the scientists recommended.

"This was done with complete freedom to come to whatever conclusions we came to," he said.

The guidelines were published Wednesday in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. In general, they urge Americans to drink water and limit both sugar-sweetened and naturally sweetened drinks. Unsweetened tea and coffee are seen as acceptable substitutes for water.

Americans should limit beverages to 10 percent to 14 percent of their total calories -- half what they comprise now, the group advised.

The panel of six scientists was assembled by Barry Popkin at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, a longtime advocate of curbs on soda. He said he did so because federal dietary guidelines, including the food pyramid, focus on food and miss a significant contributor of calories.

One of every five calories in the average American's diet is liquid, something that doesn't produce the sense of fullness that food does. The portion of daily calories coming from sugar-sweetened drinks has roughly doubled over two decades, contributing to the nation's obesity problem, the report contends.

"We were quite dissatisfied" that federal guidelines and other advice focus on foods and general topics like dairy products, but don't spell out how much people should consume of each type of beverage, Popkin said.

In their guidelines, the nutritionists recommend 20 to 50 ounces of water a day. If other beverages are preferred, they recommend these daily limits for adults:

* Unsweetened tea or coffee, up to 40 ounces.
* Low-fat or skim milk and soy beverages, up to 16 ounces.
* Diet soda and other non-caloric sweet drinks, up to 32 ounces.
* Beverages with some nutrients, such as juice, up to 8 ounces.
* Alcoholic beverages, one drink a day for women and two for men. A drink equals 12 ounces of beer, 5 ounces of wine, 1.5 ounces spirits.
* Sugar-sweetened drinks like soda, no more than 8 ounces. (Standard soft drink cans are 12 ounces.)

Gucci Smoochies
03-09-2006, 10:39 AM
I read this and I think the "guidelines" are rubbish. Everyone's body is different, therefore the guidelines don't pertain or apply to everyone out there.

Some people cannot drink two beers a day and be healthy while others can. I think people need to figure out what works best for them and stick with it.

I have been told for years eat eggs, don't eat eggs, eat eggs, don't eat eggs but regardless, I have for years and will continue to regardless of what the FDA and diet people tell me. Same as whole milk. Yes it has more fat but it's good fat for your body, same a avocados and olive oil. Your body needs fats like this and in cheese to help keep healthy skin and such.

Blah. I'll stick to drinking tea, excercise, and limiting my consumption of sugars, salt, and processed foods. That's the more practical way of going about it vs. what some guideline suggest. Don't even get me started on that pathetic excuse of a weight chart. Me and my MD think it's a bunch of bologne. As long as you are healthy and take care of yourself, it shouldn't matter how much you weigh just so long as you keep yourself fit and watch your health.

/end rant.

Roddimus
03-09-2006, 10:49 AM
Milk is actually horrible for you.
You body isn't designed to process it after 2 years of age, and recent studies have suggested it actually reduces calcium in your bones, rather than adding to it. Plus, there have also been links between people who injest large amounts of milk and breast cancer.
Also, it just tastes gross.

Gucci Smoochies
03-09-2006, 11:11 AM
*shrugs*

I love milk. I drink it all the time and I've never had a problem with dairy products, but I also add a lot of soy to my diet as well.

In my eyes, people have been using milk for centuries. I personally think people need to have it unpastuerized since most of the nutrients and good bacteria like acidophilius lie in unpasteurized dairy products. The europeans and country folk have been enjoying it for centuries and no one has fallen down dead because of it.

DnBassics
03-09-2006, 11:50 AM
yogurt is actually the best calcium source out of all "calcium-rich" foods. Whole milk does NOT have the healthy fats. Cold water fish, flax seed, nuts, legumes,and yes, certain oils do.

People have also been drinking beer for thousands of years, for better or for worst. Recent studies also suggest that moderate alcohol consumption reduces the risk of Alzheimers and other related dementias, especially fronto-temporal.

Cheers!


*edited to say: Phe you're right though. You've got to consume what you're body can handle. If you hate alcohol, don't drink it!

IrisSilverMoon
03-09-2006, 01:58 PM
I don't understand the whole reccomending alcohol thing. in the long term its bad for you to drink so much. You can probably get the nutrients/benefits it provides elsewhere without having to deal with the reprecussions of the alcohol.

Milk is actually horrible for you.
You body isn't designed to process it after 2 years of age, and recent studies have suggested it actually reduces calcium in your bones, rather than adding to it. Plus, there have also been links between people who injest large amounts of milk and breast cancer.


my day has come!!!!1 i have hated milk ever since i was a young child...haha. I like it fine in my latte, and i like dairly products, but milk itself...gross...I actually like soy milk better.

Cethe
03-09-2006, 02:52 PM
i think yu're all missing the point



MORE BEER!!!

it's good for you!!

YESSS!!!

Nukegrrrl
03-09-2006, 02:53 PM
It's an interesting study, but the fact that it's a marketing ploy for Lipton negates its value in my eyes.

Cethe
03-09-2006, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by Nukegrrrl
It's an interesting study, but the fact that it's a marketing ploy for Lipton negates its value in my eyes.

of course it';s madd biased


but their results were perfect

MORE BEER!!!!

DnBassics
03-09-2006, 04:14 PM
not more beer, MODERATE beer!

dislocatedlogic
03-09-2006, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by IrisSilverMoon
my day has come!!!!1 i have hated milk ever since i was a young child...haha. I like it fine in my latte, and i like dairly products, but milk itself...gross...I actually like soy milk better.

Soy chai lattes?
The best.

PS: FUCK milk!
I'll eat broccoli.

JiveTurkeyMoFo
03-09-2006, 04:55 PM
Soy milk rules! Gave up soda and milk a long time ago and haven't looked back. Eat organic too.

DnBassics
03-09-2006, 04:58 PM
word. Trader Joe's is your friend.

Committed Prod.
03-09-2006, 11:45 PM
http://www.cyberarmy.net/files/fun/Beer,%20All%20a%20Man%20needs....jpg

Car2n
03-11-2006, 11:29 AM
sometimes I want to post where everybody knows my name.